Redpill me on the horizontally opposed twin (the 'boxer').

subaru

>>17550471
The COG is a meme because of the exhaust headers and wet sump. The WRX I drove felt very unbalanced at idle. I don't know if it was just that specific WRX.

>>17550471
Awful to work on and takes up lots of space for no real measurable advantage

>>17550478
This, they put the engine on the front subframe so they can drop the whole engine to work on it.

>>17550471
>redpill me on x

No. Fuck you. Google it. Read up on the basic principles and how it differs from other engines.
Read and make your own understanding of how it works, and what pros and cons it has.
See some unknown term or part you haven't a clue what it's for? Google that one too.
Then you can come here and start a thread. Preferably something better than "please spoonfeed my lazy ass".

>>17550471
Wanna be "unique"? Enjoy paying other people to do your own work? Do you like vaping and flat brimmed hats? Is anyone who disagrees with you or challenges your views a "hater"? Then it's the choice for you.

>>17550485
Get a load of this fag

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>>17550477
>wet sump
Lol Subarus

>>17550483
inb4 porsche rear H6

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>>17550773
>>17550483
Well there is plenty of room to work on a 911 engine

Hard to work on is also a Meme.

Subaru engines are easy to work on, don't listen to these morons.

>>17551487
the fuck are you talking about, I've worked on them and it's fucking shitty as all hell.

>>17551506
The only thing you work on is a dog's asshole

>>17551514
And cars, trucks, motorcycles, side by sides, boats, or pretty much anything

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>>17551514
HOLY FUCK

DOGFUCKER BTFO

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>>17551557
Except for the part where he's wrong about subarus being easy to work on lol

>>17551514
Made me laugh

Let us know what is hard to work on in a Subaru?

>>17551506
or you're just incompetant.

>>17551579
>except for the part where I actually fuck dogs

there, fixed it

how sad

>>17551514
B-B-B-BTFO

>>17551596
Or engines just shouldn't be laying flat inside an engine?
>>17551587
Changing a simple O2 sensor for one, I had to cut a wrench in half and weld it back together to get it down into the bottom of the engine bay to get the sensor out, you can't get at it from under the car and getting at it from above requires that you make or buy a special tool.
Also, valve cover and head gaskets lol

>>17551613
>i know more than porsche's engineers because i only understand LSX engines

>>17551613
>implying the opinion of wrenchmonkeys matter

you do understand engineers do not care about you right?

>>17551618
What the actual fuck are you even saying?
I've rebuilt more engines than you've ever touched lol

>>17551625
Especially subaru engineers lol holy shit they are bad

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>>17551613
What turbo car isn't a cunt to work on? They have a fuck ton of more stuff packed into the engine bay.

Try O2 on NA Subaru, easy as fuck, can access from top or bottom of the car.

Also, wrench on an O2 sensor? Are you dumb?

Don't need need to jack up the car to do it on NA model... it's right by the front right drive axle, unplug the sensor, and use long extension to remove it.

>>17551613
So it was hard because you didn't have the right tool? I'm not surprised.

>>17551641
It wasn't even turbo, it was NA lol
Yeah good luck getting that socket in there, you'd have to pull the entire exhaust system off to use something like that on the O2 sensor.
You obviously aren't working on the same car that I was.
BTW I own one of those sockets already, so stay btfo

>>17551514

Fucking Savage

>>17551645
yes let's have every single part on the car need a special tool, that way you have to run to the dealer every 10 minutes to buy a 100-300 dollar tool to remove an O2 sensor or a motor mount or something.
Sounds great dude.

Pros:
Low centre of gravity
Only slightly longer than a transversely mounted inline engine, putting the centre of mass closer to the axle
Allows for symmetrical AWD systems
Bretty gud balance, allowing a lighter rotating assembly, therefore more rev happy
Sounds nice

>Cons
Wide as fuck, arguably less efficient packaging than a V4 or VR4 (yes, Lancia made VR4 engines)
Ballache to work on due to tight packaging. Cylinder head components are the main problem.
Double the amount of heads compared to an I4

>>17551626
>lol

>>17551662
>Only slightly longer than a transversely mounted inline engine
Why is that a pro?
That's not a pro lol
>Allows for symmetrical AWD systems
So does an I4, just nobody seems to want to put them in the right direction.

>>17551647
The exhaust drops off with 6 bolts, and 4 rubber hangers, doesn't seem like a big deal to me, especially if you have it on a hoist already.

>>17551663
You're like CNN and trump lol
>HE GOT TWO SCOOPS OF ICE CREAM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>17551665
The headers not the catback

>>17551664
I meant it to be a pro compared to a symmetrical AWD system with a longitudinal I4 or longer engines (Audi)

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>>17551669
Entire exhaust on NA model comes off like that.

>>17551653
You'd probably have more money for parts if you weren't buying condoms to use on fido every night.

>>17551514
hahahhhhahahahahahahh

>>17551679
>rubber hangers
>on headers
No.

>>17551681
>implying I would EVER use a condom EVER
barebacking is life

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>it's another "the furfaggot sprgs out of control" episode

>>17551704
If people weren't so dumb this wouldn't ever happen, it's unfortunate

>>17551694
>the entire exhaust
lrn2read fucking caninophile.

>>17551694
>entire exhaust
>as in not just the headers

>>17551694
You're a retard.

6 bolts on the exhaust flanges bolting to the block.

4 rubber hangers, 2 infront of muffler, 2 on muffler.

Of course they're not on the headers, do you even know what a car is?

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>>17551708
>spins out of control at 5mph
>calls anyone dumb

holy shit the furfag is getting buttblasted all over this thread

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>>17551716
>bolting to block
>headers bolt to the head
>he says do you even know what a car is

>>17551786
Why did you ignore this post?
>>17551721

>>17551786
Ok. That doesn't make you any less wrong.

>>17551786
It was too late to fix it once I noticed.

At least I'm not the one fucking dogs.

>>17550474
faggot

>>17551799
>>17551800
>>17551807
>>17551812
lol all these (you)s holy shit
On top of that, the dude here who thinks he's a subaru expert doesn't even know what fucking car I was working on and he thinks he knows it like the back of his paw or some shit.
Priceless how asspained you are lmfao

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>>17551514
MUM GET THE CAMERA

>>17551827
>I was only pretending to be retarded

>>17551827
>Implying you even work on cars...

Hot Wheels has you hanging their cars on the hooks at Walmart?

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>>17551844
>headers bolt to the block

>>17551845
Yeah, I don't work on cars lol, only done a hand full of engine swaps and a couple dozen rebuilds

>>17551862
Exhaust manifolds bolt to the heads.

>Implying Subaru has headers on it.

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>>17551926
lol look at this assblasted dude right here
>i-i got you!

>>17551936
That's a Fox dude, I thought you only butt blasted dogs?

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>>17551962
>d-dogfucker! (sniffles)

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>>17551936
not him >>17551926 but this isnt the first time you come off as a pretentious faggot here

>>17551976
It's what I do best.

I still don't know why this guy is crying about Subaru being hard to work on.

>>17552000
Because he's an incompetent furry shitposter who's never worked on a car in his life.

>inb4 another photo of his neighbours car or whatever and the obligatory "stay mad lol"

>>17552000
Because the fucking engine is laying flat out lmao
>guys lets make it so the engine has 2 head gaskets instead of one and lets make it so you can't do anything at all to them without pulling the motor
>i bet people will defend this retardation too!

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>>17552011
Hahha

Subaru tranny is even easy to work on internally.

>>17552015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yakX-GAV9uE

Yeah OK.

>>17552015
>you can't do anything at all to them without pulling the motor

I own a Subaru and this is 100% false.

>>17552011
>you haven't worked on anything, it's all an elaborate ruse!
This is beyond meltdown, this is just schizophrenia or some shit lol

>>17552020
>his glass trans blew up
lol figures

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its way faster because since its sideways it dont got gravity fighting it

>>17552045
280k KM on it.

Nothing blew up, a bearing quit.

Was repaired before it caused any damage.

$50 parts and a few hours labour.

Bearing died because nobody ever changed the oil in the tranny.

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>>17552062
funny my honda trans lasted like 500k km on the original trans fluid and that car is known to has shit glass trans, sad
I'm thinking the fluid wasn't the cause

>>17552140
>goes 500k kms without changing tranny fluid
>claims he knows shit about cars
What the actual fuck are you diagnosed with?

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>>17550485
You put lots of effort into teling him to fuck off. You could have red pulled him in half the time.

>>17552173
I bought the car like that
Tell me why you put 280km on your gearbox without changing your oil? ;)

I like how Mrcummy is Alphonse tier shitposter that actually works on his cars, I'll give credit where it's due he's not as dumb ad angry spergs make him to be

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>>17551487
They have to be easy to work on. WRX daily piston changes need to be quick or the vape market would crash.>>17551506

>>17552198
I'm pretty sure I can go 280km without filling up on gas

>>17552198
Because it was lady driven... aka, no maintenance done to it.

>>17552285
This.

>>17551625
They'll care when their car breaks.

>>17552000
i ment the tripfag seems like a total douchebag, not you

>>17552327
Oh, Haha.

You know what's hard to work on? Chevy Astro van...

>>17552140

I thought Honda manuals required regular fluid changes.

>>17552385
He just doesn't know its the third trans in the car.

>>17552402

Meh

My shitbox Astra has over 400k kms on it, I only started topping up the box oil because it started leaking. I guess this counts as a fluid change.

>>17552385
It's an auto, 2000 accord

>>17552385
All transmissions require regular fluid changes

>>17552506

Most manual transmissions don`t have it as a maintenance item, its supposed to last the lifetime of the car, whatever that is. They dont usually even have a drain hole.

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>>17552140
>500,000km without a trans fluid change

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>>17552529
Lots of companies are doing this now, transmissions, auto or manual, have no way to check fluid level or add fluid.
They have stickers right on it saying "fluid to last lifetime of car"

>>17550478
Shut the fuck up furfag, stop talking out of your ass. They're not nearly as hard to work on as everyone parroting the same meme over and over seems to think. Try actually doing it for a change, everything I've done to mine was piss easy.

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>>17552631
And yet people still change them out because they aren't retards

Porsches have lifetime coolant but people still flush the system every few years, otherwise this'll happen

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>>17550471

It's shit

>>17552662
>Try actually doing it for a change, everything I've done to mine was piss easy.
I did try, that's what I said in the fucking post, are you blind?
I used to work at a shop, I've worked on tons of fucking cars.
As well as running another different shop for over a year.

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>>17552692
Well then get good because I've done everything including headgaskets to mine and there was nothing hard about any of it. How bad at wrenching can you get lol.

>>17552692
You didn't work on shit you lying dog fucker

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>>17552705
lol wow cool pic you must be awesome!

>>17552706
Nice schizophrenia

Do you need special tools to drop a subaru engine?

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>>17552706
I'm busy making a custom gas tank for my moped right now hence the slow replies

>>17552777
No, nothing different from any other car

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>>17551514
Beautiful

holy fk that guy just got blown the fuck out

>>17552779
>inb4 you blow up

>>17552779
Just buy a Grom faggot.

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>>17552871
Groms are cool but I like tuning mopeds, it's fun.
I converted this one from 50cc air cooled to 74cc water cooled by decking the block by hand like 3.5mm to match the stroke of the scooter kit to my moped cases, matched the transfers to the water cooled kit, custom hand wound CDI coil and 24mm carb with reed intake etc etc

>>17552906
You didn't do any of those things.

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>>17552927
nice schizophrenia

>>17551514
Why do i keep seeing this what did i miss

>>17552949
Nothing, anon thought he was being clever then it got samefagged to hell and back

>>17552906
Still 6.32 hp?

It's not a CT90 Postie bike, so it's lame.

>>17552955
Stock it was 1hp, I dyno'd it at 12.5 which isn't bad for a stock scooter kit that cost 70 dollars, didn't even touch the exhaust or transfer ports.

The cool thing about converting the cases to scooter kits is I can slap a 20hp horizontal minarelli scooter kit on it and blast like hell.

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>>17552955
Also, it's a honda hobbit, same brand as a postie but not a postie.
posties are cool in their own way but small 2 stroke engines are where it's at when it comes to tuning and tinkering.

>>17551708
>I'M not the dumbass, LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD IS

>>17552983
Honestly, when you look at most of the posts on here, can you really say I'm wrong ?

>>17552954
>samefag
Keep telling yourself that

>>17552954
>g-guys, stop! i-i don't fuck dogs! y-you're just samefagging!

>>17553062
Yes.

>>17553076
Then you're one of the retards, sorry.

>>17553092
Does anyone actually like Mrcrummy? Like, literally anyone on this board?

>>17553101
No

>>17553101
Nope, he's a shitter who has no idea what he's talking about.

>>17551587
when I was in japan. it was cheaper to buy another used subaru legacy GT wagon. then to get the clutch on mine replaced.

>>17553101
Honestly, he's not bad at all in person. He's attended a few S/o/Cal meets and he seems pretty alright. It's a shame that he turns into such a massive faggot behind a keyboard.

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>>17553113
That's because they cost like 200$ over there

>>17553128
I meant personality and behavior wise.

>>17553149
Someone with good behaviour wouldn't spin out doing 20mph in perfect conditions

>>17553162
You know what I meant, dipshit.

>>17553167
Nice behaviour

>>17553115
Don't tell me you don't become more of an asshole on 4chan. I think most of us can relate to that.

>>17553101
Ofc course, people tell me all the time on here they love me, they also tell me they hate me.
Apparently I'm pretty polarizing ;)

>>17553188
He seemed downright shy at his first meetup. It was almost like talking to a completely different person.

>>17553203
>autistic shitposter can't make eye contact in person
Wow

>>17553101
God no. Can't drive for shit, types annoyingly with furry shit, greasy haired cavedwelling motherfucker, has no idea what he's talking about mechanically yet thinks he does, TRIPFAG for no reason, engages in rampant shitposting constantly when not trying to talk about mechanical stuff.

>>17553255
Holy shit look at this asspain, what a load of shit lol
>>17553229
Things that never happened

>>17553259
Case in point. A normal person could just type "am I really that unlikable?" But you type LOL ASSPAIN insteas.

>>17553201
Explain this please, how do you spin an old FR family sedan?
>>17553128

lol the dogfucker sperg'd hard

>>17553113
Same is true in Canada...

$600 Labour, + $300 parts.. + tax, you can get working Subaru for that price...

>>17550471
its not very good, the only advantage is the low center of gravity, but you could just lay an inline 4 on it's side and get the same cg without the stupid features of a boxer
>very wide, poor packaging
>oil has no natural flow to the sump
>heavy because 2 cylinder banks that are far apart from each other
>exhaust and intake design sucks due to combining two flows that are opposed to each other

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>>17551514
Get fucked

>>17550477
Haven't really been in a smooth idling vehicle before, period. The Boxer feels substantially smoother at 2k+ compared to V layouts.

Newer vehicles feel smooth idling but that's about it.

>>17550478
I wouldn't say awful, but get use to pulling the motor out. Saves a ton of frustration. First Subaru I owned I did head gaskets with the engine in the car as I was afraid to pull the engine out. I'll never do that again.

>>17550474
Don't expect reliability from a Subaru, OP. Original 2.5 in my GT experienced the infamous ring land failure, the JDM EJ2.0 has a terrible knock, and I'm waiting on another JDM EJ right now while I finish rebuilding the original 2.5. For whatever reason I started out with a budget rebuild in mind, but I've gone way overboard already. I'm blaming /o/.

I've driven domestic products harder with longer play times. Even my 85 Nissan took more abuse.
>Love. It's what makes Subaru, a Subaru.

>>17550563
Everyone I know that owns a Subaru does their own work. Probably because labor rates on a Subaru are ridiculously expensive.

>>17551487
This. Find a friend with small hands.

>>17551506
You don't have a garage. You use your kitchen, which is completely filthy, because "I'm a man!"

>>17553101
I don't like him. There's no reason for him to trip. However, even though I dislike him, he at least does /o/ related activities besides shitposting.

>>17553296
Unfortunately only partially true in the US.

>>17553396
>Don't expect reliability from a Subaru, OP. Original 2.5 in my GT experienced the infamous ring land failure, the JDM EJ2.0 has a terrible knock

Then explain all of the 300k+ Subarus out there. Daily reminder that engines don't just fail on their own.

>>17553454
Local guy going on 500k on his with an Auto.

His alternator just died for the first time.

Apparently if he makes it to 500k he's going full STI swap.

>>17553062
100% yes you canine cocksucker

>>17553115
t. MrCummy

>>17553529
Stay assblasted

>>17553203
Autism will do that to you. Why do you think he's so socially inept here?

>>17553533
>Implying I'm mad and not just abrasive
I may be a jackass, but at least I don't pound hounds

>>17553516
>500k
>His alternator just died for the first time.

Either he hasn`t owned it for that long, or his alternator is made from some expensive space age shit.

>>17553567
Mines got 300k and original alternator...

>>17553454
>Then explain all of the 300k+ Subarus out there.

...several engines, tranny swaps and dozens of headgaskets late later.

>>17553542
Things that never happened
>>17553560
Neither do I

>>17553573

Well so is mine at 400k (kms). EVEN THOUGH its been refurbished several times...

>>17553580
Or they're not driven by retarded fuckboys that beat on their cars like enraged chimpanzees.

>>17551506
yeah but you're a little bitch and everyone here knows it.

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>>17553605
>posts drake
Faggot

>>17553580
300k, only on second starter, and second transmission, second set of struts, second set of wheel bearings... couple sets of brakes

Original HG, they don't even leak oil...

Power steering rack is going for a shit though pretty sure.

Not bad for a car we owned 3 years, and doubled the mileage on.

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>dogfucker is raging this hard

lol

>>17553396
>First Subaru I owned I did head gaskets with the engine in the car as I was afraid to pull the engine out. I'll never do that again.
I'd an hero before I attempted that desu senpai.

Out of Alphonse,soviet,prezo, I'd gladly hang out with Cummy, at least he doesn't spam or beg for attention. It's nice he actually works on and owns cars unlike those busriding poorfags

>>17553617
Ok MrCumdump

>>17553656
t. his fellow dogfucker

>>17553657
>>17553680
>anyone who disagrees with me is Mr. Cummy

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>>17553656
Thanks senpai I'm sure we'd have fun working on shit :3
>>17553657
Not me
>>17553680
Not me

>>17551554
don't forget dogs

>>17553686
I never said you were the dogfucker himself, I said you were another dogfucker

>>17553656
Yeah, I like posting my Fiat for the shitstorm it brings but he works on all his own stuff and likes Mexican Coke, so he can't be all that bad. Plus he has good taste in land barges.

>>17553702
>anyone that is indifferent with Mrcummy is a "dogfucker"
I think you're angry he gets more (YOU)'s than you without begging for attention

>>17553454
You can baby a Northstar and claim it's reliable.

A 350 or 5.0 will handle WOT for extended durations. A 2.2 ecotec or a Ford 4.9 i6 will handle more abuse than anything Subaru has pushed out to production. Even the 2.5 Iron Duke will be okay with consistent WOT.

>>17553573
Have you owned the car since it was new?

>>17553594
If you can't beat on something and utilize it to it's fullest extent, it's not a reliable engine.

If 60% throttle is as much as the engine will handle reliably, then it's not reliable. It's pushed way beyond what it can handle for a numbers game.

I love Subaru's, but let's not pretend they're reliable.

>>17550474
thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n73PljEYVIw

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>>17553750
It's ok mrcummy. Not everyone hates you here.

so long as we're talking about reliability, I used to have a 1999 Pathfinder and that 3.0 Nissan V6 was fucking bulletproof. Ancient too, I had a friend with an 89 Nissan truck with the exact same engine, but man did it just go.

>>17550471

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKlRL1SwXTA

>>17553753
Only the vast, vast majority.

>>17553725
By that logic if I throw my dog off of the roof and it dies, it's just not a reliable dog. There are plenty of dogs that could have survived that drop. My dog's death is in no way my fault.

>>17553802
Stay mad busrider

>>17553893
Utilizing something to its fullest extent and doing something it was never intend for are completely different things. You made a terrible analogy and you should feel bad.

>>17553896
But he's not wrong. Also why are you using a trip code? Your identity is irrelevant in the context of this thread.

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>>17553717
>you must be a dogfucker, only dogfucker would defend another dogfucker

>more (You)s
please, do you know who you are talking to

>>17554145
Because he's an attention whore

>>17551694
I don't even own a Subaru and this is great. screenshotting for the next "I was only pretending to be retarded" thread xdd lol. I'm sure your car was special friend. did you spin out the Subaru too? lololol

>>17554122
My analogy is fine. Most engines aren't deigned with autists playing racecar all day long in mind. Moreover, bad driving habits aren't just using more than 60% throttle. It's not lugging the engine. It's not launching the car at every stoplight and then flatfoot shifting through every gear. Like I said before, engines don't destroy themselves.

>>17551506
>hurr durr imma do something the wrong way and complain when its hard :dddddd
You also managed to spin a 90hp volvo at parking lot speeds. I'd hardly count you as an automotive expert.

>>17553396
My forester went 300000 miles and the only thing that started to go was the lmao headgasket. It wasn't even bad enough to warrant replacing until I put it into a pole.

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>>17554269
>>17554122
>>17553893
>>17553725
>>17553454
>Not playing because racecar everyday for every drive
>Buying unreliable no fun garbage

Money isn't a problem I'm about to buy a wrx should I even waste my time?

>>17550471
it punches power right to the wheels!!!

>>17555312
What year/gen were you thinking of?

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>>17551514

>>17552944
>schizophrenia
You don't actually know what that word means, do you?

>>17550477

They are just very rumbly engines. I thought my moms STI was misfiring but apparently the rumbly idle is normal.

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>>17551514
haha bitch

A boxer engine can technically be almost as smooth as its inline counterpart, while still saving longitudinal space, having more torsional rigidity, and having a really low center of gravity
Also since they're shorter, they have less cam/crankshaft under lugging (which you shouldn't do anyway)
The problem is that they are really wide (why you mostly see boxers up to 6cyl instead of anything else) so they are a bit difficult to make an engine bay for, and they get "difficult to work on" because the engine bay isn't as wide as people wish, but if the engine is on a wider bay, or outside the car or whatever its the same thing as any other engine.
They can be built to perform like heaven (I.e. porsche 700hp 911 gt2).

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>2017
>Not swapping in a 5 liter 4 banger with no muffler that makes 150 rampaging horses while serenading everybody for miles around with its sound

>>17557669
Whoops, 5.25 liters.

>>17550478
>what is smoothness

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AYO HOL UP
*blows headgasket
YOU BE SAYIN
*understeers
FINNA
*Burns oil
WE BE LIKE
*loses torque
KNOWHAHIMSAYIN
*Trunk sticks
YO
*Quarter panel rusts off
WE WUZ RALLY AND SHEEIT

>>17554323
>until I put it into a pole.

The fate of every single Subaroo

>>17557897
'twas a jaywalking nigg who ended my first Poobaru

>>17559530
Did you hit a pole too

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>>17551514
Holy shit

>>17559530

That must’ve been a big nigg, bruv

>>17551514
Excellent post. Include me in the screen cap.

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>>17551514
gg