/ORG/ - Off Road General

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why is quadrasteer so rare? i want one but never find any for sale

>>17405747
Expensive option at the dealership that most didn't think was worth the extra money. You looking for a Suburban or a pickup?

>>17405763
either. just want one. i dont even care if its 2wd

>>17405766
Check ebay regularly and don't be afraid to fly to one and drive it back if you find the right deal. Just test drive it and make sure the quadrasteer system is in good working order before any money changes hands. It's not unreliable but if you buy one that's already busted, fixing it could prove expensive.

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Anon with the stumbling Cherokee from last thread.

I've noticed now after pissing with it for a few minutes that it's inconsistent. It seems to coincide with me hitting bumps or just shaking the vehicle in general. I was test driving it after cleaning the throttle body and It was doing fine until I hit some railroad tracks and it started backfiring and stumbling like it was running way rich or something. Pulled over to the side of the road and killed it, then started it back up and it ran fine all the way back home. So I'm guessing it's Probably a loose cable since I just changed the battery (it wasn't doing this before I swapped the batteries out). Will a 4.0 not stay running with the battery cable loose/disconnected?

>>17405812
i basically know a few people with them who would only sell them upon their death.

>01 Tundra
>250k km
>ext cab, vee ait 4.7
>frame is mint

why shouldn't I get it?

>>17405936
It's the worst fullsize pickup available from the time period and yet it likely costs the most.

>>17405966
>It's the worst fullsize pickup available from the time period

[citation needed]

yeah it isn't a heavy tower, but "worst truck from the time period"? explain yourself

>likely costs the most

friend is selling it to me for $2500 because there's a leakage on the exhaust manifold. That's the only "problem"

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Bumpin from this weekend's trip innawoods

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>mfw asked about tips for owning an older Chevy
>massive shit posting ensues

>>17405916
If your alternator is dying, sure.

>>17406023
You should get a girlfriend.

>>17405916
>>17406084
Sounds like a sketchy ground to me.

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>>17406099
I'm seeing someone at the moment... We'll see how serious things get with her. My biggest issue is I work too much at the moment.

>>17406125
I just meant so you'd have someone to take non shaky pictures. Let your lady friend take some.

>inherit 1998 4runner from dad
>Its RWD
Should I just kill myself? Can this thing even offroad?

>>17406216
Yes.
No.

>>17406216
SAS or kys. Might be able to build it as a prerunner if you tried.....

>>17406192
>>17406125

And some fucking new pictures. I'm not even that much of a regular in these threads anymore and i still see you fags recycling the same images over and over.

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>>17406374
Nonsense. We only post new pictures here.

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>>17406374
Nothing but the freshest OC here :^)

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>>17406505
Agreed

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>>17406512
:^)

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>>17406422
>>17406505
>>17406512
>>17406536
>>17406578
>>17406582
>>17406586

>>17406422
Not him, but ive never actually seen this photo posted here. How much body/suspension lift would you say is on that suburban? Thats kinda how i would like mine to look size wise.

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took my isuzu out innadesert last weekend for some camping and desert adventures. just the dirt roads though. want to get some better tires before I go into softer dirt or sand

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>>17406653
That's a 3" body lift and ~2" of torsion key crank.
If you've got a 1500, it's also an extra 1" front and ~3" taller in the back due to being a 2500.

That picture was all over ORG back in 2012/2013. Here's another oldie.

>>17406024
Suburbatards can't even talk to each other without sperging

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>>17406704
10/10 would patrol the mojave in again

>>17406724
>implying there's more than one

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>>17406734
fucking phone camera

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>>17406735
Good point

>tfw bought a suburban 1500
>its AWD, not 4WD
Probably doesn't even matter, I'm just paranoid about it being more complicated, fragile, and expensive. Anybody know much about gmt800 AWD suburbans?

I have records of previous owner having front axle assembly replaced and it was more than 2000$ just for the part. I do NOT want to go through that and probably (hopefully) won't but don't want to put much money and effort into something that isn't a good platform to build my off roader in the first place.

>>17406704
that thing is mint
is it 4wd?

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>>17406784
it is (4 high and 4 low), and for 223k miles its in great shape. except the front is slightly fucked up from an accident that happened with a previous owner. I grabbed a grille from a junk yard that will fit but the bumper needs to be straightened out first

>>17406799
do you plan to mod it?

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>>17406823
don't have the money right now but I've been thinking of a bull bar or maybe a cargo rack up top. dont want to mess with the clearance or tire size though I like how it is stock for the most part. finding after market stuff for it has been a nightmare though, isuzu never caught on in America like other brands sadly

>>17406084
>>17406104
Another new symptom while out driving. It tends to get worse as I come to a stop, then it smoothes out. Alternator being bad was funny enough the first thing I checked. It puts out ~13.5 volts, which is apparently around where it should be. I just tested fuel pressure and it was at ~50 PSI, which is also in range for the fuel pump. That just leaves a vacuum leak or a bad ECU, since it isn't throwing any codes at me (even when I pulled a plug wire).

>>17406778
The one thing I know about them is that you can swap the transfer case for a real one.

>>17406843
just get yourself a decent set of tires
they can make a world of difference

>>17407050
sketchy injector maybe? sticks closed, causing loss of a cylinder (or two, if it's multiple injectors being shits) because no fuel = no bang

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>>17407192
Something else I just found. No cat and the o2 sensors just unplugged and hanging above the aftermarket muffler. I wouldn't think it would cause a misfire this bad though. It should also throw a code, no?

>>17407250
Your check engine light isn't working, homeboy.

>>17407305
It comes on when I first put the key in, though.

https://tucson.craigslist.org/cto/6185067066.html


I really like the cheesy red interior. Good starting point, fellow Burbatards?

Are zukes /org/ approved?
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/6160625082.html

>>17407338
Auto trac is a little bit more of pain if you're going to lift it later. Other than that, the bad heated mirror glass, and the red interior, it looks good.

>>17407332
I meant its actual function, not its ability to illuminate.

>>17407361
If you're not serious about buying that, go fuck yourself. If you are, go buy it, now. Make him feel small by giving him $2900, but buy it. Again, if not, go fuck yourself.

>>17407397
i really want it, my brother had one for about 14 years and it went through hell and back many times and never stranded us.
not sure i can swing the cash on that one right now though

>>17407417
So get a loan. It'll take like what, ten months to pay off at $250 a month, plus a little extra some months when you don't have shit else to buy?

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Recently picked up a 2006 Colorado 4x4
How'd I do boys? I've taken it on some Mojave trails that is about it so far. Want to get better tires and a small lift.

>>17407417
Keep in mind, I'd be buying that cash tonight if it wasn't 2461.7mi at from me. Don't miss out.

>>17407456
Colorado seats sit fucking weird. Feels like a cheap sedan, but you're in a truck. Legs are supposed to go down from truck seats, not straight out like a car. No idea on how capable they are, couldn't get over the seating.

>>17407456
I'd say you did good, my girlfriend owns one and I've driven it lots. Does yours have the 5cylinder?

>>17407473
>>17407450
i have two 4x4s and 5 bikes already and no space for it, room to park it is my biggest issue

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>>17407370
>I meant its actual function, not its ability to illuminate.

...are they two separate things? does it not go straight to the ECU?

>>17407500
That's five too many bikes.

>>17407508
I'll admit I've never encountered it, but if you're having that many problems and your PCM isn't giving you a fault code, something is wrong.

>>17407500
>swing the cash
So is cash the problem, or is it room?

>>17407539
yes
i cant really justify it for both reasons but ill be damned if i dont want it.
>would fit in the back yard because it would be small enough to get out through the alley gate

>>17407531
>That's five too many bikes.
dead to me anon.

>>17407531
>PCM isn't giving you a fault code, something is wrong.

like I said, I checked all the usual culprits and nothings come up out of the ordinary. at this point the only thing I can point a finger at would be the ECU itself or maybe a shot TPS.

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>>17407487
yeah feels like I'm driving a lifted car it's weird but I'm used to it
>>17407492
Yeah the i5 3.5 I made a ram air out of a k&n and some pipe pic related if anyone cares
>inb4 missing a cylinder

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>>17407557
>plot twist

>>17407568
You need a technician. I'd gladly help you out if you're close. Where you at?

>>17407595
>You need a technician. I'd gladly help you out if you're close. Where you at?

South Dakota. so probably not close. what I don't get is its intermittent. it isn't an all-the-time thing. it just randomly starts running like shit for a while. sometimes it goes away, sometimes it doesn't. all the while there's no light. but like I said, I pulled the plug to cylinder 2 and it didnt throw a light either, even though it was very noticably missing.

>>17407616
It has to notice multiple drive cycles with the same issue before triggering the light. And yeah, you're a few thousand miles away, sorry. Find an Aamco in your area, they almost always give free diagnostics. If not, maybe you can pay someone to figure it out, I know not everyone here is poor but you have to assume. Good luck, Anon, don't give up.

>>17407456

Watch that 3.5 for a dropped valve seat. They're notorious for it regardless of maintenance.

>>17407487

Seats in mine are terrible. My old ZR2 has WAY better seats.

>>17407616
too lazy to read back up, have you already done plugs and wires?
dizzy cap and rotor if applicable?
is the misfire always on the same cylinder?

>>17407250
Yep that's really bad that basically tells the car how rich or lean it needs to run based on the exhaust, also kills your mpg. Had mine go out rough shifting and fucked up idle

>>17407704
>not having 37s or a turbo

>>17407710

did plugs, gonna do cap, rotor, and wires when I get paid. they didnt LOOK to be in bad shape, though.

>is the misfire always on the same cylinder?
I'm not sure. it just randomly starts tripping over itself and backfiring and jerking the fuck out of the drivetrain (starts chirping tires real bad since its torquey as fuck and its a stick shift). like I said if I stomp my foot to the floor during this it revs up normally (albeit I quickly start speeding so I slow down). it only really does this at half throttle. if I go WOT it goes away for a minute.

>>17407719
>Yep that's really bad that basically tells the car how rich or lean it needs to run based on the exhaust, also kills your mpg. Had mine go out rough shifting and fucked up idle

THAT badly? I had a 91 toyota with BOTH o2 sensors disconnected (then only 1 for a while) and all I got was a little hesitation(and shitty mpg)

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>>17407745
i know my truck had some similar issues, it was a combination of shitty fuel pressure, bad wires and a carbon traced cap
still gets the bucks when its cold and i try to take off up a hill too slow occasionally.
i have the same issue with the check engine light not tripping when i pull the o2 sensor too

Just got my new transmission for the K5 from monster transmissions. Plan to have it installed, along with the front locker, by the end of the weekend. So then July 4th holiday weekend, July 1st and 2nd, we can hit up Rausch creek.

Any of you guys down for coming out, should have a 3-4 4WDs coming out.

>>17407704
>bogged in 3 inches of mud

>>17408855
That is Rausch creek in Tremont Pennsylvania, gonna do blue and black trails, may try Crawl daddy trail (which is a red trail)

>>17407745
Sounds like it could be the throttle position sensor.

>>17408884
>stock f-150 from the 90s
what are you expecting?

Where / what should I look at / for if I want an offroader for cheap? I basically just want it for going to the gun range since I'm tired on losing a tire on my shitbox every time I go.

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>>17408884
>gets stuck in tractor ruts running slicks and bottom out
>dude how the hell did you get stuck

>>17409200
>you should have been driving faster before you hit the mud... LOL

>>17409254
This.
You could have just hydroplaned over everything but you bitched out and got stuck.

>>17409397
>hydroplaned
i'm not sure you understand how hydroplaning works

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>>17407770
Well, as per >>17409069 suggests, it COULD be the tps. The check engine light also definitely works because it came on the second I unplugged the tps. It also isn't driving quite as erratic as it was before (although it still wants to bog down occasionally). Plug wires, cap and rotor didn't quite help, but were probably overdue anyway.

>>17409254
I was going 50

>>17409744
Clearly that wasn't fast enough, you could have gone faster...

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>bogged in 6 inches of mud
>getting stuck in 2wd

Few nights ago a low hanging brake line behind the rear axle got caught on something while driving through ruts and now I don't really have rear brakes. Then last night I sunk my truck to the floor and I'm pretty sure my U joints are fucked. And that bumper I made is fucked right up now.

At least I don't have school for a couple months so I actually have time to fix this.

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Here you go, /ORG/. Using my roamingdata not to show you my Northern Ontario Overland pictures but this thing that I had to flip a U-turn around to Photograph

>>17410023
Did you get stuck at boundary in the fire place? Lmao dude. I started my journey there and had to pull out three kids in a Dodge Ram 2wd who were looking for scrap metal and got stuck right as I showed up

How's the winch btw? Annoying af as my tundra tested had no instructions.

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>>17410095
destroy this pos faggot mobile

>>17409647
Maybe he means hydrolocked

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>>17410095
It was right in the middle of the pond in the pits. And I still need to either make a bumper now or just make a winch plate now. Gotta spend my money on other stuff this weekend though.

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>>17410265
You want my winch plate for my FJ80? It's just sitting around doing nothing right now.

>>17410150
Hey, that rig sorta makes sense if you need to take 9 people and a fifthwheel somewhere. Not so much for anything else though....

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How do I get into some good tires on a budget? I almost just got stuck in my 4runner trying offroad with slicks like an idiot

>>17411417
Step 1: Expand the budget. Keep running the slicks until you can afford to drop ~$1k on tires. If it's a DD, stick to some sort of all-terrain (I run BFG KO2s on my DD). They don't perform as well offroad, but they'll last longer on-road and be more comfy and more fuel-efficient than some of your dedicated offroad tires.

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>>17411417
BF GOODRICH
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>>17411459

Beefy G's aren't cheap, though. Maybe if you want dinky little 255s or something, but if you get proper 285's they're like $260/ea. At least here in a Canada they are.

Pls no bully leaf.

>>17411440
>>17411459
>>17411468
Would you fellas even CONSIDER a used set of beefy g's? Or am I asking for trouble here

Ifs it still for fags

Gm ifs being the most weak and faggy of them all

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>>17411468
BFGs are the most durable mt tires i ever owned. They are the only tires that don't shred after driving on rocky roads. So yeah, they cost more but saving 60 - 70 - 100$ and getting cheaper tires that shred on pavement and stones not worth it for me. bfg mt are surprisingly quite on pavement too.

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>>17411488

No.

Reason being, there's a 50% chance they were absolutely RAPED and may have some internal damage you can't see.

Or there's a 50% chance they were just run on some pristine road queen and babied their whole life.

But either way, you won't find them for a very good price. Every faggot I've seen hocking used AT or MT want a shitload. You're better off buying new, getting the warranty, and having them installed and balanced by a reputable shop.

>>17411494

I said no bully

>>17411488
It'd still be a better investment to get a new set. Used ones aren't worth the money.

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>>17411488
That's what i bought. They were in mint condition, only 2 had slight one side thread wear because they were on Vitara. I put them in the back.

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>>17411504

I agree. Last set reached 130,000km before I replaced them.Granted they spent a lot of their life on paved roads, but they were bulletproof. I ended up finding a 2" long self tapping screw lodged in one of them. It must've been there for a while because the head of the screw had been worn to a perfectly smooth shine. Ripped it out, plugged it, and ran for a long time before replacing.

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>>17411504
* quiet

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>>17411545

CA-UTE

>>17411505
>>17411507
I haven't bought a new tire in 5 years, nothing wrong with used tires so long as you check them for defects and damage and weak spots in the sidewall

I got a set of 80% tread 33x12.50x15 mud tires for $400 and ran them for three years with no issues at all

>>17411569
I'm well aware that there isn't anything inherently bad about used tires in general. What I'm saying is that you won't save anything by getting a used set of BFGs. If someone is selling them used, and they're not low on tread, it's because they beat the piss out of them and don't want to keep running them and risk a blowout. A full set of new ones will give you guaranteed performance, a full lifespan, and a warranty, for not much more than what a used set will cost. My brand-new BFGs ran me $770 out the door, came with a 6-month warranty, and include free repairs for the life of the tires.

>>17411545
vrooooooom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfmZ3tWcrjA

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>>17406192
>>17406374
Yea... no QT... thats the biggest reason for a lack of pics of Murphy.
Current QT has a GMT800 of her own so that doesn't help much :-\

>>17406422
Any updates on tracking down a TCM? My pump is going out and I'm not sure if I want to do a DB2 swap or just fix it

>>17406704
Nice Isuzu anon! What are your plans for it?>>17406843
Nevermind my question... GMT400 mods are surprisingly hard to find too. I may be looking in the wrong places though...

>>17407338
Porno Red/10 m8. I never liked the color but to each their own. Looks solid otherwise!

>>17407361
Buy this nao!

>>17407589
Something breaks on this motor but I can't remember what it is...

>>17407704
Needs a black mesa logo...

>>17410023
More 2wd S10 woes?

>>17411771
BFGs for Murphy would set me back 1k.
I brought a set of used KOs with pitiful tread left for $100

Another thing to keep in mind if buying used is to make sure the offset is correct. Those KOs? The offset was wrong and they rub like Fukkk. Too bad though. I like the rims :-\

>>17412698
They were $100 for a reason, those KOs have almost no tread on them.

>>17412698
>>17412711
Just noticed you mentioned the pitiful remaining tread....... You could fix the offset problem with wheel spacers, but that'd introduce a whole new set of issues

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>>17412698
>Any updates on tracking down a TCM?
Turns out HMMWVs never switched to the DS4 pump, so all of them 94+ have correct TCM. Luckily my local scrapyard is recycling HMMWVs so they've got dozens of the TCMs laying around in sealed and padded boxes. I was definitely happy to crack it open and see the correct part number.

>>17412717
Actually if the offset is too far in, more so than stock, then running wheel spacers to push the wheels out to factory offset, or just past factory offset, wouldn't be bad. It's only when you go crazy low backspacing where the wheels hang out 3"+ from the factory wheels where you start to have issues, well that and running a much larger tire then came from the factory will also put extra leverage on joints and bearings.

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>>17405727
I haven't even posted in like two threads y u do dis

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>>17411459
This

So has no one here been to or heard of Rausch creek off road park in Tremont Pennsylvania?

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This is when I went to white sands

>>17414048
i would think the majority of us haven't even been to PA

>>17414072
Is this you trying to look deep and contemplative? Gay as fuck. Stay out of NM.

>>17407456
kys evan

>>17414214
Well if any of you guys live in Maryland, Jersey, Delaware or NY state you probably would have heard of it if you were actually serious about 4 wheeling.

Just wondering if anyone that lives in those states would want to go and wheel for the weekend sometime. You can camp on site, also a hotel nearby as well.

>>17414258
are you guys pretty limited on ohv trails?

>>17407770
Alright, so on the off chance anyone cares, apparently it was the upstream o2 sensor. Unplugged both of them and jeep runs fine now. Also still no CEL.

is this one of those "Jeep things" I've been hearing about?

>>17414402
pretty sure "jeep things" just means being upside-down or crushed to death. It being an unreliable shitheap is really just more of an "american cars thing"

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>>17414402
>"Jeep things"
yes
thanks for the follow up

>>17414426
no the jeep thing statement is just a broad statement that jeeps are problematic
so really it could mean anything

>>17414339
Yeah unlike out west we don't have heaps of public land to wheel on

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>>17414444
that sucks man
sorry

>>17412886
Details? How do you go about splicing this into OBD2 wiring?

Also, will these TCMs work with four wheel drive? I guess the TCMs from the cargo vans weren't compatible with four wheel drive due to the 4Lo gearing.

>>17413723
Ayyy! Welcome back!

>>17414402
Just
Empty
Every
Pocket
>Former Jeep owner, can confirm. God, why do I still want another one though? Must be Stockholm syndrome

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>>17414221
Lol that's my friend, I took the picture, he's just sitting there hahaha

>>17405727
4wd yoda>2wd

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>>17414505
>How do you go about splicing this into OBD2 wiring?
Well the plugs are the same, but I'd imagine the pinouts are likely different. I'll need to get my hands on some wiring diagrams.

>will these TCMs work with four wheel drive? I guess the TCMs from the cargo vans weren't compatible with four wheel drive due to the 4Lo gearing
They should seeing as the HMMWVs are 4x4 and the 94-96 DB2 vans used the same TCMs.

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>>17415567
>Blasted by bugs, much fun

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>>17415598
>It's like a giant water funnel

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>>17415603
Thankfully the military hasn't torn or clogged the trails up yet.

National guard trainees have a death wish
>They'll just start doing inventory on a blind corner randomly on 55mph seasonal roads
>They'll literally spread the entire crew out over an entire road to check their rutsacks

>>17414235
okay gabe

your own personal jesus
someone to mow your lawn
and trim your trees

>>17411417
Comfy sunset you got there.

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>>17415603
>>17415598
>>17415567
that's a very nice car anon

>>17415603
>>17415598
>>17415567
>No wipers
>No windshield!
>Light bar / not real headlights
>No grill
>Exposed wires, radiator, and why is there a rubber tie down with plastic strips?
>Colors don't match
>Interior is soaked
>No speakers in dash
Looks like fun/10

>>17417001
You forgot >hood held shut by zipties

>>17417008
Ah, that's what those plastic strips are. Makes sense now.

>>17417499
Stop, my penis can only get so erect

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Back from overlanding throughout Northern Ontario (any part north of Algonquin and the northern parts of the shield is what is colloqially referred to as "North")

The first interesting part is the beaver's dam that is actually part of the trail and helps me keep water out of my cabin

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>>17417968
Same trail that leads from central Ontario up to Lake Nip. We have had a delayed snow melt along with heavy rainfall for the past month so the stagnant water has been really damn high. This little rut was around 1 metre deep and I would've been able to cross it if i had the appropriate door seals.

Unfortunately, 10 klicks into the trail and this was blocked off by a deep swamp overflow. so I had to turn back.

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I did manage to get on top of the rock above it and get a good picture with the highwires in the back.

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>>17417990
another pic of the rock

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North of Algonquin has large "ATV" paths that are cut across crown land with permission by MNR (ministry of natural resources) that connects roads. Within every mile of highway between Nippissing and Sudbury, there are around 3 different trailheads that connect with eachother in this HUGE network of trails / rocks that are not documented. GPSs won't help you much because they wind in and out everywhere.

I love going through them because it's a different path every time and you can literally spend a month wandering around these trails going back and forth between them. Unfortunately, I only had a few days go go through them as I had a sense of direction to go around. I love just taking random small ones away from logging routes.

This is what they look like in the clearing.

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Due to these swaths of rock formations being crown lands, you can cut your own trails with permission and make them lead into the backyards of one of your friends / cottages.

You can also do any of this on the rocks:
>shoot legally in canadaland
>camp legally as long as you want
>start fires

And they're so far from general campers and people that you don't have to worry about anything. If you find one with a creekbed (one or two hours north of North Bay), you can reasonably live /out/ for a month subsisting off crayfish, riverfish, and just drink the creekwater. Just gotta go into town to occasionally get gas to keep you going.

>inb4 glampers pls go

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Anyway, sorry for the lack of taytaytaytaytaytay. Last post now.

Here's a picture of my almost built Land Cruiser that followed me /out/ in the past week for muh discussions.

It navigated the "ATV" paths better than a UTV did and the wheelbase was more than short enough. Rock climbing in the clearing was also easy as hell.

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good night, /org/

i'm gonna go toss up a thread on that 6 door pickup truck on /o/ and see the fruits of my harvest tomorrow morning then head off. damn 34 total hours of driving really tires you out

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No Murphy, what are you doing?

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I am getting sidesteps next

>>17418811
Why a flatbed?

>>17418849
I farm and they are tougher, impossible to dent and versatile

>>17418853
Makes sense. Is that a Nissan? I dont recall seeing this body style before.

>>17418857
Mazda bt50

>>17405727
Nice tipper truck.

>>17405727
General question from a car guy who knows nothing about trucks:

I'm looking to replace my winter/off road truck with something that isn't a piece of shit.

>under $12,000 USD
>4WD
>4 doors

So it's basically going to be a high mileage full-sized truck. Silverado, F150, Tacoma are my top 3 choices. I live in the rust belt. Are those bad choices? Do they get rusted frames other than maybe the Tacoma? Chevy 4.8 and 5.3 seem pretty reliable. Are their transmissions likely to blow?

>>17419183

Also the off-roading I do is almost entirely driving on sand, so ground clearance matters more than approach angle.

>>17419183
kill yourself.

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>>17419192
seems like a reasonable answer faggot

>>17419192
Hey thanks, buddy!

Second gen 4Runner I might be considering. Not sure why they are worth so little compared to Tundras of that era. I guess a bed on a truck never really ages so it keeps them from depreciating.

>>17418865
Wew lad, you fell for the Mazda meme, shoulda got a dmax if you wanted it to do real work.

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>>17418299

>>17419183
Avoid 2008-2012 GM trucks, they have a frame rust problem, though not nearly as bad as the Tacoma. Avoid F1shitty because anything they can do a different truck can do better. Try to find an '06 or '07 Silverado/Sierra, 2500 with the 6.0 gas motor. Big enough to handle real work, the 6.0 is practically bulletproof, and whatever trans is behind it (it's either a 4L80E or a 6L80E, i'm not sure) is nigh-indestructible as well. These are the trucks that survive 300k hard miles as company work trucks, and come out of it still running strong.

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So I recently obtained another 4x4 Chevy Silverado C/K 1500. No Z71's in my area that weren't all beat up or near death, so this weekend warrior/ workhorse will have to do. Still planning on going /out/ with it thought.

But I have a question, and if anybody can help it would be greatly appreciated.

So currently I am running stock 16x7 wheels and stock size 245/75/16 tires. I am currently looking to beef up and upgrade the tires and wheels.

What are my size options without a lift or grinding? Would I be able to fit and run 15x10's and fit 31x10.5x15's? Or should I play it save and run 16x8's with 265/75/16's, if I can?

I know in Z71's I would be able to fit 33's without any rubbing, but this truck doesn't have the offroad package, and the truck is generally smaller than a Z71. (If I recall, Z71's are 3 inches higher?)

Really any input I would appreciate greatly, and any suggestions/recommendations are welcome.

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>>17419500
Sorry about the sideways picture btw, I don't know what happened. Here's a closer pic of the tire.

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>>17419523
And the front tire.

Again, sorry about the pictures being sideways.

>>17419265
get a third gen

>>17415680
>National guard trainees
There's your answer.

>>17419429
I agree with this guy, I have a 3500 GM work van with the 6.0, runs great. All the vans my company uses are the GM 3500 vans with 6.0s, all get 250k miles before being sold, still running when they do sell them off. Pure beef

>>17419500
DO NOT RUN 10" WIDE WHEELS. 15x8" wheels are all that's needed for 31x10.50s all the way 37x12.50s.

The narrower 8" wheel will help hold the tire better at the bead, as well as tuck the wheel in away from the outside of the tire which protects it. Also 10" wide wheels make the tire look stretched, which is gay, and will make the tire stick out more, which is bad for rubbing and turning radius.

I had 15x10" wheels with 35x12.50s on my K5, the 15x8" wheels look and perform MUCH better. Also go with steel wheels over aluminum, they bend instead of cracking and breaking. Steel wheel lips can be beat back round with a hammer unlike shit aluminum wheels.

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>>17418299
the fuck

>>17420044
Nice, thanks for the information dude. It's always nice to have experienced input.

So that narrows it down to 31x10x5x15's. If I recall right that particular size would be a little bigger than a 265, but not by much.

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>>17420044
Eat shit and die faggot 10 wide barts 4life

>>17421366
nice super slicks

>>17419996
is this the dude with the seriously tired LTD?
can you link the video pouring beer in the radiator?

>>17421366
10" wide, or wider wheels are retarded for any tire that is 12.5" or narrower. Now if you run a 15-18" wide tire then you actually have need for a wider wheel.

Clearly reading isn't your strong suit cuz you can't afford anything nicer than a shitty ass dodge. What's it like being poor? Faggot...

>>17419429
>>17420021
Thank you both for genuine info! I appreciate it.
I heard from another guy to avoid F150s as well. I think I'll steer clear of them.


>>17419534
I like the 2005 4Runner. I'd prefer to have a bed but these seem really underpriced for a V8, proper frame, and decent mechanical reliability. Not sure what the rust situation is on those bad boys though.

>>17419500
94? I actually like those side graphics.

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>>17421739
Thanks. I like them too, but in some spots the clear coat is starting to chip/peel. Such things come with an older truck.

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Seriously doubt anyone gives a shit about what I do, let alone my non offroad activities, but fuck you, Paul came back and I'm happy. Riding out the storm together.

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>>17421494
>What's it like being poor
It's kinda like that time you're mom choked on my big meaty cock while you're dad stood in the corner and watched, but all the time

Don't hate me cause you ain't me nigga

>>17421975
fuck paul

>>17422034
He's too small on one end, and too many teeth on the other.

>>17421975
Glad to see he's safe and sound

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>>17422108
Thanks, I am too. He's been around the last couple days right as I left for work, but tonight we finally got time to hang out while we waited out the storm. Really wish I could just bring him inside.

>>17421975
The eternal guardian has returned. Welcome back to your sacred office chair.

>>17422136
Paul thanks you.

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>>17421975
hai q t

>>17421975
glad to hear paul's safe
he was just getting some cat lovin

>>17422283
Even Paul likes Tay.
>>17422303
I hope so, he was wet and scruffy looking when he came back, and it hadn't rained for a few days.

>>17422106
lel

>>17422321
>wet and scruffy looking
>it hadn't rained for a few days
that's a little weird
does/did he smell funky?

>>17422338
No. He was coming out of neighboring yards where the brush is tall. He'd been bedding down there.

>>17422350
has nothing to do with offroading, stop blogging

>>17422354
Sure thing, new friend. Let's hear all about your off road adventure.

>>17422380
I drove off a curb down a hill to get to Old Chicago pizza quicker because they had Chimay on tap that night.

>>17422354
Yes it does, Paul is his shop cat, in the shop where he built/repairs his rig.

>>17422397
Then can I post my cum rag where I deposit my jizz because it's in my garage where I build/repair my rig?

>>17422402
No, because blue board. You can post other rags though.

>>17422408
It's dried up so it's as relevant as some fucking dirty cat.

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>>17422410
>implying Paul is just any old cat

>>17422421
He's a dirty cat that has nothing to do with offroading

>>17422430
>implying the rig would get built the same without Paul
Paul makes the shop more enjoyable, which leads to spending more time in the shop, which leads to a better rig.

>>17422441
no

>>17422447
yee

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>>17422410
An argument regarding the relevancy of cats in /ORG/ is less relevant than the cat itself. If you do not want the cat to be discussed, then stop discussing the cat.

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>>17422568
don't post the cat

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>>17422578

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>>17422617

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>>17421401
those were beer bottles full of water anon

>>17422870
ke

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>>17415567
>>17415598
>>17415603
>>17415680
ERMEGERD! I KNOW THESE TRAILS! My best friend from school had a cabin right off of the natural gas pipeline just West off of 72.

I still head up here all the time. WHY HAVE WE NOT CROSSED PATHS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

>>17415148
Do you have access to the guide for OBD1 trucks? If not I can send you the link.

>>17418009
Looks like paradise!

>>17418299
>No AC on roof/10
I do however, have an imposter in town. It is a 454 though, and not a 6.5

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>>17421401
I also have a seriously tired LTD
My LTD is a legit LTD tho, not a T-bird/Cougar

>>17422388
>has nothing to do with offroading, stop blogging
has nothing to do with offroading, stop blogging

These guys have great content, pure wheeling and awesomeness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWV8TWvu8A8

https://youtu.be/OiKpp-v2JDU

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Xj owner since 2 days ago, decided to go off to look for adventure with dead as fuck rear leaf Springs and street tires. Dis gon be gud

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>>17424566
This car also has a cassette player, so I went and got something to listen from my mom.

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Only some sand pits in the middle of forest. I'm too much of a bitch to look for mud at the current state.

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>>17424566
oh shnit
just floor it and hope for the best

>>17424721
>blondie
good tunes

>>17424753
thanks for sharing
enjoy your new xj mang

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>>17425121
>enjoy your new xj mang
Thanks. I had 93' Explorer, like 4 years ago, and after some meh cars I finally feel like I'm back home with the XJ, the whole 90's truck feel is so damn nice. Didn't get stuck, sand and steep sandy slopes seemed easy to handle, but I didn't go any muddy trails, since it has been raining the whole evening and I'm still a total newbie when it comes to driving off the road.
First thing Monday I'll go see the shop about the rear springs, and when that issue has been dealt with I need to decide whether to keep these tires this summer and get a new set of wheels and studded tires for winter. Or do I already get a set of all terrains in a reasonable size that fits the stock height.

>>17425200
>studded tires
just get traction tires
far superior to studded tire bs

>do I already get a set of all terrains in a reasonable size that fits the stock height
what's your commute like?
where do you live?
how often do you plan on wheeling?

>>17425232
I was thinking studded, because of the Finnish winter, but the current tires do have M+S marking, as in they are traction tires, so I guess I can try going this winter with them and get the studded ones later if it's suicidal with current tires.
Commute is 10km to one direction, roads are mostly paved (poorly atm. infrastructure is falling apart here) I plan on mostly going some smaller trails/tractor roads to camping, hunting trips when autumn comes and such.
Dont yet know how much I'll be doing it, but I'd like to have atleast some sort of all terrains, I have experience with yokohama geolanders and general grabber at2s, both were good tires, yet I'm intrigued by hankook dynapros, they seem like a good tire for its worth.

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>>17425287
>M+S marking
i have yet to find an all season mud/snow tire that even comes close to the performance of a legit traction tire

>yokohama geolanders and general grabber at2s
agreed good tires
don't forget about the bfg a/t ko not the ko2's though
the ko2's can experience early wear especially on shitty roads
>inb4 ko2's are better than ko's
no they aren't
at least not yet

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>>17425287
I have to agree with >>17425706; all-terrain/mud-terrain tires do not hold a cancle to an on-road winter tire for road driving, even with siping and studded

Best one I've come across would be studded Goodyear Duratrac Wrangler all-terrains, but their grip is still far from something like a Nokian Hakkapelititta 8 SUV/Hakkapeliitta LT2, or even the kinda shit Cooper Discoverer M+S with studs

Still; I've driven a few of the trucks at my work all year around on unmodified BFG AT KO2's, which during the winter means steep mountain roads that are just compacted ice & snow, with the odd gritting here and there. Still get around ok, but the steepest parts & tightest corners do require planning as there is no chance you'll be able to stop there

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>>17425756
>>17425706
I seem to have misworded myself,my current tires ARE traction tires, in front some Michelins and in rear Hakkapeliittas, what I was thinking should I get the studded ones still since I really never have learned to trust traction tires fully, I have always had studs for winter tires in my cars before.

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>>17425863
>should I get the studded ones still since I really never have learned to trust traction tires fully
no traction tires are the tires you need
put your trust into them they are god tier
i would feel safe to say that everyone who has used traction tires would absolutely agree
but it is your trucc so do what YOU think is right

>>17425903
I think I will try them out. If the big roads are too slippery for my taste, I'll just use the couple of smaller ones that go around here.
Thanks for the tips guys, you're good goys /org/.

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>>17425756
>Goodyear Duratrac Wrangler all-terrains
best highway comf tyres considering the aggressive track pattern

also what >>17425903 said

>>17425951
>>17425756
Are Wrangler Duratracs all-terrrains? They're sold here as winter tires and people put them on their camry shitboxes in the winter.

>>17425962
Are you sure about that?

The smallest Duratrac Wrangler is 235/75/15, which I kinda doubt fits a Camry

Infact, seemingly all the Wrangler-series tires are truck/SUV-sized

>>17426001
What if the camry was a... battlewagon?

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>>17415598
makes me feel better about just missing a grill lmao

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Had to replace the switch that came with my KCs, picked this one up from vatozone, it looked just like the original that emitted a faint glow when turned on. This one is almost dangerous to run at night.

>>17426853
Color it with a sharpie or even paint. Should cut down on the glare a bit.
t. guy did this to a shitty aftermarket radio that came with the car

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>>17426143
Isuzu stronk!

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>>17427502
Nice Amigo anon, I wish I had a two door honestly because
>no friends

New transmission is installed in the K5! As well as the new front locker. It's now locked front and rear, can't wait to wheel it next weekend to try it all out.

>>17418811
Yay chubbs

>>17427678
Just think of them as extra cargo doors.

Anyone run Maxxis trapadors? I'm looking at the 35x12.50-15 sized radial version.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX6VyR9uLr8

>>17430425
Painting a piece of shit doesnt make it stop stinkin.

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>>17430476
-t faggot

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I got my on my truck again.
Am I cool yet? :/

>>17430521
Mud* on my truck. Spellcheck is for quitters

>>17430521
why do you keep posting this anon

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anyone want to buy my GMT800 suburban?

>>17430476
Actually, if you paint it thick enough you can't smell it anymore.

>>17430699
I took this pic today. But thank you for caring <3

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>ITT: yellow yj guys fucks his shit up

I got a 4.0 TJ recently, saving up for a lift. Thinking about this one

https://teraflex.com/shop_items/528ffa7fead962f416e72d3d

I wanna learn to wheel, but I don't have many trails around here, and most of the ones in town are just mud.

>>17431057
seems a bit much for just getting into wheeling
what made you pick this one?

>>17431137
Teraflex is a super good brand, I want to keep the Jeep forever, and I figured it was trustable. I've ridden along with others when wheeling, and it's definately something I want to do for a long time.

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>>17431057
That's a really nice kit. You should look up to see if there are any wheeling groups in your area, and go to some met ups, luckly for me being in california I can just pull up youtube and find just about any trail review in my area but I don't know your situation.

Anyways, that is a REALLY high quality lift, but you wont be going anywhere without a locker. I'd recomend a cheaper lift, and getting a locker. I don't have a whole lot of articulation/flex but my little aussie lunchbox locker in my rear will bring me just about anywhere.

>>17431186
What lift would you recommend then? I'd like at least 3 inches. I've been avoiding RC and Skyjacker, and figured Teraflex would be #1 Also, I was thinking about getting a front locker, but figured I'd do that after my lift wheels and tires.

>>17431194
Not the guy you've been talking to, but I'd recommend making sure you have a rear LSD (not locker, and definitely not welded spiders, unless it's a dedicated trail rig that gets trailered everywhere) before investing in a lift. Then you can go for a lift, and that teraflex kit you posted is a good one. Then put in a front locker.

>>17431005
Why were you trying to remove a leaf anyway?

>>17431263
too many canadians desu senpai

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>>17431194
I don't personaly own a tj, but like >>17431231
said, pick up a rear LSD and a front selectable locker (air or electric) then move onto a lift. articulation is nice and all, it will keep your wheels planted and give you more traction, but a locker will do miracles for traction. Tires are a must as well, and considering your description of local trail, tires will become slicked and loose traction easily.

>>17423001
I've seen your LTD before

you fixing that thing or selling it?

>>17419500
3" body spacer kit will run you like $80 then you can get the wider tires

>>17430701
no you goddamn faggot because that is an actual shitheap
do people actual attempt to wheel garbage like this?

kys

>>17407338
>fat pig-disgusting soccer mom/nigger tier looks
>heavy (fewer mods)
>low towing capacity
>long ass departure angle
>almost non existent aftermarket

Priced out a set of 2" lift shackles at $60 shipped last year for my 93 Navara

found a CJ in the junkyard with lift shackles and pulled them for $10.

unsure of lift, they look 3-4" longer than stock

now I just adjust the torsion bars to match right?

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SOMONE MAKE NEW THREAD THIS IS UTTERLY TRIGGERING

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>>17432188
no

>>17432207
that's a little weird

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>>17432852

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https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/6177526035.html
Lowest he will go is 3300 is it work /o/I'm looking for a daily/ weekend fiend

>>17433023
Look EVERYWHERE for rust. Go up and down that frame with a fucking hammer if you have to. After that make sure the timing chain tensioner guides have been replaced (if you hear the engine chattering either walk away or prepare for a timing chain job) And make sure he let's you test drive it. Make sure the tranny shifts smooth. W56s don't take kindly to being abused.

Beyond that IDK. if you want it go for it. Not trying to dissuade you.

>>17431842
>he's never thrashed a cheap 4x4 innawoods
>>17433023
bretty good price desu

>>17433145
>>17433278
Thx sounds good guys im probably going to go forward with it if it all checks out

>>17432110
>heavy (fewer mods)
>low towing capacity
>almost non existent aftermarket

What did he mean by this?

>>17419500
Z71s aren't any taller, they've got skid plates and Bilstein shocks.

>>17433295
>>17433023
Even if it has some fender rot (frame rot is a different story but not really common), those things go for $5k around here minimum. If you have a clean here for $3.3k, you can drive it to Colorado and immediately make your money back.
I'm surprised the guy didn't hit it with mods or the 1st gen tax

>>17433331
Yeah they go for about 5k here in California too but the guy hasn't used it for fun mostly for his daily so he's taken good care of it I'm really trying to jump on this

>>17419500

Tighten the front torsion bars and put a 1" block on the rear springs. Then you'll be able to fit 33" with just a little bit of rubbing at lock.

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>>17407338
Looks to be in good shape cosmetically. Go for it.

>>17433331
>frame rot not common
Delusional fanboy detected.

>>17433346
>they go for about 5k here in California too
No they don't. Some people ask that, but it's not the going rate. I just checked the same CL that one was listed on and found several in the $2000-3000 range, some of which were in better shape than the one you posted.

But let's review what we know about the one your posted.
>confirmed rust around passenger tail light
>body damage on driver side
>rattle canned trim, and likely wheels as well
>salvage title

Buy the White 88. He's asking $2700 obviously waiting on someone to offer $2500. It's got fewer miles, a clean title, and is in better overall shape.

Miles not a big deal? Then buy the lifted red 92 with 258k on it $2500 obo.

Don't like red? Buy the black 94 for $1000 and drop a junkyard LS into it for $500.

Buy the 91 with 165k and a clean title for $2500.

Buy the 90 with a 4" lift and fiberglass fenders for $2000 obo. Again, clean title.

Dead set on spending $3500? Instead of looking at getting the least, look to get the most.

Buy the fully loaded 99 with 148k miles and a clean title.

Buy the clean 95 with 142k miles and a clean title.

Why are you lying about the prices? What do you gain?

>>17433023
>muh 22re
Reliable, yes. But 114 hp and has to wind up to 3600 rpm to make peak torque of 140 ft-lbs. That's about half of what you'd want for the minimum in a vehicle of that size.

There's options out there just as reliable that make the desired power.

>>17433442
That white 88 is a v6 and automatic, really don't want the v6 to die at 200k and really don't want automatic, my post has a new transmission guy has paperwork for, looking for a first gen pickup or first gen 4runner, probably both my dream cars rn, looking for 4cyl 5 speed, most the cheaper 1st Gen yotas have v6

>>17433463
Mainly looking for reliability and not looking for any extreme rock crawling or anything kind of just trailing maybe a little mudding and mainly camping when I'm not daily, any other recommendations?

>>17433442
Btw he also put in new leaf springs so that it prevents the 4runner sag

>>17433471
The 22re is more reliable than the V6, but the V6 isn't THAT bad and the 22re isn't THAT good.

You can't assume the V6 is going to die at 200k and then buy a 22re at OVER 200k and expect to never have any issues.

Go buy literally anything with a TBI 350 if you want reliability.

>don't want automatic, my post has a new transmission guy has paperwork for,
The guy doesn't use it as a toy, has the "more reliable" manual, and had transmission issues so severe before 200k that he needed a completely new transmission?

Do you know how this sounds?

You're hyping yourself up over something entirely unimpressive. What are driving now that makes you think 114 HP in a 3800 lb SUV is your dream vehicle? Go buy a 1:18 model if you like the way it looks, but it would make a horrible daily driver.

>>17433483
>better spend $1000 extra to make sure I don't have to spend $100 and hour with a floor jack to replace the rear springs
>muh investment

Don't be that guy.

>>17433505
22re/22r 4cyl are known to run about 400k miles, he had the transmission switched out when he rebuilt the motor and the transmissions from those yotas weren't very strong so if the guy who had it before him beat it up it could be that, I drove a 1996 1500 Chevy pickup before, I mean what would you recommend I'm not looking for a 90's yota period or anything 90's really I'm not trying to race anybody or climb boulders

>>17433506
>$1000 extra
Who the fuck is this guy

>>17433518
>22re/22r 4cyl are known to run about 400k miles
So are 6.5 diesels which are generally regarded as being unreliable even though they last that long being worked much, much harder.
And so are GM small blocks, GM big blocks, and most any pre 2010s diesels except for Ford 6.0s. "reliability" is a relative term.

Why does a motor that should run to 400k already need a rebuild in half that?
Rebuilding a tired engine isn't a reason to replace a transmission if it's fine. If he elected to replace the trans and rebuild the engine, it's a safe bet the trans what dead or close to it and the engine was already getting tired.

If you want to throw a rebuild into the mix you could name off a half dozen light truck engines that should easily make it to 600k with the usage you're talking about. The limiting factor for most is the abuse they're put up to and a lack of maintenance. It's not like a previous owner was using that 4Runner to lug around 20,000 lbs at 70 mph with no maintenance.

I'm not trying to talk you into buying any one specific thing, I'm just telling you that the 22re is not worthy of the praise it's receiving and perhaps you've failed to place what you've heard about it into perspective.

Does anyone know if the backseat in a 2door blazer/tahoe/yukon(1992-1999) is replaceable with the 3rd row seat from a suburban? Or are they not the same?

>>17433575
yes

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Advice needed.
When I put my vehicle in drive sometimes it takes a good three seconds to engage, but if I shift into neutral then put into drive it shifts right away. Any ideas?

Just got a new tranny installed about two months ago. It's been doing this since tranny replacement.

>>17434286
Hopefully its just a sensor or switch.

>>17434293
That's what I was thinking/hoping.

>>17433304
Apparently he thinks that 'Burbs are less capable and less supported by the aftermarket than the trucks they share a platform with. While he does have a point in that they're heavier, it's not by much.

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New CB came in over the weekend! It's gonna be difficult to fit this in the spot my old one was in the center console :-\
I may have to rig up a new overhead console.

>>17431536
Fixing it up is the plan. It needs a lot of TLC but I'm getting there. I also learned the lesson the hard way on how hard it can be having two projects simultaneously (Murph and the LTD).

>>17423190
This is still kinda offroading
>Kinda

>>17424566
>>17424721
>>17424753
>>17425200
Congrats on the new XJ anon! Sounds like you're up in Finland? How is the off roading scene up there? It's not locked down tight like Norway is, right?

>>17425756
>Nokian Hakkapelitittas
GOD those tires are the best in the snow. I got a used set for my DD and even though they were 2 years old at the time, nothing could stop those tires. One year a blizzard dropped 3 feet of snow overnight and I still made it to work just fine.

>>17431005
Are your brake lines ok at least?

>>17434803
While Burbs are a bit heavier, the extra weight is in the back so the weight balance is largely improved. Buddies with pickup trucks have to use 4x4 much more than I do simply because there's no weight over the drive wheels.

...but then again I run the risk of burying myself in the mud/sand, where my old YJ would mostly skirt about on top.

Moral of the story?
>There is no perfect off roader
>There is no wrong way to offroad

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>>17434964
>Congrats on the new XJ anon! Sounds like you're up in Finland? How is the off roading scene up there? It's not locked down tight like Norway is, right?
Thanks, just ordered the new rear leafs today, so much cheaper to order from germany compared to getting from here. First I just had to figure out whether I have Chrysler 8.25 or Dana 35 for the U-bolts, I think it was Dana, well see in a week.
Im not that familiar with the local offroad culture. They do have some tracks for rock climbing and such i think. We do have Freedom To Roam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam
But i dont know how that goes with cars. I guess its okay as long as you dont cause any damage to property or lands, atleast around here you can just go around wherever the hell you want as long as you´re not an asshole.
I mean, atleast i havent gotten into any trouble going around on forest trails and such.

>>17435197
You really ought to plan on gutting that Dana 35 though, it's just too weak.