The Great Debate Left Up or Right Down

Right down. I don't want to press a fucking button and pretend shift into first gear.

>>17481706
Up-left makes it harder to inadvertently shift into reverse. Plus it's more conveniently located because after you back out of your driveway, you'll need to start in first and it's right there.

>>17481706
>moving hand forwards to go backwards

Who the fuck thought that was a good idea?

Just put it in R. Then D when you are ready to go.

Jesus that was easy.

>>17481725
What's wrong with that? You move your hand backwards to shift into second gear, so you can move forward faster.

>>17481715

i have to push a button and pretend to shift into sixth gear, that's sad

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>>17481719
>Up-left makes it harder to inadvertently shift into reverse
When has any competent adult ever selected reverse instead of a 6th gear they do not have?

>>17481746
If you're trying to downshift, you might just idly throw the lever backwards without realizing you have to move it over.

left-up for six speed, right-down for five

>>17481749
>move it over
There is a reason they put springs around it

The absolute worse is when the reverse is right under Fifth Gear

>>17481706
What about Left Down?
That's what I have.

Left up feels so fucking weird after driving my 6 speed with right down. Plus I hate having to pull the lock up on left up.

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>>17481732
>not having a dogleg gearbox

>>17481706
Left up, it's closer to the gear you're in to begin with and/or will need next

>>17481706
Right up.

Push down and shift into 6th is the best way to reverse, debate me.

>>17481729
Shut it ya fat inbred retard. The real drivers are talking here

Left down.
It's more natural and easiest movement.

>>17481802
Damn I wish my BMW had this shift pattern would be so much faster with second and third in one row.

>>17481896
It was pretty rare. I remember it being an option on the e28 M535i, but I'm not sure what else if anything else exists. Getrag 265/5 sport or something

>>17481729
Automatic fag driver alert

>>17481706
Left up of fucking course, right down is 6th gear.

>>17481915
The original M3 had it.

>>17482794
I have sixth gear and right down.
When I was at a dealership test driving cars (same model I now own but not this exact one) the braindead employee kept putting it into 6th and got confused why he kept stalling trying to get it out of the parking space.

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>>17481706
Right down. Left up sucks because the lockout limits the amount of after market knobs you can use. Pic related

>>17481725
Yoorup. It's pretty much the standard for manual shift patterns over there. The other one is Murican. I dunno if it really matters where, you generally only need reverse gear maybe 5% of the time and it's not hard to figure it out. I mean, you look on your fucking gearknob and there it is.

>>17484222
>The other one is Murican
My weebshit SUV (Suzuki Sidekick) has the right pattern, I have experienced the left pattern in a '13 Hyundai Accent and I honestly think it's lame as fuck.

>>17481706
Subaru's reverse gear lock is great.

Left up

>>17481746
>competent adult
You forget about all the incompetent tired fuck out there.
Saw some retard throw his suv into reverse while doing 90km/h down the highway just the other day

>>17481706
i have 2 cars with both patterns. i think left up is better just because its right next to 1 and ive accidentally gone into 4th a handful of times when i was trying to reverse in my other car

>>17481896

That's the idea. It's actually designed for racing.
You hardly ever use first gear on a racetrack, so it makes sense only having one slow shift (from 3rd to 4th), than having two slow shifts (2nd to 3rd, and 4th to 5th).

>>17484222
Bong here. This is bullshit. I've never even seen a five speed with a left-up reverse.

>>17484678

>trusting a bong
>even once

>>17481836
This is where my vette is at

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>>17481706
obviously toward you and up.

>>17484678
So you've never driven a VW

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>>17481706
right down

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What about left down

>>17481706
Left up, but I'm used to Eaton products in class 8 vehicles. It's always left up. Watching me try to drive right down manuals is hilarious because I'm always either hitting first when I want to reverse or second when I want first.

5 speed with right-down reverse and a wall/lockout only allowing you to go from 1st or 2nd to R masterrace

>>17485663
Seems like too high a chance to accidentaly shift into reverse while downshifting from 3-2.

>>17485696
>accidentally shift into reverse
Nah, it probably won't go there without a secondary feature being engaged. Mine is a spring which has to be compressed to fit under the gate of the shifter. You have to use your palm to press the knob down in order to get that done and into reverse, almost impossible to do accidentally.

>>17485481
3 on the tree master race

>>17481729
This tbqhwyf

>>17485481
What's the point of a 3-speed manual? Isn't that inefficient?

>>17485696
You either need to pull a ring up, or press the knob down to get into reverse.
And if you're moving, it doesn't go into revers anyway.

>>17485973
at the time of conceival of the 3-speed manual gearbox (which i suppose its from a ford falcon) it was either that or a 2 speed auto, which was even shittier as you may imagine

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>>17481706
>only 5 gears
gearlets when will they learn?

>>17486114
>needing to shift more often to produce the same power
>not having usable torque at better rev ranges
5 speed > 6 speed

>>17485696
Thats an Audi R8 brotha it definitely has a lockout or something to prevent an easy money shift.

>>17486297
Normally the 6th gear is an overdrive, for lower rpm on highways.

>>17481802
The V12 Vantage's 7 speed is like that
looks sick

right down FTW!
Altho mostly just glad others out there even still know how to drive stick :-/

>>17487009
Alright cool, thanks for the post my reddit friend.

Right down, always

>>17481736
Kek

>>17485663
Every modern car has a lockout.
You can't even downshift from 6th to 1st at 60mph, the car won't let you

>>17486329
I have a first gen R8. You have to push the lever down to engage reverse.

One shit thing about it though is that if I'm trying to drive fast, sometimes I'll be pulling the lever to the left too much to prevent it from going into 3rd and it will hit against the side of the gated shifter, making me miss my shift into 2nd

>>17481792
This. Far left and down. Classic shelby mustangs and LandCruiser 4spd are this way.

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>>17481749
did no one ever

>if you drove stick you'd realize it rtc faggot

>>17482820
>needing the pattern

you probably also look at the keybord when u typ

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>>17487397
you know it

>>17487416
And I type with my index fingers only

>>17485973
see
>>17486092
however i still enjoy my 72 f150 with it's 3 on the tree. really confuses new passengers.

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Left-down is good, when you turn and look behind you it's in a convenient position (for LHD vehicles).

>>17487416
>no punctuation
>no capitalisation
>when u typ
You should probably be looking at the keyboard a bit more. But no, I agree. If you have to look down at the gear stick every time you need to change gears, you shouldn't be driving.

>>17486297
but muh em pee gees

>>17484762
Same. Reverse lockout makes it impossible to go 4-reverse too.

>>17481883
Where do you live where driving a manual transmission is something to feel proud of? Jesus.

Also the right side shifter is way better.

>>17481706
Right,down

>>17486297
>the same power
If they're shifting more often and the ratios are properly selected, they're staying higher in the power band.

>>17481802
My e30 is left up, would love to have a dogleg though

>>17485973
Engines used to have wide power bands

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>>17491223
No, they just had bands.

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>>17481802
I wonder...

>>17481719
>"inadvertently shift into reverse"
If you actually drove a manual you would know this can't be done

>>17485696
>shift into reverse while moving

have you driven a car?

>>17485696
Reverse gear on a manual has no synchronizer. You have to be at a complete stop before you can engage reverse.

>>17484222
Only european manufacturer that I drove that uses left-up is VAG. Volvo, Opel and Mercedes use right-down.
Left-up can be pretty nice if it's done well. Golf 3 I used to have had pushing the stick down to get into reverse. Opel had a ring you had to pull up while it had right-down layout. I preferred the golf's over the Opel. Volvo and Mercedes just blocked the reverse if you were driving over a certain speed

>>17481759
this

>>17485561
I have a VW with right down reverse. Five gears, VW UP.

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Push down lever then down left is the best

i haz question:
would you be able to convert a transmission to dog leg? in my mind it sounds as simple as splitting the in/out gearsets from their shafts and rearranging them so the forks work whatever set of gears in what position you want.

>>17481719
What a stupid argument.

>>17494852
Old beetles also pop right over towards first when you push out of reverse, makes it easy. Down-left a best.

>drive manual all my life
>Have to drive work van
>Boss keeps asking if I know how to drive manual
>Lol yes.
>Do a turn to back into driveway, no cars, blocking street
>Can't get into reverse
>Blocking cars
>Talking to other manual driver, he's stumped
>Call boss
>Reverse is opposite side and have to press button

>>17481706
I actually have a mix right now.
>MR-S with left-up no lockout
>S2000 with right-down and lockout
>Outback XT with right-down no lockout
>Legacy GT with right-down no lockout.
First car I ever had was an E36 with a slap left-up. Never really paid enough attention to develop a preference. To Honda's credit I've never accidentally thought I was in reverse when I really wasn't like I have with all of the others.

>>17494986
>pop right over towards first when you push out of reverse
This

>>17481706
left and a 6 speed

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Right up

>only 5 forward gears

lmao @ ur lyfe transmissionlets

>>17496074
What car has reverse gear right and up?

Anyway I have access to 3 cars and all of them have reverse gear at different location:

Car 1:
135
24R

Car 2:
R135
_24

Car 3:
_135
R24

I'm really starting to like left and down the best but to fair it might be because I drive that car the most.

I mean, the only car i have driven is a 5spd, with reverse to the right and down. Seems perfect, no chance of accidentally shifting into it. To the left and up would spook me out too much, would always be scared of going into reverse instead of first. I mean, maybe if it had some sort of lever or thing you pushed.

>>17481746
What car doesn't lock the reverse gate when you're in 5th? My gfs Ford focus does

I'm guessing that left up uses first in reverse instead of a separate gear for reverse like right down would so left up would be a lighter transmission.

therefore left up

>>17496669
No

>>17481706
Right down because Up-left makes it at least possible to start off in reverse instead of first by accident, but shifting from fifth/sixth into reverse is not fucking possible and anyone saying otherwise is a literal busriding retard

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>>17496600
Challenger.