Advantages of Manuals

>>17576366

You get to play with a phallic object as you drive.

>>17576366
none

>>17576366
I HATE FUN! GRRRR!

It makes drifting easier because you can just keep it in 2nd or 3rd gear so the wheels keep spinning.

An automatic car will upshift or downshit on its own and regain traction when you dont want it to.

Otherwise yeah its gotten to the point where automatic cars or at least ones with paddle shifters are just downright faster but who cares.

Also anti-theft device lol

Also also girls think its cooler than your Yaris

Less parasitic loss from the transmission system. Clutch doesn't lose nearly as much power as a hydraulic coupling (torque converter)

Some modern automatics use automatic clutches though, so there's not much of a difference in that case

You have more control over your car, meaning better mpg and safety. Less complicated than an automatic. No power lost from the torque converter. More durable, lasts longer. You get to teach girls how to drive your stick.

Also, it's fun.

>>17576366
Manuals can get better fuel efficiency. They are also easier to get wheel spin in and they can be hill started.

>>17576366
As far as performance and speed, they literally have no discernible advantage anymore in modern cars.

>>17576366

you're a lot more aware of the speeds you're going with a manual

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>>17576396
>letting clueless normies destroy your transmission
what the fuck

>>17576396
where can i find these "girls"

You maintain more control over your vehicle. That's pretty much it. Nowadays, mechanical and MPG losses are mostlyn egligable.

>>17576409
I track / touge my car, so I'm replacing and repairing my transmission pretty often.

>>17576414
The female girls won't be too interested, start going to /o/ meets

>>17576414

On craigslist

if you live in America faggots can't steal it because they don't know how to drive it

>>17576366
Ease of replacement and simplicity of service when compared to automatics.

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Any benefits of manual can be had with these babies

I like to play with my stick

>>17576477
Push starting?

In older cars you usually had a choice of a 4 speed (sometimes even 3 speed) auto or a 5 speed manual. This is why manuals used to get better fuel economy.

Nowadays in the age of 6+ speed automatics this is irrelevant.

>>17576366
fuel efficiency (if not talking about brand new and slightly used cars), easier to repair, more reliable if you aren't killing your synchros with stupid shit, more control while cornering

rev matching while downshifting

>>17576570
No, tiptronic transmission, manually upshift and downshift in an automatic

>>17576574
That was one of the many reasons, but the biggest is being able to play "in fifth by 30" in a manual.

>>17576634
He's saying you can't push start an auto with a gear select. You can with a manual. So no, not all benefits of a manual carry over to a tiptronic.

Also the lag with those transmissions is unbearable.

Also you can't clutch kick with one of those

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>>17576366
If you've ever worked on a transmission, manuals are infinitely more simplistic and easier to work on compared to automatics.

You can always keep the car in its powerband.

Also, a torque converter makes a shit ton of heat and robs your drivetrain of a lot of power. CVTs slip like crazy. You get more power to the wheels in a manual.

>>17576387
you can just put the auto in 2nd and 3rd.

>>17576667
>push start

Okay gramps

>>17576574
it also used to be that redlining in an auto was impossible unless you tuned it
now theres modes that you can switch to that allows that in autos as well

So i guess drifting is the only thing its good for now?

>>17576686
Useful if your battery dies.

there is none

its worse than automatic

but hey if you like automotive hipsters thinking its cool to handle phallic objects in old pieces of shits its for you

>>17576686
When your starter goes in your shitty auto tragic econobox, you'll wish you could push start it.

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>>17576695

Spotted the Prius driver.

>>17576366
full control over the power band
easier engine braking
autos may perform the act of changing faster than a human, but they cannot anticipate the road ahead and so are for all intents and purposes still slower

>>17576695
>he can't handle his stick
lmao, nu-males need not apply

>>17576695
When you are so insecure in your sexuality that you are scared of touching a stick.
>closeted fag detected

>>17576808
>>17576819
I have a manual but Ive outgrown it

its still inferior garbage and only hipsters and teenagers like

>>17576826
So you are closeted fag with superiority complex, got it.

>>17576826
dad?
i knew you were hiding something in the closet from me

Well, at least here in germany, manual Cars are usualy cheaper because automatic is always an very expensive extra here (+2 to 3K € more per car compared to manual). No clue why it's that different from USA, but many people actualy like to manual shift. Automatic is really exotic here, not sure about other european countries.

>>17576839
>closeted

Im not in the closet about anything

as long as its cute I dont care

>superiority complex

nah

manual is objectively worse

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Objective transmission power rankings:

F1 style dual clutch with flappy paddles and a clutch lever/pedal = WRC style sequential with a lever and a clutch pedal > Manual > two pedal dual clutch > conventional automatic with torque converter > CVT

>>17576477
>"shift denied"

DO NOT REPLY TO TRIPFAG

Manuals just feel more in control in a world taken over by automations

Automatics are incredibly fragile and need to have their fluids changed MUCH more frequently. In the event of rebuilding a trans, an auto has many more parts to be changed, is much bigger, and is much more complicated, where a manual isn't.

lighter car
lower MPG because you know if you're gonna slow down or speed up, your automatic doesn't
cheaper sticker price
engine breaking
and yes, it's fun.

>>17576671
Dct

>>17576391
Hasn't really been an issue since lock-up torque converters were invented.

>>17576366
Reliability, mostly. I've yet to see a manual transmission go bad. I've seen plenty of autos go bad over the years. Less moving parts too. No electronic control over a manual, less computer modules to go nuts or short out or corrode.

>>17578846
manual transmissions are weaker tho

plus you have synchros and clutches that are guaranteed to go bad

>>17576366
engine braking, being able to over rev and stay in certain power bands. the syncro's on a manual last much longer than the torque converter on an automatic. ease of maintenance.

>>17576366
On older vehicles such as what you have pictured manuals are 90% of the faster with less power losses.

>>17578866
>manual transmissions are weaker tho


So that's why manuals are used on Tractor-Trailers? Hmmmm

Being able to directly control the torque output of the engine is incredibly important for maintaining control of the car in all conditions.

People in automatics crash more because the transmission goes to the highest possible gear for the road speed and when entering a corner it doesn't have enough torque to pull or push the car through so it just understeers off the road or shifts mid-corner unexpectedly. Being able to go down a gear, let the engine rev higher, and balance the car with the throttle is a fundamentally important driving technique for everyone.

>>17576396
Manuals get less mpg. You can not shift faster than automatic more do you have as many gears. Manual is more complicated to drive than automatic.

>>17579162
lol those days are going away with a quickness

maybe look at drag racing and history some time tho

its a common occurrence for a manual to be too weak for an application so they used an auto

>>17576404
This isn't 1993. Autos are far more efficient.

>>17576409
I've taught 3 girls manual and they've never grinded gears, maybe stall out once or twice. I'm really good at teaching people how to do things though. Also these girls respected my shit, I wouldn't teach any stacy

>>17576366
I've fallen asleep at the wheel in an automatic, being conditioned to actively listen to and feel the engine in a manual keeps me awake.

>>17576366
None. Literally the only advantage is the 'fun'. Modern automatics are faster than manuals & get better MPG.

And if you live in a city, the small moments of fun are overshadowed by the ballache of a clutch in stop/go traffic.

Daily driver - Auto
Weekend toy - Manual

Anyone who claims otherwise is a overcompensating autist trying to justify their bad decision, or being such a poorfag they can't afford a DD & a toy

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>>17576414
where you at senpai?

You can keep yourself in the correct gear, better gear ratios, more gears, dhowshifting to slowdown. Lots of shit.
Obviously a new dual clutch paddle shifters automatic would be better but we both know youd be talking about a shitbox automatic trans,

cheap
more fixable

been driving manual for about 6 months.

what makes it fun? or when does it get fun?

I mean I guess getting to the speed limit in 2nd or 3rd gear is fun but besides that what else is there?

>>17578866
330ks on an Impreza which is known to have a really bad transmission. Nothing gone bad.
350ks on an W140 S320 two transimissions, 2 ECUs and a differential so far, not completely fixed.

>>17579267
Elaborate with facts

>>17581565
It gets fun when you delude yourself into thinking it is fun and superior

better control of gears for when you want to overtake or cruise at low rpm
at that point you should just be getting dct

>>17581565
>what makes it fun? or when does it get fun?

When you hoon it on a nice road.

You've been doing it 6 months and don't see the difference? Go back and drive your mom's auto.

I bet you find it horrid and slushy, and are annoyed that its not in the gear you want and changing when you don't want it to. You just forgot how bad it was because you got used to manual as the new normal.

>>17581635
not the guy youre replying to but after driving manual for about 7 years I still dont see the fun
my fun comes from driving a nice jumpy and powerful car

>>17579449
I prefer the opposite
>manual daily so I don't fall asleep at the wheel
>paddle controlled auto at the track for instant gear changes with one foot on brake and the other on throttle

>>17576672
For most autos, the selected gear is more of a suggestion than anything else.

>>17579259
>>17576396
Yeah, modern autos (particularly 6+ speed autos) have better MPGs, and once you're cruising there's no power loss because torque converters now have lockup clutches that give direct drive to the transmission.

bump
gm btfo

>>17576864
>No clue why it's that different from USA

Automatics were very heavily marketed as a luxury feature in the '70s.

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>>17576672
>he thinks that's how auto trans work

>>17576366
>What actual advantage do manuals have over automatics besides being "fun"
They are better for direct injection

>>17576477
>pretending to be in control of something instead of actually controlling it
t. puss puss

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If the battery or the starter fail you can always just push the manual car and it will start.

Smaller pool of potential thieves

>>17576366
The problem with your question is that there's now more than one type of "automatic" with which to compare.

My general opinion would be:
DCT > Manual > Slushbox auto = CVT

There's a reason dual-clutch systems are going into performance cars- they shift faster than any human. There's also the option of paddle shifting for track driving. They beat manuals in pretty much any objective measure except cost/simplicity.

Manuals have less powertrain loss than slushboxes and are more reliable than CVTs, and are simpler than both. the power loss in a slushbox is especially noticeable in a car that doesn't have a lot of power to begin with.

Torque converter automatics will probably get phased out as the durability/reliability of CVT improves.

tl,dr DCT kicks the shit out of manuals in new cars, but manual is usually nicer than a slushbox in older cars.

>>17578725
You mean higher mpg

>>17584334
>Torque converter automatics will probably get phased out as the durability/reliability of CVT improves.
Last time I looked CVT's still use torque convertors, and the problem with the newest CVT's is that they're programmed to have pre-set ratios so that they "feel" like a traditional automatic because dumb normies complained about the "drone" from CVT's. This negates some of the advantages a CVT gives and reduces service life because the pulleys will develop grooves over time in every spot there is a pre-set ratio.

I agree with your post on how good autoboxes and DCT's have gotten, I was watching a video the other day that showed how the 8-speed slushbox in the Challenger Hellcat blips the throttle all on it's own when the driver hits the downshift paddle. This negates the need for being able to rev-match downshift or even how to drive a manual at all, but it got me thinking, at what point does it stop? There are already instances of self-driving technology being faster than actual race car drivers, do we just give up on driving entirely and sit along for the ride? Do we allow someone to show up at an autocross course and sit in the passenger seat while the car does all the driving on it's own? Do we stop having race car drivers and instead just watch robots "race" around a track? Have we as a society gotten so lazy we'll just take the easiest way out possible rather than learn a skill?

That in a nutshell is my problem with the arguments about auto's being faster than manual, even if it's true in some cases. If the end-game is using technology to be faster than "the old way" why stop at the transmission when a robot is a faster better driver than 95% of people and can entirely replace a human driver? I for one don't see the fun it that or even why you would bother being a "car enthusiast" at that point but I'm obviously in the minority.

>>17583678
how do you do this?

just have someone push the car then turn the key?

>>17576366
Literally zero benefit compared to modern automatics.
t. owner of two manual cars.

>>17576477
That is like the close doors button in an elevator.
It doesn't do anything.

For older autos, MPG, speed, weight, and maintenance.

MPG and speed are certainly much better now with more gears and better computers; the other two are questionable but err on the side of manual.

>>17586665
>put in gear
>hold clutch and gas
>get going 5+ mph
>dump clutch
>vroooom

Downshifting to save your brakes.

>>17576366
Manuals will be a thing of the past and does really belong in cars because there just a to b transportation anyway on motorcycles thats a different story. A manual in a car just gives it a timeless quality because automatics are just kind of slow depending on the kind to shift. You will never have to worry about the transmission in a manual unless you don't know how to shift well with it.

>>17586766
THIS

>tfw rear brakes on my Sentra almost non-functional
>been driving with this relying on engine-braking for almost 5 months now

>>17576366
89 MR2s have color matched mirrors and rocker panels?

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>>17586776
I have a DCT bike and that is utter bullshit. In a car where you actually use the clutch and shifter, you lose a lot of feeling going to DCT.

In a bike, where you always drive grip and only shift up or down, DCT is pretty much similar to manual, as in you still need to manually downshift, you just don't have a clutch. Mostly like the manual boxes on modern quads.

why dont cars have gearboxes like motorcycles?
it just makes more sense to move it up/down depending if you want a higher/lower gear

id consider a car if it worked like this, but i dont really want to be fucked to learn some retarded system for muh fun

>>17577129
direct drive > not actually connected > literally a giant lump of dog shit where your transmission should be > CVT

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Americans don't know this

>>17579259
Manuals are easier to fix and more reliable

>>17576387
But my Yaris is manual???

>>17586879
Paddle shifters?

>>17577129
What cars have the WRC style sequential are actually sold and not custom made for certain racers?

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>>17576585
> driving in 4th gear,2,500 rev/pm approaching a curve
> press clutch,put into neutral,release clutch
> rev it a little more,press clutch,put it into 3rd gear,release clutch
> all this done in 2 or 3 seconds
> mfw

>>17583490
>implying mine doesn't do what I tell it
>you will never be able to downshift whenever you want for speed and power then slap it back in auto

>>17584190
Not sure this is valid in non-America since you all circlejerk about everyone knowing manual

>>17586879
>What is every automatic made in the last 30+ years

Lightness.

>>17587417
you know you can pull a car out of gear into neutral without the clutch, right?

>>17576370
>fuel efficiency
>price
>maintainence
and unless it is a verry expensive DCT
>performance

>>17579259
>manuals get less mpg
That depends on the driver, if let a hypermiler drive a manual car and a autimatic one with the same final gear ratio, the manual will need less fuel.

>>17586879
Sequential manuals in larger vehicles tend not to last long, they're used in race cars but often are rebuilt every other race.

Also they still use a clutch so there's really no way of getting around that, Even on motorcycles if you want your gearbox to last you use the clutch on all shifts.

>>17576366
>Besides being "fun"
Is another reason necessary?
Kys

>>17576366
>fun
nothing fun about having to stir a soup of rocks and a pedal so stiff it hurts every time a traffic light stays red for more than 20 seconds just to commute to a shit job.

>>17589747
>stiff
You must drive a Pete, if not, you've never felt a stiff clutch.

>>17589771
i dont know about ete

My brother used to drive a manual miata in highschool. He's a chad so he gave it up in the end, told himself he doesn't want to change gears anymore. Said it makes it hard to text and drive.

I am a friendless loser so I drive manual because I have nothing better to do in my car than use all of my limbs.

I don't like how jerky some autos can be. Though I haven't tried a modern automatic. I'm considering trying out those paddle shifters in my next car. Figure the best value:performance would be some auto v6 camaro from carmax that used to be a rental or something. I would assume it's been driven rental-hard but that might not be too bad and it'd look way cooler than my old saturn...

You can't feel what's happening in an automatic. In my car I know a week in advance of when I need to top up my oil because I can feel the difference in the shifter.

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>>17589790

Compared to modern automatics, only price and maintenance costs. Anything else is either incorrect or subjective.

>>17576366
Millenials fail at driving them, so young thieves can't steal your car.

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I ain't no autocuck but I've always wanted to ghost ride the whip. Also, mandatory reminder:
>I don't shift my gears, the machine does that for me
>I don't fuck my wife, Tyrone does that for me

>>17579260
>Things I don't understand

>>17576366
Fuel efficiency

>>17589825
Dont buy a v6 muscle car friend

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>>17576477

>>17576366
You sound like the kind of lazy faggot to buy a self driving car

more fun

>>17583476
>he thinks that he thinks that's how auto trans work

>>17576366
Manual for the streets, but anyone that recommends manual offroad is a faggot and a retard

>>17587417
>2 or 3 seconds
who takes this long to double clutch rev match???