Waterview tunnel has 18 speed cameras

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>>17456800
I might take my plates off again tonight and go have a look

>>17456837
Is it open yet?

>>17456844
I don't think so. They are going to open it secretly so no big queues form

>>17456800

What the fuck kind of retarded engineers couldn't even design their tunnel to handle vehicle exhaust? Did nobody think to stop its development when they realized this?

>>17456942
You would be amazed at the incompetence of Auckland transport. These are the people who made the Auckland harbour bridge 4 lanes and bought more from China

Why are we so terrible at roading
>Wellington "smart motorway"
>Makes my commute 30 minutes longer for over a year while they construct it
>Saves me no time when it opens
>Speed changes "with traffic flow"
>Gets it constantly wrong (100kmph when there's a traffic jam, 60kmph when traffic is flowing)
>Cops wait to ticket people when the speed limits drop

>>17457255
Even if the motorway had 100 lanes it wouldn't make a difference. At the end you merge down to 2 lanes, and then down to 1 for the majority of your trip to the airport. It's a joke. It's a shame the rich pricks decided not to do a basin flyover because it would make their houses drop a little in price.

Fun fact
>NZ transport brought a huge amount of houses to make 2 lanes to the airport possible
>Now their not allowed to, they rent them out for a profit
>Some of them they just leave empty despite there being a housing crisis (3 apartments with close to 30 units)
>Media refuse to report on it.

>>17457306
Lol if it was 100 lanes there would be one car driven by an Asian with blinkers on driving at 90 in every single one blocking the whole thing

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>>17456800
>>if a traffic jam forms in the tunnel, it will need to be evacuated. ie everyone turns off their cars and walks out
w h a t

>>17456800
Must be nice living in a country with no rights

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>>17459424
fear not
for the cancer spreads

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>>17459424
Well we can import whatever we want, and my z has no emissions equipment. At all. And its completely legal.

Also
>implying this couldn't happen in the states

>>17459042
Well the jet fans can't cope with all that exhaust, so there would be a risk of everyone getting CO poisoning if they got stuck in a traffic jam. It's only designed for spaced free flowing traffic

>>17460036
Speed cameras can't happen in the states because we're a free country

>>17456800
They have shit like this on the pacific highway (connecting NSW with QLD), where you pass one set of cameras, then another 100km's later and if you exceed an average time you get fined. I've heard it only applies to trucks but its still pretty bullshit.

>>17460056
It's called photoradar I believe and it's been in Europe forever. It's the main reason plate hiders are a thing

>>17460044
I don't believe you. I agree that they have no place in the world but some states must have them.

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>>17460077
I believe it's to do with being able to face your accuser and a camera can't go to court. I don't see why a cop couldn't go in the cameras place tho

>>17456800
Most of Italy's highways are monitored by a network of those average speed cameras. There is one every two or three kilometers in the most dense areas and they also act as normal speed cameras if needed.

Thankfully they don't adjust the limit with traffic or weather condition so they are always set for the max 130km/h, but still..

They suck nigger dicks because there is absolutely no way around them besides hiding your plates.
Also they measure the average between every camera, not just on the whole highway or between tolls, so you can't do a short run at say 200 followed by a run at 60 or a brief stop at a service station to keep your average legal, unless you make it all happen in the very short distance between cameras, which is extremely unpractical.

Pretty much every major highway has those and they plan on spreading the network everywhere possible.

>>17460044
Speed cameras can't happen in the US because you're behind the times and still prefer getting pulled over by meatheads three feet from semi trucks blasting by. It's more dangerous and less efficient.

>>17460044
Well that and we'd shoot them.

>>17460135
>It's more dangerous and less efficient.
And letting Ahmed fuck your wife for you is more efficient than doing it yourself, what's your point?

>>17460044
You must not live in Maryland or Washington, DC.

>>17460077
A few states can have them (ie laws have been passed to allow their use), but I don't think they actually use them.

>>17460080
You can contest a speed camera ticket in court.

>>17460153
>drive in Germany
>run speed camera
>continue about my business
>get 20 bucks fine in the mail a few weeks later

>drive in US
>go slightly over the speed limit
>meathead cop almost runs me off the road
>WADDAYA THINK YER DOIN YA JOHNNY FOREIGNER, I DON'T LIKE YER FACE AND YER RENTAL CAR SO IM GONNA FINE YA 280 BUCKS, SUCK IT UP, I ONLY LET PRETTY WOMEN AND LOCALS GO WITH A WARNING, SHIT SUCKS BUT THAT'S LIFE FOR YA, IT'S THE LLLLAAAAWWWW, DON'T CROSS THE THIN BLUE LINE, HAHAHA FAGGOT AND DON'T LET ME SEE YOU AGAIN IN MY TOWN

>>17460162
Do you get points on your license in Germany? In the UK you get three points for speeding (get 12 in total and you lose your license), that worries people more than having to pay the fine.

>>17457255
Lmao we have these shitters in England. They drop the speed limit every time they see a crisp packet blowing in the road.

>>17460362
Fucking this
I got my license 6 months ago, meaning for the next 18 months if I get just 2 points I have to retake my fucking piratical AND theory tests

Shit scares me way more than money

>>17460362
You get 1 point if your 21 kph over speed limit (13mph)
2 points if you are over 41 kph over limit.

You can have 8 points max. But they can be reduced.

That means you can always drive 20 more because its just 30€.

>>17460362
>Do you get points on your license in Germany?
There is a points system, but you don't get any points unless you drive more than 20 kph over the limit (outside of cities anyways)

>>17460605
"probation" here is 12 months, can't get ANY points (but as said above, you can get fined for minor speeding infringements)

>>17460362
>In the UK you get three points for speeding
Even for very minor "speeding"?

>>17460650
>>17460605
>>17460652
Found this interesting chart for UK
Speed limit / Min speed for a ticket / Min speed for prosecution
20mph 24mph 35mph
30mph 35mph 50mph
40mph 46mph 66mph
50mph 57mph 76mph
60mph 68mph 86mph
70mph 79mph 96mph
Source: National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC)

>>17460605

I'll have you know that sailing the high seas is very serious business laddie. So ye best be passing that test!

>>17460605
>>17460650
>>17460668
Oh I was wrong its 6 points. So I can get caught speeding twice before they revoke

>>17460362
>>17460605
>>17460650
>>17460674
We do have a demerit point system in New Zealand but technically you don't get demerits for a camera fine.
If you were going really fast you will get an angry letter from the po-lice demanding you tell them who was driving so they can punish that person

>thorry ofither, I was at a party and got wasted and my keys were on the table and I think someone borrowed my car but I don't know who. Sos it won't happen again

This is what happens when government and companies simulateounsly fill their ranks with shit heads who lied and bullshited their way through HRs fag ass pointless hiring routine instead of hiring the smart guy who called the HR lady a worthless cunt.

>>17465179
Was that person you anon?

So basically outside of America you can't actually drive a car

thanks for a first time visit on /o/ but this is too much

>>17456837

Do it faget.
The camera's wont see you, and report you to the cops who will be waiting for you at the end. I promise.

>>17456800
>>jet fan system isn't powerful enough to cope with exhaust fumes of max traffic, so traffic into the traffic is regulated by...


Cant they just add more fans?

>>17460044
>>17459424
must be nice being able to import your own r-34 skyline

>>17457255
>Why are we so terrible at roading
You keep hiring chinese companies that use auckland front companies.

>>17462461
If you get a speed camera ticket for more than 45 over you get a summons to court and your license is revoked. Less than that and it's just a fine

>>17465239
Not necessarily. I have relations in an Auckland business that was also trying to win that contract. In the end, it was awarded to a German company who would do it for cheaper. If the ducting and placement of the system isn't up to cleanly flowing more volume, adding more power wont solve the issue.
Its likely that the system they designed would be based on the specifications they (wrongly) calculated. It may be their fault, it may be the customers fault, i wouldn't put it passed some smartarse in the planning department for this project thinking they could save a buck.
I wont be using this tunnel, don't need any more tickets.

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>>17456800
>have to drive this tunnel tomorrow
>it's the worlds longest stretch with average speed enforcement
JUST

in Australia the cops act like you raped a baby if you go 10 km/h over the limit, they're so condescending. Its all revenue raising but its taboo to talk about it.

>>17460667
Incorrect, I know somebody who got one for doing 22 in a 20, but this is turning into a police state city anyway so no surprise.
t. londoner

>>17466002
>22 in a 20

hasn't he got any poles to pull over for no insurance?

>>17465226
Well it's already got skid marks in it so it's worked for someone

>>17465460
I figured it was something like that. One of those "nobody's fault" situations that beurocrats love

>>17466002
In my usa state, none of my school zones have speed cameras unless there is a chronic problem. So, my city only has 2 schools with speed zone cameras. They are set to save video and photo data at 2 MPH over the speed limit. They passed special zoning speed laws to increase the fines way beyond a normal speeding ticket. It is $249 and up, so no one speeds in those camera zones. We have a no cellphone while driving law, so it's humorous when people try to complain in court about the tickets only to have the judge watch the video and look at the photos. He then slaps on the cellphone violation and bam, the ticket is now much higher and it is mandatory to report to the insurance company.

>>17460036
Is that tank hiding behind a bunch of weed?

>>17456800
>This just ads to a list of pathetic fuck ups so far:

You should add these fuckups to the wikipedia article on the tunnel. That article is very bland like it was written from a promotion brochure. All you need for support is to list some newspapers as the bibliographic references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterview_Tunnel

>>17457306
>Media refuse to report on it.
Lots of things are that way in the USA too, but that is due to laws passed after our 9/11. The media is required to not stir up social unrest upon request by homeland security. The judge's court order is almost guaranteed since homeland security has its own "pet judges" they can always count on to issue necessary documentation.

Received my first letter fine today. Got shafted two weeks ago doing 78kph in a 70.
I don't even remember it, was probably passing a truck

>>17467652
this
do it NZanon

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>>17468065

>getting fined for doing 8kmh over the posted limit
>and in a 70 zone

Holy fuck. As a Canadian (Ontario) who will soon see the return of photo radar...I am genuinely worried.

This fucking dogshit is going to become a reality here as well. Can't wait for my first ticket for 1kmh over the limit.

GOTTA STAY SAFE AFTER ALL.

IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SAFETY.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN.

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>>17468344
kek this. Don't forget to stay safe by constantly looking at your dashboard instead of the road.

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>>17468375

I once listened to a pig say that he doesn't reduce/waive tickets because modern cars have cruise control. He said there's literally no reason to speed other than you genuinely want to break the law, and therefore he always writes the full ticket and shows up for court dates when people contest them.

Glad that wasn't the cunt who wrote my last ticket, but he did tell me "I like court, it teaches people a lesson and that they need to listen to police when we tell you not to speed".

The level of flagrant dickwaving in this province is getting out of hand, especially with cops. I used to have immense respect for them...now, not so much. Especially those who do traffic enforcement. Fucking overpaid shills.

>>17467562
What communist state do you live in som

>>17468334
Please do it NZanon. You have access to your local papers, so you are able to even make quotes into the wikipedia article. Just make a new subsection there for Problems and describe it as unforeseen performance engineering problems.

>>17468409
>What communist state do you live in som
It's a capitalist state. So that's why ticket prices are high because profit is good.

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>>17460162
Germany is heaven for speeding, but it's just about the only place in Europe you get off easy. I remember my €30 fine for 17 over, never paid so quickly.

I got caught doing 191 in a 120 in Belgium, judge fined me €1500 and revoked my license for 6 months.

>mfw moved to the US and haven't paid it to this day, 2 years later

fuck the police lads

>>17469552
One day, you go visit europe on vacation or business, and you get detained at the passport entry check. The computer spits out that you have an EU community fine of €1500 plus interest.

>>17468344
>>17468375

It's in France, that was a 45€ fine and 1 point revoked from my licence (we have 12, 6 if you're a beginner, and each point lost comes back after one year). You start getting fined 5km/h above the speed limit to account for measuring issues.
I don't really mind, I'm just angry that I got caught since I know this road but didn't know there was a speed camera there.
The worst thing about them is that there's now almost no cops on the road, so actually dangerous shit like agressive merging, lane splitting, etc, stays unpunished.

>>17467599
Yeah the file name is meant to be "danktank" but I'm a faggot phoneposter

>>17468583
>>17468334
Yeah I'll make a section called "incompetence" and cite /o/ as a source

>>17465946
get a plate flipper and flip the plate before going in and out.

>>17457255
because the ministry of works is dead
all strategic infrastructure is getting privatised and gutted

>>17469552
At least you can go to England once they finish Brexit.

>>17468344
WAIT WHAT
We're getting photo radar? Is it fucking Wynne virtue-signaling again, after denying making the DVP a toll route? Holy shit, how can one government be so inept regarding roads?

>>17469552
>moved to the US

There's nothing here anymore unless you're some sort of engineer or educator with an advanced degree, why?

>>17470647
or just don't speed?

>>17471112
It sucks to be the one picked out of traffic by the camera.

>>17470627
No, you'll be citing your local newspapers and whatever other official sources of news exists in your area. It's not like the rest of the world sees all the same resources you do. So you can really make that part of the Waterview Tunnel wikipedia article more complete. Right now, it looks like any problems were scrubbed. Sometimes, articles can get scrubbed before an election and then after the election is over, the negative data eventually returns (usually but not always e.g. chinese food toxicity).

>>17466002
i fucking hate 20 zones but most people seem to do 25-30 anyway if there isn't much traffic

>>17471112
>just don't speed

Why are you here?

>>17474014
Keeping with flow of traffic was how I got my ticket in the school zone. I bet there were a ton of tickets that day. But then again, that was 2 years ago when the photo radar was put in, so lots of people drove normally. Now, everyone slows down. I suspect getting hit with those big tickets did the trick.

>>17473986
Yeah whatever cunt I don't give enough of a shit

>>17460044
I've only ever seen a speed camera in this one school zone right next to a highway/industrial area

>>17456800
>"no fun allowed at any time ever"
This. our great cuntry is becumming more and more like ausfailia every day.

Seems pretty boring to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poJiiu2itbI&t=0s

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>>17476121
Yeah it would be if you didn't drop a fat skid at one end, go WOT with the windows down, and be bouncing off the top speed limiter all the way through the rest

>>17457306
> Media refuses to report it

Mate, you should look into what the parks department does, thats like South America teir corruption

>>17460129
130km....

fuck me we don't even get that. max is 100 here and they're dropping it to 80 soon. fucking australia...

>>17465981
>FORGETTING TO MENTION HOW A GUY WHO RAPED A CHILD GOT LESS TIME IN JAIL THAN THE GUY WHO DID 3 BURNOUTS

Yes, this happened. Thanks judge wendy wilmoth, of victoria.

>>17465258
>mfw Americans are eventually gonna pay supercar money for a literal meme car

rb26 is shit and I regret 95% of the time I owned it
you are actually better off getting an rb25neo and just pretending

>>17475135
>Yeah whatever cunt I don't give enough of a shit
That's why your tunnel behaves the way it does.

>>17457255
>Gets it constantly wrong (100kmph when there's a traffic jam, 60kmph when traffic is flowing)
That's not wrong.
60 when it's flowing to increase speeding fine revenue.
100 when it's packed to incite people to move. You can't fine traffic jams.

>>17466002
>got one for doing 22 in a 20
Impossible. Most radars have tolerances of 5kph.
That is why the chart the other guy posted starts at 24mph.
If you get fined for 22 in a 20 take it to court, it's illegal. Also they are obligated to tell you what they used for measuring and you can get the user manual for that online, it will tell you exactly the tolerance.

>>17460044

This.

Speed cameras went up in my town and promptly taken down since they violated our rights.

No clue how it does though and tbqh it was great revenue for the city.

>>17476700
I prefer to travel at a speed I feel comfortable at instead of the state mandated one
it just so happens that the state mandated speed matches with my speed most of the time

>>17471051

Why would he go to the middle east?

>>17456837
Your car will break down before you break any speed limits.

>>17476595
But Wikipedia vandalism isn't my job tho

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>>17476935
Quite possible actually

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>>17476312
kek fucking australia. I think NZ is slowly going that way but 'hoons' don't get nearly as media attention here it's just the occasional boy racer story.

Waterview tunnel... no windows... seems legit.

>>17468344
Cops care so little here that I'm not worried in the slightest. We have enough violent low IQ convicts here saying that they'll destroy them if they're put up on social for any government to keep them for long.

>repeatedly pass sitting cops in my mom sedan on the 401 doing 170+ and they do jack shit because they won't be able to pull out in time and also lolnochasepolicy
>tfw forcing MTO vehicles out of the left lane and going WOT by them with nothing waiting for me down the road
>only got pulled over once for 74 in a 50 and got let off because I was nice

Don't believe me if you want but I have no faith in this province getting anything done surrounding this. It's comfy as fuck watching ricers and truckfags sperging out over how cops are the problem when their obnoxious deathtrap gets them tickets that always stick though.

>>17480526
*social media

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>>17478746
fucking beautiful pic you have there mate.

>>17478746
Does that guy have his truck open?

>>17476679
There is both photo and video. The distances of objects are known and the computer tracks the object in the gate. A human verifies all situations before a fine letter is sent out.

Your car is at point A. It is then at point B a certain amount of time later. Since the distance between A and B are known, you are 22 MPH. You are in violation of the speed limit.

>>17476929
>Why would he go to the middle east?
I see what you did there. But realistically, there are tax advantages for creating a mosque. Since they are known to feed people, unlike christian churches, the muslim mosques have a tax advantage in making some of the consumed food tax deductible.

Churches can also transfer money for individuals and defeat the USA tax system somewhat. There is a korean medical student here and I heard him talking to his other korean friend about how he gets money. The parents put in money in the korean side. And he gets it on the USA side from his local korean church. That way, the guy keeps qualifying for needy scholarships even though he has enough support to NOT qualify.

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>>17476929 >>17481003
Forgot the picture someone posted before. Was it you?

>>17468065
My first ticket was for 8KM over during summer time, when i saw the camera i was doing about 145km.

Was pretty pleased when my fine was only $30

>>17476700
>Speed cameras went up in my town and promptly taken down since they violated our rights.
They stay up in my city. It's just that your city government has politicians too scared to risk an election against the activists creating "fake news" about the incumbents. It's a classic activist strategy to create cheaply create headaches for the opposition.

>>17476700
>promptly taken down since they violated our rights.
Is that a state thing? So many USA places have speed cameras for many years that it can't be a constitutional thing. Else the supreme court would have struck down speed cameras by now.

>>17482108
>Is that a state thing?
It is a city choice to not use them. Other nearby cities have speed zone cameras.

>>17476700
>promptly taken down since they violated our rights.
There's way too much kneejerk use of "muh rightz" without understanding the situation. Entitled people always saying "muh rightz" as their answer to every problem in their lives.

If they felt they could justify raping your wife and children, they'd shout out "itz muh right!". They'd do it with now shame because they feel justified.

>>17483193
Raping someone infringes on the rights of the victim though. False analogy.

>>17484090
They are acting out due to racism.

Before you mock "Acting Out", note that it does effectively reduce the sentencing. It's a valid explanation in my area.

>>17484382
In the beginning, they might themselves not believe in it as they grasp for any far-fetched excuse to reduce the sentence. But over time, use of this type of excuse becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that makes their future crimes more severe.

>>17456800
What is it with the stupid shit regarding speed limits over there?
I was in Sydney 10 years ago, and already the guy driving us around had a piece of paper clipped under his speedometer to record his speed continuously. They didn't even have to catch him in the act, it made marks with a pencil, so his employer could review it and bust him afterwards.

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>>17485781
what the fuck

>>17485786
>what the fuck
I think I said, "You've got to be fucking kidding me."

>>17485781
that's uh
that's something, for sure

My dad is a doctor and worked for a while with a practice whose thing was making house calls. He and his driver would go out every day and visit a bunch of people. Iirc the cars in the practice's fleet had a little gps box with a strong magnet stuck to the undercarriage of the car. Hard to get away with speeding with the eye in the sky.

>>17485781
Is Australia even a country?

>>17485781
>a piece of paper clipped under his speedometer to record his speed continuously
like a fucking seismograph? what the hell

>>17486240
>like a fucking seismograph?
Exactly like that. The paper was the same size circle and numbered the same as the speedometer. There would've been no way for him to argue against that.
The craziest thing was that I swore he said his company was mandated to do it, like they got fined by the state or something for non-compliance if they didn't audit him.

>>17486564
I would fuck around and get the vehicle on jackstands and drive it to max speed just because.

sure, they can "prove" the vehicle did that kind of speed, but can they prove I did?

>>17486240
>like a fucking seismograph?
Yes. Even in modern times, some trucks still have those paper disc loggers as usage records. Electronic spoofing is all over the place due to china being a country full of hackers. For example, there's various types of chinese-made software (in english) for computer controlled cash registers. With it loaded, when triggered, it prints the correct looking sales receipt for the customer but puts in a different lower value (or none at all) for the logfile. It is the logfile that accountants and auditors use to determine how much in taxes the business pays.

So it's understandable some people like the feel of paper records generated live as opposed to electronic records generated by a hack program after the firmware was replaced with a new firmware patch.


>>17484090
>Raping someone infringes on the rights of the victim though.
What about the rights of the actual victim - the poor person. Beaten, starved, persecuted. It's no wonder they have problems.

https://www.minds.com/newsfeed/576530797633220608

https://lockerdome.com/joetheplumber/8369093447262996


The only problem now is that as ISIS is losing, the ISIS people are pretending to be refugees and immigrating to places with strong social welfare programs and strong anti-discrimination and religious protection laws such as Europe, USA, and Australia.

https://www.dailystormer.com/uk-white-grandmother-invites-brown-refugee-into-home-becomes-appalled-by-behavior/

>>17486628
>jackstands
That would've been hilarious.
Especially since it was one of those 25 ton buses.

>>17486628
Your antics can be expensive to your career and finances.

If you are fired for cause, your benefits can be terminated and company matching funds can be back-calculated and withdrawn from your 401K. Some states allow removal of employer matching if you are fired for cause. My state also allows unemployment benefits to NOT be provided if you are fired for cause as opposed to being laid off.

>>17485781
>Australia is an Orwellian nightmare

>I can't go more than two days in Arizona without someone racing me

I think the superior desert hell hole is obvious.

>>17486778
>can't go more than two days in Arizona without someone racing me
I envy you that.
There's so much fucking traffic here, racing is very difficult most of the time.

>>17486791
It's honestly fucking great. Most of the city roads in phoenix are straight lines but you can find some twisty places that are remote, or you can hoon on the highway which is always empty at midnight/1am. Honestly not sure how it compares to other places in terms of driving, but I like it. Two dudes in modified cars that I couldn't identify because I'm trash pulled up to a light and hauled ass while I was taking my friend home tonight. Didn't join in because shitty dodge truck.

However, on my sv650 I let my inner hooligan free. I've only had it for about two months but oh my god everyone tries to race because motorcycle. Admittedly I'm a reckless idiot but oh my god it's an incredible feeling. You feel superhuman, like you can fly. And everyone speeds here anyways, if you're not going 55/60 in a 45 people get pissed off. Stay out of Scottsdale though, you'll get dicked by the law. If you're in a fast car or on a bike in AZ at night just pull up next to pretty much anyone and gun it, they'll probably race you

On the downside, it was 108 degrees yesterday and I was excited because that's a lot cooler than it has been lately. It was 118 a week or two ago lmao

>>17456800
I get the other stuff, but how are speed cameras a "pathetic fuck up"?

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>>17486791
>I envy you
But it is amazingly hot in Arizona.

>>17486726
>25 ton buses
>we were going to fire you, but now were just curious how you even got to 210kph in a bus

>>17486856
>huge amount of taxpayer and ratepayer money thrown into a brand new photoradar system to try to tax people who just want to drive fast
>not pathetic

>catches speeders, but none of the actual crimes likely to cause a crash in the tunnel
>not a fuckup

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>>17486870
>>17486870
Does the speedometer on a bus even go to 120mph?

>>17486934
It does what it's supposed to do. Calling it a fuckup just because you don't agree is childish

>>17486936
You floor it so hard it breaks the peg at the end and the traced line goes off the bottom of the paper

>>17486839
The plus out here is the frequency of exotics. It hasn't helped me win any races, but it's fun to see what people are bringing to the game.

>>17486867
Hot as fuck here a lot of the time too (100+, today)

>>17486936
>>17487122
You can use the broken pencil to draw 9,000kph on the disc.

>>17487384
>Hot as fuck here a lot of the time too (100+, today)
Ahhh, that's pretty cool. A month ago and it was 100+ all the time. It takes a lot of water to keep those green lawn cemeteries green. I wonder what their water bills are like?

What gets me is how many places in Phoenix have fountains running. It's a way of showing off. There's also a city named Fountain Hills that has a giant fountain and "mutant" ducks swimming in the water there. I saw the fountain from the windows of the airplane through holes in the cloud cover. Yes, the fountain is big enough to be seen when you are flying above the clouds.

>>17487694
>"mutant" ducks
wat

>>17487694
AZ is weird dude. I want to go check out that monkey farm place it's right near where I live. I took my motorcycle up until the point wh re it says no trespassing then I pussied out because there were people

>>17460158
THIS. I paid $200 for a speed camera ticket in D.C. two months ago.

>>17456800
>now that "no fun allowed at any time ever" has been implemented I'll be avoiding this pile of shit at all times.
That's the idea. They want it just to be used by people who actually need to, not some joyriding child with a shitbox and a glasspack.

>>17488656
My tax dollars paid for it. And what's a glass pack?

>>17488177
They have large bills with colored growths on or next to them. I hesitate to say they are cancerous, but it would be believable to say that. Maybe the reclaimed water had It's been years since I was there, so the ducks may be different now. When I asked around, that place has one of the world's tallest fountains. It's so tall that a 100 million gallon pond (aka lake) was built around the fountain to catch the drifting water spray that results from even the slightest wind.

http://www.fh.az.gov/Facilities/Facility/Details/Fountain-Park-2

http://www.fh.az.gov/258/Fountain-Park-Webcam

The ducks were so tame they were like "muggers" in that they come right up to you and get in your face if they see you eating something. I had bought some teriyaki to go so that I could drive over to that park and eat while wating for the fountain to turn on at the beginning of the hour. It really is pretty tall.

https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g31227-d264888-i93138118-The_Fountain-Fountain_Hills_Arizona.html

https://www.tripadvisor.com/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g31227-d264888-i168272059-The_Fountain-Fountain_Hills_Arizona.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_Hills,_Arizona

When I went, the fountain was advertised as being 480 feet tall. The current height of the fountain is now 560 feet tall so they seem to have added to it.

>>17489209
Wait, there's a fountain?

>>17476121
>highway
>everybody is braking

kek

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>>17456800
Here's a whack and wild idea: Don't speed!

>>17490553
>Don't speed!
Nah, we're not going to be doing that.

>>17490553
This

>>17489080
This thingy that makes your exhaust louder

>>17487384
>frequency of exotics.
Not much of anything too cool where I live. Usually some nicer cars in scottsdale though. They wont race however, because scottsdale.

I saw an aventador in the parking lot a of a panera once though

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>>17490475
Yea boi it's huge as fuck

>>17490553
Im gonna cuck you and steal your boyfriend ;^)

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>>17490742
I actually prefer a quiter exhaust. Just loud enough so that you can hear the downshifts and it screams at redline, but not so loud that it wakes up the neighbors and makes them want to put expanding foam in your flat mates exhaust pipe (true story)

>>17490776
The water looks wispy, but if you were up close to it, the water coming down has a lot of weight and actually hits the surface of the lake pretty hard. It might even be painful due to the large volume landing at the same time. Instead of a splashing sound, it is more like a bunch of overlapping thumping sounds because each of the many clumps of water land with a thump.

>>17490797
I've always just used potatoes spray painted black.

>>17490771
>because scottsdale
Isn't that the LA of Arizona?
That's what I've heard.

>>17456800
>The new waterview tunnel that links the western and south western motorways will have 18 speed cameras to enforce a max speed of 80 at all times.
You should update the wikipedia article.

>>17492408
>Isn't that the LA of Arizona?
No, scottsdale is the nicer place in the phoenix metro area just as los angeles has nicer places like beverly hills in its metro area.

>>17490797
Are you me? That's exactly what I strive for in an exhaust system

>>17480808
nah, its the top of a car behind it.

>>17498526
Mine is a full 3" with no cats, one muffler and one resonator per pipe. The turbos keep it at a pretty perfect volume

>>17460362
>implying you need driving license to drive

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U mad dumb cagers?

>>17476929
Because it's a step up from Africa.

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>>17486240
>>17485781
>>17485786
>>17486071

These are used in trucks to record the driving time, speed etc. for the employer to keep track of driver behaviour. When I did my C license we used those (Finland).

All digital nowadays, the truck I drove was from the 80s.

>>17456800
Wouldn't driving faster through the tunnel help with the air flow?
More cars pushing air through the tunnel
Less time in the tunnel
Win win

OP here. Finally drove through it last night in my flat mates r33. 80km/h is incredibly boring can confirm. We did a few 2nd gear pulls and one cheeky burnout and it sounds pretty amazing

>>17456800
>jet fan system isn't powerful enough to cope with exhaust fumes of max traffic, so traffic into the traffic is regulated by...
>>Fucking ramp signals! Yes the brand new section of tunnel has ramp signals at either end
>if a traffic jam forms in the tunnel, it will need to be evacuated. ie everyone turns off their cars and walks out

Sounds unbelievable. Citation needed.

>>17501783
Yeah it's probably not that bad. There is a lot of equipment to prevent any kind of traffic jam happening at all though.
No lane changing is allowed anywhere in the tunnel, I would assume as lane changing is the biggest cause of brake conga lines

>>17502786
Lane changing is what causes accidents. It's pretty standard in my area to have solid painted lines outside and inside the tunnels to prohibit lane changing.


>>17502786
>I would assume as lane changing is the biggest cause of brake conga lines
It may be as you say. Even outdoors on two different freeways in my area, there are lanes marked with solid lines in certain areas. The signs say that no lane changing permitted for those lanes where the lines are solid.

We have the same shit in Paris. Duplex A86. It's a 10km long highway tunnel low enough so that trucks are not allowed in it. The tunnel is a tube with both direction on top of each others so no risk of collision. However the speed is limited to fucking 70 and there's an automatic radar ever km.

>>17503106
I wish my area had roads these as to further trigger left lane Nazis but no lane markings are actually legally binding here (It's perfectly legal to cross double yellows and solid white lines). I'm just praying the day will come when it's finally illegal so they'll at long last shut the fuck up and stop bullying people out of the left lane as to miss their exit

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>>17456800
>jet fan system isn't powerful enough to cope with exhaust fumes of max traffic

>>17504066
>irl Australian shitposting

>>17504066
It's not that the jet fans INTRINSICALLY don't have enough volume or pressure. It's that the back pressure of the air in the tunnel resists being moved since it has inertia AND hysteresis. That means the jet fans can blow air into the tunnel and it simply comes right back out the same entrance the fans tried to blow into. The same with the other end where the fans suck air out. But instead of sucking out of the tunnel, the air simply enters the tunnel and goes right into the intake of that fan.

All that is because the tunnel opening is there. My corporate employer has a long underground tunnel almost a city block long under part of one section of the factory. To get air, there is a suction fan at one end. The fan sucks air, but it does so through a long ventilation duct whose opening is about 100 feet inwards from the doorway. If not for that, the air would simply try to circulate in a tight short loop centered around that doorway (and also make the door hard to pull open).

It looks like the engineering company forgot about the sheer scale of the back pressure, so their jet fans have an air circulation short circuit. They can improve the back pressure situation by installing multiple vertical baffles on the ceiiling between the fan outlet in the tunnel and the tunnel opening. That means lowering the allowable height of the tunnel though.

>>17502786
>No lane changing is allowed anywhere in the tunnel,
They have cameras to scan for that?

>>17468583
>Please do it NZanon. You have access to your local papers
If you won't do it, then at least provide some links to what you consider the best local news articles on them. Then other people will update the wikipedia article.

>>17467666
What?

>>17509074
What is your specific problem?

>>17503651
>It's perfectly legal to cross double yellows and solid white lines
That's what people say here too, as they drive off after robbing a bank.

>>17510893
It actually is legal in Ontario though. Good thing crossing solid whites is legal here too otherwise 90% of normal roads maneuvers on city streets would be illegal because of our atrocious urban planning.

>>17503651
>perfectly legal to cross double yellows and solid white lines
So double yellow lines are only "advisory" in your area. Over here, we are not to make left turns across them. Sometimes, there is a popular business and people will make left turns across the double yellow. If the city notices that, they might put up those flexible vertical flag things.

>>17512768
We often have double yellows in what are basically residential areas. No one would get anywhere if you weren't allowed to cross them

>>17456800
>Tfw your state ruled speed cameras aren't legally enforceable and do not have to be paid/cannot affect your license, insurance, or driving record.
>Tfw your state legislator released a video showing the best way to handle traffic cam tickets
>Tfw he burned the ticket

>>17514552
>have literal video/photo evidence of a person breaking the law
>not admissible in court

American's, everyone

>>17514660
>Constitution gives you the right to face your accuser
>Cameras alone cannot submit an accusation

>>17514693
>police or another civil servant or really any Joe Schmo who observes a crime being committed for that matter is not an "accuser" because they didn't witness the actual crime happening first person despite irrefutable evidence of the crime taking place with which they use to accuse someone

?

>>17514730
>Cameras are just as capable as filing a police report/formal accusation of the occurrence of a crime as human beings.

?

>>17514738
I think what he is saying is why can't the policeman who sees the photograph along with radar info of you speeding be your accuser based off of that evidence?

>>17460162
>be in nz
>go 40kmh over speed limit
>instant loss of license and car impounded


Land of the free

>>17514660
>evidence of a crime is obtained illegally
>he wants it to be admissible
>he wants to encourage people including the police to break the law

>>17515425
>evidence of a crime is obtained illegally
Some states have voluntarily limited themselves against photo ID type evidence while other states have not. Thus, in those states that passed laws due to activists protecting criminals, it's not legal to use computer robot camera evidence.

My state allows computer robots to gather road data and continues to prosecute people who run red lights, run certain stop signs, speed through school zones, speed through problem areas, or do hit and runs. Robot cameras continue to catch those people since the software is smart and uses the multiple cameras efficiently.

One cam has a telescope like lens and can really zoom into the car to show the driver's face clearly and can even follow the car somewhat as it moves. I can see why criminal defense activists keep trying to outlaw computerized data collection of law breakers. Some activists go overboard like racial activists who see all forms of law enforcement as racist. It's no wonder they hate law enforcement since most of the violent crimes in my city are done by just two races.

The other indirect advantage of robots collecting speeding and red light data is it frees up police officers. Those officers can now handle customer service complaints and reduce the horrible wait times where a crime is called in, but they have to wait four hours or the next day before an officer shows up to take statements.

>>17460162
>drive in Russia
>go 79 in a 60 zone
>get no fines because they start at 20km/h over the limit
>spend $2k on suspension repair instead

>>17515874
If you don't see the problem with massive surveillance, you're a fucking retard.

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>>17515874
This is not a good thing. First of all I fundamentally disagree with most speed limits and any law I consider to be unjust I will break. Therefore in my own self interest I will fight against any forms of speed prevention, automatic or otherwise.

Furthermore, this is the exact kind of brave new world technology that in the future could be used to enforce illegal laws like curfews, or stupid shit like private enterprise parking tickets.

And finally
>frees up police officers
I could have sworn the only reason they camp on the side of a passing lane giving out tickets for 5 over was because they had nothing fucking better to do

>>17516704
>If you don't see the problem with massive surveillance
The great majority of people don't know why they should fear massive surveillance. They carry smartphones that record wherever they go and for how long. They use cards for their puchases and that locks the UPC codes to their identity, date, and time. They drive in cars that phone home their driving data, locations, and where they visit. The gov't has dna, fingerprint, palm print, and photo databanks of all citizens it can get pictures of and updates the collection. Your utility usage shows how many people are living in your household and their movements at various times of data. In fact, there is a company out there that sells software to datamine the way your utilities are used. For example, the same quantity of water is used, but the way the water pulses shows if it was a toilet flush or use of the kitchen sink in food preparation versus how many times the washing machine was run. Vizio (a chinese company) got in trouble when their larger TV phoned home data so they modified their user agreement to be legal. Their built-in camera can detect how many people are watching. So if you plug in your hdmi to your laptop to play back the video whose metadata is titled "How to Be A Homosexual in 30 Days" at midnite, it will have your usage record. All legal.

Facebook? You already know that's legal. Paypal usage? Online purchase records? Your ex-wife's divorce lawyer digs out records you bought one gross (144) of Midnite Rose condoms just 10 days after marriage, but she says you never used any of them with her. The court settlement is increased in her favor....

We're losing net neutrality too. Since the common masses of people don't know about the issues or don't know why they should care. When the politicians see the people not care, then they will accept the bribes from lobbyists and vote the way the bribers, riaa, mpaa want for non-net neutrality.

>>17456800
>The new waterview tunnel that links the western and south western motorways
Who's paying for fixing the engineering mistake? Is the company going to pay for some of the needed fixes?

>>17518966
They don't see it as a mistake. It's the same as when they first built the south-western and it merged onto the southern. 3 lanes merged with 3 lanes, all reduced down to 2 lanes within 400m.
How did they fix it? Ramp signals of course. Its made the traffic a bit better, but the end of the south-western is still the worst "on ramp" in the Southern Hemisphere.

>>17519153
I see, it is the usual politician game of admit no mistake and therefore there is no mistake. That's especially important if the company paid bribes under the table to "win" the project contract in the first place.

>>17520257
>it's not a fault, it's a feature!