Name a more bad-ass, reliable and revolutionary engine

>>17449311
You've got there OP

BMW M50

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>>17449311
/thread

Any 4g63t

>>17449311
LS1

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>>17449311

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DumsHE-cZxw

VW 1.9 TDI. Can take a massive boost and is bulletproof. They don't make engines like these anymore.

>>17449356
Same goes for the 1.8T, also VW.

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>>17449340

>>17449311
let's be honest, you can't name a single revolutionary engine. altho we can't get past the fact that DOHC engines are in the "revolutionary" league

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>>17449311
>Still can't pass smog.

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>no other engine will power half of the vehicles on the planet

4BT

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>>17449358
You are like a little baby.

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>>17449311

I was gonna be butt hurt and then I looked closer. I'm okay with this

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>>17449311
What's so bad ass and revolutionary about it?

>not the first twin cam engine
>not the first EFI engine
>not the first anything

It's literally a nothingburger

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>>17450387
>Rover V8

a cute

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>badass
makes 400hp standing still, will make 600 with mods, up to +1,000 with rebuilt internals and Forced Induction.
>reliable
literally a truck engine, used in millions of factory cars, thousands of aftermarket swaps. Even boats.
>revolutionary
see above. If the AK47 is the people's gun, the LS series of engines are the peoples engine.

>>17450547
cue that newtrip having a meltdown over the Actual Greatest Engine Ever Made™

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>>17449311
try not to be too mad
>pic related

>>17449311
the rotary engine

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>>17450634
>Subaru

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>>17449311
this and Multiair

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>introduced power to the masses
>cheap
>first monobloc v8
>six cylinder fags BTFO
>Chevy BTFO
>spawned hot rodding
>badass in that Bonnie and Clyde and all their ilk used them
>still one of the best sounding V8s
>very reliable after a few years of growing pains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnTC-hW8g6g

>>17450634
lycoming's engines are better
>inb4 the b-but its not an aircraft engine
your arguments are invalid

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Aren't all engines revolutionary because the crank revolves?

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>>17451509

>>17450224
Old engines were simple but not reliable. You always had to be fiddling with them. That's why Baker and others made electric cars for women so they wouldn't have to deal with these things.

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>>17449311
>Badass
It's a Toyota engine. Legal definition says you can't call a Toyota badass unless it's well north of 1000hp.
>Reliable
Granted, but hey, Toyota.
>Revolutionary
Ummmmmm no sweety. The Mercedes 2.3 16v was a far more revolutionary engine: first production I4 to feature 16 valves per cylinder, far more hp/L (despite being an earlier design based on an older block), and with more total output as well. You could argue that it was just as reliable with decent maintenance (you try breaking a W201, good luck), and it certainly was more badass with it's hairy chested DTM legacy.

>>17449356
Didn't those have a nasty habit of cracking the heads?

>>17450547
I'll give you your first two points. However, it's certainly not revolutionary. It's a pushrod aluminium EFI small block, in a time where aluminium is the industry standard (seriously Dodge, what are you doing), and nobody even bothers without multipoint EFI anymore.

It's not revolutionary. Not a bad engine either, but not revolutionary.

>>17449353

>$100,000 engine work
>175 hp

Notchtop SR20, DUH!

>>17451577
>16 valves per cylinder

>>17451509
Getout.jpeg

>>17449334
To be fair it's an evolution of the Veyron engine which was also badass

>>17449334
>dump a fuckton of money into research and development
>set out to build THE GREATEST ENGINE EVER MADE
>SIXTEEN CYLINDERS
>FOUR TURBOS
>but less displacement than a Viper
>less power than a boosted LS
>and orders of magnitude more expensive than both
I don't know how VW manages to be THIS fucking shit.

>>17449311
What's the propeller for

>>17451725
its reliable and not some hackjob

real engineering takes talent time and money

>>17451735
>VAG
>reliable
Have you seen the fucking service intervals and associated costs for a Veyron?

>>17449311
>revolutionary
flaming dorito

>>17451740
services and cost doesnt make it unreliable

>>17451725
show me a boosted LS that can make as much power as the chiron on pump gas and meet european and american emissions

>>17451752
>emissions
cuck

>>17451759
well if the LS can't do it then it is objectively worse than the chiron engine

>>17451766
No it fucking isn't you commie cuck. We have the freedom to drive 2500hp cars on the streets here. "Production" is irrelevant here. Power is power.

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>>17449311
1.5 million pounds of thrust.

>>17451766
>objectively
>emissions standards (numbers picked arbitrarily by bureaucracy to make people feel good).

Bloody hell.

>>17451793
kek

unreliable shitboxes dont mean anything tho

>>17451793
>>17451812
pushcucks btfo

>>17451817
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P1jjN7JRY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0r6_N5WpZA&t=17s

>>17451845
so one example with no backstory

and its an arab who are infamous for not taking care of their cars

there are shit tons of LS engines having catastrophic failure

>>17451830
Rodless fag.

>ctrl-f Detroit Diesel 50 series
>no results

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>>17449311
Suzuki G engine

>>17451901
>ctrl-f your post
>no intelligence found

>>17451538
Knowing when to change the apex seals can be incredibly convenient, as it's the same interval as the oil change!

>>17451577
Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the 271 and newer 274 Mercedes i4 engines.

>>17451734
ITS FOR GOING FAST

>>17451793
>muh modified cars
Irrelevant. Gm can barely make a 650hp engine that will run hard for more than 3 minutes, they have zero chance of making a streetable, reliable and emissions compliant 1000hp+ engine

So go ahead and post some drag week cars that just cruise along the highway being followed by a trailer of spare parts and a crew of mechanics.. it's really proof that Americans can build good engines
Lmao Fucking idiot

>>17451793
>"Production" is irrelevant here. Power is power.
No it's not.
BTW, Boosted Lambos, GT-Rs and R8s dominate the non-prep drag races and the street.
So displacement doesn't even beat boosted exotics and jap-crap.
Yet still, all these people try to beat a stock Bugatti.

>>17451802
underrated

>>17452066
Is there any logical reason why you would fucking say that post is underrated? Has anybody expressed any kind of dissatisfaction or criticism at all against it? Are you delusional? Are you reading replies that are nonexistant? Maybe you come from communities with voting systems, but there is literally no way that you could know what other people think of that post you just replied to here. Maybe it's psychological. Maybe it's your own post you're replying to, like a 12 year old fucktard liking his own facebook posts thinking his swelling autism is going unnoticed. Maybe your self esteem depends on you tricking yourself into thinking someone out there thinks your post is worth something. Or maybe you are just a retard, the worst kind of retard, the one who thinks he's smart, the one who thinks he's the only one to have gotten the joke, to have understood the post. Well, guess what, faggot, that post is by no definition underrated so why don't you do the world a favour and go check out what the bottom of your toilet smells like?

>>17452142
>Is there any logical reason why you would fucking say that post is underrated?
Not him, but when a post is good but gets no attention, it's normal to claim it as an underrated post and thus, letting the poster know he posted something good even though it got no repplies.

>>17452142
here's your (((you)))
calm down.
stop being a faggot.
nice attempt at a pasta.

fuck. I hate summer so much.

>>17452142
I posted the rocket engine. I knew it was a good post. That's why I posted it. I was going to post an LS1 but I noticed it had already been mentioned. So I went with the next best thing. I guess that's what NASA had to do since the ls1 doesn't work in a vacuum.

>>17452298
>crank collar, oil drain issues, oiling issues
>needs tons of extra maintenance because solid lifters, 25 and 20 are a more reliable choice. 25 needs all the oil fixes, crank collar and headgasket, 20 can do well with just oil drain from the head fixed, pistons and headgasket. crank collar if you wanna rev the piss out of it. ca18s need a rebuild and headgasket and they're pretty damn monstrous for $300 with a bigger turbo, you can rev the piss out of them with the stock valvetrain even

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Most of you people here wouldn't have electricity or internet to shitpost with if it weren't for GM powered work vans and trucks.

>>17452345
yeah brah, especially me here in europe where GM DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST, faggot.

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>>17452327
My RB20 is unkillable. 300whp, constant 8000+rpm hooning, and it refuses to die. Drove it 80km once with a coolant leak, arrived home nearly dry with the temp gauge at max and it didn't even care.

The RB20 is the greatest engine of all time. ALL TIME.

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>>17449311

>>17452354
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Europe

>>17452507
>Defunct 2010

>>17451600
>NA 4age
>175 hp
more like 160

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>>17452507
see
>>17452515

ABSOLUTELY B T F Od MY DUDE

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>>17452471

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6bt a best

>>17449363
No one gets this

>>17451752
1.Tune it to read clean.
2. Run which ever fuel you like, E85, 110
3.???
4. Trigger every euro cuck

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>>17449311

>>17451079
>six cylinder fags BTFO
>chevy BTFO
>implying
nigger the Stovebolt is more reliable, can make more power and makes more power stock
I can't deny it sounds fucking amazing but it's easily one of the weakest engines of it's time.
Too tiny.
>>17449356
if you consider shitting turbos every other oil change and injectors snapping in half/exploding reliable I guess

SR20 and RB26.

>>17452515
It existed, his argument is invalid.

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>>17452551
Sorry, you lose.

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>put into large commercial vehicles
>america loses faith and ends production 1996
>most reliable petrol engine in US
>ford down under eventually develops god of down under Barra 4.0

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>>17449311
>Can push a corrugated titanium block to mach 3.2
>Insane operating ceiling
>Durable as fuck

>>17452749
59ab and 8ba blocks are the most sought after and the most reliable, the record power for on is 600hp and it did 300mph at bonneville, which is damn good for a side valve (a Cadillac flatty made over 700, but it had better breathing, intake and exhaust flow the opposite on them)
After they fixed the casting and water pump issues after the first few years (rushed by Henry) it was as nearly as reliable as the stovebolt was in the thirties. The legendary reliability of the stovebolt from from a near redesign in the fifties when the flatty was on the way out and Ford was bringing in its legendary six.
Flatties were marketed better and killed off the model B/C four banger in two years. And saw a great deal of industrial use and still does in old equipment.
Modern tech can solve the problems of a bad block too, magnaflux and sand clearing.

Some old hot rodders have hundreds of thousands of miles on theirs.
Usually made 5-10 hp more than the Chevy six and has that cooler cache. I'll admit, on paper and stock, there isn't much difference. But what would you prefer to have if they made identical power and equally reliable?

>>17452986
>300mph at bonneville
Don't take Bonneville speeds too seriously, people pull every single trick out of the book to get engines running at those speeds, most are literally undriveable on the street.

>>17452995
I'm aware, still impressive for a sidevalve and that it can make multiple passes without blowing the heads off.

>>17451725
Theres also boat engines with a lot more power, but with the size of a small building.
Power output is not the only point of a good engine, you will realise that when you get to 12yo.

>>17453012
>that it can make multiple passes without blowing the heads off.
The heads aren't the problem in flathead engines, the lack of main bearings is and i agree, despite the staggering weaknesses of the main rotating assembly they take it all without a hiccup.

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So British it turns coolent into tea

>>17452986
I didnt say the Flathead is a bad engine by any means, mind you, just that the Stovebolt and all it's variants are usually better and introduced the phat L6s like the US made them till the '90s/2000s.
L6s werent talked as much about in the late '50s cause finding a wrecked olds rocket 88 was a more viable option for rodding, but they're still insanely strong and they shit out power all day with a good setup.
I'd still get the Stovebolt, probably a 270 from a GMC because muh wartime workhorse and I fell in love with these engines far down the rabbit hole since I was a kid.
>>17453037
not only is the chiron/veryon's engines not all that powerful but way too expensive and way too fragile for what they are.
an LS1 with stock internals can reach 1500hp and still run fine.

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>>17453061
>an LS1 with stock internals can reach 1500hp and still run fine.
"lol"

>>17453061
>an LS1 with stock internals can reach 1500hp and still run fine.

lol a stock LS is pushing it at half that

>>17451577
>It's a Toyota engine.

About as much as a SHO 3.0L V6 is a Ford engine.

Both the Vulcan V6 and 4AGE were sent off to Yamaha to be made into performance engines.

>>17453090
>>17453075
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/

>>17453124
not an LS
not 1500 hp
its just on an engine dyno

>>17453124
3rd paragraph in and it's already not stock.

>>17453061
It just doesnt, the LS engine isnt a reliable engine at all, its just cheaper to fix than a better designed engine that outputs the same power figures. because its just a overhauled truck engine, its overhauled but it still has the wrong design for a sports engine.
The pushrods are a bottleneck in many levels, but since Americans are dumb and only care about the output number in the sheet, thats the cheapest way GM can ger power and people will still buy it.

>>17451748
>production roadcar needs a million dollar rebuild every 3 hours
>not reliable

>>17453131
>4.8 LS V8
>not an LS
I dont know if you're baiting or retarded but I'll just assume the latter.
>>17453136
gee whodathunk a LS isnt turbo from stock?
>the LS engine isnt a reliable engine at all
>hence why it's used in the vast majority of V8 powered GM vehicles
>hence why it's one of the most popular engines to gain power for cheap
also
>GM uses 6.0 pushrod V8 to get HP
>actually does it way cheaper than insanely high tech cars that cost three times as much
>p-pushrods
that's dumb thinking, nigga
LS' give good power, are reliable, have torks out the ass and are easily tunable, it's a very good platform for modding or sports/racecar use

>>17449363
Kek

>>17453191
Its not an ls1, it's an iron block vortec. Aluminium ls engines cannot do that. End of story.
Its not making 1500hp
Its had upgraded internals so it doesn't explode at 500hp
It won't last a month of actual driving at 1000hp

Fuck off

>>17453124
Wow thats one hell of a reliable engine
>60 dyno runs most above 1k hp
So about half an hour running with no load? Reliable? would even say thats ready for 24h le mans

>>17453224
>Its had upgraded internals so it doesn't explode at 500hp
>stock crank, rods, pistons, bearings, rings
>upgraded

oh you mean someone taking a file and making the gap a tiny amount bigger on a stock ring then reinstalling that stock ring is an upgrade?

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>>17453233
>dyno
>no load

>>17453236
Intake valves, Springs, arp studs, head gaskets, hydraulic lifters, cam

Yeah totally stock

the 4age is not reliable tho, you see plenty of them gutting themselves at any racing events, and they only have like 170rwhp at max
its not a bad engine for what it is, but its not good either.

>>17452884
Looks like fucking WALL-E

>>17453268
None of those items are bottom end though.

>>17453224
>Aluminium ls engines cannot do that.
Citation fucking needed on how block material can be a weak point in engine construction.Fyi, the aluminium LS block are actually stronger than the iron Vortec blocks because they're cast a lot thicker.

>>17454212
Are you really asking that question?

>>17454234
Yes, because it makes no sense that the stronger aluminium block can't make 1200+ hp.

>>17451943
>Rotary is unreliable

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>>17449311
EZ
>weeb memes

>>17453105
The 16 valve 4A-GE head was a complete Toyota design inspired by the Cosworth BDA 1.6. Specifications such as valve angle, lift, and valve diameter are extremely similar.

The 20V heads were designed by Yamaha, and make significantly more power stock, but that's most down to the fact that they included factory ITBs and had higher compression ratios. The 16 (specifically, first generation bigport) head flows better at power levels of 200hp+ where the engine will be at above 7000 RPM for a large majority of the time. Hence why they were used in Formula Atlantic racing and N2 AE86s.

>>17451725
your amerifag shitbox can't even try to go to 287 mph without explode cause of them iron aerodynamism.

>>17454630
>open turbo BEHIND the rear wheels
how long did it last?

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>>17450634
>up to 480 mL of oil loss every 1,000 km is acceptable
Fuck no, there's nothing special about the FA/FB engines aside from being a flat-4.

>>17452189
>>17452259
>>17452287
>Replying to pasta

>>17454640
The 16v also can achieve significantly more valve lift than the 20v head, so their maximum airflow isn't all that different with the right cam.

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>>17454758
http://www.canamcarsltd.com/car/1974-Eagle-Indy-Car
http://www.canamcarsltd.com/car/1974-Eagle-Indy-Car-Chassis-74-06
https://revsinstitute.org/the-collection/1974-jorgensen-eagle/

appreantly its not a problem
boost restricions and the intoduction of the cosworth DFX finaly killed it off

cummins 4bt

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>>17454742
That's a boosted truck engine making more power than your precious yuroshit """"hypercar"""" and achieving a higher speed in a standing mile than your precious yuroshit """"hypercar"""" can achieve at all.

>>17455038
the fact that you have to modify a supercar that can only go straight to beat a stock VW is pretty sad

>>17451725
it can make more power
but then it gets hot and catches fire to everything around it
not sure how they managed this

>>17451906
>those tiny exhaust-intake runners
Cute!
That coolant reservoir looks like out of a vag engine bay, tho.

>>17455663
Spheres are good shapes for holding pressure, probably just convergent engineering.

>>17452529
what are you talking about
jdm 4ages make 160 from the factory if its silver, blacktop
let alone the sc14 supercharged ones

>>17452853

>has to be started with four Buick 455 big-block V8s

holy fucking shit

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Goat