Is the "hot hatch" a meme? A lot of people say these

>>17597287
They're "fast" compared to the regular 700cc diesel version but slow compared the the average car in North America.

>>17597296
>average car in north america
a 10 year old camry?

99.9% of hot hatches are memes
>fwd
>turbo ecotrash engine
>shit interior
>owned by cancerous, meme spouting, reddit retards

the only hot hatch that isn't a meme is the focus rs, because it actually has real awd

>inb4 dumb niggers are going to try to justify haldex as """"""""awd""""""""

>>17597296
Most cars in America are incredibly slow.

>>17597303
Likely a leased newer model with 200hp.

>>17597311
But even the RS seems slow compared to a real car

>>17597287
Hot hatches are quick enough to have some fun but they aren't really fast. All the new "hyper hatches" are pretty fast though. Focus RS, A45 AMG, and Golf R are legitimately fast.

>>17597322
In what world is 4.7 second 0-60 slow? All while having space for 5 adults and tons of stuff.

ITT: benchracing

>>17597326
What about the Civic Type R?

>>17597315
Your average mall crawling pickup will do 0-60 in under 6. The slowest shitbox you can buy does 0-60 in under 10 which is still fast by European standards. In the wealthier and more developed parts of North America the average vehicle HP is over 200hp.

>>17597344
delusional

>>17597335
In STI and GTR land

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>>17597353

This is what this average parking lot looks like. Do the math.

>>17597287
tune a gti and it'll feel alright. thats about it

>>17597385
literally none of those cars are faster than a GTi and other hot hatches

>>17597385
Nice RS.

>>17597287
They're fun and quick but not conventional highway pulling fast. If you live in or around some back roads that have fun turns than they're great. If you live with nothing but flats for as far as you can see, you're probably up getting a V8.

>>17597402
What do you mean "feel" alright??

no. they're entry level performance though.
they're somewhat fast, but some are decently priced and they all have practicality.
honestly the biggest appeal of a hot hatch to me is that they're light and they're nimble. it makes them fun to push to their limits and do dumb shit in.

>>17597432
it'll give you enough oomph to satisfy you, at least it does for me. stock wasn't bad but it wasn't anything to get excited over

Just got an 08 speed 3. I wouldn't say it's "fast" but I like it.

>>17597433
This. I don't live somewhere where I can drive something with extremely high performance at its limits, so a hatch that I can throw around and rip through the gears without running out of the shitty ass roads around here works just fine.

>>17597361
>STI
What? Newest STI is 4.6 second 0-60...it's pretty much the same and doesn't have a hatch.

>>17597287
It's a weird segment because actual sports cars do exist. You could get a "sporty" Ford Focus or you could get a Mustang. You could get a GTI or you could get a TT. Like I want a sports car, but I think I'll get a four cylinder front wheel drive hatchback instead. Why?

>>17597526
If you have friends or take long trips with people in your car a 4 door hatchback is really nice. I prefer coupes and 2 seaters but if I have to have a single car a hot hatch is the best compromise.

If you have space for 2 cars or have no friends a dedicated fun car is better.

>>17597339
FWD.
The Civic Type R sits in a weird spot between the GTI and ST and the real performance hatches like the RS and AMG.
>inb4 ring lap time
literally nobody cares.

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>>17597657

>>17597335
Even the new Volvo V90 t8 can do that with a 2 liter engine.

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>>17597287
Anyone who says the gti is "slow" is smoking something that ain't too dank... a simple tuned mk7 gti is a fast car for a good price... if you want to go over the top and mod the shit out of it, you can get crazy and make it something with serious speed

>>17597701
>tuned
Even my lawn mower is fast tuned, faggot

>>17597637
Hm good point. If I had any friends I probably woulda thought of that myself, lol.

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>>17597715
Lol. Bud I doubt you even have a lawn mower. But guess what, a gti would still beat it

>>17597753
>buy 1k lawn mower
>spend 24k in some simple mods
>literally faster than the Chiron

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>>17597809

>>17597678
Not released yet but a quick google shows it does it in 5.4. GTI territory but not Golf R.

Late model GTIs are usually owned by people who wanted something fast but don't know anything about cars.

I like them but hate their fan base of automotive know nothings.

>>17597344
This thread gave me cancer. Even for /o/ this is beyond delusional and retarded.

I love old hatches, Golf MK1, Peugeot 205 etc. etc.
They are more built for European countryside grinding, and you can park them and maneuver in the cities easier.

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I just bought this, and took out up to the mountains. It makes more sense on a twisty road than anywhere else. It will get BTFO in a straight line by a Toyota sienna.

>>17597344
You need to be 18 or older to post here. Go renew your bus pass, Timmy
>>17597287
>But on paper, they don't really impress me..
Paper's all you got you benchracing loser. >>>>/n/

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>>17599094
Tuned late model GTI's cAn get 1/4 times of around 11/12 seconds.

>>17599250
>Drag racing
>Fwd
Numale detected

>>17597385
>all those fat people haulers

>>17599255
There is a special kind of drag racing called fwd category and it has been popular since the 90's...

>>17599288
I've been. It's interesting, but your better off not and just building a drag truck or beater with an ls or small block.

>>17597526
>instead of a hatch I want a "sporty" Mustang, or a literally literal Golf with a bodykit


You what, m8?

>>17597385
When the fastest thing in the photo is an FR-Sow.

>>17597385

>posts a parking lot full of trucks that weigh at least 2,5+ tonnes
>"do the math"

I did, you delusional prick, it adds up to 5 McDonalds menus.

>>17599322

You mean the Focus, right?

>>17597287
>A lot of people say these things are fast.

About the same as a 10 year old Lambo or Ferrari for the golf:

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:47.19 Volkswagen Golf GTI Clubsport S

Other times to compare it to
7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51
7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10
8:06.29 Ford Focus RS
8:07 Ford Mustang GT Performance Pack (2015)

>>17599347
no. The Focus in that is a base model.

>>17599347
Nope.
Toyota GT86 8:44.90
Ford Focus ST 8:51

>>17597678
While using electric motors in the rear, yes.

>>17597303
10 year old Camrys with V6s make like over 270bhp

>>17599361
>>17599356
>>17599322
There's a gray focus RS dumbasses.

>>17599544
Vent's behind wheels are wrong, it's not a real RS.

>>17597311
You know the GKN system is near identical to Haldex right? The main difference is Haldex can send up to 100% of the power to the rear wheels vs only 70% for the Twinster.

>>17597311
Dumb nigger thinking the RS has "real" AWD google it and you will see it's just Haldex with a different name. If Haldex isn't AWD then Twinster ain't neither.

>>17597311
>beat on the RS
>goes into FWD
>"real" AWD

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>when you're faster than a Toyobaru in a straight line but everyone still calls you slow

>>17599489
and a measly 23 mpg combined

>>17599607
>gook trash

if you think that shitheap is faster than a toyobaru you're absolutely delusional

but hey, at least the gooks didn't steal the design of a GTI & came up with something original

>>17599566
It is. The whole bodykit and wheels check out. You wouldn't be able to see the rear wheel outtakes from that angle, anw.

>>17599607
>straight line
Into the trash with it.

>>17599626
>rear wheel
Moron.

>>17599356
>>17599361
It's a focus RS

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>>17599619
Probably the only gook original design, tbqh.

>>17599638
It's a RS, either way. Fucking look at it and compare it to pics on the internet.

>>17597287
>on paper
Go drive one you fucking faggot

>>17599671
>implying /o/ is anything but busriding benchracers
It's amazing how sensible the post your car/car owner threads are in general compared to the rest of this board.

>>17597887
Dont know where you are, but in here Northern Europe it is already available and my local volvo dealer already has couple of them t8's. Also the official brochure says it will do 0-100km/h which is 0-62mph in 4.8 seconds, so the 0-60mph is something like 4.7s.

>>17599619
https://youtu.be/3ZbGdkyrAis

It's faster than a V6 Stang too.
https://youtu.be/WzPOs72rTKE

And anyone calling it a shitheap solely because its Korean is easily dismissed. The Fiesta and Focus are easily the shoddiest hatches available today.

>>17597287
They are for people who wants to be sporty and practical at the same time. I want a Hyundai I30n so bad.

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>>17599731

>>17597287
>paper

>>17599688
I would post here more often but I'm tired of the unbridled shit show. It seems to me that at least half of the OP's on this board have no friends to banter and shittalk with so they come to a board they have marginal correlating interest in and shit it up. This thread is a prime example.
>r hot hachets gud
>i nvr drive 1 tho
>dey 2 slow

>>17597287
They're econoboxes that could be a completely fun car on the track.

On paper, you should only look at the power-to-weight ratio and the suspension of these things.

>>17599753
>Fun

That's nice. The Veloster is faster than the Toyobaru.

>>17599771
It could even have a rocket thruster, it's still an ugly gook box.

>>17599771
Is that it's big claim to fame in one dull metric it is slightly better than a car not intended to be used in that way. The gooks are desperate aren't they. What is the next big thing from it, it seats more than a BAC Mono and costs less than a Veyron.

>>17599786
Koreans haven't caused this big of a meltdown since the nuclear crisis.

>Hot hatches aren't fast
Well maybe they're not dragsters but they're not made to do straight line racing
They can do this instead, which is pretty acceptable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw1nqpztTD4

>>17599797
What kind of meltdown? Only old people or generally car illiterate people buy Kias/Hyundais.
They are also absolutely incapable of coming up with a design language of their own, every Hyundai/Kia is a copy of a german or italian car.

>>17599771
How about comparing it to something else in the hot hatch class. What is it's 'ring time (that's what the N stands for after all) so we can compare it to the Golf, Focus and Civic.

>>17599797
Not true look at the reliability stats for Kia, the worst on the market making even Fiat and Ford look acceptable. They cause meltdowns all over the place.

>>17597657

FWD and still faster than an RS around a track. Besides, drive the RS long enough and it becomes FWD too.

>>17599803
Hyundai has poached most German and British designers and engineers. Similar to how the Germa s have all hited Chinese and Japanese designers (its the only explanation for recent German designs). But you knew that already. Or you didn't and you're as retarded as everyone says.


>>17599813
Lolno.

>>17599810
There is no Veloster N yet. That'll be in 2020 with the new gen.

If the new i30 N is any indication, which it is since they're basically the same cars, then the Veloster N will do pretty well.

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>>17597526
>You could get a GTI or you could get a TT

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>>17599833
Lolyes 2017 report on cars up to 2 years old.

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>>17599856
And still be faster than a Viper so I guess it's not a problem.

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>>17599862
JD Power's report on overall dependability 2017.

>>17599877
>JD Power

>>17599869
>have to compare against a 20 yr old viper to make yourself look good

>>17599886
>Reputable research organization

>>17599862
Based on callouts to recovery services.

>>17599877
Based on Survey

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>>17599892

>>17599897
>Based on callouts to

Source?

>>17599907
bfy(dot)tw/D1Wg

>>17599903
AWD vs RWD on a drag strip

are you even trying?

>>17599920
So... no source?

>>17599931
Wawawa, The old viper was slower round a track than the old RS6, try the new one. Wawawa the new viper is slower than the new RS6, try a different type of race. American'ts are so pathetic it's actually funny.

>>17599941
>spoon feed me mommy

>>17599941
>>17599920


Oops. My bad. I found the source.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/01/rigged-voting-may-lead-adac-to-scrap-annual-award/

>>17599786
>not intended to be used in that way
>GT86 not intended to be faster than other shitty cars

What did he mean by this?

>>17599761
>>17599688
The post your car threads are nice because you'll get some shit for your ride and give some shit for others, but in all likelihood you're not the only one driving your car and there'll be some good bants.

>>17599841
i hope the i30 N is good. ordered a first edition one. plz be good plz be good

>>17599877
Who is JD power? That a pornstar or something? Like JD powerrod

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>>17597287

>5.5sec 0-60 in 2001
>"only" 250HP (more like 190-200 to the wheels)

The hot hatch/wagon is only a meme because they've all stagnated at the 5-6 second 0-60 range and have not seen significant improvements in over 15 years since Subaru did it perfectly the first time.

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>>17600235

ALSO TFW when fucking MINIVANS are starting to catch up to the average hot hatch in terms of raw acceleration

>>17600255
Top of the line minivans have always been surprisingly quick in a straight line. They have big enough engines to haul around 10 people so once you take all that weight away and run it with just the driver they can be surprising.

Problem is the handling is complete shit whereas a hot hatch isn't.

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This thread

>>17597657
>real performance hatches get beaten by FWD jap shitbox
Yeah nobody cares about laptimes.

>>17597809
>not replacing the blades with a fan for added downforce
literally beats F1 cars.

>>17599607
>muh straights
fucking americans, they should get their own board, call it /obese/ or something.

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Hatch backs ARE fast.

>>17600772
The quickest way from any point to any other point is a straight line.

>yfw faster in a straight line is literally most important

OP is dumb as fuck. Hatchbacks are literally the only relevant vehicle design

>>17600025
The GT86 was never intended to drag race, the gearing is all wrong for that as are the slidey tires Retards seem to think that was the point, but they are retards.

>>17600908
You misspelled estate.

>>17600772
having an american only board would be unironically awesome

>>17601381
You both misspelled fastback with liftgate.

>>17601392
Especially if posting on the other boards results in an auto ban.

>>17599094
That and the fact that half of the people who own them are girls who are all about stance proving that "womyns r jus as good at carz as guise c.f."

>>17601458
Sounds unfair. The inferior countries need constant reminder of their failure on performance per dollar figures.

>>17599288
>popular

lolno. 99% of people you see in the FWD category are high schoolers, early 20 year olds, wiggers, and swagfags.

The only time I've ever seen decent turnouts with FWDs is when they just line and launch vehicles down the strip as they come in, regardless of category.

>>17601502
America is only one country, unless you want Mexico in there as well as they make most of the cars American's call domestics.

Which one as first car?
http://www.merrjep.al/Njoftimi/Shitet/Tiran%C3%AB/AUTOMJETE/Makina/Ford/Fiesta/OKAZION---Shitet-Ford-Fiesta-/4363174
http://www.merrjep.al/Njoftimi/Shitet/Durr%C3%ABs/AUTOMJETE/Makina/Mazda/3/Mazda-3-/4428350

americas efficient but sleep inducing roads are not what hot hatches are designed for. just buy something that goes fast in a straight line and leave the grip cars for the countries with real roads.

Hot hatches are meant to be fast in corners as well, not just straight lines you faggot americucks

>MUH STRAIGHT LINE

Learn to drive

>>17601985
The fiesta since its newer. Mazda if its the gen 2.

>>17602192
cant find a gen 2 for shit in this hole
but theres like thousands of german cars

>>17602189
thats not true at all, modern hot hatches are pigfat fwd shitboxes. Even the golf R has the shitty haldex fake awd which doesnt do anything for cornering hence why even the new type R which is fwd handles better.

>>17602219
I said meant, not are. keyword is meant.

>>17599572
>>17599586
these 2 are fucking retarded, haldex can only sed up to 50% of the power to the rear wheels you moron and focus RS already has rwd bias and it sends power to the front when it needs it.

Two completely different types of awd you morons. and yes haldex is fucking garbage you shouldnt defend it.

>>17599896
>research
>literally done with a mail in survey where they ask about your blue tooth pairing ease and gps ease of use
JD goes in the fucking garbage faggot.

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>>17602219
LOL I bet you drive a civic

>>17602916
That's a good thing though.

>>17599094
what makes you say that?
do you have to own a car that normies dont like to be considered a 'real' enthusiast?

>>17602219
this is a fundamentally illogical statement