Germany build the real musclecars

>The plastic interior shitboxes with suspensions from the stoneage from America
Basically the definition of a muscle car. Cheap, powerful, silly looking, every other aspect complete garbage.

>>17424916
c63 is stone island wearing, drug abusing chav gopnik car.
real merc muscle car is cl. current s coupe

>>17424916
>Audi RS5
>Mercedes C63 AMG
>BMW M6

At least compare cars in the same class.

>RS6
>E63
>M5

or

>RS4
>C63
>M3

>>17424916
If you live in europe, no-one cares about ""german muscle""
They all look so much the same, and are driven by brown people or criminals

>>17424916
>Germany builds the last real cars that deserve to be called a musclecar.
Sure, Camaro and stang turns better than all of those anyway so it wouldn't be fair to call them "muscle cars". Challenger/charger is an exception though, they'l run down some super cars.

A v6 Camero can smoke them all lmao

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>>17424971
>posted 3 completely different looking cars
>German cars looking the same

>>17424916
The new RS5 in your pic has a V6
Real muscle cars use only V8's

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>>17424994
>this is what Americans really believe
The earth is also flat and America is the center of the earth I guess? :^)

>>17424995
b-but they all have 4 wheels and 2 headlights!!

>>17424993
The only way Americans make their cars fast is by adding more horsepower
It takes 650-700hp for an American car to compete with 500hp German cars
Literal meme engineering

>>17424995
They have no design flare. They are all generic looking.

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>>17425015
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? pic taken from motortrend and were done on the same day btw

>>17424916
A key part of the muscle car equation is being cheap speed. The working man's toy. German cars are not cheap.

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>>17425015
The ratio is even worse, the simple 991 Carrera S with 400hp is faster on the track then nearly every fucking 500+ hp musclecar

>>17424916
>Everyone agrees that America had a good time in the 60s and 70s building godlike musclecars

>godlike

muscle cars were complete shit

>>17425041
How if a Carrera S is slower than an M4 GTS which is matched by the SS 1LE>>17425034
?

>>17425052
oops my mistake its slightly faster than the M4 GTS. although if you are comparing sports cars to sport sedan chassis its probably worth noting that a stingray would also easily outperform the cars in OP with less power.

>>17425050
This
Eurofags are deluded
They only have boners for slow shit land barges because their streets are full of 1.4 liter hatchbacks
American cars are finally becoming decent only as from 2016+

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>>17425041
i'm going to file this under
>lies yuropoors tell themselves so they can sleep at night

>>17425075
That is a 650hp muscle car
The other anon said 500hp, in which case his statement is still true.

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>>17425110
explain this pls

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>>17424916

Hello?

>>17425113
>rear engined muscle cars
Lol?

>>17425112
Post the real times from the Nürburgring you lieing shitposter. He even cut the actual tracktimes out and posted the prefacelift time with the 380hp n/a engine

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>>17425060
>decent only as from 2016+
So the C6 ZR1, Ford GT, CTS V gen II Z28 Camaro Gen V, 2011 mustang GT and Shelby GT500 despite these cars being highly rated and even some winning foreign driver's car of the year awards they were less than decent?

F-Type R is the best muscle car

>>17425040
Absolutely this.

Rest in peace Pontiac and Oldsmobile.

>>17425060
yeah I dont get it when during the same time you could get great European sports cars

I mean damn a 180hp 911 was about on par with a "300+hp" (we all know their ratings were bs) in a straight line and would outperform it everywhere else by leaps and bounds

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>>17425112
Nürburgring
Porsche Carrera GTS 430hp
>7:23 min
Camaro ZL1 580hp
>7:29 min

I rest my case.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife

the new caddys are really nice. honestly i'm sick of seeing japanese garbage everywhere.

The fuck are you even on about, muscle cars a cheap lower middle class go fast boxes. German cars are luxury trash.

>>17425194
its not hard to understand if you arent retarded


american muscle is cheap garbage for the lowest common denominator

German muscle is premium power for those who want an actually good car

>normies post lap times by professionals as equivalent to cars worth/performance

>>17425015

>spend millions in R&D to build an 800k HyperCard that destroys all competition
>A couple months later, Cletus bolts some new aero to his V10 truck motor powered go kart and rapes all your efforts

>>17425112
Holy shit Porsche is slow maybe if they add a bigger wing it will go faster

>>17425194
American cars is what you buy if you want to be ALMOST as fast as a rich guy in his luxury German car.

>>17425243
V6 vs v8

: Thinking :

>>17425264
and by "almost" its a 10th of a second.

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>>17425268
whole 4 seconds actually

>>17425032
Completely meaningless and arbitrary statement

>>17425279
Not a muscle car or luxury car.

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>>17425284
>911
>not a luxury car
10 times more luxurious than any American made car, even in its second most sportiest form

>>17425279
Yes, when people mention 10ths of a second they mean lap times.
Absolutely.
[spoiler]He meant quarter mile times you retard.[/spoiler]

>>17425293
>this non-luxury car thing is more luxurious than this other non-luxury car thing
Cool, luxury cars don't have rollcages though which that Porsche does. also i guess OP was wrong about the muscle car statement as no one wants to post an actual sedan chassis.

>>17425279
wow that sure is impressive.

Really dislike what the new Audi's have come to be

Hmm
I wonder if nazi car fans are the worst

You can bully weebs pretty easily, and amerifats cry if you mention turns
But the german fetishists are more persistent

Maybe they're mad their cars are only bought by dark skinned people?

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>itt: Americans in full damage control mode.

>>17425000
>he doesn't know about the 1LE

>>17425338
why?

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>>17425338
I agree here, I love Audi but the new S and RS beside the RS3 are soulless, downsized and overstyled. I can't stand the fact that the S5 is now 3l Turbo and the RS5 a 2.9l biturbo. I know that Audi has a long tradition in biturbo and small engine but I really liked the old 4.2l V8 and the V10. I have the B7 S4 with the 344hp V8 and I would never trade for the the 3l V6

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>>17425040
>fast
>cheap

W204 c63 hnnnnnnnng

>>17424916
>doesnt think the 1le or gt350r count as legit muscle cars
what the fuck are you smoking and can i have some

>>17424916
man audis used to look so nice now they look just like hyundai. ruined

>>17424916
Just imagine if Hitler won. You'd have amazing cars. Hitler was an avid collector and took great personal joy in overseeing the manufacturing of cars. Mexicans really are the reason cars are such garbage today. Cheap parts and labor basically fucked up everything.

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>>17425124
959 is the definition of muscle

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>>17426048
This car was a fucking masterpiece. I will never forget how I was totaly in to the 959 and my best friend a fanboy of the F40 when we were young. IF I COULD TURN BACK TIME

>anything that looks mean and goes vroom vroom gurbl gurbl is a muscle car
Those are all grand touring cars

>>17425425
are you implying gook or american cars are better because only whites drive them?

>>17425991
No it didn't you fucking retard, you wouldn't be able to afford cars otherwise

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>>17424916
jam engine from four door sedan into a two door budget coupé ?

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why does yurop constantly try to impress americans with their pseudo muscle. it's not muscle, get over it.

>>17426181
neither is a riced out Camaro

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>>17426202
ss camaro is the epitome of muscle
riced or not

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>>17426214
*pony car

>>17426181
Wtf they did to this car. Now you showed your full powerlevel and everyone knows you have no taste or you are 17 years old.

>>17424916
>500 hp in an American car costs $40,000 new
>500 hp in a yuro car costs $140,000 new

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>>17426181
>>17426214
Oh my fucking god. It's fun to bully some amerifats but you my friend are not even worth making fun of because you just went full retard by your self.

>>17426224
uh, no, the z28 was the track model retard.

daily reminder that Chevrolet Camaros are faster around any race track than Porsche 911s

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>>17426214
the epitome of muscle is a Roadrunner 440-6bbl

Camaros are pony cars

>>17426256
What a nice doggo

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>>17426244
>>17426256
sorry my impeccable taste hurts your delicate sensibilities.
(jk im not :^))

>>17426262
this

>>17426280
>camaro isn't a muscle car
Now you just look butthurt.

CTS-V > M3, Class AMG, RS4, etc.

Camaro > Porsche 911, AMG GT, M4 GTS, etc.

Ford GT > 488, R8, Mclaren 570, 650, 675, huracan, aventador, etc.

Lincoln continental > E class, S class, 7 series, A8

Ford Raptor > G wagon AMG

Ford F650 > AMG 6x6, AMG 4x4

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>>17426080
The F40 is like little baby near the glorious 959.

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>>17426377
Lost me at Ford gt>Aventador

>>17426455
He lost me at GT > any of them besides R8 and 570 and Taurus continental > anything.

Don't know enough about the Raptor or G-wagon. don't know enough about the F650 but i don't think it would out-pace a 6x6.

>>17426455
but it is. Lambos are trash and ford GTs have more pedigree, performance, better looks, and are just overall superior

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>>17425549
Because it's styled like a Korean shitbox. They literally took their best looking car and turned it into utter shit. I sincerely wish Egger to get ass cancer.

>>17426251
>better products are more expensive
wew

>>17426377
Nice b8

>>17426541
its all true you filthy yuro

yuros literally pay double or triple for the same car or a worse car

>>17426488
The G-wagen is a suv, raptor is a pickup. No one cross shops them. Sand people might cross shop a f650 with a 6x6 tho.
>>17426490
ford gt is v6 therefore shit.

>>17426545
the ecoboost v6 engine is awesome

you'll sniff the farts of the porsche boxer 6 or bmw inline 6 but both make less power, are less reliable, and more expensive than the ecoboost v6.

>>17426555
which boxer/i6 costs more than $500k?

>>17425041
I have a BMW and it is radically different than a Corvette ZO6.

'muscle' car is a good word for the z06 because driving it has insane power. The BMW is all balanced and good at turning.

Only a retard can't appreciate both.

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>>17424916
The only german muscle car has been the Diplomat V8
Fuck VAG, they are overpriced for what they offer, I would rather drive some rice car than VAG.
Mercedes and BMW are cars for shitty immigrants believing they could impress people by owning an AMG CLA, or impotent fucks that got the 3er Kombi as their company car and think they would be hot shit.
Also fuck Zetsche for taking part in destroying this country.

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>>17426377
Nice bait

>>17427947
>Fuck VAG

This is my motto right here, fuck vag, fuck it every day and fuck as much of it as you can

>overpriced infotainment-center/beds
>cheap gigantic engines with a deckchair taped to it
100% comparable
Truly Germany makes the """"real"""" musclecars

>>17427947
diplomas v8 came from chevy. its THEIR 327ci

>>17424916
huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zSIVpVMaw

yfw the fastest of those 3 cars you listed is about 30 seconds behind this camaro

>>17426377
CTS V is slow as shit in comparison to M3/C63
And continental better than S Class/7 series did you honestly think someone will fall for your shitty bait

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>>17424916
those arent a 'MUSCLE CAR' boy!
you musta been dropped on ya head when you was little...

>MERC
electrical gremlins
>BMW
engines dont last
>AUDI
quality control issues

wanna try again son?

you forget the old school muscle cars had their quirks too... but not as bad as audi

>>17428638
>american cars
>incredibly shit build quality
>some of the worst reliability in the market
>cheapest interiors ever
I am glad Europe doesn't produce true ''muscle cars''

>>17428696
Its almost like they were made to be cheap just-legal pieces of shit with big veeaytes
Nobody buys a muscle car for comfort or reliability
>its another "euronigger cant fathom the existence of cars that weren't made to do mileage and haul children" episode
Makes me fucking embarassed to be europoor

>>17424916
If it ain't American it ain't a musclecar and those cars are ugly

I'm european, and I have yet to see an european car that offers the same performance as a mustang gt for a similar price.
A Mustang gt with recaro seats goes for about 50k euros.
I think the closest one is a jaguar f-type with the supercharged v6...and it is 75k euros.
BMW and mercedes are closer to 100k than 50k.

>>17428793
An M2 costs the same as a Mustang GT.
>tip: the M2 is faster

>>17428631
the CTS-V is faster than an m5 you fucking retard

>>17428805
its not faster

The mustang is much much much faster

>>17428840
I automatically thought he's talking about the ATS-V
why did he compare two completely different segments in the first place?
>>17426377

>>17428846
the ATS-V is faster than an M3, c class AMG, and audi RS4

The CTS-V dumpsters them so hard its almost embarassing

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>>17428844
>much much much much much much faster
lel
375hp vs 426hp yet the M2 kills it on both straight line and track
Great display of american engineering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JuNcF2X54g

>>17428855
>electronically limited top speed
lmao

nice "muscle car"

>>17428851
Lol even MotorTrend, the biggest American car shills admitted that the ATS V is no match to European sports saloons.
Also why do you keep bringing up the RS4? It was discontinued like 10 years ago retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGAU7aFMFwQ

American cars aren't cheap.
They are built by slaves so company doesn't have to ramp up prices like in Europe where the workers get so much benefits, cuts of the factory bonuses, paid leave, paternity leave etc.

>>17426543
Who cares, american cars are garbage, not even a yuro

>>17428855
How the fuck is this even possible?
The mustang should be faster according to physics, it has more power and a better power to weight ratio?
Fucking kraut sorcery

>German muscle cars
>posts three German sports cars instead

Only two muscle cars being made anymore. The Challenger/Charger and the SS. That's it.

>>17424916

>Expensive as fuck

This alone is one reason why they aren't called muscle cars.

>>17426528
>good products in Europe are not affordable by 98% of the populace

Yuros have missed the entire point of muscle

>>17429366
>When your facts are based on your fantasy
I live in Austria and 7 out of 8 cars we own in our family are german premium cars worth over 60.000$ each. Try again ameripoor

>>17424922
I think that would be definition of a "pony car". pony cars were all of those mustang thingies: designed for young people, powerful, yet cheap. Muscle cars are those old cars that were stuffed with quality and power, like torino or buicks.

>>17425824
Yes, that's how muscle cars work.

>>17430098
This. I live in one of the poorest countries in the EU (Latvia) yet still I only see brand new bimmers, mercs and audis in my area. Sure there are lots of poorfag mobiles but there are like 3 brand new GLS benzs in my neighborhood

Should I /o/?
http://www.merrjep.al/Njoftimi/Shitet/Durr%C3%ABs/AUTOMJETE/Makina/BMW/Seri-3/320/BMW-320CD-coupe-diesel/4337453

>>17430127
>I only see brand new bimmers, mercs and audis in my area
Because yurop gets special base models with extra-tiny engines, and fucktons of people lease basic bitch diesels.

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>>17428805
>M2 is $50k
>Mustang GT is $35K
>europoors and their math

>>17425167
camaro zl1 1le, 7:16

eat shit, eurotrash. at least my car doesn't come with a prayer mat in the trunk.

>>17428696
apparently, you've never owned a bmw. extremely expensive to maintain, and the water pump is going to shit out before 20k miles.