Why does /o/ hate this car so much? >2door >RWD >Manual

I hate the boxer. Supercharge it and kiss your warranty goodbye.

>>17543769
>Yes, it's a little under powered
Slower than a Camry

>>17543781
So the same as any other engine?
>>17543769
Or just enjoy it. I don't see /o/ talking a out how Miatas HAVE to have F/I but the toyobaru must for some reason.

>>17543786

So was the S2000 yet no one bitches about that

>>17543794
Same p/o/o/r faggots circle jerk around twingo.

>>17543769
>>17543781
>>17543786
why would you want to power the thing, it's not meant to be fucking powered because it wouldn't have the handling to make it up.

>>17543769

/o/ hates it because they are mostly a bunch of poors who have to drive the most mundane, souless piles of dogshit.

The Toyabaru is JUST out of reach for some of them, and they are so frustrated and/or asspained that they will never, in their lives, own anything that isn't already rusting. So they lash out, and try to hurt the thing they secretly love, but can never have.

>>17543797
I do. If you don't rev to 9k it may as well be a Civic. What a piece of shit.

>>17543769
I like the 86s, they're one of the best looking cars you can buy new right now IMO. Sure they aren't that fast but they're still pretty fun.

>>17543811

kek

>>17543814

Confirmed for never having driven an S2000. The car is fun as fuck. Or maybe you have no clue what you're doing behind the wheel. I'm gonna bet it's both.

>>17543803
They put Prius tires just to get it to oversteer.

>>17543794
Boxer takes up too much space. That's why you can't turbo it without re tard amounts of effort.

>>17543781
>Supercharge it and kiss your warranty goodbye
So, the same as literally any other new car?

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>tfw really want to like it but the 370z exist

the griffon concept is pretty good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Tue_zyMQI

>>17543811
>poors who have to drive the most mundane, souless piles of dogshit
No thanks. I'll keep driving my Lexus and laugh at you every time I blow past your homo meme car.

I got this theory, hear me out.

Basically all cars are going to be hybrids from here on out, by 2020 you will have no choice. So the cars coming out now are the final bows of pure petrol engines and their history. Basically going out with a bang and creating the final homages to the greatest cars of the past century.

The Volvo v60 Polestar is a nod to the swedetanks of the 80s and 90s.
The Hellcat is a nod to over the top muscle cars.
Etc etc

The BRZ is a nod to rice culture. They're not a car, theyre a canvas. When the price drops a little bit the fun will begin. You will see insane engine swaps. You will see bodykits. You will see modified suspension. You will not see any stock brz's by 2025.

Dont look at it for what it is but what it can be. The boxer is just a placeholder.

>>17543834
I don't get why people go nuts over s2000, it was great when came out, I passed on buying one too many times.
Same with em1 and fg fa crap.
Get over it, they are slower then Camry now

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>>17543847
you can easily make like, 400 horses with just a nitrous kit and supporting mods hell with modern electronic system you can give it the same power curve as an LS

engine swaps in this day and age are a meme

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>>17543847
>Basically all cars are going to be hybrids from here on out, by 2020 you will have no choice. So the cars coming out now are the final bows of pure petrol engines and their history. Basically going out with a bang and creating the final homages to the greatest cars of the past century.

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>>17543811
No. I like the Toyobaru and tried to justify it when shopping. But for the same price it's got half the power my car has, less practicality, less features, and slower.

If it didn't have the boxer I would've bought it.

>>17543839
>prius tires
no they didn't

>>17543841
Or just buy literally any other car that make more than 200hp, doesn't have torque dip, and doesn't have Prius tires.

>>17543864
>he paid 30k for a decade old GM sedan

lol

>>17543860
obvious b8

>>17543803
>it's not meant to be fucking powered because it wouldn't have the handling to make it up
Lmao. So if you're telling me if they gave it 250 horsepower, it would just fly off the road?

>>17543839
Uh, what takes too much effort about it?

>>17543873
Have fun with your fwd boat then, what else is RWD at this price point?

Also, Prius tires is a meme, it's a 215/45/17 Michelin Primacy HP summer tire. What's so bad about that?

>>17543885
They aren't 2000-mile life supreme benchracing semislicks.

>>17543875
>facts are bait because they hurt my feelings

lol

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>>17543885
>>17543871
Apply yourselves shills.

>>17543864
I understand where you're coming from and I agree with the sentiment, but comparing used cars to new cars isn't a fair comparison at all, an old sportscar will almost always be significantly faster than a brand new car at the same price point. The people who buy brand new do so because they want a brand new car without some fat dudes ass sweat already impregnated in the seats, not because they want the best value.

>>17543878
No but the thing is meant to handle, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSq5Zb5ZNWY go to the end, it beats out dodge memes
>>17543893
>outside the US
>probably wants the tires to be fatter
you're actually retarded.

>>17543905
You still didn't explain your previous statement, which is incredibly stupid.

>>17543890
You aren't going to be getting a powerband anywhere close to a 5+ liter V8 in a 2.0L 4-cylinder with a nitrous kit and supporting mods, and if you actually think that you're fucking retarded. Post dyno sheet and source and I'll eat my words.

>>17543834
Stop responding to blatant shitposting

>>17543922
It's not shitposting. S2K literally feels like a slammed Civic if you're not molesting the engine.

>>17543929

>he can't tell the difference between a FWD coupe and a RWD roadster.

Do you even have a license? Get the fuck out of here.

>>17543905
>Beats Dodge memes
>Only if Randy Pobst is driving

Come on man.

>>17543911
which one?
if it's the handling, 205>250 in terms of handling, you need to know how to compensate.
otherwise the prius tires aren't the american prius tires, and they're meant to be S K I N N Y

>>17543857
>muh 0-60, muh quarter mile
I highly doubt you even do drag racing the s2000 and the 86/brz weren't meant for that if a camry is faster around a track and gives great driving pleasure then I'll agree with you

>>17543769
it looks like shit.

>>17543935
dude if you fucking spin out a trillion times it's not going to make a bit of difference.
>>17543944
no u

>>17543933
And yet you still gave him those delicious (you)s

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>>17543781
> Supercharge it and kiss your warranty goodbye.

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/misc/warranty/eforce.shtml

This changed my mind about getting a new BR-Z. If I get it i'll be having the supercharger installed on day 1 lol

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>>17543948
There's a reason why they put Randy in the BRZ and Miata while the Hellcat got the random driver that wasn't even wearing a helmet or taking it seriously. So you little weabos wouldn't get your pantsu in a twist.

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>>17543914
>i don't know what I am talking about
lol

>post dyno sheet
how about you start educating yourself on how progressive nitrous systems work instead? I cannot find an specific example that applies to the frs but every single progressive nitrous system with a correct tune can replica whatever powerband you want, pic related a v6 mustang with a progressive tune, it's not peaky because the nitrous isn't a single stage one

all you would need to do is inject the specific amount of air, fuel and nitrous all across the rev range,to match the power delivery of pretty much any n/a stock LS engine

seriously, are you fucking new or what?

>>17543939
Well how about they not use those gay tires and give it more power like literally everyone is fucking asking for?

>>17543954
keep projecting prez/o/

>>17543962
Full circle ladies and gentlemen.

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>>17543956
Goddamn that looks like ass.

I love looking at my LS2 Dyno after seeing V6 and i4 dynos. It's like the Mona Lisa to modern art.

>>17543814
>If you don't rev to 9k it may as well be a Civic
then rev it to 9k you fucking loser

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>>17543979
>I was talking to the cts-v cuckold all along
that explains why you are so retarded

Power is the first thing I look at in a car.

I can never justify spending all that money on a car with the power level of any random 4cyl, but needs premium fuel and takes to boost poorly.

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>>17543984
Guess again tard

>>17543941
>thinks power is only useful for literal drag racing
>what is effortlessly accelerating from a stoplight
>what is hauling ass on the freeway

Answer: Things an 86 can't do.

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>>17543993
top kek, is this really you Prez/poo/?

>>17543991
>Power is the first thing I look at in a car.

yea, because you're really going to be able to use all of that 400 hp on public streets!

>>17544006
It's about having the power on demand. I don't want a car I put too the floor and wait 5 seconds to accelerate to the speed I want. I already have a 192hp shitbox that performs about the same in a straight line, and I floor it maybe 20 times a day waiting for power.

ITT: bus riders talk about cars they've never driven

>>17544001
No. Just another butthurt weeb losing arguments. As I said earlier in the thread. I would have considered a Toyobaru if it didn't have a boxer.

>>17543983
>actually accepting having this small a powerband

>>17544014
>muh >=6 cylinders

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>>17544018
>>17544012
>I put too the floor and wait 5 seconds to accelerate to the speed I want.

>americans don't know what a manual transmission is

>>17544020
An i4 would've been acceptable. Would have made turbo a viable option. Also possibly better suspension. It had to go MacPherson strut to create space because the engine is so wide.

>>17544033
What the fuck makes a boxer 4 hard to turbo?
>>17544031
*some Americans

>>17544033
except subaru has the same fucking engine in turbocharged form making 300 horses in the levorg and you can have double wishbones with the boxer engine?????

are you retarded?????

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>>17543769
>Why does /o/ hate this car so much?
When we heard Toyota were making a sports car in conjunction with Subaru we all assumed it would have the turbocharged engine from a wrx or sti.
It would have been retarded to use an na boxer engine because they're shit.

And then they went and fitted the na boxer engine nobody wanted. Everyone hates it because it's not the car people were excited about. It's just a disappointment.

>pic (unfortunately) unrelated

>>17544006
Not everyone wants to redline everywhere like a high schooler. Blasting up an onramp using half throttle is still fun.

>>17544048
>not everyone knows how to use a transmission

ftfy

>>17544040
High compression. People have blown their engines getting 300hp via boost.

It has the same problem the 370z does, that thing takes boost like garbage too because high compression.

These engines are stressed from the factory and don't have much headroom. If it was a low compression 2.5L it would have sucked less cocks.

>>17544057
>barely 100hp/l
>stressed

lol

>>17544057
So something that has nothing to do with engine layout?

>>17544056
>doesn't like revving the crap out of a car just to make power
>can't drive a manual
literally wat?

>>17544018
The purpose of the transmission is to keep you in the power band you fucking loser

>>17544067
What's wrong with revving? It's a small little coupe, that's what you do.

>>17544068
I don't like how small the power band is, you dumb cunt. That has nothing to do with being good at manual.

>>17544040
>>17544042
I'm talking about actual space available in the engine bay you retards. Even on the WRX/STI Subaru has to put the intercooler on top of the hot fucking engine. There's simply no room for enjoyable wrenching or modding. But what would a bunch of benchracers know.

>>17544072
Even a Miata has more useful power band. I'd take that over an 86 or S2K.

>>17544079
But plenty of front mount STIs exist. A boxer 4 is actually shorter than an i4.

>>17544085
I'm confused. It's just located at higher RPMs. What is bad about that?

>>17544075
>staying in the power band has nothing to do with being good at using a manual
Bus riders need to stop posting

>>17544075
>what are gears

>>17544075
show us stock car that produces peak horsepower for more than 50% of the rev range

go ahead

>>17544079
>intercooler on top of the engine
because the whole engine sits in front of the front axle you dumb autist, something that doesn't happen on the toyobaru

you are fucking retarded lel

>>17544048

You don't need to redline any modern car to merge into traffic you buffoon.

Going VROOM VROOM on the on-ramp isn't as fun as curvy roads. Can't do that in your 4000 lb V8 landbarge.

>>17544093
>>17544094
>>17544095
>>17544100
TRIGGERED

>>17544104
>I was only pretending to be retarded

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>>17544104
>says dumb shit
>gets proved wrong
>"ur triggered!"

this is what happens when americans who don't know how to change gears post on /o/

>>17544045
>Everyone hates it
Wrong.

I quite like it. It's a sporty looking car, that's affordable to buy and drive.

>>17544088
>>17544100
There's clearly less engine space in the Toyobaru.

>>17543769
Because you can get a 3k civic and throw a couple grand at it and beat the shit out of it.

>>17544119
Toyota shill pls leave

>>17544129

>FWD

>>17544101
>You don't need to redline any modern car to merge into traffic you buffoon
Okay. We'll restrict your S2000 to say... 3,500 RPM's and see how it does lol

>Going VROOM VROOM on the on-ramp isn't as fun as curvy roads
Not in my opinion. Plus, most daily driving is straight roads, so...

>Can't do that in your 4000 lb V8 landbarge
Where were you when you learned that modern Mustangs and Camaros can turn?

>>17543769
>affordable.

Just get a mustang GT at that point or a used m3

>>17544152
>used
FRS is 10K in some cases buddy.
>mustang
>proceeds to can't turn

>>17544151
>Plus, most daily driving is straight roads

kek

not all of us live in a shitty flyover state

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>>17544151
> modern Mustangs and Camaros can turn?

they can't unless you buy the +50k ones, or mod them

In 15 years I'll buy one off craigslist for $2000, if gasoline cars aren't banned by then.

most of /o/ can't handle a car at the limit

>>17544151
>>17544151
I have driven cars with less power than an s2000 and never had to push it hard because cars are pretty efficient at moving doesn't take much power unless you're a little bitch who cant even manage to push start a car if it's dead

>>17543811
pretty much this. I had the gt86 in my price range but went for midengine corrolla instead since I give less fucks about an old car hated by everyone when I race it.
>>17543873
>O hi, billy mays here, today we're going to pretend that cars exist solely so you can buy them and go to fastlaps.com and look at its laptimes to brag about it on anonymous image boards.
kek benchracer.
>>17543900
You can buy gt86 used anyway.
>>17543991
I guess its an american thing that makes you glorify power and drag racing.
I picked my car because it is great around tight twisty tracks and has just enough power.And it doesn't even break 150 hp.
>>17543999
It goes plenty fast enough to change lanes after light goes green.
>>17544013
/o/ is just /n/ with different subject matter.
>>17544045
Wrong, everyone loves it. It's just the neet contrarian busrider benchracers that are the vocal majority, who know jack shit about driving outside flooring their parents automatic suv at stoplights.
>>17544151
>I am so btfo that I have to move goalposts and create an entire fictional universe where a car is limited to low end of its rev range for my argument to stay afloat
>entire world is american desert highway
yeah they can turn. Yet last time I went against one the stang driver got rekt so hard he quit halfway through.
Literally all he did after 2 stages was sit around and show everyone his engine and yet he scored one of the slowest times of the day. Got literally btfo by generic euro fwd econo 2stroke cuckboxkes.

>>17544228
>O hi, billy mays here, today we're going to pretend that cars exist solely so you can buy them and go to fastlaps.com and look at its laptimes to brag about it on anonymous image boards.
kek benchracer.

Explain how torque dip and 200hp on premium is fun.

>>17543769

>20k


I can buy a Corvette for that money and have a lot of fun

>>17544243
Because the car is light, rwd and fun with fantastic chassis and focus on handling and just enough power to let you punch up hard to porsches even.

If you think the gt86 isn't one of the most fun cars on the market and would rather have a minivan that beats it in 0-60 you should just accept that you're a worthless normie.

>>17544262
You can't buy a corvette for 20k. Not even for 30k, they start at 55k. You might get it at 50k if you're lucky.

>>17544269
I just went and got a LS powered car that's the same price and just as fun while also being fast and not needing pizza cutters for tires.

>>17544275
You can't get a Toyobaru for 20k either. He's clearly talking used.

>>17544276
Glad you enjoy the purchase.
How about you stop acting like the nigger who usually buys your car and realize going fast is all about the driver.

>>17544279
When hes talking used the prices should be around 12-16k not 20.
20k is price for brand new one if you take your time and pay cash.

>>17544269

#rekt

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I hate it because a V6 that toyota makes millions of would have fit in the engine bay and wouldn't have ruined the balance or handling and would have actually made the car thrilling with proper tyres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_GR_engine

Fuck Subaru

Ewwwww a supercharger.

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>>17544280
>It's not all about laptimes!
>Being fast is all about the driver not the car!

>>17544284
How? My car was at the same used price point, can take it to autocross like a Toyobaru but can so take it to the dyno or strip without being an embarrassment.

Am I the only person here who never tracks their car and doesn't give a fuck about lap times? I just want to blast down freeway onramps like a lunatic.

>>17544306
>autocross
Well at least its something but seeing what kind of bullshit autocross fags spew out trying to pretend they do actual tracking doesn't make me surprised you're so angry about gt86

>>17544324
Yes. You should try a track.

>>17544324
no, that's most of o.
Maybe like 1% does real track racing and trackdays
5% does autocross
20% do their own oil changes and oversteer off cliffs
and 74% browse fastlaps.com on the bus.

>>17544326
As I've stated many times my only gripe is the shitty Subaru engine.

>>17544334
>hates the engine on a lilghtweight rwd pure sports car
>proceeds to buy a shitty GM """"luxo"""landbarge
Something makes me think you didn't actually seriously consider gt86

>>17544269
I drive a Celica GT-S, it's the same shit as the gay 86 engine where I have to rev it up to 8.2K to make any power at all and runs 0-60 about the same speed, and it's a 200lbs lighter car.

The difference is my celica has a liftback and is a designated shitting box and was $5k labeled as such, while the 86 is still expensive and is still shitbox slow.

If I wanted to "have fun" in a sports car I would get a shitbox with at least 300hp, so I can have a power band above 70% throttle to use at different times instead of just having the pedal to the floor every single shift when I want speed and waiting for the car to do it.

>>17543885
>215s on a miata
>215 is too wide and it ruins the handling, you need skinny tires instead!
>215s on a toyobaru
>haha prius tires you need fatter tires for more grip!

now that the prices of used toyobarus are converging on miatas of the same age, they're starting to become good value.

>>17544330
i do real track racing and trackdays and i shitpost on /o/ on the bus too. come at me

>>17544336
I didn't get it because of the Subaru engine. How are you not understanding this? Comparing the two cars the CTS-V was everything the BRZ/FRS could do and more.

>>17544353
>"CTS-V was everything the BRZ/FRS could do and more"

get real

>>17544341
>worst gen celica driver is sour grapes at gt86
pfft
No wonder you're salty if mrs with its non 2zz reks you everywhere and is way more fun

>>17544341
>I drive a Celica GT-S
opinion discarded

>>17544353
>Comparing the two cars the CTS-V was everything the BRZ/FRS could do and more.
kek.
I wonder how gt86 would be if it made same power as cts-v

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>>17544382
One way to find out.

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man this cts-v cuck pisses me off so much lol, he is always posting his shitty barge in every thread

should just get a trip so I can filter him

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>>17544402
>10k for a swap when a $700 nitrous kit delivers the same results

>>17544440
>How to spot a busrider: the post

>>17544448
>how to stop a car throttle cuck, the post
see >>17543956

a nitrous kit adds less than 50lbs, and the weight can be distributed along the car so that it doesn't affect balance, a LShit swap adds like 200lbs

>>17544475
Nitrous your car and let us know how that goes for you. You still have to do all the other hard work as if you're adding forced induction. Such as upgraded fuel pump, injectors and a tune. Eventually it will become a poor investment as it costs a fill up every time.

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>>17544486
>2k for new pistons and rods, 100 for studs, 100 for headgaskets, 500 for a new fuel pump and lines, 700 for a tank, gas and wet injectors, 1k for a progressive controller
>poor investment
yeah, because a 15k engine swap that fucks up the balance, and has no AC or power steering is a better one lol

>as it costs a fill up every time.
you get to keep the original gas mileage, so what you save in fuel can be used for nitrous

you seem rather clueless

People who have nice enjoyable cars don't feel the need to hate on other nice enjoyable cars. It is entirely poorfags, bench racers and bus riders with much less powerful/no vehicles at all who hate on this and many other cars.

>>17543769
because all fagg/o/ts bench race on here and go to parking lot meets to talk about how great the V6 mustang while sucking each other off

>>17543905
Every bench racer needs to watch this. A 700 hp hellcat losing to an 86 and a miata by 10 whole fucking seconds

>>17544502
Sounds like a waste of money desu. I'd rather get lightweight wheels, good rubber and coils for gt86. Get some proffessional training and procceed to harass porsches around the track.

>>17544562
This.
I drive a nice car and only thing I hate is audis because I've never met a single person stepping out of an audi who hasn't been an insufferable cunt.

>>17543935
>CAR MATTERS LMAO LOOK AT 0-60 TIMES ON GT86 LMAO M I N I V A N
>their darling car with darling 0-60 times gets completely fucking destroyed

>NOT FAIR
Is toyobaru truly the greatest gift /o/ has received because it filters busriders and benchracers from people who actually know what motorsport is like?

>>17544568
Nightwave doesn't do that, they all love gt86 and many members do track racing and those who don't do at least cone dodging.

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>>17544502
Give your car a couple shots of nitrous and come back to me. I'll take a GTO motor or any ls swap kit over nitrous. I'll have good upfront torque and good power in the higher rpm. Couple bolt ones and tune I'll be rolling. Most swaps you can still have AC. Stop being a faggot and pick up a wrench.

>>17544658

I was going to write up a response, but pictures are worth a thousand words and all that. This is C&D's VIR Lightning Lap testing.

when FWD Shitboxes, Korean "sports cars", and a fucking seven year old live rear axle mustang can out-perform you in not only speed, but handling and lap times, it's time to commit vehicular suicide.

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>>17544757

Of course I forgot the pic

>>17543844
Your $3,000 lexus?

>>17544762
why do people care about stock car track times?
the brz was designed with prius wheels on it specifically so it goes out sideways easy, they handle great with a fatter set of tyres on them.

>>17544791

Always with the excuses. You can go sideways easily in a number of the cars on that list, with stock tires.

>>17544283
>$20k
>brand new Corvette

>>17544898
>muh lets compare brand new dealer bought car to an used piece of boomer trash
go neck yourself busriding retard

>>17543769
>affordable

If I am buying a car with those "features" I'm not going to drop $30,000 on it.

I bought a turd gen for $4000 and put another few into it and now I have a 3200lbs car with 400+ horsepower

>>17544283
>20k
>brand new

No, 25k is probably the lowest you'll get it. At most 22/23k, but 20k? No, not unless it has over 50k on it already.

>>17544502
Enjoy rebuilding your engine ever year.

>>17544599
Except the Hellcat destroys both of them on 0-60 and the quarter mile time. It wasn't designed to be raced on a track for fucks sake. Why can't retards understand this?

If you want dodge car to compare laptimes, go get the viper not the fucking challenger.

>>17543794
Actually ford and chevy will overlook blowers and turbos if your a good customer with a long dealer history.
I work for a chevy dealer in a high end suburb of chicago. We warranty Vettes that are full track cars.
cages,full suspension, engine work, slicks, gps trackers still in them. Hell they arent even plated. I still replace the torque tubes every few thousand miles after they completely destroy the bearings in them.

>>17544762
>2009 mini beats 2012 mini
>2007 Mazda speed 3 beats 2010 Mazda speed 3
>Brz beats 2008 Impreza WRX STI
>2011 Hyundai genesis beats R-spec 2013 Hyundai genesis R-spec
>2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS beats 2010 Mustang GT
What caused these results to exist? (Especially the last one)

>>17545148
Weight

>>17543769
>Yes, it's a little under powered
That's the problem
>but all you need to do is throw on a supercharger for a few grand
Oh it's that easy!? Just have a few extra grand laying around and you got power? Or I could just buy a nicer car that has that power already...
>pushing 300HP
Which means that you have to spend more than just a "few grand" more upgrading your drive train so it doesn't snap, the breaks so they won't fade, and a whole laundry list of other shit to do which means you end up putting about 10k into a 25k car, with NO assurance that your engine won't kaboom. You know what kind of cars you can buy for 35k? New Mustang GTs, used Camaro SS, used Corvettes, new 370z, new Focus RS, or a nice Miata.

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>>17545148
>GM shitbox beats Mustang GT
Ford shills will defend this

>>17545170
>a nice Miata.
This suffers the exact same problem as the 86. Good car but at 35k for a RF it's no longer a nice cheap roadster

>>17545148
>Especially the last one
The Cobalt SS Turbo is a wicked quick economy car sleeper. It was easily the best thing that Chevy had done during the mid-late 00's

>>17544762
>135i faster than the Shitwagen Golf R
VW fags forever and ever btfo by the only proper german car manafacturer.

also on the 86/BRZ front, i can think of a few cars that launched with the same power and there was never any complaints about the power. FN2 civic type R, Octavia VRS, Sirocco, various VAG shitheaps etc.

>>17545181
The base model with is all you really need though for a Miata though. It has an 3 decade heritage of being the most affordable roadster around. That's why people like it.

>>17545214
The problem isn't that it's equally as powerful compared to those cars, the problem is that those cars were released 10 years before the 86 and they had the same power back then.

>>17545126
Sorry, I don't drive in straight lines. If that's all you do then you are the retard here

>>17543954
>>17544608
>>17544599
Did you retards even read the thread? The Hellcat official time is 4 seconds faster than the Miata/BRZ/FRS
>>17543954

>>17543769
Its a car for kids and offers nothing compared to its rivals

>>17543769
Car is fine, owner's who think they're superior to everyone else because they bought one are too fun to fuck with though.

There's always some whiny BRZ owner saying that if you just swap out the stock tires you're running 9s quarter miles or something equally ridiculous. They have an inferiority complex that's fun to press the buttons of.

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Just face it, the car is comically under powered.

>>17545280
And the professional drivers all said they were much more fun to drive than the hellcat.

Good drivers like good cars, bench racing poorfags don't, no surprise

>>17545324
Keeps up with "muh vee eytes" and "I got a POWERUFL car" on track easily enough.
It has jsut enough power.

>>17545234
no way would i get the 1.5, it would be a step backwards for me. i don't know why people give the miata a free pass when it comes to lack of power but shit on the 86 for the same reason

t. owned 2 miatas

>>17545336
A roadster that emulates 70s british roadsters has a different set of expectations than a coupe trying to simultaneously be an 80s RWD sport coupe and play the handling game with the miata.

>>17543769
overhyped by /o/ because they think its fucking amazing and anyone who disagrees is a fucking benchracer

They think toyota put generic all seasons shit tires on it for sick drifts instead of toyota being lazy fucks.

>>17545343
So it having a roof makes it requires to have 300+ hp?

>>17543769
>26k new
>affordable

>super charger
>just void your warranty by adding a supercharger for 4k+ just to make it as fast as a regular WRX

>>17545343
It handles as well if not better than miat and it is faster than 80's rwd sports coupe.
Moreso it is the new replacement for 90's jap sports coupes for tuners and it reminds you just how goddamn fun cars are.

>>17545333
If you stuck the same driver in both cars the "muh vee eytes" would demolish the BRZ. It just can't keep up in the straights.

And no, nobody is fucking Takumi enough to make up that time in the corners.

>>17545352
>its designed for tuners!
>encrypted ECU
>void warranty if you fuck with the ECU

>>17545332
Same reason why they had a guy purposely drive 10 seconds slower around the track, it's all staged so Miata/BRZ owners don't get triggered.

>>17545332
>fun is an objective measurement

>>17545352
>Moreso it is the new replacement for 90's jap sports coupes for tuners
>high compression engine
stop talking out of your ass

>its a successor to the AE86
baseless retard bullshit I see in everyone of these threads

>>17545363
High compression makes power, what is the problem?

>>17545361
If enough people say something is "fun" or "more fun" than something else, then it can be said (not objectively mind you but objectivity is overrated) that one thing is more fun than the other.

>>17545367
HIGH COMPRESSION MEANS YOU CAN'T EASILY TUNE OR BOLT-ON SHIT WITHOUT BLOWING THE ENGINE

ALL CAPS AAAAAH

>>17545370
>If I appeal to a populus or authority that means its objectively true

Fun is not an objective measurement you dumb fag. Its a fucking opinion, do I really have to explain to you the difference between opinions and facts like its kindergarten?

>>17545375
Not really, the FA20 in the BRZ is the same FA20 in the WRX and the WRX turbo does 13psi stock so it can definitely take more compression.

>>17545333
Who cares about tracking a road car?

I really like the way the car looks, but there's no way I'd buy a sub 200hp sports car in 2017 when there are so many better options.

>>17545357
I'm sure they stage some lap times but that guy is just not as good a driver

For the same price as a BRZ I'd rather buy a WRX thats faster and better in every way

>>17545378
it is you dumbass, my car has 78 funs

>>17545381
No, it has different pistons and I think rods. Block is the same though.

>>17545389
yea well by GT86 has exactly 86 funs per liter

>>17545390
Should be the same pistons, rods, intake and exhaust are different tho.

Regardless you could take the turbo WRX's engine and throw it in a BRZ with the WRX's ECU and get effectively a RWD WRX

>>17545378
So you would claim a Camry is more fun to drive than a Miata? Or are you just triggered

>>17545406
don't put words in my mouth you dumb faggot Its a fucking opinion.

>>17545406
Yea the camry has more funs per liter than a miata and 2 extra fun cylinders too

>>17545395
Yes, but Toyota should do it so we don't have to.
Thats the whole fucking point of this thread and every thread before it.

The fan boy faggots fan club says
>"b...b..but its a proper sports car"
Everyone else says
>"why isn't there a turbo version?"

>>17545420
>toyota should do it
well the car is 90% subaru so thats just one more dumb facet of the scam that subaru/toyota is charging virtually the same price for the WRX and BRZ but the BRZ is significantly worse in terms of performance.

>>17545420
It is a proper sports car. Deal with it.

>>17545408
Some cars are more fun to drive than others. That is a fact of cars and life

>>17545382
A lot of people track road cars. Vast majority on races I participate in are road cars. Some have mods but all gt86's are stock and they get really good times. They're driven by good drivers who care more about having fun. Despire that they still are placed in same group with 911's and shit.

>>17545420
>proper sports car
wtf does this even mean?
>Everyone else says why isn't their a turbo
for 26k I should be getting something more out of it. Either the car should be 3k cheaper or I should be getting better performance out of it.

Even then the car should be coming with wider, better tires not fucking all season prius tires.

>>17545430
>fun measurements are a fact

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>>17545429
Sounds like you're the one that needs to Deal with it

>>17545434
It performs great. Have you considered that maybe you are shit driver? Have you considered looking around for a better deal? You can get 3k off easy. I talked to a owner who got his for 6k off and he's not alone.
Or idk, how about you stop pretending like you're retarded and buy used?

>such a pathedic numale he doesn't know about tyre change
>>>/n/

>>17545439
I bet youre the same type of person who defends manual over automatic because manual is more "fun"

If that is the case then you must admit a BRZ is more fun to drive than the majority of cars

>>17545440
I'm not the one claiming a car that I don't like is not in a category I don't want it to be in.

>>17545439
bread on hood time chucklefuck

>Change the name to "NA/NB miata" and chop off 70hp
>BEST CAR EVERRRR

>>17545448
>pretends auto is more fun
kek
Bet your most exciting driving experience was a highway pull

>>17543893
>kik
Sow your feminine benis.

>>17543841
Actually if the dealership does the install on my supercharger, they'll warranty it.(16 ca.aro SS)

>>17545444
>It performs great.
Says you.
>you're a shit driver
oh man what a retort.
>looking around for a better deal
you aren't going to find a new BRZ for less than 25k theres no "better deals"

>you can get 3k off easy
No Toyota/subaru dealership will give away their BRZ for less than they paid for it.

>doesn't know a tire change
Yea changing tires is easy but if its so fucking easy why is toyota giving a "performance car" fucking prius tires
>inb4 drifting meme bullshit

>>17545448
>you must admit
I like how you have NOTHING but to put words in my mouth

>>17545457
I really doubt a subaru dealership will install your aftermarket supercharger.

>>17545454
So I was right

Pro drivers agree the BRZ is more fun to drive than most cars. We're done here

>>17545470
What unit does fun come in and what can I do to measure "fun"

>>17545453
The NA is over 20 years old.

>>17545472
You would know if you actually drove cars instead of riding the bus

>>17545484
oh so there is no objective measurement to fun man its almost like I said that 20 posts ago where its a FUCKING OPINION

>>17545488
Professional opinions carry more weight than underage shitposters on /o/. The pros agree it is a more fun car, that is objective fact

>>17545420
Why is a miata a proper sports car and not a brz?

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>>17545501
>"professional opinions"
Its like video game reviews, you're putting so much faith and appeal to an authority or experted opinion like "professional video game reviewers" claiming a game is fun and yet you have NOTHING to go on.

Literally 9/10 It was ok logic you have there you dumb faggot. Nice trying to measure opinions.

>the pros agree
see heres the thing you can't differentiate yes the pros agree but the "more fun part" doesn't work without the "pros" so your measurement doesn't hold water on its own maybe because ITS A FUCKING OPINION

you are literally fucking retarded. This is bait it must be you can't be this stupid

>>17545459
>It performs shit
You would know, and why should I believe some anonymous shitter who shits on a car univeresally liked if it wasn't motivated by sour grapes, lack of ability and fastlaps.com in his bookmarks? Why I should believe some faggot like that instead of all the reviewers and people I talk to around on the track who drive insanely fast in their toyobaru that they even make 911 drivers worried?
>oh wow what a retort
So its confirmed. I have never met anyone who can drive who hates gt86.

>no better deal, price as sais on websait because I sed so
Except I've met toyobaru owners who prove you wrong. I was interested in buying it as well and I got offered 22k off the showroom floor after a test drive.

>muh prius tyres are meant to be on there, the car is not allowed anything else
why is hellcat without rollcage then?
Prius tyres make the car lose grip easy and make it fun to drift. It is a good choice seeing as the car is seemingly perfect to replace the 90's jdm rwd cars for drift cars and race cars.
>how do I retort the factual counter argument? I know I'll claim its a meme
everything you say is a meme and you're a busrider.

>>17545521
>Its like video game reviews, you're putting so much faith and appeal to an authority or experted opinion like "professional video game reviewers" claiming a game is fun and yet you have NOTHING to go on.
>>17545521
>You would know, and why should I believe some anonymous shitter who shits on a car univeresally liked if it wasn't motivated by sour grapes, lack of ability and fastlaps.com in his bookmarks? Why I should believe some faggot like that instead of all the reviewers and people I talk to around on the track who drive insanely fast in their toyobaru that they even make 911 drivers worried?

>>17545472
>>17545521
>agility
>nimbleness
>steering
>predictability
>controllability
>speed

All these make cars like miatas and brzs better and more fun to drive than other cars that don't compare like hellcats and camrys. Get back on the bus kid

>>17545515
Because the BRZ should have a turbo.

>>17545522
>>It performs shit
I didn't say that.
>You would know, and why should I believe some anonymous shitter who shits on a car univeresally liked if it wasn't motivated by sour grapes,
You're literally projecting every retarded strawman none of which I've ever said because you have nothing to go on.

>universally liked
another appeal to some populus opinion? a majority of people thought the world is flat they couldn't be wrong or anything right?

>why should I believe
I'm not asking you to believe anything ITS A FUCKIN OPINION are you really losing your shit over an opinion on "I don't like this car" "WOW YOU MUST BE SHIT" crap? You're delusional.

>I've never met someone who doesn't like what I like
wow a self satisfying circular logic, totally haven't met this kind of confirmation bias before.

>why is hellcat without rollcage then?
Not what we're talking about at all? This is a completely different facet and if you think you need a drag strip to do quarter mile pulls who gives a fuck. Dodge said themselves they only built the car to do the fastest straight line acceleration and thats it.

This is about the 86 being acclaimed as a "sports car" or a "performance car" but lacks performance and sports features like real slicks and real performance that every other car gets. the Civic Si comes with slicks, the WRX comes with slicks, hell even mustangs come with slicks but the gt86? oh yea for 26k toyota was simply too jewish to put slicks on it so they used their generic all season prius tires out of raw laziness.

why is Subaru/Toyota charge the same price as a WRX for an engine that is explicitly worse than the WRX configuration? Why didn't they use the same FA20 with a turbo, why didn't they use the same or similar intakes, headers and exhaust?

You know for the same price I'd expect something of similar performance and yield but its strictly slower, less able and worse in virtually every metric.

>>17545529
>I'm so autistic I don't know how to differentiate between opinions so I stringently try to affirm an opinion as a measureable, objective fact.

>>17545559
>>universally liked
>another appeal to some populus opinion? a majority of people thought the world is flat they couldn't be wrong or anything right?
I find it incredebly ironic you said that because even BC people knew earth wasn't flat and it was only thanks to popular opinion in last few centuries "flat earth" rewrote history for people who are the figurative busriders of history.

GG

I have literally never met a single person who is respectable when it comes to cars who has said gt86 is shit.

>>17543839
>boxer takes up too much space....

uhh what? have you even seen inside the engine bay on these units?

>>17545543
Thats not what I asked, you just rattled off a bunch of features all of which have their objective measurements and units associated to try and apply them to a subjective facet.

You are autistic

>agility
measureable in things like G-force, turning radius and angular velocity?
>nimbleness
this is just a synonym for agility.
>steering
and how exactly do you measure this? turning radius? this would just go along with agility.
>predicability
wtf does this even mean? If you're gonna try and shoe horn this as a way to impliment it to how well the car handles between rapid weight shifts in turns then why not just say that? Or at least use bound and rebound metrics from suspension specs to measure this instead of some umbrella "predictability" shit.
>controllability
ala agility and more suspension related metrics, why not just say that?
>speed
mph/kph thats easy

Even then for all of these the WRX must "objectively" be more fun because the WRX takes turns faster, better stronger, accelerates stronger and has a higher top speed.

>>17545563
If you're this obsessed about opinions, its clear you don't have any real ones and are just an assmad bus rider who wants to hate on the car for unknown reasons (poor? cucked by BRZ owner? drives 1995 camry?)

Sorry but I'm not going to authorize that. Real opinions about the car are all positive and know it is more fun to drive than other cars. The bus is waiting

>>17545572
>no guys me appealing to a populus totally isn't just me trying to justify an opinion as fact

you're fucking retarded, a 5 year old could discern an opinion but you can't. You're so autistic you can't figure out the difference between an opinion and a fact.

how does one measure "fun"? what unit does it come in?

>>17545592
>you're obsessed
says the autistic spazz who thinks opinions on "funability" or what ever you wanna bitch about is a fact.

>I'm not going to authorize that
who asked you to?

>real opinions
oh so it is an opinion? but the fact is "fun"? how do you quantify that?

>>17545596
>calls others autistic
>doesn't comprehend fun and wants to see graphs and numbers to explain it
sounds about right.

>>17543769
It doesn't have a 4age

>>17545275
Then don't buy a Hellcat you mong. The Hellcat appeals to people who want a cruiser that can do highway pulls like a boss. Not to a trackstar faggot

>>17545608
If it can't be measured objectively, its not objective

Miles per hour? thats pretty objective, how many miles do I cover in an hour!

>needs a graph
yes because you can effectively plot every single part of a car in an objective unit

What is the unit for "fun"?

>>17545615
It's a ratio between the frequency of zygomaticus major elevation and galvanic skin reaction.

>>17545601
You are clearly the autistic and poor one in this discussion. I do not authorize arguments from autists unless they have value, and your hate on the car reeks of irrationality and butthurt. I'm basically entertaining myself trying to figure out the thought process of a real live autist. Please explain what your legitimate issues are with the BRZ beyond pure horsepower, and since you do not have any, try to do this without being intentionally vague and disingenuous, otherwise return to watching anime

>>17545634
this, most hate comes from people who aparrently don't drive and sit on anonymous imageboard famous for being contrarian. And gt86 is widely regarded to be one of the best sportscars since its release.

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>>17545586
Yes? Does doing a spark plug change look enjoyable to you?

>>17545634
>authorize arguments
lol wtf does this even mean?

>unless they have value
and what is the unit of this value?

>irrationality
says the guy whose trying to quantify an opinion

>beyond pure horse power
how about the loss in torque through the mid section of any gear. This apparently is fixed with different headers which is weird because the WRX's FA20 doesn't have this issue. If it was an issue of efficiency and emissions why didn't they just reuse the headers from the WRX because those obviously work and are emissions compliant. Why couldn't they just put some michelin or goodyear slicks like they do with the WRX and tons of other sports cars that come default? Why would they put all season tires they use for the prius of all things onto it? If the tires were an issue why don't they just use the camry tires which are wider even if they aren't slicks?

Why didn't they put a turbo in it like they did with the WRX? For the same price as a WRX I still expect some efficacy of performance.

The car is also too small for people of the tall variant. I'm 6'4'' and I put the seat all the way back and its simply not far enough as my knees hit the dash board. Same with the ceiling, theres not enough room for me to be comfortable without feeling like I'm in some lazyboy recliner. The car definitely lacks gump

>>17545655
>autistic faggot that hates a god tier car because sparkplugs are annoying to change

>>17543769
jealousy.

>>17545651
Yeah, it's a great sportscar by the same measure a FiST is a great sports car.

The 86 is an economy car stapled to coupe. It's slow and boring.

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>>17545678
>What are you talking about there's plenty of space
>Uh no there isn't, here's a pic
>ROFL look at the autist that wants to mod and perform routine maintenance with ease!

>>17545670
So your irrational hate of the car comes from tiny issues only an autist would notice or not be able to change. Torque dip is the only legitimate gripe and as you say its been fixed, so there are no real problems

>>17545709
>every 100k
>routine maintenance

>>17545733
>Thinks 100k plugs offer best performance

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>>17545759
They don't?

>>17543769
but I like it

>>17545655
dispite having to raise the motor ( unless you get some proper tooling, i can do them with the engine not raised) thr boxer is alot easier to work on and with than lets say a b6 s4 with the god awful 4.2 v8 shoe horned were a v6/i4 should be.

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>>17544601
for the cost of a swap you can get a nitrous kit AND lightweight wheels, rubber and coils

I bet there is even room for aero

>>17544658
>facts are not true because they hurt my feelings!

>I'll take a GTO motor or any ls swap kit over nitrous.
enjoy your pigfat lolcant'rev engine and tons of understeer

>>17545116
>I don't know what I am tlking about
nitrous is more reliable than any other form of forced induction

>>17545366
That's literally what Toyota said it is. They're both the "same car".

>high revving
>low power
>great handling
>2 door coupe

>tfw want a new car
>BRZ is only lightweight, rwd car available new in it's price range that's not a Miata
>Don't need the practicality really
>It will be fast compared to the '06 chevy malibu I'm driving now
>Looks awesome
>Always the option to add aftermarket parts to fix torque dip

If someone can find me a car that's not a BRZ that's built within the last 3 years that's a lighter weight, fun, RWD sporty car please let me know. I'm all ears.

>>17545991
It's not. Sperg more

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>>17546204
>it's not

*citation needed*

>>17546196
It's pretty much an MX-5, but the Fiat 124 is league's better than the 86/BRZ. Handles better and has a better engine too.

And the only meme you'll really encounter is fix it again Tony, aside from being called a faggot for owning a miata.

>>17546229
You're the one suggesting it over something else. Burden of proof is on you'd faggot.

>>17546236
Yeah but that's a convertible unfortunately

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>>17546246
its superior to supercharger because there is no parasitic load on the engine like a supercharger, which means no damage to the main bearings, there is no need for cooling intake air either, and there is much less maintenance

>turbocharger
no need to have complicated oil lines around the engine, no need to run massive injectors that offer poor atomization, doesn't increase the engine bay temperature to stupidly high levels, much more lighter than a turbo kit and much less maintenance, no need to baby it when cold until the turbo and oil reaches operating temps

nitrous is the superior form of forced induction, you can even get high with it

stay BTFO

>>17546290
>that offer poor atomization at lower engine loads*

>>17543956
Lmao that powerband is shit, and it's from a motor with almost twice the displacement of the FRS/BRZ motor. Try again faggot.

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>>17546302
>I don't know what I am talking about

the curve decreases at the end because it's a fucking v6 mustang you autist, the point of that image is that a progressive nitrous controller doesn't have the sudden peak single stage nitrous are known for

jesus chirst, /o/ during summer is really full of autists

>>17544341

>t.bus rider

>>17545550
Why? Because it has a roof?

>>17546527
Actually, yes. You don't need to go as fast in a convertible because it feels faster than it is.

>>17546539
Roll the windows down...?

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>>17543769
Problems:

Subaru made engine = crap
Boxer engine = everything is a headache
Too slow
Ugly rear end, should've gone with the prototype rear
Not turbo

>>17546650
What makes the FA20 crap?

>>17546650
You know I don't mind that it's slow, but I do mind that it's owners get so booty blasted when you call it out for being slow.

Really it's a poorfag car and maybe that's why so many people on /o/ buy it and then get upset when you call it out for it's flaws?

>>17546650
Looks like a prius

>>17546659
Maybe they're afraid the price would go up significantly if those flaws were fixed.

>>17546656
Subaru puts really crappy gaskets on their engines. I've known a few people who used to own Subarus and had the gaskets fry. Subarus transmissions are crap too, slipping out of 3rd is a common known problem on many models. Also boxer engines are a pointless design, all they do is make the thing harder to work on.

>>17545784
>put these in a car once to solve a misfire
>put car in for a service 4 months later
>forgot to tell them i'd changed the plugs
>they bin my glorious NGK plus for some cheapo shit

>>17546571
nowhere near the same experience.

t. convertable driver/faggot

>>17546680
The flaw won't get fixed because it would compete with the WRX and potentially the new Supra. That is what drives these decisions. Base price is also a thing but a better engine is an option and they'd have it if it weren't for the first point.

>>17546815
The FA20 is nothing like the EJ25X series, though, and it's lower as well as shorter than an I4.

>>17546815
>>17546867
Also the BRZ doesn't use a normal Subaru transmission, it uses an Aisin-brand unit. Mechanical linkage instead of cable too IIRC.

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>>17543769
>4 cylinders

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>>17543769
>200hp
>cost same as F30 328i
Thats why

>>17546253
So? There's already talks of a factory hardtop being made. It being a convertible shouldnt be a negative anyway.

>>17544269
>a minivan that beats it in 0-60
No minivan does this, except when the driver of the 86 drives slow deliebrately.

>>17543769
>under powered
Never understood this meme. It has more power than the majority of mid-90s Jap sports cars that /o/ jizzes over. It's like complaining that a MX-5 doesn't have enough power.

>>17547656
It doesn't and a modern sports coupe being just as slow is worse. It's not even like anyone wants insane power, just 20-30 more hp to make it functional on an onramp.

>>17547808
How retarded are you that 10% is the difference between literally unusable and a good amount?

>>17547903
Have you owned either of them? They're slow as shit. It's bearable on shitty roads where you don't have to put your foot down and expect a result, but the rest of the time it's worse than a civic.

>>17547925
I own something slower, a fuckin' ranger. You know how I merge? Downshifting, like somebody who's not retarded.

>>17543769
>Why does /o/ hate this car so much?
They can't afford it.

I don't like the boxer engine, I'd rather have a traditional i4. That's why I bought a miata instead.

>>17543769

because /o/ is full of poorfags

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>Contact company known for making turbocharged flat fours for 20+ years on an autistic scale to make an engine
>It's not turbocharged

Has anyone ever explained why these things aren't turbocharged?

>>17548317
Not in the spirit of the 86, would price it to compete with the STI.

>>17548324
Doesn't the flat four already ruin the spirit of the 86?

>>17548338
Why? It's an N/A 4-banger.

>>17548199
Can't afford it? You can get a BRZ/FRS for sub 15k. Considering the FiST seems to be the most common car here, I'm pretty sure the majority can afford it.

>>17548343
It takes out the ease of maintenance and ability to mod

>>17548355
What the fuck makes a boxer hard to maintain or mod? You change your spark plugs every 5000 miles or something?

>>17548363
Own one and find out. Both Toyota and Subaru don't even want to turbo it lol.

>>17545378
>Fun is not an objective measurement you dumb fag
If you read his post he said "it's not objective". Maybe you're the dumbass that should go back to kindergarten where all the other delusional 86fags belong.

>>17548373
Subaru makes a lot of turbo boxers though.....?

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>>17545351

edlebrock superchargers come with a warranty

if you buy an 86, install supercharger on the first day you get you will have a 3 year warranty for it, plus it's CARB legal.

>>17548386
On bigger cars that generally haven't changed under the hood in 20 years.

>>17548404
That's a warranty for the supercharger

>>17548523
>Our new Limited Powertrain Warranty will pay up to $16,500 to cover the cost of parts and repairs for engine, transmission and rear axle components if a warranted vehicle suffers a mechanical failure. Now you can outfit your ride with an E-Force Supercharger and have the peace of mind that you'll be covered!

http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/misc/warranty/eforce.shtml

>>17547205
It kind of is because I live in the Northeast. I'm not dealing with the cold and the snow.

>Talks of hardtop being made
>Talks

Which means it's not out yet. Which means I can't get one. It would be on my list if it were, but it's not.

>>17548509
The FA20 is only like 5 ish years old

>>17548404
Yea the supercharger comes with a warranty, doesn't mean subaru is gonna touch it let alone warranty it.

>>17548404
Doesn't mean subaru will recognize your warranty after you install it.

>>17548379
maybe hes a fucking retard whose trying to make an oxymoron with "its not objective but its FACKTUALLL"

>>17546322
listen to yourself you little insufferable fgt. Why are you going to spray a BRZ. It's not a street/strip car. Do you know anything about nitrous engines? If you intend to feed it large amounts of the bottle you are going to need forged pistons and a wide ring gap. Heating the cylinders that much on the stock internals is going to force the ring gap together and bind. This isn't Forza or fast and the furious, you can't just double the output without supporting mods.

>>17546867
>>17546884

People concerned about reliability history of Subaru engines shouldn't be concerned about the FA20. There are plenty of guys coming out of the woodwork with over 200k miles on the car already and even saw one guy post over 300k miles and all of them reporting no major issues. A few of the 200k mile guys track their cars semi-regularly too. They are reliable as long as you keep up with the maintenance schedule and don't fuck with the engine.

I bought my BRZ back in 2013 when I lived in an apartment and only had 1 parking space so I needed something that could do it all in a single car. Needed something new and reliable too and the BRZ checked all the boxes. My expenses were low back then too so financing was fine. I did look at a 15 year old C5 Z06 for 20k and a 10 year old BMW E46 M3 for 14k but unfortunately, no one wants to lend anyone 20k for a 15 year old car or even 14k for a 10 year old car but they have no problem lending 25k for a new one so the BRZ it was.

The BRZ has been great to me, never given me any trouble, I just put on good coil overs, a BBK and sticky tires it can harass Z cars, 3 series, Caymans and even V8 Mustangs and Camaros on track. Amazing on twisy back roads and comfortable year round daily driver too.

That said, I'm returning it to stock next year. I recently moved into a house and now that I've got space for 2 cars, I don't need a single car that I've made all kinds of compromises with so it can do everything. I'm selling it next year and planning to buy a POS Miata for 2k and mod the piss out of it for track and canyon driving and then spend another 5k for a shitty DD. In the end, way less money than the BRZ and have more utility and better fucking cars for their assigned tasks.

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>>17549501
>he belives nitrous is only used on track cars
how fucking sad!

>you are going to need forged pistons and a wide ring gap.
a 100 shot works perfectly fine on an engine just minor bolts on, like exhaust and intake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF9byR9aTfA

besides, you also need forged internals and a bigger ring gap on a turbo/super making high power, so your point is moot

also, no is talking about how you can double the power with nitrous on stock internals, autist, we were talking about how a progressive nitrous system can match an LS in power delivery

try following a conversation before sperging