Dieselgate

>>17598172
fucking kek

>>17598164
Well im gonna hold onto my 1.8t 2004 jetta shitbox in this case.

I either get a beater or a paycheck if it runs deep enough.

>>17598164
Nothing new there, GM, Ford and Jeep have also been caught cheating. VW turns out to be the cleanest brand, but they have the most money making them the prime target in the US/EU financial cold war.

>>17598172
lel, funniest thing is I also made the uma delicia thread about the crap that some brands sell in South America, notably VW and Renault. Best one is PSA by far but FCA isn't too bad.

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>>17598172

>>17598164
Surprised? VW would never be innovative, even in illegal tech. If VW did it, others did it better.

>>17598449
/thread

>>17598164
at least its low co2 right ?

>>17598575
Low CO2, high NOx.
Why murriclaps care about NOx is beyond me, since CO2 is what really fucks up the planet.

When literally everyone has to cheat your emissions testing, maybe the problem isn't the cars, but how strict you are.

>>17599009
so just lower the limits then.

>>17599019
>muh lung diseases
>muh global warming

>>17598993
NOx breaks down ozone. It's also a major component of smog, it's responsible for the brown colour of smog which renders the skies of Southern California so attractive.

>>17598164
How does this effect me as a consumer?
protip: it doesn't

the cartel stuff has absolutely nothing to do with emissions. VW, MB and BMW use three completely different technologies anyway.

also
>dieselfiat too stupid to understand the relation between co2 and nox

>>17599025
>muh mpg
>muh blue piss water

I drive a hybrid, thank me for caring about your lungs

>>17599040
How about you just fuck off? Your car probably pollutes way more than mine.

>>17599073
how about you read a book or GTFO of this board you braindead moor.

>>17599077
>says the amerimutt

>>17599056

You're a cunt

Everybody does it

I worked on the engineering team that developed "exhaust intakes" to fuck with the exhaust sensors

>just mix exhaust gas with fresh air

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>>17599025
>>17599052
this lol, regulations are so strict they do nothing to improve those problems because manufacturers go around them anyways
regulations are a spook

>>17599224
>things that never happened

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>>17598993
>yuropoors are willingly gassing themselves

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>>17602346
>not posting the original and spicier version

>>17599815
The biggest spook of all is spooks being a real thing and not just a /lit/ meme.

>>17598164

>Doesn't understand that just about every major manufacturer cheats emissions

When will people admit that cars aren't the problem, it's overpopulation.

>>17602627
ugh.... spook means nigger eurofag

>>17599029
fuck off. its not poisonous.

>>17602627
The who point of spooks is that they aren't a real thing, hence why they're spooks.

>>17602702
There's Stirner in the post I replied to.
>>17602755
>I don't like it=it's a spook
Everything is a spook for you retards.

>>17602627
>implying I wasn't ironically memeing
if anything is a spook it's regulations that aren't effectively enforced tho

>>17602772
>I don't like it=it's a spook
that's not how it works even if the idea of spooks is retarded anon :^)
I agree that Stirner was a hack, but Stirner memes are just too funny to refrain from posting them. Also it's enjoyable how assblasted he made Marx lol.

>>17598274
This so much. Normies eat up the news but this is closer to the truth.

>Tfw you really wanted a TDI and still do because Golf a best but gas engine a shit

>>17599029
Moron

>>17599077
I suggest you follow your own advice man

>>17599056
Fuck you

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>>17598172

>>17598164
Krauts and corruption go hand in hand

>>17602404
Germany strikes again

>>17602404
but VAG has literally become the kikes

So, how will this effect prices?

>>17605955
>effect
you mean affect

>>17599025
>muh tractor noises

>>17605955
>he believes this

M8, when the dieselgate shit happened VAG managed to increase the sales while the lobotomized fanbase/customers reacted the same way as the Tesla fanbase did: IT'S FAKE NEWS!!1!one!11!

In my country VAG group is so marketed on public/private tv, magazines (every car magazines is basically printed on VAG spots and bought "reviews") and so on...people keep buying them and the worst thing is that once you find them on the road they're so aggressive and drive like criminals because they think they have a god machine under their asses so they're better and manlier than every other car and people inside...and this is also the reason why these pieces of shit are the ones flashing and tailgating you on every kind of road.

German cars should be banned with every person responsible for the whole worldwide car market corruption gassed.

>>17606825
what's your country? Because here in Spain people were furious about having their engines drop a lot in horsepower with the repros to meet standards.

>>17606913
Italy.

Not a single fuck here complained about power loss, not a single one of them asked himself how's possible to fix an Euro 0 engine with 2 lines of code and why VAG didn't do it instead of starting the dieselgate scandal.

There was a time when Italy was the country of cars and engines...those were good times...

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>>17606934
well, it's kinda coming back tbqh

>>17606956
Not if you look at the laws and regulations.
Granted it's not as bad as some other countries, but Italy has fallen a long way down.

>>17606956
If you only could see all the hate and bullshit puked on that car, from Italian citizens (the ones who at least should be patriots enough to defend a real Alfa Romeo since a long time)...mostly because said corrupted medias and automotive (((journalists))) here are sold to german cars and even if they can't lie about the Giulia (it has indeed high ratings and "stars" in their reviews) they still manage to write well clear that this car is inferior to the German rivals, even if when you look at the figures they measured the Giulia is faster/better without doubt.

It's pure cancer, like the european engine of the year where the Giulia 2.9 V6 didn't win in its own category...they rated it 3rd behind the Porsche 6 cylinders that is worse in every aspect.

I feel like I'll shortly give up being a car enthusiast, there's no reason to poisoning my blood day after day.

>>17606974
Is that you italybro, the guy who made numerous OCs?
I saw an article in the Spanish AutoBild the other day, Q7 vs Volvo XC90. They basically pretended they were equals although it's obvious to anyone that the XC90 is superior, and they even kind of admit it, but wording it in a way that avoids making the Q7 look bad. Auto journalism is a joke.

>>17606974
the Giulia is not that great. Just because it's the first good Alfa since the last 30 years doesn't instantly make it better than the competition.
The car was very rushed - it was built from scratch in mere 1.5 years, there was not enough time to refine it completely.

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>>17607039
>doesn't instantly make it better than the competition.
Nope, beating everyone else is what makes it better than the competition

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>>17599815
spooooooky spooks spooking spooks

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>>17607038
Yeah, it's me.

>AutoBild
>German presse

That's the main problem, if they're not paid by german marketing they're all german owned magazines.

The Spanish edition is called AutoBild which is recognizable at first sight, but when you change country and go to, let's say, the UK...Auto Express is your source of german paid reviews.

A classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgO0ir7DPLc

Notice how they did the impossible to let the Alfa lose the race (take a look at the fuel gauges) and how they managed to edit the video to fuck up with the times...also the 4C was not in Race mode (like they also do with the Giulia Quadrifoglio lapping it in Dynamic mode which doesn't unleash the engine's full potential).

>>17607039
>there was not enough time to refine it completely
Then either FCA's engineers truly are the greatest on the planet or Germany's are utterly incompetent, because the Giulia beats all of its competitors in every single way.

>>17607039
>is not that great
>still manages to blow its established competition
Really makes you think.

>>17607039
While I agree with you that the car is not perfect and better in every aspect, I can safely say that the Giulia beats every German cars in many things they're good at, depending on the brand:

>in being comfortable (the Giulia, even the Quadrifoglio, has been rated as the most comfortable with the more refined suspension setup)

>in being fun and precise to drive (nothing to say: perfect steering and overall setup, also the lightest apart from the Quadrifoglio model)

It's not the most luxurious but it has been said that quality wise is better than a 3 Series, so it's a premium car and no one can say the opposite.

I drove the car and I can confirm everything, here where I live (Milano) day after day we can see a lot of new Giulia, however I know that the interior could use some more attention do detail.

The Stelvio from this point of view fixed what I didn't like in the Giulia cabin, and I'm 100% sure that when it's restyling time for the Giulia it'll receive all these fixes plus electrical and technological goodies such as LED headlights.

To me, my personal opinion, the car is good and I drive an F-Sport Lexus IS 300h, so I'm familiar with the market in this segment.

>>17602745
CO2 isn't poisonous. Infact you release every breathe you take.
There is literally nothing wrong with CO2, it's heavier than air, and it's what plants crave.
NO is most definitely not what anything living craves, is lighter than air, and is destroys O3, which is important to our atmosphere.

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>>17598164

Not wanting to talk it right but emission test spoofing has been practiced for decades both for gasoline and diesel from all car manufacturers. They just have been lobbying and paying too much so politicians in both the EU and US didnt feel a need to pick up the issue.

And now after the financial crises, and the America 1st fire that has been burning long before Donald made it into another Trump brand. It became sexy in the US public eye to go hardball vs big foreign corporations first some banks now car manufacturers while at the same time handling US corporation with a kid glove when scandals treaten to arise. With the EU getting disgruntled they are starting to do the same with US corporations (like Google at the moment). Trowing shit over the Atlantic monkey fence.

Although i literally just skipped another lease VW because of the scandal, i know its a political populist (borderline) corporate corruption thing that has been going on. And i know the Volvo that I drive now is way more polluting compared to the stats in the user manual.

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>>17607078
From the Volvo group lel

>>17598993
Oh look, another fucking moron who knows absolutely nothing about air pollution.

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>>17607155
kek

>>17607049
>>17607080
>>17607125
I've driven the Giulia Q, C63, M4.
The interior is definitely lacking, it's notably worse than Audi, BMW and Benz in terms of fit and finish.
Ride quality is pretty good, not as good as the C63 but softer than the M3.
In terms of fun - the Giulias differential is not set up for drifts and burnouts so if you're looking for a proper hoon mobile you should get the M3.
Also the M3 with Competition Pack appears to be faster on every track comparison. The Giulia does beat the base M3 on track though.

>>17607180
and even though i've only driven the M4 the M4 is identical to the M3 so there's no difference in terms of quality and handling

>>17607125
>The Stelvio from this point of view fixed what I didn't like in the Giulia cabin
aren't they the same inside?

>>17607180
>Also the M3 with Competition Pack appears to be faster on every track comparison. The Giulia does beat the base M3 on track though.
umm, sweetie, the Giulia was faster on the same day on the same track as tested by Motor Trend

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>>17607180
They're similar but there are some differences, especially in plastics and some little trim.

Things that you won't notice with photos.

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Is the "my name is Giovanni Giorgio, but everyone calls me Giogio" platform the greatest breakthrough in the recent history of automotive engineering?

>>17607214
Take note VAGcucks, this is how you do an interior.

>>17607191
look up Motor Trends ignition, it was slower than the M3 CP
>>17607214
the interior is definitely good looking (besides the dildo shifter)
i only wish the interior build quality was at least on par with the 3 series or A4

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>>17607214
Oh I see the screen changed for example

>>17607227
>look up Motor Trends ignition, it was slower than the M3 CP
Driver fault
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0wg4CdATJk
9:32. Braking too much and taking the curve too tight, that's what put the Giulia in second place. It was first for almost the whole lap.

>>17607250
maybe it was drivers fault in the M3 in the first MT review too?
Anyway I can find at least 7 track comparisons where the M3 CP wins over the Giulia and maybe 3 reviews where the Giulia wins, and i've seen literally every review in every language you can find on the net lol.

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Well, I don't understand how many people say that this car is ugly...

My dick definitely wants to see the video too.

>>17607261
>Anyway I can find at least 7 track comparisons where the M3 CP wins over the Giulia
with video? same conditions?

>>17607283
videos and magazines. same day same driver same track.
if you want i'll look them up

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>>17607250
>infotainment system copied from bmw

WHAT?? They're both produced by Magneti Marelli, which is FCA itself...

>Gauges rip off from Audi

See pic related (8C)

Sorry guys but it's when I hear these kind of bullshits that I automatically don't trust the review and the lap time...

>>17607305
that's pretty stupid though because Motor Trend is one of the reviewers who actually love the Giulia and prefer it over the Germans.
It's just dumb to ignore all the Alfas faults and problems, no car is perfect.

>>17607331
>no car is perfect
The Giulia comes damn close.

>>17607335
it's actually the stereotypical "imperfect" italian car lol.

>>17607331
I'm not saying that I'm ignoring that specific review, because I watched all the video and they talk absolutely well about the car, they're implying that the Giulia is a better car than the M3 CP (apart from the lap times), but if you like the car and are an objective journalist you can't get away with saying bullshit like "Alfa copied from Bmw etc..".

Remember that me and you are car enthusiasts and are informed about the industry, but the rest of the people who hear that things process the information in a different way, especially the haters/memesters and idiots.

Take a look at the keywords in that review, for a moment:

"The gauges are an Audi rip-off" , "The infotainment is copied from Bmw" , "There's no shame in copying from the best".

>copying from the best
>German cars are the best possible
>Let's ignore the fact that "the best" is produced by Alfa Romeo as part of Fiat and FCA, since the infotainment comes from the Italian Magneti Marelli and the so called Audi rip-off gauges has already been seen in the 8C

People will think that no matter how hard other brands try, German cars reign supreme and other products are copycats.

>>17607377

That's not different from what happens with Apple products, since every phone coming out is according to (((journalists))) an iPhone copy, even in design.

Why buying the copy (even if it's better) when I can buy the original and be an alpha male?

>>17606966
>Not if you look at the laws and regulations.

It's EU,
fuck EU,
this house of cards need to crumble fast,
if they get their EU army shit might be bad

>>17607377
>>17607383
plus the Giulia has actual gauges instead of the meme screen on the Audis so it's even more retarded to say "Audi copy"

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>>17607482
>Alfa Romeo 159
>copied from Audi

>>17606956
God that front grill is so retarded.

>>17607562
fucking kek

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>>17598172

So does any VW diesel shit out as much particles or trash as the average US pickup car?

I bet the VW with the worst emissions still is cleaner than the average american lard carrier.

>>17610614
>So does any VW diesel shit out as much particles or trash as the average US pickup car?

No, even the worst is still better than the Focus or Fusion never mind the pickups.

>>17610621
So what should be done is that EU investigate on every american car brand and put them in 169 years of prison like they are trying to do to the old VW CEO, because we all know every single fucking one puts out false emmision tests.

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>>17610614
>>17610621
>>17610657
found the VAG fangirl. Also stop samefagging, it's too obvious by now.

You're mixing things up. This has little to do with emissions and is about price agreements.

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>>17607305
It's pretty retarded from them to say anything about the gauge cluster.
Those "binocular" gauges were always an Alfa tradition. Hell, even Fiats have them.

>>17598164
Can VW just fall over and die already

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>own almost almost double as many cars as Europeans
>burn almost double as much fuel as the average car in Europe
>drive double as far a year as Europeans
>emissions testing non-existent for half the population, ineffective and easily bypassed for the other half
>higher pollution levels than Europe despite far lower population density
>THOSE EVIL EUROPEANS

>>17611094
Murricans love to fuck with non-domestic brands.
Here's a hint: you don't hear shit about FCA because guess what? They own Chrysler and Dodge.
There were rumours of cheating on the bigger Multijet engines, too.

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Meanwhile in Murica

>>17599029
Other way around you tard, NOx breaks down INTO ozone
NOx also breaks down into nitric acid, makes some acid rain, gets into the ground water, and turns into nitrates for plants to use as fertilizer

>>17599077
>AdBlue Merc
No it doesn't

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>rolls coal
>complains about 1.2 liter 3 cylinder Polo's emissions
Nuke yourself America, make the world a better place.

>>17599078

>fiat

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>>17610725

>It is ok when Murrica does it.

Pathetic

>>17610799
It has everything to do with corruption tho

>>17611178
Coal rolling is an illegal modification you fucktard

Things are getting spicier, seems like Daimler is going to snitch:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-emissions-daimler-bmw-idUSKBN1AA2GI

>>17612162
You're comparing trucks to cars, to begin with. Prove there's anything wrong with the Fusion or Focus or fuck off.

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>>17612176
This, I don't see Ford reprogramming their customers' cars "for free" while cucking them out of the power rating they paid for because it's impossible to achieve without cheating emissions tests. VAG fangirls should really stop defending the indefensible.

>>17612168
not in the land of freedom :^)

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>>17612162
>Ford
>Bailout

>>17599025
>muh 1.2 diesel FIAT

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>>17611328
>>17612375
mjet BTFO! how will he ever recover from this?

>>17610725
>>17612186
>literal VAG fangirls
kek, I'm loving this meme

VW Group selling Ducati because of this bullshit.

>>17614658
yeah? Source? Is it to pay the fines?
I hope Ducati becomes Italian again

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>>17614658

It turned out to be false.

>>17614791
is that a literal fake news site?

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>>17612221

>not research and confirm


https://www.cars.com/articles/2010/12/report-ford-took-federal-funds-too/

>>17614797

>VW Boss confirmed
>muh fake news


then what about this?

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20170502/BLOG15/170509958/vw-has-no-compelling-reason-to-sell-ducati

>>17614809
>>VW Boss confirmed
>>muh fake news

>no link to the source
>no visible name of the source

>>17614801
>credit
>the same as a bailout

>>17614831

>not reading the article

>>17614824

>no link to the source
>no visible name of the source

Other news about Ducati Sale keeps saying it is rumor meanwhile VW Boss dismissed it last 2 months.

Do you have the source confirming the whole Ducati sale story, not rumor?

>>17614831

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/08/29/automakers-report-card-who-still-owes-taxpayers-money-the-answer-might-surprise-you/#19d12a6f6735

>>17614862
I don't, it's just that I don't trust texts with no name attached to them. Could well be an article from The Onion or something like that, it's hard to tell truth from parody on the internet these days.

>>17614868
Meanwhile GM and Chrysler didn't have to pay their bailouts because they were bailouts as opposed to loans.

>>17614910

Ford has gotten a free pass and earned market shares for being the only US automaker that “didn’t take bailout money,” when they did in fact, take government loans with the condition of making cars that the government wanted. Which company was truly “Government Motors” in the real behind the scenes scenario? That would be Ford, of course.

>>17615149
The key difference you're willingly ignoring is that loans need to be paid back

>>17598164
Fucking kek. The Germans are finished

>>17615179
Also see
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-emissions-daimler-bmw-idUSKBN1AA2GI
>BMW halts project talks after Daimler blew whistle: Sueddeutsche

>>17607152
I see this happening, but then why are they going after the japs? Toyota sells more than anyone. Fucking Honda is always top 3 sold in the US.

BTW, fuck the EU. What a colossal waste of money. Can't believe Europoors are okay with it

>>17598164
(((emissions)))

who the FUCK cares

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>>17615261
turns out there's a price-fixing cartel to jew the consumer with AdBlue prices, it's not emissions cheating this time. It has to do with emissions because AdBlue is a fluid for reducing emissions and because of corruption in the German auto industry though.

>>17615280
And emissions is leftist plot

>>17615175

The key difference you're willingly ignoring is that Ford didn't pay back fully yet.

>>17615421
The key difference is ignoring that loans have a term

>>17615421
lol@governmint motors shills

>>17615179

>The Germans are finished

Hardly... but I wish so. They had been jewed so hard by the corrupt EPA, US Government. It looks like they had been prepared for this in case.

FCA could be the next victim for ""Emissions Investigation""

FCA probably regret buying the Chrysler and Jeep by now.

>>17615436

>Ford fangirl shills

kys

>>17615454
>muh evil EPA! germans dindu nuffin!
lel the absolute state of kraut shills
Let me guess, the EU environmental agencies are corrupt too and framed them? kek

>>17615475
not an argument, also
>reddit spacing

>>17615454
(((clean diesel)))

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>>17615527
>>17615506

heheh good goyim!

>>17598164

Except it's nothing but a witch hunt by the us criminals and the atlantic bridge to push the tesla meme because of muh global warm..(robbing you of your money)...so they want to destroy the global german car industry they tried in vain to compete with the last decades.

>>17615539
>adblue price rigging by a cartel is tesla's fault
top kek

>>17615546
you gotta admit the (((germans))) are pretty good at finding scapegoats

>>17615561
>t. schlomo

This story must be clickbait because there is literally nothing in the news. And there would be.

>>17616394
Are you kidding me? This has basically been the only story in the German media for the past week.

>>17616411
The that's where it stayed to die. Because it never went international apparently.

>>17615280
>price-fixing cartel to jew the consumer with AdBlue prices

can you really accuse resellers of """"""price-fixing"""""" if one component/fluid/ specific software is produced only by one or two companies, and it was made virtually mandatory because of retarded regulations ?

>>17614791
>>17614797
>>17614809
My source is more recent.
http://www.cycleworld.com/ducati-sale-first-harley-davidson-now-benetton

>>17618064

>Rumors

>>17616461
>two companies
yes, it's called collusion

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>>17607228
>manual never ever in burgerland

>>17612163
>>17610799
it's all corrupt, but VW was gassing the environment with their trick clean diesel software with nox emissions.

this lawsuit is about them price fixing the cost of parts for emissions controls together, not necessarily any emissions violations by MB or BMW.

still shitty nonetheless

>>17619110
This is like the lysine cartel all over again, well beyond "still shitty"

>>17599025
this guy gets it, idk why /o/ shits on him so much

>>17620257

Amerifats are like that: It is ok when Americans does it.

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>>17619093
hold me

It's pretty obvious that the regulation agencies in Europe and the US knew about it for quite some time.
They've kept the lid on it in Europe fbecause of German influence, and the US kept it a secret to use it as a bargain chip.
And now, the trade wars have started.

>>17622257

This anon got it.

>>17622260
My guess would be on the TTIP negotiations, but what exactly has caused the US to pull it is not obvious to me.

Whats hilarious is the fact that GM, Ford, Chrysler...and pretty much anyone that uses a smog pump design is also guilty of cheating.

None of them are REDUCING the total emissions....they are just diluting it with clean air.

I mean hell, even Harley Davidson had a lawsuit brought against them for emissions fraud.

What this really boils down to is the big 3 here in america decided they wanted a piece of the pie and shot VW in the foot.

>>17610804
>POORTUGAL

LOL. I sold my VW back and bought a diesel BMW with the reimbursement. Double jeopardy

>>17616394
>He watches CNN
when do you go back to school faggot?

>>17616394
>(((American medias)))

Feel a little more guilty white boi?

>>17622514
>None of them are REDUCING the total emissions....they are just diluting it with clean air.
smog pump completes the combustion dummy

>>17622781
damn lol
are you european?
>>17622785
>>17622793
top kek

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>http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/why-dieselgate-forced-audi-to-quit-le-mans-1788252715

>>17623696
I forgot to link the other part of the story, Porsche is quitting now too. History repeating itself all over VAG.

>>17624979
VAG should just fall over and die already, they can't do anything right

>>17624979
>I forgot to link the other part of the story
>doesn't link to the other part of the story
http://www.autoblog.com/2017/07/28/porsche-leaves-le-mans-joins-formula-e-racing/

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>>17624979

>implying....

Porsche knew that ICE's days are numbered. They noticed that BMW, Audi, and MB joining in Formula E program, so Porsche wants to be a part of it. Germans are yearning for more intense competition, because it leads to higher growth.

>>17599815
>no one respect the regulations so the cities just say fuck it and lets ban all diesels.

>>17627069
I posted that pic myself, dummy. "Tired of winning" is a lame excuse for "out of funds and heading to the cheaper Formula E"

>>17607215
T O U C H

But seriously though, never expected to see this reference on /o/

Now I want to buy a Giulia thanks to you

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>>17627136

maybe you should stop doing that.

>out of funds and heading to the cheaper Formula E

It explains why Renualt, Jaguar, and DS are in the "cheaper" Formula E program...HOWEVER, Tesla doesn't join... maybe it means that Tesla CAN'T afford it.

>>17627176
lol, I've meme'd it to death in the past

>>17627179
>implying Tesla is anything but a incentives scam
they haven't turned a profit ever

>>17627222

not surprised.

>>17598164
we need to increase the 25 year import rule to 35

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>>17627339
What did he mean by this?

>>17627339
What for?

>>17627179
>that chick
hnnggg

>>17612188
There are quite a few modifications that are illegal, problem is what is enforced vs what isn't.

>>17629139
coal isn't illegal

>>17629161
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal

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Daily reminder

"""dieselgate'""" is an Israeli-Anglo plot to undermine the German Car Industry


investigate the Red House Report and you will see why.

>>17629918
t. deluded VAG shill

>>17629918
>anglos and kikes implemented emissions cheating software
>this is what VAG fangirls believe

>>17629918
>>17602404
Based VAG

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>>17629918

The plot thickens!

>>17629949
>>17629921

Good Goyim!

The emissions tests are a scam the car makers created to sell new cars. Fuck California in particular for this shit..

BREAKING NEWS

state regulators on Thursday approved Volkswagen's plan to invest nearly $1 billion in California's EV network as penalty for its diesel-emission cheating scandal.

http://www.siliconvalley.com/2017/07/27/ev-charging-network-gets-800-million-spark-from-vw/

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>>17632992

>EV Network in Ghetto only, not for whites

California jewed Whites and Nazi. Not surprised.

>>17633020
Also VW will still be charging for the kWh of course
This is just their normal business plan which they present as a "punishment" :^)

>muh efficient european diesel cars

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>>17633035
>Also VW will still be charging for the kWh of course

I don't see it mentioning in that article. I assume you mean building the charging stations. Yeah they have to do it in the ghetto areas. They would be useless cuz niggers steal and destroy it right away. The million of dollars will go down the drain. California is famous for fraud, waste, abuse, or mismanagement of funds. :^)

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>>17633053

Passat TDI in Euro can do 80-mpg.

>inb4 muh pollution - very tiny
>inb4 muh lung disease - one in million

>>17633431
based Scullyposter
>>17633053
they're leagues more efficient than your (((environment friendly))) priuses, cuck

>>17634147
>priuses
it's Prii

>>17611141
>acid rain
The point is that it is acid and it lowers the soil pH, changing solubility of minerals and washing them into your ground water. Not to mention that not all plants can mitigate changes in soil pH well. Especially true for wintergreens as they don't shed leaves, look at Czech Republic and Poland forests hit by acid rain.

>Other way around you tard, NOx breaks down INTO ozone
Only NO2 breaks into ozone but then NO reacts with ozone resulting in no net change of ozone
But because it's not just NO2 but also a whole lot of NO and N2O, it means a loss of ozone