What's your favorite factory sleeper?

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>>17531324
No one expects the wagon

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Not as fast as her sister but still badass.

>>17531372
wagons / estates are always the best sleepers

early evos and galants are good

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>>17531372

I remember how much tears of butthurt corvette cucks produced after this fuckin wagon whoops their precious shitbox.

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Really liking this hidden gem
>Fucking stellar gas mileage
>Clean design
>Offroads like a dream
>Great for urban areas
>Cheap
>Built-in workout feature

Only downside is that other drivers will look at you like an asshole

>>17531401

T H I C C

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>>17531401
plz. It's got nothing on the CTS-V. Can't beat the LS aftermarket. The sky's the limit.

>>17531416
That looks like a 12 year old designed it.

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>>17531419
You could say that about any modified car. Here's one in grandpa spec.

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>>17531372
>>17531401
>Hey guys, lets stick a GTR engine in a station wagon

>>17531416
that looks fucking gross you have shit taste

>>17531401
cumming rn

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I think these are sleepers in the sense that no matter how agile they may have came off as or how sporty they may have looked. nobody thought what essentially looked like an ugly home-made shitbox would be as fast as it was.

Mosler set a challenge rewarding anyone who could beat the car's time on a track he chose and it took a lot of effort before it was eventually beaten.

>>17531433
There's a reason why manufacturers pay professional designers high 6 figure salaries.

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>>17531416

>The CTS-V Wagon discontinued in 2014
>Caddy won't build next-gen due to its extremely poor sales
>CTS-V's 0-60 MPH: 3.9 sec

While E63's 0-60 MPH: 3.4 sec (remember Mercedes' performance claims are notoriously conservative)

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>>17531457
>wrong image
ayy lmao!

>>17531458
Agreed. the guy who designed the V-wagon deserved every bit of his six figure salary.

not him btw.

>>17531436
honestly the perfect mix between hoon and practical.

>>17531463
Who cares about stock power when you got an endless aftermarket? There's a lot more 10 second CTS's than 10 second E63's.

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>>17531478

Stock vs Stock: E63 wins
Stock vs aftermarket: tie or CTS-V struggling to win
aftermarket vs aftermarket: E63 wins easily

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RS6 cunts

>>17531491
I know you can do better, Anon.
Correct: "RS6, cunts.".

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>>17531372
The c65 and amg badges make it easier to expect

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>>17531491

Aye, where is M5 touring?

There are several reports about BMW is strongly considering a wagon-version of the next M5 to take on the Audi RS6 Avant and Mercedes E63 Estate. However, it's doubtful that such a model would make it to these shores. It is not confirmed yet.

Again, no M5 touring for Americans.

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>>17531324

>>17531401
One day

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>GNX
looks like a generic gm g body with black trim to people that don't know but could run 13s in the quarter

>>17531550
Fuck, I want it so bad

V6 Accord

>>17531457
nice dodge dynasty

>>17531600
Even the plain old T-types ran pretty impressive times

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>>17531324

>>17531825
The grand national is just an appearance package for the T Type

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I've always liked what Renault did with this one.

>>17532085
Literally looks like an Opel Vectra

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>>17531324

The Fat Passat

>>17531600
goddam that is a beautiful vehicle

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Get the fuck out of the way, plebs.

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Volvos are slo- oh wait

Legacy Spec B
V8 Rover 75 (sort of counts, the engine out the factory is underpowered but can be brought up quite easily)

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>>17531324
inb4 Americans call an SS commodore a sleeper

>>17532169
Oh no, im too late >>17531550
The SS is not a sleeper stupid Americans.

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>>17531550
>>17532169
Why does the American version of Australian cars always look like arse?
they hardly change anything on them but they all look terrible once they hit the states.

Is it just so stupid Americans can call them sleepers?

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>>17531372

>>17532197
Can anyone explain to me why does a 579hp car do 250 kph tops whereas a weaker car easily does 310 kph?

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>>17532204
aerodynamics and gearing.
the viper is much lower to the ground and has much less wind resistance, to get the same kind of speeds out of the audi it needs a hell of a lot of power and a short gear ratio.

notice how he doesn't post new viper lap times too, he posts times from a car made in the 90's, its like being proud of a new car being faster than a testarossa.

>>17532204
It's electronically limited as part of an agreement between the big three (Audi, Merc and BMW) to put forward a politically respectable face and prevent a top speed war between them. With the limiter disabled it will do 343kph or 213mph but that's not a fair comparison as it isn't stock at that point.

>>17532219
Notice also that isn't even the top spec RS6+ or the current generation Audi.

>>17532228
Is this real? I mean I've seen this happen numerous times when a less powerful car can do higher velocity compared to a more powerful one. Celica GT vs an Impreza WRX is a good example of that.

>>17532232
The new RS6 is lighter and more powerful, it also has the speed limiter set at 300kph not 250.

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>>17532219
a viper does 7:12.13 around the ring, its literally the 3rd fastest production car on record of course he isn't going to try and compare it to anything.the only thing it compares to is shit like the gumpert apollo, that an $850,000 hyper car.... you could literally have 8 of the vipers for that price.

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>>17532153
>fwd

Any chance of getting into smaller racing scenes for under $5k?

>>17532253
>3rd fastest production car on record

Was not street legal when it set that time. sperg more.

>>17532116

What? How?

>>17532259
Go karts, cost $1500-3k for a kart, then its just a matter of signing up with a club and go racing.
go karts are good fun, remember they arent the shitty lawnmower powered ones you have driven indoors.

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>>17532263

>>17532269

The only resemblances they have is 4 doors and a 3rd window behind the rear doors m8

>>17532173
In the us it kind of is. Looks like your run of the mill gm fwd fleet vehicle. Maybe a GM cop car. GM does zero advertising for it.

>>17532262
What wasn't street legal about it?

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>>17532253
>
Let's look at the current RS6 Vs current road legal Viper then shall we.

>>17532364
The tires it was running on.

>>17532266
I meant a car I could also use as an everyday car. Some sites say the 2001 BMW 7 series is good, and I'm seeing used ones for like $4k, is that an okay idea?

>>17532257
>fucking wild dogs

>>17532368
DOT r compounds are street legal. Extremely far from practical, but legal.

>>17532407
>DOT r compounds are street legal
Maybe in the third world.

>>17532399
I don't fuck dogs, enjoy your wheelspin

>>17532476
>t. AWD-faggot-vaper

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>>17531324

>>17532237

Yes, all their cars are like that, even the Golf R and S3 are limited to 155

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>>17532142
gtfo pleb

>>17532486
Ridiculous. I'm guessing it's an easy mod to unlock the true power of the car, right?

>>17532489
Awesome car, but is it a sleeper?
A sleeper that's won WRC championships?

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>>17532489
The HF is literally the opposite of a sleeper

It's WOKE af

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You can't label german luxury brand as sleepers. People expect them to be fast. If anything it is a waker because it is much slower in reality than in their mind. Here let me present you a real sleeper.

>>17532257
>0-60 in 6 seconds

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>77,000 replies
>no gtp
What the FUCK is wrong with you people

>>17532482
I would never own an AWD car lol
>>17532527
Enjoy your wheel spin

>>17532068
The Grand National was a blackout package for the Regal T-type but the GNX was the extra-special version with extra performance goodies.

>>17532536
See>>17532520

>>17532501
Yes, a lot of them arn't overly restrictive on the limiter anyway and will do more than the 155, it's a bit like the old Supra and GT-R's power claims.

>>17532536
Huge nostrils on the hood, slow ass heavy lump under it, sleeper?

>>17532538
>I would never own an AWD car lol
So you also have wheelspin you faggot.

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umm sweetie...

>>17532625
>sporty looking coupe
>sleeper
what

>>17532628
>fag rims
>fag stance
>tinted windows
>"sleeper"

>>17532729
>Show car to average person.
>They see Volkswagen emblem.
>They disregard it until you blast off with your hidden air spoiler flipping them off.

>>17532746
I didnt realize VW had that kind of reputation overseas. Its well known in europe that theyre far from a boring company with the GTI and stuff.

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Toyota Camry

>>17532757
>vw
>not boring

>>17532833
Theyre the allrounder, they make everything from the caddy to the Golf R.

>>17532628

they call it chaser because its never in front

>>17532392
Don't race a daily driver, get a second car for that

>>17532841
That's like saying Toyota is an all rounder because of the Avalon and gt86

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>>17531324
yer mate i got ya

>ls1
>t56
>lsd

0-100km/h in 6 seconds in 1998-2003

cheap as chips currently 2500-4000aud

>>17532864
What pair of cars can I get for under $5k? I don't mind my daily driver being a piece of shit, but I want to do at least okay at races.

>>17532746
Most vw until a few years back had a variant of the ABA engine.

>>17532142

>...

>[breaks down again]

>>17532153
The turbos are shit, its a shame to. I love em

>>17532626
>accelerate
>weight is transferred backwards, increasing grip on the driving axle
>accelerate in fwd
>weight is transferred backwards reducing grip on the front wheels

Renault Espace F1

>>17532883
>get wheelspin anyway because you put in slightly too much torque and the rear wheels broke traction

>accelerate in the middle of the turn
>wheels brake traction and you get wheelspin and hit the nearest wall because you can't drift and handle dat oversteer
RWD is a memedrive

>Sleeper thread
>People post cars with 3+ Liter engines.
A sleeper is a car looks slow based on it's looks and engine size.

>>17532913
This. The 192hp Corolla, or shit like Peugeot 205 GTI are good exmaples of sleepers. They look boring and slow but will literally btfo most other cars on the street.

>>17532462
>DOT

9-5 Aero
That torque makes up for it's low HP.
FWD so it's not about 0-60, it's more about 60-120.

>>17532907
I spent like 2 hours driving around tonight hitting all the roundabouts in my side of the city, sliding through them in my fwd, it's not that hard.

>>17532873
You know you have to put at least 3k in safety gear into a car to be allowed on the track right?

>>17531847
Turbo Mopars in general were hilarious.
If you couldn't beat something, add more boost. Those 4 pot intercooled engines were nigh indestructible too, surprising for a Chrysler product. All in all the Turbo Mopars were near perfect cars. If only they were RWD.

>>17532943
That's part of why my budget is so low.

>>17532943
Maybe he just wants to street race with some friends.

>>17532883
>>17532626
>>17532907
All you fags, not realizing that midengine is superior.
>Tfw you put the pedal down and the rear of the car just sits down and grips
>Tfw the car just wants more throttle in a corner so it can sit back on its ass and get even better grip

All kidding aside, I think that's honestly what makes my AW11 so enjoyable to me. The car honestly has more grip when you give it more throttle in a corner (to a point of course). And when the rear does start to go, it's really fighting to come back in line. It's really hard to spin an MR2 out as long as you don't touch the fucking brake in the middle of a corner.
Snapoversteer only happens if you brake midcorner like an idiot, if you pay attention and drive it like you're supposed to, I'd actually say it's harder to crash than something like a Miata.

Honestly, nothing wrong with RWD or AWD. FWD is just like Porsche's rear engine meme. It's really not the best setup but if you do it perfectly it can be really fucking fast (aka Civic Type R and 911 Turbo). RWD and AWD really are the best setups for racing, scientifically speaking, but I still love to see a boosted Civic rip apart a Mustang GT etc.

>>17532929
i spent several hours not fucking my dog, it's not that hard

>>17533024
SNAP OVERSTEER

>>17531744
You're joking, right?

>>17533039
I addressed it but I knew someone would post it anyways, don't ever change /o/

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In my eyes, this is the best car ever. See, the E28 and the E34 are sedans with more powerful engines, and the E60 and the F10 are supercars that are disguised as 4 doors

But, the E39 sits just in a sweetspot in the middle there. Not too complicated, too heavy or too big

Maybe it's just me, but i absolutely love this thing

>>17533024
Grip is fucking gay dude lol, grip isn't fun at all.
Grip literally kills a car.

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Little heavy but still fun

>>17531478
>Who cares about stock power when you got an endless aftermarket? There's a lot more 10 second CTS's than 10 second E63's.
>mod an E63
>it brakes
>lose your live savings spending money fixing it
>kill yourself because of the debt
German cars not even once.

>>17533049
i mean, you are a master of lubrication, i can guess

>>17532365
The viper is not a drag car, it's a track car. Cars with AWD systems are going to always be the best 0-60 and 1/4 cars, or cars with specific built for 0-60 like the demon.

>>17533067
Damage control much?
At least the last gen viper lapped faster than the last gen RS6, right? Oh yea >>17532197

>tfw you will never ever live in the same 90s Japan as Initial D
>tfw you will never go street racing with your friends every weekend
>tfw if you try you'll get arrested

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>>17531324
1st gen MS3

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>>17532399
>replying to a tripfag
wow, look, you ruined the thread. cant you do anything right?

>>17532484
top kek

>>17532257
>Fast
>Wheel
>Drive

>>17532392
No, get a second car

>>17532942
I've seen many of these, and i want one so badly

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>>17531324
prove me wrong
Pro tip: you cant

>>17534114
8.9 second 0-60

>>17534114
>sleeper

>>17532195
Those both look bad, but at least the Pontiac doesn't look like a dodge stratus.

>>17534114
Prove you wrong that it's your favorite factory sleeper? Not sure why I'd care to.

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Right here.

>>17531324
First gen SHO

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>>17531324
Some knew what kind of force to be reckoned with the Grand National was. However when 1987 rolled around all expectations were shattered with the GNX. I mean this was a car with a faster 1/4 mile time then the Ferrari F40.

Also unlike most sleepers from the factory it's true performance stats were hidden in an attempt to not embarrass Corvette owners.

>>17534346
Of course that didn't keep the GM suits from murdering it as fast as possible.

>>17531324
>sleeper
it literally says LOTUS on the back, with huge exhausts and a wing.

>>17532153
Can anybody tell me more about the V70? I really want one.

>>17534166
what model year?

>>17534430
Any of them from 98-04. An R series would be great but id never find one.

>>17532955
they're meme mobiles that can be ridiculously fun and pretty powerful, the fwd only adds to that

>>17533049
Wow look at cummy calling me gay when
>Flaming furry
>Trip is literally "cummy"
>Almost killed himself with lack of grip (I can post the vid if you'd like)

Also who do you think has the biggest balls?
Formula One drivers
or
Formula Drift drivers

Rally drivers are not an acceptable reply because they have the biggest balls since they try to find as much grip as possible in places with no grip.

>>17532509
>>17532489
ugliest lancia

>>17534470
formula one because formula drift is a lot slower

>>17534527
how about Thesis? it's ugly! propably all new Lancias made after year 2000 are ugliest cars in the world

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>>17534527

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>>17531324

>>17534462
In its day, sure. Now it's a shitbox.
>>17534589
Homoglation rally cars are not sleepers.

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interior looks pretty comfy

>>17534589
>huge whale tail spoiler
>wide arches
>hood vents
>literally says COSWORTH on it
>"""""sleeper""""
no

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>>17534606
Eh, nothing special. Now THIS is a sleeper.

>>17534662
goddamn, you could almost live in that

>>17534676
>almost

>>17532197

>snek got BTFO by Nazi grocery getter

Delet pic

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>>17534718
Almost because you still have to go outside to take a dump or do more than microwave cooking. However there are companies who will happily build you custom sleepers with RV kitchens and RV bathrooms if you have the money.

>>17534662

How the fuck does an obese chainsmoking alcoholic middle aged trucker get into bed?

>>17534718
w-well I have a sleeping disorder that makes it hard for me to live in an environment without the proper infrastructure
I could manage a night or two in that thing without being completely miserable, but beyond that and I start dipping into dysfunctional territory

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>>17534760
By folding down the table and folding out the lower bunk. Most trucks have double bunks anyway, folding seaters are actually the exception.

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>>17532856
>>17532741
#SHOTSFIRED

My favorite is ford thunderbird sc.

>3.8L v6 with a supercharger
>adjustable ride suspension
>looks like your father run of the mill coupe

I don't know if it fits the exact definition of sleeper but to me it is since there are no real obvious signs that it's a sports car

>>17534802
Two truckers only need one bed.

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GVR4

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>>17535184
The GT-B (wagon)/RS-B (sedan) Legacy is better

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>>17535184

Here is Ultimate Rare Galant tuned by AMG.

>>17532204

>what is electronically limited

>>17535184
>>17532912
Same engine

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>>17535242

Japs got interesting cars.

Another jap car got tuned by AMG.

>>17535275

topkek

>>17532942
Jesus that's an ugly car

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Nissan Patrol 4.8

>>17537311
sick ad for it too at the time https://youtu.be/wJNn_Wwz29o

>>17534346
I just dont get it. What is keeping Buick from bringing back the GN and GNX today? I could easily see a modern GNX with a 600hp+ twin turbo V6.

>>17537411
GM won't allow anything to be actually good because it might be better than the corvette

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>>17531324
Someone already said the Nissan Stagea, so Honda Accord Type-R.

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>>17537450
>>17536430
>>17534589
>>17534346
>>17533047
>>17532867
>>17532820
>>17532628
>>17531550
>>17531508
>>17531497
>>17531491
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>>17531416
>>17531401
>>17531372
>>17531324
Not sleepers at all.
>flagship performance models
>widespread notoriety
>flashy german luxury cars
>SS commodores with bodykits, spoilers, and loud V8s

Learn what a sleeper is

>>17531404
Fuck off back to /n/, faggot

>>17533647
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDi_r1XmPrE

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>>17537523
No normal people know what a Chevy SS is. It's just a Malibu to them since it has had literally zero advertising. It's also surprisingly quiet in touring mode (closes the exhaust valves).

That wing and the hood vents on your pic makes it not a good sleeper. Too obvious.

>>17537581
???

That evo looks like an airport rental m8

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>>17531324
twin sequential turbo flat 4.

wish i had one of these engines to swap into my legacy l

>>17532195
I think the AUDM fascia is uglier. The Pontiac is just plain in a good way, the HSV is just garish.

>>17531732
>pig fat FWD
>sleeper
Lmao

>>17534346
I really want a '87 GN, it's my dream car. The problem is just that I have no idea when it comes to tuning and tinkering with cars, and all the ones getting sold are heavily modded with aftermarket parts. They're full of gauges and displays and shit that I have no idea what they mean. What do.

>>17532257
>He doesn't know about the AWD 850s

>>17537924
>AWD
>good
More driven wheels!=better

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For newer cars I have to say Volvo V90 t8. Hardly no one expects a Volvo wagon with a 2 liter engine that does 0-62mph in 4.8 seconds.

>>17537931
More driven wheels=more acceleration

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BMW 535d,

>>17537523
normies can\t tell an M5 from a 520d

>>17537425
Theres also the CTS/ATS V to worry about now.

CTS/ATS V power at Buick prices will never fly with GM either.

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Not really extremely fast but no one knows about them and thus they are a better sleeper than all those german luxery cars, everyone already expects to be fast.

>>17534430
I'm not sure. I think I read that they changed the tuning for the final model year (2016?) and it had a lower torque number. If it's slower, I would go for the older models. From videos, its biggest issue seems to be traction, as the TC light is blinking the entire time it's accelerating. It would probably benefit from all-season or even sport tires. It's definitely faster than the Volt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v2aYpMOn-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxEvd9oXtvY

>>17531497
Beautiful. I have an e61, but with 3l turbodiesel. Chipped 270bhp and 600nm. No one expects it to smoke all those flashy gtis and type r's.

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Why not?

>>17537561
Not what i was laughing at.

"sleeper"

Astro vans are top choice for van dweller community, i fucking love van dwelling people

>>17537561
I suspect that is not a factory sleeper

>>17533024
I'm with you on that bud, I love my sw20. most people don't realize how much grip these cars have until it's suddenly lost. I came from having a Miata and from my experience that car was very predictable and easy to drive so I can see why it's so easy to religiously stand by but I wanted more.
Something about the MR's super sharp and twitchy steering and the planted rear end is just so so satisfying.

>>17531404
Cyclists are literally worse than Isis

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>>17533664

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>>17531457
Ah the Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais Quad 442
>190 HP 2.3L Quad 4 I4 back when Vtec Hondas were ust getting started
>homologation special for SCCA and IMSA racing
>Pontiac Grand Am chassis, so it weighed virtually nothing
>14.7 second 1/4 mile
Those things were fast enough to scare V8 Mustangs, Camaros and Firebirds at the drag strip at the time. And no one gave them a second glance because it looked like someone tacked a spoiler on your grandma's daily driver that took her to church.

>>17531600
The Grand National and variants of it aren't sleepers.
Maybe when they first came out but no one thinks they're slow anymore. Try again fanboy.

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this is the best

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>>17532955
>If only they were RWD.
Chrysler experimented with it in the racing programs at the time before concluding that, all else equal, there was no practical advantage to RWD.

V6 camry, easy. 0-60 in under 6s and watch the fuck out if you catch an older one with a factory 5 speed, mine eats mustangs for breakfast.

>>17534430
doesn't matter so long as it's the EV version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l3WY1ilXqA

>>17534166
>Hey! Look at us!
>We shoved a Saturn V rocket under the hood of a South Korean built shitbox!
>It's fast!
>No emissions!

>>17541212
From 1987-1990, Chrysler offered the minivans with a 2.5L SOHC 8 valve I4 Turbo I (non-intercooled) engine from their other turbo K-car offerings. Transmission choices were a 5 speed manual or a 3 speed automatic. They're rare, but for the time, they were fast... and extremely moddable.
So is the van in that video stock? probably not. Is it the stock engine? most likely.

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>>17542308
Came here to post this because while the secret's out about Grand Nationals by now, no one thinks twice of a SC GS

>>17531324
>fwd

>>17532262
>implying anyone races the ring with normal tires

>>17542539
>SC
what did he mean by this?

>>17538415
this
I don't understand why people pretend everyone knows the trim levels of cars they don't own/aren't fans of.

>>17542581

supercharged. They're not really good to be honest. They handle like ass and the interior is dated to shit. Plus the oval shape of the car made it a pain in the ass to learn where the ends of the car were. The W-body should be buried with the likes of the F-body.

>>17542604
isn't the GS always supercharged?

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>>17542604
Its still a Buick...if you bought it for supreme handling or high feature technologically advanced interiors and futuristic styling you picked the wrong car. Many W-Bodies were great. Regardless, they are one of the biggest "sleeper" cars ITT so far by definition.

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>family sedan that also came in AWD configuration
>AWD version was sold exclusively with 5 speed manuel
>2.5L V6 was an option
>indestructible Toyota engine meaning it can take 18PSI of boost with STOCK internals
>32PSI with forged interals
>shares the same suspension parts as the venerable AE86
>all under 3000 pounds
>could be had in station wagon format if you wanted to

The V20 Camry AWD was literally a god machine.

>no saab

>>17544988
>gold wheels
>hood scope
>massive wing
>sleeper

sure, i can get M5/C63 as sleepers, but no way an STi

>>17533049
And lack of grip almost killed your dog fucking ass

>>17544988
One of my friends has a silver Blobeye STI with a wingless trunk and hood with no scoop because of his front mount intercooler that is barely visible behind some trim. It really is a great sleeper.

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>>17545012
>dog fucking ass

wait, he fucks the dog or he lets it fuck him?

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>>17545015
probably both

>>17533049
No grip almost killed you, maybe you are a retard

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>>17531324
lotus carlton. patrician taste anon

>>17531436
skyline wagon, not GTR wagon

>>17533049
shouldn't you be railing a dog or something?

>>17531600
This car is so fucking slow. Truly a disappointment

>>17532068
>>17532540
wrong
the Grand National already included performance improvements but not as extreme as the GNX

>>17534426
Don't bother. I have a 2001 V70 T5. I've poured thousands upon thousands of dollars keeping this thing running and I just hit 115,000 miles. The turbo is a pain in the ass. Can't go 10,000 miles without at least a $1000 visit to the shop. The engine lopes like crazy and everything in the car rattles. Vehicle cost about 15x more than it feel like it's worth, not to mention, you're basically paying jaguar prices for parts and repair.

Lexus LS400

to some its so plain looking its a sleeper.

>>17542358
Imagine if a car accelerated that fast. It would be like crashing in reverse into a solid barrier.

>>17546345
>what is FCP Euro

>>17533234
You know what the s in ms3 is for, right? Not a sleeper.

>>17546499
Doesn't matter. Do normies know?

>>17546380
it'd be a sleeper if it was fast

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The turbo k car was actually pretty quick

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Vauxhall Cavi 4x4 Turbo...these things were fucking mental in their day.

>>17546562
Turbo caravan was ultimate factory sleeper. Upped the boost with a Grainger valve and promptly blew the 3 speed auto within a month. But that was a fun month embarrass ing Honda fags with a stripped out van.

>>17546514
I mean...its written on the badge. MazdaSPEED 3 dead giveaway that the car is supposed to go fast.

>>17534574
it looks like an 037 got fat

>>17546757
>what is debadging
>what are slow cars with names that sound fast

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VW Phaeton. I got to drive the W12 and holy hell is it a monster. Meanwhile, it looks pretty much like a Passat from the outside.

>>17546824
pretty sure it's fairly tame compared to the A8

>>17546824
>345hp
>well over 5000 lbs
thats like a ford fusion or a tesla model 3, but even slower
ive also heard they have rust problems but they look cool

>>17546843
but where can you get an A8 with under 100k miles for under $10k?

>>17546852
That's the V8. The W12, which I drove, has 444 HP.

>>17546865
A phaeton for $10k is going to be a pile of garbage that'll cost you double that to make it reliable enough to daily

>>17546865
>implying they don't depreciate like rocks

>>17546757
In most other places its called mazda 3 mps

>>17546824
bit late to the party, see: >>17532120
not only are they fast they sound mental at full chat but whisper quiet when cruising.

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>>17546146
>mid 13s from a v6 powered 80s car is slow

>>17547016

are you mexican?
is that car supposed to look cool?

it looks like some mexican painted over a taxi cab

>>17546519
maybe he meant it puts people to sleep because its dull

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>>17547563
>he's never heard of the mercury marauder

>>17547588
kek

>>17531483
First off, I doubt it. And second, how much more expensive would it be to mod an e63 than a ctsv, my guess is a lot more.

>>17531372
fuck off janny

>>17532486
I know it's bullshit but if you spec the higher performance tires they do raise the limiter

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So many people not understanding what sleeper means in this thread
>>17531383
>>17531433
>>17531550
>>17531600
>>17531847
>>17532153
>>17532484
>>17532520
>>17533056
>>17534346
>>17534462
>>17537581
>>17542308
>>17542539
>>17542699
>>17546627
these people get it.

>>17545013
The Hawkeye STI's with "luxury trim" (can't recall the name) and Legacy 2.5GT Spec B's make inconspicuous cars. Remove the STI badge from the Hawkeye and it looks like any Imprez, save for the hood scoop.

>>17548438
I just bought a WRB 2003 WRX with the all the STI stuff from Japan on it, so the opposite of a sleeper. But I was looking at both the Legacy GT and Forester XT. The problem was all the Legacy GTs in my area were very high in price, and surprisingly WRXs were much lower.

>>17544988
>big pink STI in multiple places
>big scoop
>big wing

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not sure if my car is sleeper because its not very fast.
i mean if its not a 12 second car, how can it be a sleeper? its just a pleb high 13 sec car. because its heavy, 3700 lbs

in my eye a sleeper should be around a 11 sec car in the 1/4 mile, but never loud.

>>17547601
actually they aren't that fast out of the box, that E55 would rape them.

>>17548438
You can remove the hood scoop too if a front mount is swapped in

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SAAB 99 turbo for its time

>>17545027
That wasn't caused by the car though, that was from me braking into a turn.
That same thing could happen regardless of tire size or composition
>>17545681
stay btfo loser lol

>>17531483
>implying a mercedes benz is more tunable than a fucking new lt4 GM engine

gtfo, you must be trolling

>>17548665
>loser
>said the dogfucker who almost kills himself for lack of grip

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>>17532536
those look faster than they are, a waker?

Nova TwinCam and Prizm GSi, 4ag powered crapcans
Mazda REPU and RX4 wagon, rotary powered crapcans

And my favorite of the non muscle sleepers.

Dynasty R/T. DOHC lotus head on a 2.2, slap a intercooled turbo on it and put it in a chassis that has no business having a 224hp turbo 4 installed.

>>17549004
spirit r/t whoops, maybe the only car that mad a die-nasty look good.

>>17548414

>not german ones.

topkek... you are one who doesn't get it

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>>17548668

>what is brabus
>triggered GM shill

Acceleration:

0 – 100 km/h (62 mph): 3.7 sec.
0 – 200 km/h (124 mph): 9.9 sec.
0 – 300 km/h (186 mph): 23.9 sec.

Top speed : 370 km/h or 230 mph (electronically limited to 350 km/h or 217 mph)

Suck it up. lol

>>17549460
>brabus vs the whole LS aftermarket

good luck mercecuck

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>>17548587
I feel you. For what it is my R is quick, 5.5 0-60, but at 3600lb, it's not terribly remarkable in the quarter. Because of the R emblem though, I get every boi-racer trying to take me off the line. I dont consider my S60R a sleeper at all. I had an 850T that was fun but not really "fast"

>>17547553
Yeah. Real fucking slow, broke ass suburb fag.

>>17547563
did a mexican look at you today you fucking sperg?

>>17549487
>I need the same part twice!
are you retarded or just pretending?

there is more than enough aftermarket to make tons of power out of mercedes engines

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>>17531324
The car that started the horsepower wars. Now we have family sedans with 300+hp. Based nissan

>>17532257
Implying this matters. As long as the power hits the ground your good

>>17545372
>skyline wagon, not GTR wagon
They made 4wd versions with an rb26dett, that's the gtr engine.

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>>17531324
0-60 in under 6. Pretty good for something that size.

>>17549543
I think that it depends how it compares to majority of the cars where you live. Like in here maybe 80-90% are under 200hp and half of them are diesels because the taxes and fuel price.

>>17547502
>they sound mental at full chat

Dear god yes, I was watching on on youtube going through a tunnel and they aren't even an active exhaust.

>>17534527
DELET

>>17532501
Not really, they don't suddenly become a lot more powerful when you remove the 155mph limiter. It will just keep going when you reach 155 as opposed to the car holding it there. No one really bothers as no one drives that fast

>>17549460

Dont forget based Renntech that would be overkill.

>>17542295
they don't look like fast cars but they're fast. That's the definition of the word, cuck.

>>17551394
nah, they don't look slow, only if you are illiterate about cars
a car loses its sleeper status whenever it becomes well known for being fast