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First time replacing chain. Is this riveted enough or should I apply more pressure?

>>17503680
Measure it, ya sperg. Christ, how do you people survive?

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>>17503673
Why the fuck do you bother making the OP if you can't fucking do it properly?
is it hard to do or something?

>>17503687
there are some shitty pictures of what it should look like but thats it

>>17503696
Ok, so measure the width of the other links and see if your is the same. It looks like it's not going anyway to me, but might as well check.

Nobody gives a fuck about your favorite youtuber, fucking make proper editions again.

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>>17503693
>including a bunch of useless links that no one uses

>>17503704
But of course people look at the 20 years old beginner guide or some retarded webms on a different board, right?

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>>17503704
>being an autistic sperg lord who wants to troll new riders instead of letting them follow the links in the OP to answer their questions
just fuck off drobe.

mr maxwrist should get a suit that fits properly and stop hijacking the dbt

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>>17503711
>bunch of false guides about how 600ccs are dangerous and are easy to loop
>useless links to riding position simulators
>useless map that is never updated about where other dbt members are

Please enlighten me what exactly is missing.

>>17503673
being to retarded to write DBT in the OP

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>>17503718
>bunch of guides that stop nobikes from posting here because they click them
>helpful link to cycle ergo that lets nobikes see if they fit on what ever bike
>map that was updated yesterday

Try harder faggot, you are the only person who doesnt like the OP having that information and it is only so nobikes will post in dbt and you can troll them its fucking pathetic.

>>17503701
Thanks anon.

>>17503718
>muh you can start on a liter peter if you're rossi logic

>>17503718
>he thinks a 600 is a suitable starter bike
600's are not 650's m8

>>17503737
What do you mean by that? 600s being common in zippy sportbikes and 650s being common in comfy adventure bikes and cruisers, some even single cylinder?

>>17503743
I mean 600's are too much for someone who has never ridden a bike before genius.
they have touchy throttles extremely touchy brakes and the room for error is marginal.

sure maybe a 600 for someone that grew up riding dirt bikes and is now getting their first road bike but that is just about the only time it is ever a good idea because that person would get bored of a smaller bike real fast.

>>17503728
Listen faggot, I don't even have a problem with the links. They just weren't included in the last two dbt threads and that's where I copied them from

>>17503734
I wish we could ban euros from here

>>17503761
Then don't post the OP next time if you are too dumb to go back 2 threads and copy the proper OP.

fuck you are a shit lord max.
I hope you get cleaned up by a semi or a bus when you cut a corner.

>>17503774
I don't even ride motorcycles

am i a big gay homo for considering the xsr700?
not really fond of the mt07s bug face

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>>17503777
fucking cyclists always ruining everything.

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>>17503788

>>17503710
I watch the webms with sound

>>17503753
If you think bringing a bike up to 8k before it gets any power is touchy, then you and them don't deserve to be riding

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>>17503817
t. someone who has never ridden any 600's

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>have $15k
>wat get?

>>17503868
used gf

>>17503868
what ever you want.
you can afford pretty much any bike made between 2010 and 2016.

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>>17503873
already have one

>>17503875
>what ever you want.

what would you buy if you had 15k?

>>17503855
600s are slow as shit my dude.

>>17503875
Not an h2.... faggot

>>17503868
Scout with money left over

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>>17503882
a te300.

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Hey guys. I have a DL-1000, when I hit 100k Kilos the other the day it seemed like the clutch was slipping. I have it set to 4, after a decent trip of 45 minutes, it was jerking at a pull off like the clutch was grabbing and letting go then grabbing again. I set it to 3 and it went away. When I started and pulled off after work it was 100% fine even on 4.

>>17503855
Not the anon you're arguing with but the 600s listed here are making only ~50hp at 8k rpm.
Whereas a ninja650 makes like 62hp unless these graphs im looking at are lying to me.

>>17503898
>set to 4...to 3
what? do you mean the clutch lever adjustment?
all the type ive seen don't actually pull on the clutch with the adjustment only the position of the lever - so 1 gives you the longest lever pull and 5 gives you the shortest for example but it doesn't really pull on the clutch more or less firmly only the range of clutch pull changed

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>>17503673

/dbt/ map:
>https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?msa=0&mid=1YwqbzbdRjMAItdOZPktcND3Nr98

Benchrace your buttocks:
>http://cycle-ergo.com

Benchrace your helmets:
>https://sharp.dft.gov.uk/

Benchrace in general:
>http://crash.net

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>>17503907
zx6r is not a ninja 650 and a 650 can be restricted to 45hp until a rider is confident in their ability, a 600 can not.

>>17503915
Yes, the lever pull. Why I am worried, is the DLs clutch is hydraulic.

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>>17503930
I'm aware they can be restricted but these beginners bike make the same power at 8k rpm as some of those 600 supersports. The only difference is the i4 can go further.

A smart learner could easily start on a 600 supersport

>>17503975
beginners be like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIcAUzTYqwk

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My friend dropped his 2 week old Daytona in the parking lot of the bike shop yesterday. Kick stand wasn't down all the way. mfw

Q3?
Pilot power 2Ct?
What tire is best in life, dbt?

>>17503975
A smart learner is also literally smart, and therefore really good at figuring shit out fast, retaining that information, and being wise about things and performing methodical practices in relatively safe environments.

When you started riding your bike did you very gradually feel it all out in a parking lot or did you just see a familiar corner one day and say "fuck it, let's try going faster/trail braking/really exploding out of the apex"

>>17503930
a 600 can easily be restricted to 45hp by not pinning the throttle for multiple seconds at a time

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>>17504020
And smart people do wheelies with these until they git gud.

Who here ever had a wheelie bar?

>>17503882
Used hp4. Best street/sport bike money can buy.

>>17503817
not shown: how fast you go from 8k to 12k rpm

>the 600 experience:
>v r r r r r r r rrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>17504020
I started on dirt bikes so it was basically just smash through the dirt corners until you get good and not fall off into the sand

>>17504037
Street riding's kind of different. It's like dirt riding but you're always around small but stiff trees, sharp rocks, and tall cliffs. No "haha woops" crashes for you.

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Intruder 700 guy from like 2 days ago here.

Got my permit on Thursday, title transfered on Friday, first ride this morning at 630(Sunday).

Been riding for the last 4 hours. Stalled a few times in traffic but funny enough while I was practicing in a large parking lot I didn't stall once even on my first acceleration.

This shit is so exhilarating. Why did nobody preach to me before?

>>17504044
I'm quite aware. Have been riding dirt for 12 years and road for 6 years.

Ripped my knee open a few times on some foot pegs and broke my wrist falling off the dirt bike at like 3km/h. Turns out enduro riding at night is a shit idea.

No road crashes....yet
I'm sure it'll happen eventually

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>>17504047
Get a real bike, bro.

>>17503993
Glorious.

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>>17504056
>Meanwhile, in Asia.

>>17504056
Nice meems!

I got my eye on a few options next summer. I'll head to my local dealer and probably buy a used bike somewhere in the 600 range. Small City, small highways, nowhere interesting to go within 80 miles except Canada.

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>>17504056
>that fender/megaplate

Am i wrong to think this is a little overpriced?
https://hartford.craigslist.org/mcy/6206140471.html

>>17504074
oh jeez I want that 250rr

>>17504117
If you could knock him down to like 1800 it would be fine

>>17504117
He's flipping it. Dude probably bought it for 1k.

>>17504100
it's because manufacturers don't design around regs that much and just assume you'll chop shit off and replace it with technically illegal and ineffective flush mount/eliminated/integrated everything.

>designer: *draws bike with no fucking clue*
>lawyers: *adds dangly fenders because the designer didn't make the tail long enough or add room for a rear hugger, adds stalk turn signals because the designer didn't make the tail and head sections wide enough to meet legal spacing requirements*

>>17504117
More pictures. Super low miles which is awesome for an 06. But that doesn't stop rust or poor maintenance.

>bike I want has a factory lowered seat

Is there anything I can do about this or do I have to buy a standard seat?

>>17504138
the super low miles kind of worries me, like why would it only have 1000 miles on it

>>17504141
>he learned
what a surprise

>>17504020
>When you started riding your bike did you very gradually feel it all out in a parking lot or did you just see a familiar corner one day and say "fuck it, let's try going faster/trail braking/really exploding out of the apex

I said fuck it, lets try going faster. I have no tendies, can hold wheelies nearly indefinitely, am starting to get stoppies down, and have not dropped or crashed a bike in my 6 years of street riding.

Jumping on a liter bike or something similar is stupid with no experience, but ~65 hp isn't unmanageable, even for a beginner.

>>17504156
It´s a 250 so he probably got bored and wants a bigger bike

>>17504005
I've forgot my kickstand a time or two lol. Luckily I'm a pretty strong fella cuz that shit is embarrassing

>>17504117
That's way overpriced. You can get 2009-200 ninjettes for that price here, maybe with a bit more miles but still. I would'nt get caught up in looking for a super low mileage one, the bikes will run forever and you won't keep it long anyways.

>>17503868
Africa Twin

>>17504136
>suzuki used to design good looking bikes to be compliant with regulations
>tail lights and turn signals integrated into the original tail so people don't chop them off and replace them with 0.5 lumen chink signals
>the new GSXR1000 finally caught up to Modern Bike™ designs and make the tail too short and skinny to do its job and can't hold the lights anymore so it needs the big dangle hanging off
y

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>>17503868
F Z 1 0
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1
0

It's so ugly it's beautiful

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>the no honda fiero traiku

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>take msf course
>13 women
>me and nip guy
>everybody passed except 2 hot chicks

>>17504029
>not allowing yourself to reach balance point, thus forcing the bad habit of chasing wheelies
scrub.
A smart person would learn to wheelie on a child sized dirt bike in their yard, learning basic use of the throttle, brake, and clutch in a wheelie and how to hold balance point. Then they would take it to their street bikes.

>>17504217
What even happens if you fail an MSF course?

Say "oh well," and just get the license anyways?

>>17504189
they're assuming that you're going to track it maybe

>>17504224
How do you even fail a MSF course?

>>17504224
In most states you can go take a quick multiple choice test and they will give you your permit. To get the actual license you need to either pass the MSF or the DMV skills test.

Can I find a 100hp naked bike for under 4k?

>>17504228
There's usually a turn from a stop exercise

if you stall during it, you fall. You fall twice you fail.

>>17504238
>falling twice is a fail

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>>17504238
>You fall twice you fail.

my course was you fall you fail. this is for the final test.

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>>17504234
You can get a mid 2000's Z1000 for that.

>>17504259
Is that an oil leak?

>>17504259
JS, that''s gorgeous I know google is available. But can you tell me anything else about it?

>>17504279
Probably, it's a Kawasaki.
>>17504282
No, I don't own one. Was just considering a newer one but bought an fz09 instead. I think they are kind of ugly personally, especially that gen but to each their own.

>>17504228
stopping with your tire touching the box by even a mm is 5 points

13 is fail

so basically touch the line on the stop in a box and another test and some ticky tack points elsewhere

>>17504178
thats what i was thinking

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>want a sprint st 1050
>the insurance premium is about £500

Do you guys think I should get F800ST, VFR800 or sprint st 1050.

VFR800 is the cheapest by a longshot.

>>17504328
vfr
as long as you get the manual one

>mfw people in this thread actually trying to say 600s are fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVVih1GojPc

They have no power after second gear. And even second gear is shit.

>>17504347
that whole video begins pretty much above legal speeds though.

>>17504351
Looks like 50km/h

>>17504351

>90 km/h
>above legal speeds
americucks

>>17504347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1D5cGqWgpQ
0-200kmh in 10 seconds, yeah what a piece of shit.

>>17504367
first of all, that's not even a 600

second, that is pathetic compared to a liter bike

>tfw have a 600s

seems like I am the only one qualified enough to judge this.
A 600s is not fast. It will reach 150 km/h and that's about it.

>>17504374
>that is pathetic compared to a bike with 66% more cc

>>17504374
>first of all, that's not even a 600
what is it?

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>>17504377
your 600 is slower than my anime girls learner bike?

>>17504228
some instructors are hardasses, too
I skidded the rear tire for about two and a half inches during the stopping portion and the guy told me that if he heard me squeal a tire again I was kicked out.

>>17504328
VFR

>>17503873
You can't always be first.
>you can always be next.

>>17504395
I had a bike with ABS. If that would kick in, just even once during the bike control exam it would mean an immediate fail.

>>17504377
150 mph maybe otherwise you're embarrassingly incorrect

How much do you all pay for your insurance per year?

I pay about £300.

>>17504405
I'm not even talking about the exam, I meant during the training portion of the course.
How would anyone else know if ABS kicked in?

>>17504413
Training here takes several weeks. Yeah, of course you might fuck up.

>How would anyone else know if ABS kicked in?
You can hear/see it.

>>17504385

My point is that 600s are touted as some super dangerous advanced bike when they really aren't. They have no top end. They are made to accelerate out of corners quickly up to 100mph and then they fall off. They really are not that fast. The last 3 gears alone are just to get the bike from 125-160

>>17504411
$0.00

>>17504395
Was that during a quick stop test or a smooth stop? In my DMV test there was a test for smooth stop, where you had to come to a controlled stop within a box without skidding, then there was an emergency stop where you had to stop as quick as possible and it didn't matter if you skid or not.

>>17504374
>not even a 600.

Kill yourself, you absolute idiot.

>>17504421
They're snappy and don't tolerate shit.
Not fast, but quick.

A 650 is tame and slow compared to them.

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>>17504394
>>17504407
>600
no, 600s
like the anon said.

>>17504424
It was the emergency stop portion. I don't remember a smooth stop being part of the test.

I want a 600 but can't justify having to listen to that angry bees sound all day.

v4 > crossplane i4 > all vtwins > ptwin with a particular crank angle > thumper > 180 ptwin > i4

>>17504424
>allowing to skid during an emergency stop

What. The entire exercise is about keeping control, even in a emergency.

>tfw I have no ABS and always put my bike sideways during emergency braking.

>>17504437
absolutely wrong.

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>>17504437
>mfw sold V4 and bought a thumper
oops

>>17504440
If you got skillz you can still effectively stop with the rear skidding. It's not "losing control"

>>17504437
>nobike:thepost

>>17504458
When you get you license you don't have skills yet.

>>17504458
skidding the rear wheel means that you're not stopping as quickly as you could be, even if you maintain control of it
>inb4 "the best fastest way to stop is to lie the bike on its side!"

>>17504437
worst part is it's impossible to buy a used sport bike with stock exhaust. I want a quiet bike, especially if it's that annoying I4 scream REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>17504469
I had been riding for about 7 years when I got my license.

>>17504470
If you're stopping with all of the bike's potential then literally all of the weight is on the front wheel so it doesn't really matter what you do with the rear.

>>17504399
nah I don't want that old shit

looks nasty

Need to decide between sprint and f800 then.

Both similar prices but I pay nearly twice as much for the insurance (£300 vs £550)

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how safe is a PASGT helmet in case of a crash?

>>17504483
I have that old shit. You don't want that old shit. I don't think the similar bike are going to be that much better unless you can get ahold of one that already has luggage on it. Factory luggage is why you buy a sports tourer, once you get past being a brand name fanboy and being scared of a sportbike because FUD.

>>17504494
not

>>17504479
You probably want the rear to be controlled though. Given that if it ain't you're probably flying

>>17504502
It was a stop in a straight line on a controlled test course. Skidding the rear isn't going to throw me off.

If my panniers are the same width as my handlebars does that mean if the bars fit it the rest of the bike will always fit?

I'm just looking at these things and its scaring the shit out of me but I measured it and sure enough they're all the same width.

>>17504509
That is the most hurr thing I've read all week

>>17504509
in a straight line

makes spatial awareness when turning a little more complex though, because the middle of the bike is narrow and the part that widens is out of your field of view

>>17504509
what kind of an answer are you even looking for
>>17504517
this

What's the bike equivalent of hooning in a car while listening to eurobeat?

Riding a bike always feels like too much of a sport. All focus, all the time, no reckless fun. Even during wheelies.

>>17504526
Dirt biking. I love street bikes, but dirt biking around with your friends is a blast.

>>17504228
When I took mine they flat-out failed half the class, I think in an attempt to upsell private lessons.

12 People Total

3 Passed with no issue:
-Dirt Bike Kid, rode flawlessly
-Old Harley Guy, rode near perfect
-Black Dude That Rode With No License For Years, also made no errors.

3 Passed by 1 point

5 Failed by 1 point (myself included) of those 5 3 of us should have passed by a point or two based on the scoring rubric.

1 guy flatout failed his feet basically never left the ground the entire weekend.

When the 5 of us re-took the test two weeks later, the one guy who paid for private lessons passed with no issue and the other 4 of us passed by 1 point. (again going by the scoring in the MSF manual some of us should have been scored better....).

>>17504535
Can you dirtbike with eurobeat? Is it a night of fire?

>>17504419

ABS use was encouraged during my last refresher course so you knew how it felt when it engaged.

>>17503923
Goddamn the storage on the Vultus is worthless (and UK model doesn't even have the panniers as an option), but I'd still buy one if I had somewhere to store it away from thieving bastards.

>>17504609
Why can't honda do anything right?

>>17504328
Get the Viffer.
VFR800Fi (98 to 2001 IIRC) is the one to go for, ditches the carbs but you still keep the delicious geared cams. The 2001-2007 VTECs you want to avoid, cam-chain tensioners are notorious and the VTEC got tuned properly post-2008 to avoid the JUST KICKED IN YO bump. Post-2014 VTEC is great, but at that point you may as well just buy a new one.
VFR750 is an option if you're willing to do a lot more wrenching yourself and deal with old carbs.

>>17504546
when I did mine there were ~9 people and only two failed, both were women. One was a middle aged woman and she dropped the bike during the test, the other was much younger, and she ran wide on the turns. they were both allowed to take retests later in the afternoon.

>>17504619
It doesn't even come in a red option outside Japan. WHY WOULD YOU MAKE AN ANIME BIKE THAT ISN'T RED?!

>>17504631
Don't forget to replace the R/R with a mosfet-based unit or your bike will literally explode.

It makes a sound like "VFR" as it goes up in flames from a fatal overvolt condition.

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>>17504609
There's tons of aftermarket stuff for it, though.

What really bothers me about it is the auto-only tranny.

Literally why.

Also, the prototype was called the Vultus but the production model is just 'nm4'.

>>17504637
>cool thing from japanese company
>is only available in japan

every time

>>17504609
off a literal review of the bike

>And those handy saddlebags? They actually look much larger than they are, being just large enough to hold a box of condoms, though ironically it’s unlikely you’ll be using them after being seen on the NM4.

Truth.

>>17504705
>NM4 riders nut inside

baller

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>>17504717
B A L L I N'

Who tf agreed to put this into production.

>>17504721
Someone who tried to make a harley in blender and failed

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>>17504721
>>17504754
Eeeeeh, I like it. And not because 'anime this, anime that', mind you.

Hot opinion:
Highly customized cruisers are the same thing as cafe racers. Ape hangers and suicide shifters are some of the dumbest things to put on a modern motorcycle.

Three quarter and half helmets should be illegal.
The safety course should be mandatory.
We should have a learner's restriction on displacement.
The attitude that a larger motorcycle will always be better than a smaller one is cancer.
Every rider should know how to maintain their wear parts, and should do them for at least one season.
A roadside toolkit should be in everyone's bags. So should a first aid kit.
Buy a centerstand.
Always keep a reflective vest tucked under your seat. Use it at night.

Fite me.

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>>17504879
LAND OF THE FREE
should be allowed to learn on a turbo busa with no helmet, just underwear and flipflops
gubment should have no right to interfere

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>brand new
>2 year warranty
>$8998

Why not?

>>17504879
>Three quarter and half helmets should be illegal.
>We should have a learner's restriction on displacement.
Only two I have a different opinion on, if some ass sucker wants to risk their lives to look cool or look like a manly man that´s up to them. They´ll have to live with the consequences, let natural selection take its course.

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>tfw you don't wake up in time to go riding

>>17504922
>>17504935
Those people drive up the cost of insurance for us and especially for young guys. It also gives us a bad image.

Another hot opinion:
Loud pipes make a bike sound worse and often give off interference. A properly tuned bike with a proper silencer sounds better. Removing a baffle should be like watching children play at a splash pad.
If you do it, you deserve to be assaulted.

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>>17504922
fucking this, and im not even meming

>>17504879
>We should have a learner's restriction on displacement.

this is fucking dumb. power doesn't prevent you from learning. power doesn't necessarily get you in trouble. displacement doesn't necessarily mean 100+hp.

instead, we should just have a flat out sportbike ban for learners, plus a ban on anything with more than, i dunno, 100hp. that's sensible. trust me, the difference in the "am i going too fast for that corner now? oh shit" between a ninja 500 and an i4 600 is marginal until you're purposefully breaking the speed limit.

learners don't get to be hunched over.
learners don't get ride something under the pretense that they will magically be able to drag knee because the bike is made to go fast bro
learners don't get a chance to ruin nice fairings the rest of us could have appreciated.
learners need centerstands so they can more easily prevent their chains from snapping

and if learners need anything, they need GPS units that call mom, dad, and officer johnston when they go more than 10mph over the posted speed limit.

speaking of chains, if your bike has less than 50hp it should have A FUCKING BELT.

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>>17504976
>It also gives us a bad image.
fuck off
you might be ok with having no rights, but I'm not

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>new front wheel
>new fork oil
>new taper roller steering head bearings (fuck yes)

its like magic, completely new bike, even got less engine vibrations in the handlebars and its a lot more stable above 200 km/h.

Not even mentioning how SMOOTH and STABLE it corners now.

>HP limits
>not torque limits

>>17504976
Nothing gives off a better image than a young man in full gear riding a GSXR1K responsibly, actually, especially if he still has a bit of masking tape residue on his headlight.

>displacement limits, but not power limits

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All this leftocuckery needs to go back

>>17505016
hoff you did it yourself lmao

>>17505084
actually did

Dont regret i did but i will NEVER EVER do it again.

Those bearings are a fucking nightmare, especially on this bike.

>>17505095
hast you ne USD Gabel?

>>17505003
>>17505026
Got to love burgers that still value their country.

God bless you, anons ;____;7

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>>17505111
nö

>>17505127
>>>>>>>>kawa """""""performance""""""""""
LMAA dann ist ja EZ mode

>>17505129
die Lagerschalen im Lenkerschaft? Viel spass das ohne Spezialwerkzeug zu machen, vor allem weil as unter nur 2 Kerben hat wo man von oben hinter die schale kommen kann, und eine davon komplett nutzlos ist weil die Schale zu dünn/die Kerbe zu klein ist.

How about this for a hot opinion:

I think ABS, TCS, wheelie control and any other type of electronic nonsense that overrides the rider's imput to keep things 'in check' should not be allowed for those riding less than 5 years, or younger than 25yo.

>>17505169
i think most guys under 25 ride bikes without advanced electronics anyways.

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>>17505147
>schaft
pffffffff hahahaahh
>mgw das mein Job ist so ne scheiße jeden tag zu machen

>spooned on new rear tire yesterday
>only used tools that I carry on the bike (2 12 inch tire spoons and some soapy water) so I could practice changing a tire / tube out if I get a flat in the middle of nowhere
>got old tire off and new tire on after a couple hours and a lot of effort
>threw back out a bit trying to get last bit of new tire spooned on
>bruised palms from pushing as hard as I could on 12" tire spoons

Damn that rear tire was a bitch to get off / on, the front tire was a hell of a lot easier.

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What is it with Germans immediately reverting to German as soon as they spot another German? It's incredibly rude not to speak the common language in an international discussion.

t. German

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>>17505214
netter versuch, falsch-flaggen anon.

>>17505198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Dh16hLPEc

just use the right tools

How much horsepower and torque do you really need to safely ride on the highway? I'm finding myself attracted to thumpers but most of the options are lower displacement and I'm worried having a hard time accelerating at highway speeds (which is already somewhat undesirable in the vehicle I have).

>>17505239
I run tubes though

>>17505249
What are the "highway speeds" you're going to be riding at? 60mph? 80mph?

>>17505249
35 hp

>>17505251
well thats your fault isnt it?

Man /dbt/ has really gone downhill (and that's saying something) since most of the Euros moved to WhatsApp.

>>17505255
Highest speed limits on the highways near me are 75-80 mph, others drop down to 65-70 mph.

>>17505265
>giving dozens of people on the internet your phone number ever

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>>17505287
>met them in real life
>have them on Facbok
>HUUUH NO MUH PHONE MUH ANONYMESE

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>>17505297
>meeting people in real life

>>17504879
I agree with everything you said, except the reflective vest part. I have one under my seat at all times, but that's in case I walk around, e.g. at accident scenes or when I'm walking to the gas station because I thought the reserve would last another 5 km, or I guess for when my tail light gives out again.

>>17505287
I'll give it to the ones at SEM in case of accidents / someone getting lost or shit like that. What's the worst that can happen?

>>17505306
I don't mind giving my number to people I've actually met, but the wording made it sound like a pile of strangers simply moved to Whatsapp.

>>17505320
Unlike you Americans, we Euros actually manage to meet up and give each other reacharounds. We're no strangers to love. You know the rules and so do I.

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>>17505302
>putting any identifiable info on 4chan

>>17505261
Is there even anything that isn't a 650cc+ dualsport that makes that?

>>17505331
which is why we left and formed the 'Murrica.

>>17505356
????
an R1 makes 200 hp

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holy shit zx14's are fast as fuck

>>17505373
The R1 isn't a thumper.

>>17505379
>Racheal
Why can't Americans spell common names correctly?

>>17505384
Yeah it is, what do you think the "1" stands for? 1 cylinder, that's what.

>>17505384
and?
it's not a 650cc+ dualsport that makes 35 or more hp

also the WR 450/ YZ 450 and basically all 450ccs make about 50 hp
the DR-Z400 makes about 43 or so

I was going to get a grom for a first bike but I found a ninja 250 for sale close to my home for like $1500 less than a grom, should I go for it? I would have so much money left over and the bike has less than 10k on the clock and looks mint.

>>17504929

It's going to need a lot of unscheduled maintenance, and parts are expensive outside of Italy even if you do it all yourself.

My friend with an F3 800 basically lives in my garage every other weekend trying to keep that POS alive.

>>17505404
Unless you're a midget the Ninja 250 is going to be the better bike for 99% of riders.

>>17505404
Yes, you should buy a motorcycle instead of a hyped up scooter that rich kids on youtube use for ironic wheelies.

>>17505379
Yeah, it's got a 1450cc engine for fucks sake. Flash the ecu, open up some airflow, and you'll be close to 200 with the right sprockets

>>17505379
>lowering kit

fucking blasphemy.

Only in america

>>17505422
>>17505423

agreed but aren't 250's glorified scooters? For less than 2k I should just go pick it up, I just want to ride something.

>>17505402
>it's not a 650cc+ dualsport that makes 35 or more hp
I was asking the question because I'm finding myself attracted to single cylinder bikes and was wondering about riding on the highway.

>WR 450/ YZ 450
Not street legal.

>DR-Z400 makes about 43 or so
39 actually, but at least that's something.

>>17505439
No, they're motorcycles.

125s are glorified scooters.

>>17505439
Ninja 250 has a parallel twin engine and 6-speed transmission that can actually do highway speeds.

The Grom has a 4 speed transmission, makes less than 10 hp, and tops out at around 60MPH....

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>>17505439
>>17505447
>>17505469
Really, anything under 600cc or 55hp is just a glorified scooter.

Anybody on 100,000+ miles?

>>17505474
Just ticked over 15k miles last weekend.

>>17505436
It's basically a cruiser and this one has been modded for maximum straight line speed. Lowering it is pretty reasonable given what it's used for. I mean, you wouldn't bitch about a drag racing bike with NOs and an extended swingarm, right?

>>17505489
of course i would, drag racing ruins what makes bikes special, the difference to car drag-racing is neglectable.

guys is there another super eurobeat channel on youtube, i mean they shut down the old one right?

pls help

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>>17505489
>>17505523

>>17505523
>stop having badwrong fun!

>>17503882
T U O N O

>>17505183

There are only a few bikes that have the very best electronic aids and none of them are really suitable for beginners. BMW S1000 ( and it's adventureish brother ) Duc Multi, KTM 1190/1290.

>Bunch of poorfags for sure.

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>>17505547
Fucking niggers.

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>>17505356

>>17505638
Good luck finding one of those

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>>17505638
that image makes me feel sad

>>17505198
I do my own with simple spoons, I do have a big set of bikemaster bead breaking pliers that I bust the beads with before I take the wheels off the bike.

I don't think I've taken more than about 30 minutes including the time to R&R the wheel.

You just need a little practice.

Does anyone here have thoughts / experience on a BMW F800GS?

It's on the lighter end of most of the "adventure" bikes and makes a good deal more power than my current DR650 which, along with the taller gearing, would really help me out on longer highway stretches.

>>17505249
I wouldn't want to do it with less than about 35-40. I'm a big dude ( 240 lbs, 6'4" Chad you manlet fucks ).

I rode my friends WR250x the other day ( not stock and a dyno sheet showing 29hp ) and holy fuck that thing was pathetic. Slight hill and it was taking FOREVER to haul me past 70mph.

>>17505713
>240 lbs
>Chad
More like fat fuck.

>>17505638
Wait, is that a belt drive?

>>17505443
>WR 450/ YZ 450
>Not street legal.

I'm in California and my 2012 WR450 is.

>you can work around it in most states.

Anyone wanna ride to Canadian anime conventions with me
pls respond

Redpill me on triumphs

>>17505735
Slower than italians, yet somehow less reliable

>>17505732
>Anyone wanna ride to Canadia
lmao no

>>17505717
> manlet detected.

>>17505744
Not even, but the fact that you weigh like 2/3rds as much as a motorcycle and use burger units is kind of a giveaway.

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any recomendations on magnetic tank bags?
It seams like there are a lot of gimmicks like gps mounts and back pack conversions are any of those sorts of things worth it? are there any brands I should avoid that are poorer quality?

>>17504992
>speaking of chains, if your bike has less than 50hp it should have A FUCKING BELT.
why?

>tfw still can't decide between F800St and FJR1300 and R1200R

>>17505790
>here, let me put this driveline with 40% parasitic loss on my already gutless bike
He's retarded

>>17505797
K1300 or r1150 others a shit

>>17505757
>a motorcycle

Poor manlet detected.

>Only has one

>>17505713
>Slight hill and it was taking FOREVER to haul me past 70mph.
Well shit, I'm a bit lighter than you but in my state undivided highways have 70 MPH speed limits and divided highways mostly have 80 MPH speed limits.

>>17505810
Oh sorry, I made the mistake of assuming you had reading comprehension. I'll try to make you like me instantly:
USA USA USA TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT GUNS 9/11 NEVAR FORGET BURGERS CIRCUMCISION RED CUPS HILLBILLY REDNECK COUNTRY MUSIC DIABEETUS MOILITY SCOOTER

>>17505824
>this asspain
fucking wew lad

bakuon rewatch when?

>>17505806
Yeah I might consider the r1150r, it is certainly a damn sight cheaper.

K1300 is way too powerful.

>>17505835
why not now

>>17505720
Yes

>>17505822
A 250 isn't going to cut it.

DRZ or 390 Duke minimum if you are thinking thumper. The KTM/Husqvarna street legal 350s too if you don't mind changing the oil often.

Really light and small guys can get by on the WR250/CRF250 but even they have to plan a pass way in advance on highways.

>>17505829
Obviously a Napoleon complex, fucking manlets.

>>17504649
More likely it will just fail silently and one day you fill find battery voltage has dropped enough that the starter won't operate.
Replacement is a piece of piss (take off seat fairing with 4 bolts, unbolt old reg/rec with two bolts, plug one plug, then do the reverse to install the new one. In all likelihood, any VFR800Fi with the reg/rec problem has already has its replaced years ago.

>>17505637
>chinese calendar in background of pic
why do they hate dogs so much, or just any animal in general? all animal abuse originates in china

>>17505379
do you really NEED to go 200mph? Won't someone please think of the children.

>>17506209
BAN HIGH CAPACITY ASSAULT TANKS

>>17505846
R1200 literally breaks itself
K1300 is not that powerful, but unbelievably smooth and comfy

Am I the only one that thinks i3's sound lame? Not as throaty as a twin/single and not as much scream as an i4.

They kind of just sound like lamer i4's

>>17506249
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRxrEnuK1QE

What are you talking about?

>>17506249
An i4 sacrifices low end torque for top end horsepower, a V-twin sacrifices high horsepower for low end torque, an i3 sacrifices any chance of sounding good for both.

any particularly fun riding places around eastern NC?

>>17506288
>An i4 sacrifices low end torque for top end horsepower
Right, that's why all naked bikes have the exact same engine characteristics as super sports.

>>17506266
>lamer i4's
seems pretty accurate

>>17506288
>low end torque for top end horsepower
when people compare torque to horsepower is a huge pet peeve, you could literally just say bottom/mid/high end power or torque

If you have high rpm torque you have high rpm horsepower, if you're torque happens at low rpm you have bottom end power

It's all horsepower that you feel

>>17506320
What you feel is force, which is caused by torque being applied at the rear axle. Power is the energy your engine is converting (chemical into mechanical + heat, though only the mechanical portion is considered) in a given amount of time (dependent on engine RPM).
So you pretty much have it backwards: power is what goes in, and torque is what comes out.

Looking at a new kawi. I like both the z650 and the ninja 650. What do you guys like for commuting and occasional touring. I like the full fairing on the ninja now but don't know if I'll like it later
I'm a cruiser Fag presently but took a advantage demo rides the past few weekends. Way more comfortable in an upright position.

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>>17506320
>if you're torque happens at low rpm you have bottom end power
Do you?

>>17503673
>Is it rude/uncouth to walk into a store with your helmet on?
I've consulted other riders in my area about it and they just say sometimes it's too much of a hassle to take their helmet off. It's understandable, but I just feel like it's more polite to take your helmet off when going inside, even if I need one or two things. It's just becoming such a annoyance now desu

>>17506345
No

Horsepower is the output at the shaft or wheel, depending on the method of measurement

Horsepower is a measure of torque at an rpm

Horsepower= (RPM x Torque) / 5252

where the torque happens at a given rpm is horsepower so if you say bottom end torque, as in low rpm torque, you are talking about horsepower.

>>17506361
I walked into a 7/11 with my helmet on at like 1am once when there was just a little asian girl working and she got super freaked out, take it off every time since.

>>17506365
i feel like people are staring at me like i'm gonna rob the place or something, so i take it off

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>>17504234
bought my 07 triumph speed triple 1050 for 3k off CL

>>17506374
how the fuck

>>17504015
no answers? What's the best hooning sportbike tire for the money?

>>17506355
yes, notice on the graph you posted how the light red torque curve has more torque at low rpm and less at high rpm, and results in less power (light blue line) the darker red line has more torque almost everywhere, but especially at high rpm and as a result makes much more power at high rpm (dark blue line)

>>17506361
A lot of gas stations around here have signs on the doors saying to remove any hats, caps, hoods, etc prior to entering the store. There have been a lot of armed robberies at the convenience stores here over the last few years and they don't want you coming into the store with anything that could obscure part of your face/head so helmets are absolutely not allowed to be worn into the store.

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>>17505732
>anime conventions

>>17506400
>not finding qt trap cosplayers to fuck

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>>17506405

>>17506364
Horsepower is a unit, not a quantity. Power is a quantity, one unit (not even an SI unit) of which is horsepower.
An engine converts chemical energy (the potential to perform work) into mechanical energy plus thermal energy. The rate at which it does this (energy per time, or energy integrated over RPM, taking into account number of strokes) is the power INPUT. In order to determine power OUTPUT, one has to determine the amount of mechanical work that was done over a certain time. The mechanical work is force integrated over distance. I.e. the force that the rear wheel imparts on the ground, integrated over the distance the bike traveled during the time that was measured. Where does that force come from? It stems from the TORQUE at the rear axle and can be calculated by integrating the torque over the wheel diameter. Torque causes force, which can be used to calculate power output.
Your adapted quantity equation can be used to quickly calculate one from the other, but it does not show the causality between torque and power output.

>riding back from keys, around largo
>see two bikes coming up behind me
>they move to pass me on the left lane
>wave at first bike
>plaid shirt guy on harley sportster
>doesn't wave back
>wave at second rider
>atgatt qt on mv dragster rr
>waves back at me
I'm gonna make it guys

>>17506429
what the fuck point are you trying to make, I'm not arguing whether gasoline contains energy, and I can generate a whole lot of torque at tiny rpm's with just a wrench

Torque is a force
Work is force*distance
Power is work/time
Yes, power comes from the torque. However with gearing reductions you can get the same power with less torque and more revs. With gearing reductions the result is the same torque and power at the rear wheel whether the engine is making 20 foot pounds of torque at 5000rpm or 40 foot pounds at 2500rpm.

The power at the rear wheel is the same as the power at the engine (minus drive train losses). The same power/torque/force/acceleration/whatever is experienced at the rear wheel no matter how fast the engine is spinning or how much torque it makes, so long as the engines are producing the same horsepower and the rear wheel speed is the same.

>>17506463
The point I was making that you got cause and effect mixed up, as well as quantities and units:
"Horsepower" isn't what the rider feels as the thing that makes him go fast. Horsepower is a unit used for quantifying the quantity "power.
"Power" isn't the go-fast-maker either, it is a purely mathematical construct that describes the relationship between the work that was done and the time that passed.
"Force" is what you feel (acceleration times mass). It results from torque at the rear axle (that's the CAUSE) and can be used to calculate the work that was done (and from that, the power output).

>>17506449
you followed her right?

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Why won't my FZ8 redline when I try to max it out? Also my naked bike is the fastest.

>>17506473
I noticed I made a mistake: Torque is force integrated over lever length, not the other way around. The causality between torque and force is still the same: torque applied at the pivot leads to force at the end of the lever (wheel perimeter).

Torque is not a force. Force is the result of torque being applied at the pivot of a lever of a given length.
Work is only force * distance if the force is constant over the distance. This is not the case in real-life accelerating vehicles.
Power is only work / time if the work is constant over the time. This is not the case in real-life accelerating vehicles.
The gearing reduction does not change anything about the engine; power input and torque output (at the crankshaft) stay the same. It does lead to a smaller lever length, which in turn means higher force output, which means more work being done (assuming the distance stays the same), which means higher power output. Again, torque leads to force, which you use to calculate energy and power output.

>>17506473
cont.
The power at the rear wheel is indeed the same as that at the crankshaft, minus drive train losses. I'm not sure what your point is; in any case both are mathematical constructs, not quantities that can be determined by direct measurement.
>the same power/torque/force/acceleration/whatever is experienced at the rear wheel no matter how fast the engine is spinning or how much torque it makes
What. Literally accelerate from 30 to 60, once in 2nd and once in 6th. You will notice that there is a difference in the force that the rear wheel applies to the ground. That is because the crankshaft torque stays the same, but the ratio between crankshaft torque and rear axle torque is altered (alternative interpretation: the effective lever length of the crankshaft is altered, leading to altered force output at the same torque).
>so long as the engines are producing the same horsepower
Engines don't produce horsepower, they produce torque which can be used to calculate power output, which is often quantized in the unit "horsepower".

>>17506525
fora bit but I lost her at spaghetti street

>>17506532
>Torque, moment, or moment of force (see "Defining Terminology" below) is rotational force.
t. wikipedia

>>17506553
OK so distance is the same as speed, good to know. You know, since they both have the same unit, except one is also multiplied by seconds.

>>17506530
>148 mph
Air drag.

>>17506478
>"Horsepower" isn't what the rider feels as the thing that makes him go fast.
yes it is

>>17506573
Nice job ignoring the posts I made explaining in detail what it is you're feeling and how it differs from "horsepower".

>>17506580
>the posts I made explaining in detail
you mean rambling semantic nonsense

>>17506569
Only way to stay cool in Texas.

>>17506585
I mean my coherent and logical explanation that is based upon observable principles validated by repeatable experiments.

>>17506590
watch out for yellow porsches

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>>17506590
I'm rather aware.
>DFWfag

>>17506565
ur dum. torque is a rotational force, meaning it only differs from normal force in that it acts on a lever arm instead of a straight line.

>>17506596
sounded like you were trying to rehearse a physics text book of the top of your head and got lost with the direction of your thinking

>>17503753
Damn, my dad started on a 1000

>>17506607
>>17506590
>living in texass
wew

>>17503882
Thruxton R

>>17506610
Then why is torque measured in Nm while force is measured in N? Surely, if both describe the same quantity, they should have the same unit?

>>17506613
Please point out where I made mistakes or skipped parts, and detail in what way power output is "felt" by the rider.

>>17506607
I'm also a DFWfag. I don't think the cops even care about bikes speeding around here any more.

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>>17506617
There's nothing wrong with Texas, friend.

>>17506641
cept all the spics, obesity, heat/humidity, shitty landscape, and lack of winter.

>>17506629
because the lever arm must have length too. Apply force to the lever at 1 meter away and you will have the same quantity.

>>17506647
Hold on now partner. No winter means longer riding seasons. Humidity isn't bad if your willing to squid around or just stay out of city's and ride back roads.

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>>17506641
Texas is fucking awful and I hate this garbage state.

San Antonio was fucking garbage, Houston had decent strip clubs, and fuck northern Texas in particular. Oklahoma is fucking trash and it spilled in to this to make a big mixed bag of shit.

>>17506647
>shitty landscape

In the East we have deep woods, rolling hills, rivers, and lakes. Central TX has vast prairies that give way to the TX Hill Country as you go a bit farther West. Palo Duro Canyon (2nd largest canyon in N. America after the Grand Canyon) is in the Panhandle region and out in Far West TX you have Big Bend. Oh, and lots of coastline too if oceans are your thing.

>>17506666
don't forget califags moving in to "keep austin weird"

>>17506670
I haven't been to Austin so I can't say anything about it. San Antonio has fuckall except the riverwalk, which is just a tourist trap.

Also fuck this weather. Anyone who thinks 80% humidity mixed with 100 degree temperatures is comfy is a fucking troll.

>>17506648
So? Go straight for 1 second at 1 m/s and your speed is one meter? Are you clinically retarded? They are seperate things.

>>17506629
>detail in what way power output is "felt" by the rider.
It's exactly that, that was my initial point and you just said it your self.

Power output is felt by the rider.

Power output, as in horsepower, is felt by the rider.

Horsepower is what ultimately felt.

>>17506724
acceleration is what is ultimately felt

>>17506724
Pray tell, which sensory organ can sense "power"?

>>17506736
the butt-dyno

>>17506668
It just takes forever to get to those places.
You could make an entire month trip of full days riding each day in Texas and just barely cover all those places.

>>17506838

>>17506838

>>17506838

>>17506838

Proper OP this time, son.

Just so I don't have to post the nm4's watermelon again.

>>17506827
I did 3000 miles in TX over a couple of weeks a few years ago, saw most of what I wanted to see except for Big Bend and Palo Duro. Late September / early October next year I'll be riding out to Big Bend, the Guadalupe Mountains, Carlsbad, White Sands, and then back through Palo Duro over about 10 days. I'm starting from far East TX and I'm planning on 2 full days of riding just to get across the state to Big Bend.

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>>17504117
that guy's on something, that bike isn't worth that much, even with the low miles. Low miles at that age aren't necessarily a good thing, like other anons have said, with only 1k miles over 11 years, there was probably some missed maintenance in there. I bought a 2007 Ninjette with 6k miles on it for 1200 last year. Either tell this guy he needs to get closer to blue book or just ignore his post altogether. If you go see it, tell him to take that fucking sticker off the tank, and call him a faggot for me.

>>17504191
looks like a fucking Decepticon

>>17506209
stfu pussy

>>17505436
>woman lowers bike to be able to flat foot it for safety
>anon says modding for safety is blasphemy.
youre a special kind of stupid, arent ya? who would want to have to one leg their bike? fucking kys

>>17504217
>Take MSF course
>everyone passes
>even the people that shouldnt have
>one guy whiskey throttled into the wall and broke the bike
>I got delirious from heat exhaustion

Arizona should be nuked

>>17504494
>Local man loses face, more at 10

>>17504922
Unironically true, fuck the police, fuck the government.

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