This engine is shit. Post other shit engines.

God damn the shitters are hyperactive tonight.

Barra straight 6.

Makes less power with a turbo than aLS can make naturally aspirated.
Heavy as fuck.
Long as fuck.
Tiny, useless displacement.
Lol turbo lag to get modern power.

The Porsche Flat 6 is right behind it.

>>17574844
Stolen Recaros told me the 3400 was much better and can actually be considered a decent engine?
also
>inb4 cheeky cunts posting engines they don't like as being "shit"

>>17574863
Mrcummy put your trip back on

>inb4 buttmad weeb posts an LS

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This motherfucker is THE biggest pain in the ass to work on.

Ford Kent engine

>>17574844
That engine is fine
The worst is the 2.7l Chrysler v6

>>17574895
>twin cam V6
>lumina
when did this happen? were they fast?

GM 90 degree V6s after the second generation were just terrible. My Dad has a 1999 Malibu that cracked the block of it's fucking L82 THREE TIMES. ONCE, HE REPLACED IT. TWICE, HE REPLACED IT. THREE TIMES? HE JUNKED THE FUCKER.

I suggested he hunt down something else to mate to the 4T40 like an L81 out of a Saab or something but he just snapped. He actually took care of it and oiled it and kept good gaskets and it still fucking overheated and busted. He later got a Beretta whose motor is built on the same exact architecture but it never gave him a problem.

>>17574867
It is it's got a proper firing order, 60° V6 that made about 215hp in it's latest trim and takes boost like crazy, that helave a decent sound when being tossed around

>>17574960
LQ1, made about 215hp/220tq
GM basically redesigned a pushrod block to accommodate a set of DOHC heads, wackyness ensues

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Last generation Saab H engine, if you loved oil sludge, changing piston rings and driving around in a cloud of smoke, this was the engine for you,

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>>17574844

>>17575019
more than 1 air? holy shit

>>17575036
Lol

>>17574960
The LQ1 V6. They took a 3.1L pushrod V6 from a normal Lumina, bored it out to 3.4L, gave it a set of high flowing, free revving DOHC 4 valve per cylinder heads.
They made great power and they screamed like a banshee to a high 7000 RPM redline.
But when shit broke, they were a bitch to work on. Just replacing the alternator is an 8 hour job.
>were they fast?
for the time. If you managed to grab one with the rare 5 speed manual, you could do a 1/4 mile in 15 seconds flat. automatics did 15.5 on average.
Bottom line: cobbled together, made a great noise, went like stink, shit to work on

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This shit. I don't understand why everyone with a hemi doesn't just do an ls swap.

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>>17575105

DELET

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>>17575229
it is though
>overweight
>fucks up weight balance
One of the lead engineers for the Skyline HATED the engine for those reasons and wanted to switch to a V6 as early as the R33. The reason they didn't wasn't because it was a bad decision, but because it simply would've cost too much to re-engineer the chassis to fit a V6.
That's why when given the choice of engines on the new V35, they dropped that I6 like a hot potato and embraced the V6 with love.

>>17575120
>changing the alternator is an 8 hour job

what. I replaced mine in my z34 in like 2 hours.

>>17575259
if you take it to any shop, the labor charge is 8 hours.

BTW, 2 hours is still horrendous for changing an alternator. It should be half an hour at most.

>>17575105
>skyrim engine
le arrow in the knee xd

>>17574844
Put your trip back on recaros

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worst engine ever made, almost as bad as the jz series.

>>17575019
Actually a pretty good idea. If this thing was made by a reliable manufacturer (not FCA), it might even be a great engine.

>>17575224
Because why would you put a GM motor into a Mopar? Sure, 2nd gen Hemis are bad at performance, but an LS makes no sense there when the 3rd gen Hemi exists.

The are only three reasons to go with a 2nd gen Hemi:
>Originality
>Emulating a classic muscle car
>You need 2000+ hp
For anything else, a regular wedge, or hell, even an LA small block will probably do the job just fine.

>>17575976
>bait.jpg

>>17575988
Shit bait

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If it says maxxforce it's garbage. A marine engine adapted for trucks with a shitty emissions reduction platform thrown on. Everything about these engines is garbage. They only made about 200 of the 15l, of the first 100 99 of them failed testing and one blew up one the dyno. The 6.7s are even worse, often being crammed into the smallest chassis possible with no access and prone to stupid levels of failure. Only the 13l engines are somewhat tolerable, aside from the propensity of the egr coolers to blow out and the water pump to eat the gear housing, requiring about 20 hours of work to fix the fucking thing.

>>17576002
What does the car brand have to do with engine swaps? The LS1 is way better than a 426 hemi.

>>17576024
If it's diesel engines we are talking about, it is hard to forget that VM made the worst of them. Not good even for a boat.
Head gasket failure? Check
Imminent failure if you dare go past 2500 rpm? Check
Starting issues? Check
Poor performance? Check (seriously, who uses a floating turbo in a car engine?)

Not a fucking redeeming feature, I swear.

>>17577577
It's still an engineering marvel compared to this massive piece of shit. A gas engine converted to a diesel, wew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Diesel_engine

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>>17574844
Pic related

>>17577621
You'd best not be >implying that all boxers are shit

>>17577621
But it's just fine desu

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why didn't they just use the 3.0L from the taurus ;_;

>>17575019
What the fuck even is multi air technology

>>17577621
SOHC ones were okay. You could actually change the sparkplugs without pulling the engine.

That oil filter is actually surrounded by a catalytic converter. Good times.

>>17577731
Actually the 2.5L SVT variant had much better heads than the 3.0L. fans of the Contour SVT will swap in a 3.0L from a Taurus, then use the heads from the 2.5L to make more power

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>>17574844
Pic related was so horrendously unreliable, even by VW standards, that it got canned after one single generation.

>>17574863
Barra weighs less than an RB26
It's as short as a 4L I6 can be
>4L is a small displacement
Turbo Barra engines can put out 500bhp+ with a turbo and upgraded valve springs

Honestly, i used to hate this engine. But it's reliable as fuck and very capable of producing insane power figures.

>>17578568
>It's as short as a 4L I6 can be
because it has an extreme undersquare design, so it can't rev for shit.

>>17577765
SOHC ones were the headgasket destroying era.

>>17578578
Why would it need to rev? It's a huge displacement. All the torque is delivered early in the rev range.

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>>17574844
The 3800 is one of the greatest engine designed 80 years ago. If you want to post shit engine you should have posted this one.

>>17578625
The Shortstar? Can I have what you're smoking?

>>17578582
2.5 or 2.2?

>>17578633
The shitstar

>>17578625
>claims the 3800 is good
>posts the engine that was to replace the 3800 in its place
The Shortstar was more expensive to manufacture. That's the only reason it didn't catch on.

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>>17578586
Any good, fun engine needs the ability to rev quickly. That's why people prefer oversquare engines. Take your undersquare-loving ass down to the depths at the bottom of the sea where you belong.

>>17578701
But B series Hondas are undersquare, anon. Some of them revved to 9k.

>>17578714
B-series Hondas are oversquare.
Oversquare: Big bore, small stroke
Undersquare: Small bore, big stroke.

You can't lie your way out of this.

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>>17578714
>B series
>undersquare

>>17578727
>>17578727
Even the beloved b18c had a bore of 81mm and a stoke of 87.2mm. Where is your god now?

>>17578744
wtf I love vtak now

>>17578727
>>17578733
Only the b16 was oversquare. Everything else was undersquare.

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>>17578744
>Where is your god now?
what god?

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>>17578771
Why the f20c, my dear ledditor. Came in oversquare or undersquare flavors. Both revved over 8k.

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3800's are pure shit and anyone who disagrees hasn't owned enough of them.

>>17577621
That's the joke.

>>17575038
false

engines that aren't V8s

>>17580008
Is...is this a fucking joke?

>>17579996
It's worse than people would shill you to believe but I don't think it belongs in this thread.

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I think this engine is the worst diesel engine to go in a truck.

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It literally shuts down if you drive it on a track ahahaha

>>17580118
>northstar
>anything but utter garbage that:
>blows head gaskets
>headstuds are literally helicoiled into the block
>could fill an Olympic swimming pool with all the oil one leaks in a year
>has the starter under the intake manifold in the valley between the banks

How could they be anything but one of the worst engines of all time? It's a shame considering there aren't many other 32v burger veeates, but trash is trash.

>>17580310
>>has the starter under the intake manifold in the valley between the banks
The Toyota 1UZ-FE does this as well

>>17579834

Yeah, they're awful. It is embarassing they powered camaros at one time. But 4th gen camaros are embarassing so i guess it fits.

>>17575029
only because it's not the VVT-LI

>>17578582
What is the EJ25D for $500

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>>17575988

>>17575038
Agreed, fuck this motor. Fucking fragile, oversized piece of shit.

>>17575253
>Using old arguments on why the inline 6 was bad.
Lmao ok kid. Let me guess, you praise the vr38dett and fight gm fans. The gtr should be wiped and we should have just let the series die at the 34 instead of having a fat ugly v6 pos come along and ruin everything

>>17580473
>Let me guess, you praise the vr38dett and fight gm fans.
no. I think the VR V6's are trash
>old arguments
doesn't make them any less valid.

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>>17575253
>Using old arguments on why the inline 6 was bad.
Let me just go back to my great firing order while you stick with your heavy unbalanced engine.

>>17580482
Well I posted two replies on accident, so rip, but, the old arguments have and can be easily refuted

>>17580515
this

>>17580515
1-2-3-4-5-6 is a good firing order, and a 60° V6 is perfectly balanced internally. Try again retard

>>17580912
>t. someone whose engine was posted here

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Shitting on the 3800 is retarded. The 3.4 from the 90s is a mess tho. Probly pretty cool when new and working. I always thought the exterior of the Z34 was quite nice, but I had a 93 Regal 3.8 that was far more handsome IMO. It was no rocket ship but torquey af.

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K24A4 a shit.

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>>17577734
variable timing per intake valve
instead of a throttle body

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>>17577734
It's incredibly clever. They got rid of the intake camshaft, and activated the intake valves via solenoids.

>>17580515
>internal balance
>relevant
Modern I3 engines work perfectly fine, despite lacking internal balance. Hell, I2 engines work. There's a whole slew of argument for the V6 (weight, size, square packaging, etc.), and only two arguments in favor of the I6: sounds (subjective) and the irrelevant balance meme.

V6>I6, deal with it.

>>17581148
>irrelevant
How is reduced wear and vibrations irrelevant?

>>17581325
Both of those are irrelevant for performance, and manufacturers have made V6 engines that are so well-balanced that they'll outlast the chassis they're put in. Reduced wear is only irrelevant if it's truly detrimental to an engine's lifespan (which is isn't anymore), and reduced vibrations are only important if you can't make a chassis that hides it. Modern car manufacturers are so damn good at reducing NVH values that we actually need to pump some noise into the cabins, so a bit of vibration is irrelevant. For the true luxury feeling of a floaty barge, a six cylinder isn't sufficient anyways, you'll need a V12. Not because it's twice as smooth, but because you ''need'' the image.

>>17581338
Enjoy having to swap rubber bushings frequently

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>>17581023
This.

>>17581361
Bushings are a wear part anyways, and if you engineer them properly they'll have the same service interval on a V6 as on an I6. Rubber degradation and time are more of a problem than actual engine vibrations.

Besides, you're splitting hairs. Even if a V6 kills bushings twice a year, it's still lighter, with a better CoG, better mass centralisation, etc. I6 is obviously inferior in every single performance metric.

>>17581377
>more concentrated mass is better
lolwut
a longitudinal I6 allows for better weight distribution

>>17574844
>3800

Literally replacing the lower intake manifold gaskets on mine today, 3rd time my intake manifolds given out but 255,000 thousand miles on my intrigue so I can't complain. Its not even a real tough or costly repair, I can do it for $100 in the GM standard service time .

>>17581384
>>more concentrated mass is better
But it is. Let's educate you on some basic physics.
To turn a car, you need force. This force overcomes inertia. For accelerating in a straight line, the mass of the vehicle provides this inertia in the classical equation of F=m*a. In cornering, m is the polar moment of inertia. The lower this PMI, the less force you need to achieve a rotational acceleration, which is your corner entry or turnin. Concentrating mass between the axles of the car gives you a lower PMI, and thus a better turnin.

>a longitudinal I6 allows for better weight distribution
No. Consider a traditional front engine, RWD vehicle, with a fixed passenger cabin, whereby the front of the transmission is placed at the very front of the firewall. Basically, everything behind the firewall is fixed (a black box), and everything in front can be modified, just like most cars are designed with modern chassis architectures.
For any given transmission front, the V6's center will be closer to the rear of the car, which is better for handling. In a RWD car, you actually want more weight towards the rear for various reasons, mainly corner entry and straight line acceleration. For any given I6, the center of the engine will be further forward, which increases the PMI ánd puts more weight on the front axle.

The ideal front-mid engined car has an engine stuck as closely to the firewall as possible, and a front axle centerlin just ahead of the foremost cilinder of the engine, to get the wheelbase as short as possible, but still get the bulk of the engine within the axle lines to reduce the PMI. For a V6, the length between firewall and front axle line would be roughly 3 cilinders. For an I6, this would be roughly 6, which would severely increase wheelbase and PMI - both pretty bad for agile vehicle dynamics.

>>17581385
Buy the metal LIM and never change it again cheap ass fuck

>>17580310
It's alphonse trying to shit on the 3800 again in hope people buy a shitstar or the 3400 which will end in catastrophic failure so people start to believe GM products are shit.

>>17581421
Here comes this fucking retarded from the v6 hate thread to tell us about how great his v6 cuckbox is compared to a glorious inline 6

>front mid engined v6.
No. Nobody does this because you know as well as I do that v6's are popular because they fit well not because they're good for weight distribution (tenuous at best). Manufacturers do v8's because they sound better >muh subjective! Please tell me how a Toyota v6 sounds better than a coyote v8. They're internally balanced so they don't need extra weight, complexity, engineering for a v6 with all its stupid balance shafts.

>>17581480
>glorious inline 6
Inline six is worst six, deal with it.

>Nobody does a FMR V6
Nissan Z cars would like a word with you - especially because they got a much better weight distribution and PMI after ditching the I6 for a superior V6.

>V8>V6
Well duh.

>>17580143

>that
>not Paccar MX13

Neck yourself

>>17580931

>BMW V12 with downdraft carbs
>therefore removing all of the electrical problems those engines had

>>17580154
Not the engines fault GM engineers didn't bother giving it proper cooling.

>>17581927
t. Assblasted GM Fangirl

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>>17574844
This utterly useless hunk of junk.
>meant to be VAG's attempt at a "compact" DOHC V8
>physically larger than an LS in every single dimension
>heavier than an aluminum LS, despite being made from aluminum as well
>yet it only has 2/3rds the displacement of an LS
>makes barely 340hp
>makes fuckall torque
>FOUR chains handle the timing
>timing components at the BACK of the engine
>chain guides made out of shitty, failure-prone plastic because lol VAG

>>17574844
This
>>17574853
This
>>17575224
This

Also shit:
Toyota 3.0
1UZ
Non-LS Chevy V8s

>>17577606
They took a gas engine block, made it stronger and made new heads to accomodate diesel injectors and all that shit. Not bad, and not the first time someone converted a gas engine to diesel (see Barreiros, for example).

But then you install it in a car, with no water-fuel separator. Great. Seriously, what the fuck did you expect?.

>>17580325
Honestly, taking into account the frequency with which starter motors have to be replaced, shoving it below the intake manifold is a good compromise.

I prefer it to oil filters mounted next to the exhaust, or fuel filters that need a wheel to be taken off to access.

>>17582039
>Non-LS Chevy V8s
I think you mean "non-LS V8s"

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>>17582248
So I heard you like oil filters mounted next to exhausts. Would you be interested in purchasing an EJ25 Subaru, by chance?

pretty much any chrysler engine

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>>17581480
>>front mid engined v6.
>No. Nobody does this
Yes they do you retard

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>>17582313

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>>17582277
Is that from below the engine? If it is so, I have tools to take it off without burning.
Some Saabs, on the other hand, make it imposible to change it without spilling oil over the exhaust.

Honestly, seeing as things as the plastic canister in BMWs exists since the 90s, I don't know why other makers haven't adopted it already.

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>>17582317

>>17582255
Ford has some good V8s tho, I'd never bother with their older ones though when the LS was so far ahead in the same timeline, and the new ones are expensive and extremely complex with 24 timing tables, 4 cams etc etc making tuning them extremely expensive and painstaking.

>>17581499
Box six is the worst six by far

>>17581499
>inline 6
>not GOAT 6

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>>17582039

>Non-LS Chebby vee aytes

Neck yourself

>>17582039
spoken like a true dumb dogfucker
big block masterrace

>>17577637
Nah just poobarus.

>>17577640
>ancient obsolete design
>Twice the mechanical parts of a conventional DOHC
>Fuckhuge timing belt with 9000 tensioners, and dropping the engine is required to replace it
>throws rods, can't handle boost
>low revs compared to conventional i4's
>gigantic compared to conventional i4's of the same displacement
Nah dude it's a meme engine

>>17575026
If you put mineral oil in an engine meant for synthetic oil, used a first generation H engine, calling it a last generation H engine complaining about sludge, you fell for >>17575026's bait.
260HP/400Nm ain't bad for such an old engine.

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>>17580143
I beg to differ.

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>>17581921

>>17582759
You don't have to drop the engine to change the timing belt, you just remove the radiator.

2.2 turbos will take all the boost you can throw at it. That's why people who build hybrid motors take the 2.2 short block from a first gen Legacy Turbo, it's the strongest one they've made. That + EJ25D heads and forged rods and pistons will give you a great little motor.

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>>17581937
fuck you, you're retarded

only the one in the S4 had the timing chain in the back. fuck off. They updated the 4.2 with the FSI version and the timing chain guides were no longer an issue. The rest of the 4.2's had a timing belt.

It's a great engine

This fucking heap of shit though, isn't.

Boxster: 2.5L M96 - 205HP - 82HP/L

Boxster: 2.7L M96 - 220HP - 81HP/L

986 S: 3.2L M96 -252hp -78HP/L

the biggest fucking engine had the lowest hp/l. and to make matters worse, for only 200CC more:

911 : 3.4L M96 - 296HP -87HP/L

911 : 3.6L M96 - 320HP -88HP/L

porsche purposely fucked over the S.

>>17582396
Damn dude people write you off as some elitist dumbass but you make good points.

>>17585932
Put your trip back on dogfucker

>>17581025
WTF, Why?

>>17580356

No, its because it's an oiling burning piece of shit

>>17578701
That feel when you have oversquare v8. 14,5mm shorter stroke than bore diameter.

>>17585923
It's pretty easy to get the 3.2 up to decent power levels using 987 bits though.

Still a dick move of them to nerf the Boxster S, obviously.

>>17582695
>>17585957
You have a crush on him or something? Cute.

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>>17574844
Enjoy your ringland failure

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>>17585961
You mean this?
>>17574853

>>17587147
not even the same guy, faggot
everyone hates the dumb dogfucker here, too bad the cliffs haven't been kind enough to put him out of his misery

>>17580140
(ok its reliable, but its just anemic)

>>17591195
Did he do something to make you so butthurt?

>>17591530
Fucking dogs, for starters

>>17591530
I probably told him the truth, that seems to really upset people.

>>17591617
the truth that you rape dogs?

>>17591530
>>17591617
>samefagging this hard

>inb4 cummy takes the 30 sec to shoop a screencap

>>17591617
Probably just a jesus loving bible basher that needs to stick nose up in everyone's ass.

>>17581499
>inline 6 is worst 6

My Ford 300 and AMC 4.0 laugh at you

>>17591760
>t. dogfucker
It's not like you don't broadcast he sexually abuses dogs BTW

>>17591878
>being a furry means you're into beastialty.
I'm not even a furry and I know that's an extreme exaggeration.

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>>17591920
>I'm not even a furry

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OP here. Can we please stop talking about beastiality and get back to talking about shit engines? insulting his private life doesn't make his opinions on engines any less true.

That said, I'll keep my dog away from him.

>>17591944
You're the one that wants to talk about dog sex all the time, fucking animal rapist

>>17592041
see:
>>17591957

>>17591957
His opinions on anything mechanical are worthless. He praises the SBC/LS as basically the best engine in existence and makes stupid claims like saying that grip is undesirable when we all know the lack of it almost got him killed.

>>17592064
What?
I hate non-LS Chevy V8s

>>17592231
what about the DZ 302? That's god-tier

>>17592236
Anything carb is shit, anything with a distributor is shit, LS is good because it's efficient, simple, cheap and easy to make power, all he parts interchange easily and the seals and gaskets have been refined to where leaks are far and few.
Everything is just better.
It's the ultimate tuner motor 2bh

>>17592231
go big or go home, dogfucker

>>17581385
'98 Intrigue owner, just hit 115k today. Water pump failed not too long ago due to the fact that they came with plastic elbow connectors from the factory that were prone to suddenly shattering instead of the metal ones that you can get nowadays, but overall the engine runs as good as ever

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I'm surprised no one posted this yet

>>17592253
Yeah I love 10 liter engines that get 8mpg avg and have 180hp

>>17592243
you can convert a DZ 302 to a decent EFI MPI setup and it'll make power like an LS, and rev to the moon while doing it.

>>17592293
A 6l V12 that achieves those numbers is nothing to brag about either. At least that 10 liter V8 is probably still running to this day.

>>17592293
Not to mention heavy as fuck and useless on the track

>>17574844
Literally replaced my BLOWN OUT lower intake manifold gaskets this afternoon.
Fun as hell doing some "engine repair" but the thought of losing a bolt was always looming in the back of my mind.

>>17592310
Weighs half what a W16 weighs.

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>>17592303
LS can rev too if you build it like a 302 come on man.
It's all about how the intake has o rings and no coolant passages to leak, it's all about how well the stock intake flows, it's all about that huge cam bore allowing massive cams, one piece seals, parts interchangeability, massive aftermarket, cheap and plentiful, there are literally no downsides.
Go ahead and pay out the ass for a crate motor just to get left in the fucking dust by a stock junk yard 4.8 with a 200 dollar Chinese welded to it, I don't give a fuck.

>>17592337
>with a 200 dollar Chinese welded to it
I think that counts as human torture anon

>>17592337
>LS can rev too if you build it like a 302 come on man.
except LS motors don't split down the middle when you take them over 500hp.

>>17592354
The DZ 302 is a Chevy small block anon. Just because it's a 302 doesn't mean it's a Ford engine

>>17592349
Chinese turbo lol phone posting is hard

>>17592379
Now I want to see fan art of someone trying to weld a chinese man to an LS V8 engine with a screencap of that.

>>17592379
I thought based Alphonse had phoneposting rangebanned in your area dipshit

>>17592455
Wifi dipshit, think before you post fucking idiot

>>17592455
>based Alphonse
kys

>>17592268
See >>17581937

>>17580515
I6's are heavier (longer crankshaft) and have a higher polar moment of inertia. V6's can also be perfectly balanced. Any engine can have any firing order, the one picked happens to be the best.

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>>17593165
>V6's can also be perfectly balanced
With balance shafts.
Come on anon, not even 60º V6s are as good as inline 6s. V6 engines make rubber bushings a requirement.

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>>17593186
No, 90º V6's need balance shafts because there's a 120º interval between each piston for it to fire evenly so you can't use counterweights like in a crossplane v8. 60º and 120º can be balanced via crankshaft alone, but it requires a lot of precision compared to an inline 6, because there's an interaction between primary and secondary order forces while in a inline 6 all that is required it to make sure all parts weight the same. And even so, the "perfectly balanced" I6 can even be less balanced than an V8 simply due to better tolerances:

https://youtu.be/3Y-Gdz6N-dU?t=249

And a V6 can do very well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lZ6VEiI3zw

As for direct mounting to the chassis, you can even mount inline 4's to the chassis directly with little problems, hell even single piston engines as it is done on bikes. While the V12 is perhaps the only truly balanced engine because it has always overlapping power strokes (unlike anything with 8 cylinders or less) when it was directly mounted on the ferrari F50 it was still considered to be too unrefined.

The real reason for that statement is because Newey saw the bitching that came about the jaguar XJ220 (twin turbo v6 replacing v12) and decided he wanted none of that. If only american manufacturers didn't try to produce v6's out of their cut down v8 engines, the first mass production V6 was perfectly balanced.

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This was great until the block cracked under 100k miles.

>>17594881
>cheap
>plentiful
>aftermarket speed parts to fit any budget and any desired power level
It definitely is the epitome of cheap speed

>>17594902
>the 4v Ford modular and the 2JZ are just as cheap, plentiful and have as much aftermarket
Wrong

>>17594915
Enjoy your pigfat packaging disasters, fonzie

>>17594920
https://accufabracing.com/accufab-mustang
enjoy being slower, pushcuck

>>17594902
>2JZ as cheap or as common as a LS
>Choosing an iron boat anchor over a compact aluminum V8
Please don't be blinded by your weebism.

>>17592268
LMAO WHAT A NIGHTMARE

TYPICAL GERMAN ENGINEERING AUTISM

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This thing would lose to a civic or Miata.

>>17595807
Does that tattoo on her wrist mean she only fucks nips?

>>17575038
bait

>>17593885
60º V6s require balance shafts too you shill

>>17574920
what in the fuck is this in?

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>>17596178
No they don't. I've taken apart many 60° V6's. Have you?

>>17578797
no f20c was oversquare and f22c was undersquare

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>>17596203
lmao maybe if there's high tolerance for NVH

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>>17574844

>>17596390
/thread

>>17596321
still haven't shown us a 60° V6 with a balance shaft. The LQ1 just has a blank dummy shaft in the middle where the pushrod camshaft would go.

>>17574844
The 3800 motor from gm is a reliable engine with good power,but alot of the gasket problems were due to dex cool failures,which was probably the shittiest engine coolant on the planet. I got a '94 Buick regal Gran sport with 120k on it,that an old lady owned and it runs like a dream,but like all engines in all cars,you get good ones and bad ones.It really does matter whether your car was built on a Monday or a Wednesday.lol

>>17596563
Ford Cologne V6 4.0L

>>17593885
90-degree V6 don't necessarily need a balance shaft to be balanced... they can have counterweights at opposite ends of the crankshaft to oppose fore-aft rocking motion. Cylinders are then balanced in pairs like a crossplane V8. This works a bit better with a V8 because no split-plane crank. Crossplane V8 is a special-case of the counterweight at 45-degrees to each crosswise pair perfectly balancing the entire motor. A 90-degree V6 is essentially two inline-3 at 90-degrees. They use the split-plane crank in a 90-degree V6 to basically achieve this in a V6 with even firing order every 120-degrees (a 90-degree "crossplane", even-fire V6 if you will). Each pair is offset 15-degrees either way from where the throws would be on a 60-degree V6, which is inherently even-firing because 360/6 is 60, but, has more harmonic vibration than the 90-degree V6. Audi and Mercedes use 90-degree (Audi because motor needs to be low in front of the axle and Mercedes because they needed something smooth enough to stop producing the I6. GM used it because hey why not use all these V8 parts on base model trucks, suvs, and... Buicks.
t. long-time B5 S4 masochist

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>>17597893
>Audi because motor needs to be low in front of the axle
can't make this shit up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZLYse15cj4

>>17596842
Cologne is aight but the 4.0 Sohc is a weird one... they used a Cologne block with a jackshaft where the camshaft would be in the centre of the block and then timing chains on both ends with no room at the rear to access and shit guides that break. Reason why 90s/2000s Explorers and Rangers are dirt cheap but 3.4 4Runners are not.

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>>17597912
Have you seen the hoodline on an old 5-cyl. like an UrS4 or Quattro? They look awesome and ridiculous... like imagine a 911 with an inline 5 sticking out it's ass... but backwards lol

>>17597935
reminds me of a cartoon bear for some reason lol

>>17578756
but si-r b16a's rev to 8600 and above 9k with upgraded cams. What u talking sbout

>>17574844
I have over 208k miles on my with no major engine failure so I am not bitching. Though dexcool is a shit and I bet that is what caused my waterpump to fail.

>>17596244
My bad. Pedantics aside, they were both under the same "f20c" article in the wiki.

I'm guessing they're a lot closer than a b16b is to a B18c.

>>17597957
>taking about something being undersquare or not
>"but the b16 revs high with mods "
Wut

>>17581025
bait

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>>17597935
>>17597948
oh and the Quattro isn't as noticeable for me (probably the only Audi I actually like besides the R8)

>>17577484
transmission I guess

>>17577606
>>17582156
people here used to do diesel conversions all the time on AP1800 VW engines

>>17598058
I was just baiting, I love hemis and can't stand ls engines. I don't get the phenomenon on here of saying ls swap everything when it makes more since to build an engine you already have, or if you're set on a swap, to swap in an OEM engine. There are people here who unironically think that an ls1 has more potential than a 426 hemi.

>>17598081
Many people are aware it's a huge meme and call out the LScucks though

>>17596390
legendary 4 cylinder performance engine. worth the risk crankwalk. also, didnt they fix the crankwalk issue?

>>17597893
So how much of a nightmare is a B5 S4 exactly?
I know they like to blow turbos around 100k and eat front control arms, any other major pains in the ass?

>>17599030
>any other major pains in the ass?
If you want to do virtually any work to it, the entire front end has to come off. Had an acquaintance with a 1.8L version who was always bitching about it. If the 1.8L Turbo was that big a bitch, I can only imagine how masochistic the S4 variant was

>>17599043
Yup, knew that too. Wanna change the timing belt? Off with the whole front clip.

At least they designed it to be taken off relatively easily.

>>17575026
If properly maintained its fine. If not properly maintained.. oh boy.

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>>17574844
I put 4.10 gears and a posi on my 3800 series II equipped camaro, and a put a 6.5L Turbo badge on it.

>literally every mustang's face when they realize I'm beating them off the line

>>17580008
Actually HorsepowerTV did a show on restoring one of these monsters.

They addressed all it's shortcomings. (short head bolts being the biggest failure point)

But pointed out the good about the engine as well as it's heritage in the GM line up and relation to the LS.

Bone stock they are crap but can be had for cheap.

>>17600533
>dat uma delicia face

>>17582396
Ford and Chevy owner and experienced mechanic who completely agrees with your post.

That's the most intelligent post I've read today, real vehicle forums included. Many internets to you and may nubile labia (or boipucci if you prefer) drape your knob while you quaff (or queef, if you prefer) a frosty libation.

>>17592041
If an animal chooses to commit humanality with a consenting human, who is anyone to judge?

If you want me, I'll be in my lab.

>>17574844
That's a great engine. The tranny they mated it to is fucking AWFUL though.

>unironic hemiposting in this thread

lol a hemi outtorques the fuck out of any small block chevy the same size at low RPMs, more fun

>>17602340
No

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>>17602327
Congrats, this is by far the most reddit-tier post I've read in the past 7 years, I hope you fucking kys you scumbag

>>17602391
I've posted 2 hemis in this thread. I love hemis and was fishing for (you)s. I also posted the k24a4.

>>17602607
>calls something reddit-tier
>posts reddit (((comedian)))

>>17602844
kys

>>17599030
Even if you haven't worked on anything much if you have the will to fix things and buy tools and parts instead of paying someone else to work on it you'll be fine. Mine's been pretty reliable other than aux. coolant pump. Stock turbos running Nefmoto Stage 2++ software, gutted downpipes, tuned for 94 oct, replaced all mounts/control arms/tierods, running coilovers but not dropped much, 034 TBB, filled the rear diffmount, muffler delete, Podi gauge, get the aluminum thermostat housing if you have a 2001, do the timing belt with the lock bar, do wp the same time...great community FB, Audizine and Nefmoto.

>>17599043
Makes it easier in a way, it's all in front of you and once you get the hang of it you can drain the coolant and remove front clip in 30 min.

A lot better than a transverse V6 timing belt imo

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Friendly reminder to avoid meme engines.

>>17603924
>fordshill posting
range ban alphonse when?

>>17575105
neck yourself my man

>>17577931
Did it really? I drove a 2015 Jetta with one, surprisingly nice to drive

>>17606293
Was it the twincharged 180hp version, or the regular turbo-only model?
The twincharged version specifically had fucktons of issues despite winning multiple "engine of the year" awards.

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>>17606312
>The twincharged version specifically had fucktons of issues despite winning multiple "engine of the year" awards.

>>17575038
vq30de was far superior to this, but this makes so much more hp

>>17575026
My saab 9-3 SS is on the shop right now, and im stuck driving a van... its been 3 weeks guys... im about to an hero

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>>17582318
Is that a m fucking 52? Cunts are shite tae bleed

>>17603924

is this a 5.4?

its a great engine, what are you on about

>>17609447
It's the same 3.8L supercharged GM V6 shown in the OP...

>>17577589
fuck you these are great

>>17610182
bait

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If it has these, it's automatically shit.

>>17578574
Neck yourself, that piece of history still runs like a champ

>>17581937
It was made to be comfy to drive for most people you neckbeard, enjoy your unreliable americuck engine

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>>17610733
Rods of the Gods? I may have heard of them.

>>17588963
>dafuq this engine really triggers my OCD

>>17610733
fuck off
PUSH RODS PUSH GODS

>>17610733
You wouldn't be driving anything if it weren't for pushrods, Not like you do anyways. Ships and trains use pushrods therefore pushrods are Gods.

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>>17580310
>>headstuds are literally helicoiled into the block

Yeah, because the block is aluminum, know what happens if you torque a steel fastener into an piece of aluminum that just has threads cut into it? You'll pull the fucking threads out. Literally the industry standard for fasteners in dissimilar materials.

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>>17613671
>You wouldn't be driving anything if it weren't for pushrods
WRONG

>>17613671
>You wouldn't be driving anything if it weren't for pushrods,
OHC existed long before pushrods anon/

>>17581499
>Inline six is worst six, deal with it.
yet MB just shited V6's and started to make inline 6's

>>17581499
enjoy your inherent imbalance, cuck

>>17582277
Just zap the ring with water, not rocket science.

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>>17614766
>inherent imbalance
oh hi. Just walking through

>>17614798
Does that have direct injection?

>>17614837
newer ones do.

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overrated shit

>>17614984
>le so random xd ebin
go back to /v/eddit

>>17615003
>le ebin grumpy 4chan serious poster xd
do you expect us to not know where you come from? you have to go back

>>17614984
>>17615003
>>17615012
get a room

>>17592293
don't you have some dogs to fuck and some spinouts at 5mph to do?

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>>17612196
>>17610919
>>17613671
>pushrod cucks being this delusional

>>17615627
Triggered?
Lmao

>>17574844
I'm going to have to counter signal this pretty hard my buddy picked up a regal gs for 2 grand bought a turbo kit that came with everything for 3.5k and it hit 410whp and it flies I really like this motor a lot even though I have a 4.6l

>>17610918
Every other country accomplished engines made to be comfy dipshit, germans just wanted to be different and over-engineer it for the same effect.

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rate my engine

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>>17596195

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>>17613671
>Ships and trains
Literally who cares? Massive engines that turn at 100 rpm can get away with using shitty pushrods.

And I do drive DOHC MASTERRACE.

>>17618648

i can hear the piston slap from here

>>17618648
how're the intake gaskets? Beyond that, it's an ok reliable engine. Makes a nice noise with an exhaust too

>>17618648
Pancake manifold/10
Seriously, how does that engine even breath?

>>17574920
Now this really is an undeniable piece of shit.

>>17619956
The intake manifolds actually flow quite well. They're worlds better than the old 2.8L and 3.1L MPFI intakes.

>>17619970
I don't believe you

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>>17619977
On the left is 1993-1999 lower intake manifold. On the right is 2000-2005.
Still better than the older manifolds

>>17574957
>The worst is the 2.7l Chrysler v6

+1 internets.

engineers decided to route the exhaust directly under the (shallow as fuck) oil pan. Wonder why there were over half a million engines destroyed by sludge.

Chrysler bankruptcy and sale wiped the class action suit for good, and everyone with a fucked stratus ate the cost.

>>17582482
Bait

>>17610196
Auto Trannies were awful on them though

>In b4 Autotragic

>>17614757
There v6's are pretty strong except for the time they used cheese instead of metal on the m272s balance gear.

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As long as it runs. It's not a shit engine