poorfag general

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>2017
>Not owning a Fiat panda

>>17359474
Advise a shitbox for someone from Quebec looking for his 1st car

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$1,000
i miss this super shitbox. i wanted to change the engine to the 1600 twincam.

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>>17359539
Oh shit I've actually recently bought a Starlet with the 2E engine, except it's fuel injected. Anything I should know?

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just bought this machine

>>17359560
its slow.

If you want to go faster;
The engine mounts are a straight swap to any 4A series engine. You can get a Silvertop or Blacktop engine and swap it in (the silvertop is a bit cheaper) good way to make power.

All that said, the 2E is a reliable as fuck engine, the valve stem seals will go later in life, you'll see it burning a little oil as it ages but it wont stop it from running like a champ

>>17359572
I have E90 Corolla with 2E, except its Carburated.
Its over 300k miles now, and its served me good, but as it is it has low compression on cylinder 4 and it runs like a horse with three legs. Can't top 40 mph. Probably not worth rebuilding.
My question is, can I also swap any 4A series engine in straight without fucking with the mounts?
4EFTE is apparently a sure shot since its an E series engine, but I can't find any of those unless for ridiculous price.
But I found a bluetop for 700$ with a partial wiring harness and all auxillary components.
Also, will I need to machine the bellhousing for it to fit and find a stronger adapter plate?

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>>17359474
Does combining two rekt volvo 940's that costed €700 and €500 into a working one count?
Mine is exact same color and model as pic, just with a shitton of scratches from the previous owner.
Engine came out of the other one that was rear-ended by a truck. Original engine of mine was blown by shitty driving

>>17359560
that car looks kinda cute from that angle

>>17359757
>blown by shitty driving

...how

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>no monies for the license
>no monies for a car/maintenance/upkeep
>having a car is luxury because public transportation is sufficient

kinda jelly to see your shitboxes.
please enjoy and cherish your shitbox, some anons don't have the chance to do so

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Shitbox ranger reporting in

>>17359785
oi m8.

how are the spoiders?

>>17359772
Elderly pair dragged a gypse caravan through the Pyrenees every year. Water pump burst uphill but they kept driving, there was a quite a tear in the block.
Turbo was also already fucked before that, they ignored it too, a broken blade just stuck through the housing

>>17359774
I do, Anon.

You'll make it one day, and it'll be glorious.

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>>17359794
Thank you. Trying my best and still have hope.

just acquired a new shitbox
'91 R21 TD hatchback
gonna go round yurop with it this summer, it's gonna be nice

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>>17359539
>>17359560
E bros!

Pic related, my $500 Tercel.

>>17359572 is right, they blow out the valve stem seals and tend to collapse the oil rings on the pistons. This is the result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoCRXKXiMNo

Old girl had ~220,000 miles when I recorded this, and she burned a valve at 240,000 due to all the burning oil.

Cheap to fix though; Toyota got the block alloy right and you should be able to get away with a glaze-breaking hone and a re-ring. There was hardly any cylinder wear when I was in there.

Slapped on a $200 reman head, a $150 rebuild kit and a $80 clutch, she'll last a while longer lol.

dallas.craigslist.org/dal/cto/6169988116.html

Should I cop, /pfg/?

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>>17359801
We're all gonna make it my friend.

>>17359837
Doesn't list mileage, also why would it need an entire brake assembly

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Hi all.

>Mine's the white one

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>>17359791
Spiders is fine, I have many other issues. This plug was loose but still fired without an issue.

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How are you all so poor? I just signed the importation papers on this beauty (pic related) and I am 18. I just worked my ass off for 3 years saving up.

>>17359928
Well not to speak for the others but I have a shit factory job getting 13.81 an hour and I work 40-48 hour weeks, however I also rent an apartment and pay insurance and cell phones as well as food for both my wife and I, she is working part time and trying to find a better job, so we do what we must with what we can. Once our debt is paid off we are trying for a house.

>>17359928
living is expensive, nothing's free and I know I can't get that much money aside because I kinda rely on random expenses to not fall into a spiraling depression.
Plus, there's a lot of interesting or good cars for less than 1k.

So what mods should actually be declared on shitboxes? I know you're meant to declare all of them, but which ones can you generally get away with?

>>17359928
Others as they said, they have actual shit to pay.
I'm 20 and still studying, never worked a day in my life. Also,
>>17359757
mine is good enough. Executive car with a 190hp engine running on lpg. Leather, heated seats, airco. Wouldn't trade it in for a brand new ecoshit

>>17359936
>>17359938
>>17359992
Makes sense. Sorry for sounding like as ass, I was just fishing for (you)s.

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>>17359474

Bought this for like 220$ american

>1998 Lancia Y 1.2 16v
>86 hp
>~900 kg
>A/C
>in leather

drives like an alpha, parts cost like any fiat
i bought it sub 100k so engine is in great condition
like to gulp the gas through if you have a heavy foot

sadly electrics are failing and it's rotting so I'll just use it until it breaks in half

amazing shitbox, would recommend

>>17359948
I'm doing an engine swap, trans swap, and rear end swap, and ain't telling my insurance company shit. Mostly cause I already asked him and since all I carry is liability it's not a problem.

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do you consider milage when looking for cheap cars? i kinda want a ford probe gt but i heard they are drink a lot of fuel.

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>>17359891
You can have comfort that you own the AE86's retarded FWD cousin. In all seriousness, AE82's are pretty cool underrated cars.

>>17359948
>declaring anything
>>17360023
dont worry, you didnt come out as that.
I can understand people not wanting to buy cheap as shit cars but not only I can't bring myself to own anything post '95 but I also dont really mind having to do mechanics at all.
I like shitboxes because they represent me well.
>>17360389
desu small, quick 80s/90s fwd hatchbacks are their own kind of comfy.

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>>17359992
>20
>Never worked a day in your life

How the fuck do you pay general expenses?

>>17360396
Get €300 a month from commie government for going to college the first year. Got €500 a month extra last year from internship company.
Student loans have a rate of 0.01% last year, this year exactly 0.0%, so they evaporate while looking at them since they keep inflation 2-3%.

>>17360438
Danish?

>>17360619
Nope, dutch
3rd year, total debt is around €5k. I lent more than normal once to buy my car
>>17359757
Went by public transport the first half year, but it's so shitty that it takes 1.5 hours, while bicycle takes 1h and car 20-30 mins.
My "internship" was nothing more than writing a paper for a company on why they shoud(n't) use some new technique, so I don't really count it as working.

>>17360675
Ah okay, because its exactly the same situation in Denmark, except that the rate is 4% while you are studying, but is 0 procent afterwards currently.
Which doesnt make a lot of sense because students have no money.

>>17360690
Dutch government is still more retarded.
>"since you can fix interest rates on mortgages, you should also be able to fix the interest rate on student loans"
>fixed my loan on 0%, never pay interest again

>>17360709
Dont you have to have it payed off before a certain point.

>>17359572
Wasn't the 20 valve 4AGE Japan only? Where the hell would I look for one if I'm in Europe?

>>17360769
http://www.ebay.com/itm/192208898095
Ebay? The engine doesnt have to be in Europe.

>>17360717
They determine a percentage that you have to pay based on your income above minimum wage. If after 15 years you haven't paid it off yet because your income was too low, they cancel the rest of your debt.
Still, the total amount I lent is so low that once I start working, I can pay it off in a couple of years.
Though you can frame the system by following some BS social study, work at mcdonalds for 15 years and never pay anything because you never earned more than minimum.

One guy in my class has a job, they wanted him to get a higher education level. He has a company leased car, but it's an audi a1 with some shitty 1.0 eco engine. Looks tiny next my volvo.

>>17360793
Oh man just imagine the price of the shipping.

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I'm a poor fag and let me tell you guys if you have a girlfriend don't do anything for her when it comes to cars especially financing a new one I've learned my lesson the hard way

>>17360889
Never finance anything for anyone

>>17360889
give the whole story come on man that's why i come to 4chan

How much is the cheapest I could get an engine for to learn a bit more about them by dismantling then assembling it in the UK?

>>17361504
I've seen Renault D4FT (1.2l turbo) blocks for as low as 150 eurobucks online. I'd imagine the regular D4F (found in shit like Clios, Moduses and 2nd gen Twingos) or D7F (8v version of the D4F) would be even cheaper.

>>17361519
I've seen engines for 40-70 pounds, though I'm not sure if they're good for what I'm trying to do.
https://www.gumtree.com/p/car-replacement-parts/ford-fiesta-engine/1247324603
for example.

>>17361560
Honestly pretty much any small ecobox engine will do. They're not too unwieldy because they're physically small and light, and they're usually pretty simple designs.
Plus you could buy a shitbox with a busted engine for peanuts and put the your own rebuilt engine in there.

>>17361165
I'll give it to you short
>spend months looking for an ok shitbox on Craig's list because the one I had at the time was a 1993 corolla as a dd that had a bunch of issues that it wasn't worth fixing at all because if I did it myself it would have costed more than the car is worth
>none of them I had interest in and most of the cars I saw on Craig's list were beat to shit and had major issues like for example "has rod knock but still drives" bull shit like that
>sell my dd for 400 shekels
>I end up using my aw11 as a dd for a while until I saved up more money
>look up on Craig's list same shitty cars that will most likely die on me as soon as I drive it
>few days later my memeR2 gets stolen and dah pohpoh finds it in one piece but life decided to give me a catch
>I got it back with scratches, a dent, stereo was gone and a blown head gasket
>I was in a bad spot and idk if girlfriend took advantage of it or something but suggested to go to look for a cpo car at a stealership
>go see no manual transmission cars
>I give up so say to myself it's going to be a dd so who cares if it's not manual
>gf starts to be pushy about buying a corolla and at the end saying "but idc if you don't get it"
>the shit I was going through I felt so anemic so my mind just went "fuck it mode"
Now I'm stuck with a boring car pay 460 a month but at least I'll finally start making credit and a came with warrantys and free 2 year service bull shit

>>17361560
Also, its a little unclear which zetec engine is in the ad. Which one is it?

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Got it for $800
Spent $300 to fix a manifold leak and pass smog
$80 to install a fuel filter I couldn't get to
$60 to fix a broken window
$200 on plates
$100 on misc parts
Runs bretty gud now
Now all I need to do is find this piece of shit bracket for the alternator.

87 GMC S15 81k miles

>>17359792
God gyps are fucking retarded

>>17359928
Does mommy not charge rent?

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>>17359474
Plot twist: I'm white

>>17361980
They weren't gypsies, if they were I would never have bought it. It would have been impossible to get the stench out.
It were "just" upper-class elderly people who had a gypse-like caravan. Some 90's double-axis Burstner, probably the largest they made at that time.

>Bought a 243k mile 1993 Honda Accord LX
>already spent almost $200 on it
>got more money to spend on it
I plan on turboing it until it dies, then swapping in an H22.

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>bought an old focus hatch for $1500
>looked bretty gud except for rotten rocker panels
>took them off to replace and found fucked unibody underneath
>need a lot of welding to get it to pass inspection
>driving around illegally for a few months while I slowly repair this shit
>now oil on two spark plugs
>sell some shit and get cash to look at new-to-me shitbox and be sure to inspect it more thoroughly this time

>went to look at an old Focus ST with way less miles than mine
>outside was fine but undercarriage was 100% rust, way more widespread than mine but less severe in my specific problem spots
>noped the fuck out of there
>now feel much better about the condition of mine

What's it cost to get a 2.0 duratec to stop burning oil? It can't be that hard to change a head gasket or valve seals or whatever on an I4 right?

>>17359928
>wasted all that money on inporting a B4 Liberty
>didn't even get the wagon

what kind of pleb are you?

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89 volvo 244
nothing special, but my first car restoration. Paid 800 for it because low miles
So i thought. Turns out the odometer was busted so god know how many miles are actually on it. I've replaced nearly everything.
Struts all around
New tie rods inner/outer
new radiator
new timing belt/water pump
new air box/New MAF
New ECU
New plugs/cables
New radiator hoses
Alternator rebuild
New belts
New electric fan that adds 20 hp yippie
New tail lights, belt trim and a bunch of small shit.

The heater core pisses coolant and my fan motor is shot, so ill need to rip that interior apart to do that. And I have rust in the rocker and rear wheel well/fender that'll need attention.

But I do love this car. It always starts and I can always fix it with in a weekend

>>17359928
>previous gen B4
hahahahahah, hope you bought 4 extra turbos for it too.

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>>17361608
>listening to women
she said you didn't have to you autistic fuck
>blurrg my anemia
take snacks and eat some fucking spinach

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>>17359928
Lets all laugh at the anon who thought we would be impressed.

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My faithful companion. My parents got it for $7000 brand new in 2002, gave it to me for free. Had to replace a few front end components recently due to a crash, but it didn't cost more than a couple hundred with junkyard parts and some wrenching. Would've been totaled otherwise, and I can't afford a new car, not even another well used shitbox.

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>>17364154
This is what it looked like after the crash. Turned out pretty well, I'd say, all things considered

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$350 bid at auction and $515 after auction fees

>>17364154
>>17364163
>california dwelling spic
>can't afford a half decent car
>crashes his shitbox into someone
your shit state should just sink into the ocean.

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>>17359474
Paid the equivalent of 1000USD. It goes real nice and the 4 litre inline 6 is a lot better than my old civic

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>>17359928
I too worked my ass off to get the car I have now (pic related). Since moving out is no longer a realistic possibility where I live, and I need to stay in this area, I've been lucky to live rent free at home. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have had the money for my clean would-be shitbox.

>>17363533
Hello fellow Volvofag. Have you ever had problems with your heater fan? Or ventilation fan, or whatever it is that makes air go through the ducts into the interior. Mine squeaks really badly whenever I turn it on, I'm starting to get worried I'm gonna have to tear out the dash to replace it.

>>17359891
Noice

Between your Seca and the FX-GT, I really miss my old FX16

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>>17364168
>spic
I'm white as fuck
>>can't afford a half decent car
Yeah no shit Sherlock, why do you think I'm in this thread? plus it was free and runs just as well as any other car in its condition if not better.
>>crashes his shitbox into someone
Not my finest moment sure, but the dumb bitch slammed the brakes in bumper to bumper traffic. I take responsibility for not paying attention.
>your shit state should just sink into the ocean
It already kinda is, but thanks anyway.

Now why don't you take your negative ass out of this thread

>>17359928
>How are you all so poor?
Working a mediocre techie job earning about $70k dollary doos. Sounds a lot to Americans, but in Australia it's not much.

Planning on going back to university at some point and driving my career forward a little, but I have to make an effort to get out the rut, which is kinda difficult when you don't have any parents or relatives to rely on, I'm 100% on my own. Facing the prospect that I might be earning less than half what I am now while studying is scary.

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>>17360389
>>17364277
Thanks gents, it's a proper shitbox but I really do love it. Has plenty of pep given that it's about 950kg.

I know that eventually I'm going to have to move on and get something newer to daily, this thing is starting to get a bit rusty and things are starting to break. I have a feeling that I'm going to miss it a lot though.

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Corsa dickhead signing in

>>17364263
Squeaky fans is pretty common for volvos, my 940 had it too. The motors in them are just worn, but even then they keep working for a long time. Replaced them only because the sound annoyed me, but the dash is pretty easy to take off plus nothing breaks usually unless you use a hammer
(in contrast to volkswagen, damn rusty screws and dried plastic for license plate lightning)

>>17364331
srsly there are nearly no second hand corollas (except that bug eye thingy) in germany. everybody just buys golfs i think.

>tfw wanting a shitbox corolla.

>>17361608
>$460 a month for a Corolla
I'm so sorry Anon

>>17359474
>Would you buy a cheap shitbox although you know spare parts are hard to come by?
I buy used cars that parts are easy to come by, and cheap compared to newer cars. Currently drive 2003 F150. Parts are very easy to find for that truck.

>>17359676

I'm pretty sure 4E and 4A aren't straight swaps, so I'd say 2E to 4A isn't either.

>t.Had a E100 4E Corolla

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>>17364958
Bugeye a cute though

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Hello /pfg/

I'm Mexican (as living in Mexico) looking for a shitbox, local market is filled Chevy Metro, Dodge Neon, VW Gol MK 2-3 and Chevy Cavalier in my price range. Main would be commuting in city conditions.

-Any thoughts on them?
-I would like to learn to wrench on it. Is any of them easy to service?
-Automatic transmission have a bad reputation on reliablity and mpg with neon, cavalier. Is that true?

Have a 1993 Bug that you can buy with 25,000 tacos (~1,400 USD)

>>17366083
>Mexican
Kek I am too but I not from Mexico and to answer your question I would get the chevy metro
>parts are piss cheap
>good mpg's
>easy as fuck to work on

>>17364263
>>17364499
>squeaky fans
this is because there was no filter or fine screen for the blower before V70s
you can buy them aftermarket
>got a junkyard one for my 850
>vehicle doesn't fill with dust on long trips anymore
>squeaking goes away
I sprayed teflon lube into mine while it was running for the squeak, your results may vary

>>17366083
neons have three speed autotragics that are archaic, but they are generally solid
the engine is much more likely to explode
and they will never be fast
cavaliers are shit in general

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>>17359539
>>17359560
>>17359572
>>17359676
I once wanted to engine swap my 1.3L Toyota Starlet. But then I realised, it's fucking stupid. Even simple modding is a far-fetched thing to do as all these Starlet's and Corolla's are just one thing: workhorses. And trust me, they were used as such.

I love my Starlet, but I had no trouble buying another car recently as my Starlet was sold to me for just 800 euros in the first place, and naturally (for this price) it had a lot of neglect that would fuck me in the ass later. It had no dents and was in good condition and that's what I was going for. But now 2 shocks are busted and both my exhaust and radiator are leaking. Because of this leak I ran the engine too hot (these shitboxes don't have too many warning lights) and I fucked my headgasket, which I was luckily able to replace myself for cheap with the help of a good friend.

If you want a fast but reliable Toyota, buy an actual 1.6L car and spend a little more money to buy a good one. Swapping an engine isn't something you just do. You have to do it yourself because it's expensive otherwise. You have to buy an engine which is hopefully not fucked. You might think having the engine mounts in the right place saves you a big headache and that's true, but having to fuck with the wiring and other shit is just a pain in the ass. By all means, do mod your car. But keep it simple with some suspension mods like springs, shocks, strut bars, bushings and sway bars. Your Starlet likely doesn't have power-steering and that only adds to the fun.

I mean, if you had all the time, space, knowledge and money to do an engine swap, you wouldn't be driving a Starlet or a Corolla in the first place, rrright?

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Not mine but I drive one of these. I got mine for about 700 and I just have to buy new wheels every once in awhile from the junkyard because black people keep stealing them

>>17366210
If I had the time, space, knowledge and money to do an engine swap, I'd be driving a Twingo with a turbo.

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>almost had a spotless NA miats with low miles for 3 grand
>seller co-owned it with a womyn
>she pulled out of the sale and told him to get a higher price

>tfw you give your shitbox a nice cleaning on the inside then take her for a drive
Feels good boys

>>17366210
Yeah this anon is wise, it'd be cheaper and you get all of the FX bits (spoiler, premium bumpers ect)

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>>17365109

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>>17361996
Sure you are jamal.

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How hot does I4 exhaust get? I just patched my muffler with HVAC tape so my fart exhaust doesn't attract cops, it says it's good up to 300F and I put 3 layers on for tensile strength against the air pressure. Will this catch on fire and leave flaming pieces of aluminum in my wake?

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who /diesel/ here

>great gas milage
>cheaper than petrol
>easier to drive manuals

>>17367826
>how hot is exhaust?
hotter than 300deg. F
pipe clamps and a soup can are your best bet but even this won't hold, get to a shop and get a new muffler
poorfag tip: buy muffler u want from the rock or hamzone or /o/bay then take to a shop to do welding

>>17367866
I'm trying to find a new DD and don't really want to put more money into this thing. If I'm gonna bother getting a new muffler I'd just sawzall this one out and install the new one with clamps instead of paying a shop.

>>17359831
i had a question at work, what chassis code is the Tercel? it seems to be an America only name (never heard of it in europe or australia) is it still an E?

>>17368204
The Paseo shares the same platform as the Tercel, possibly the Starlet as well.

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>>17359474
Mind if I join?

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>>17359928
>"how are you all so poor?"
>takes 3 whole years of saving up and working away to afford /that/
>while likely still living with parents
shiggy

Anyways, I just like shitboxes since they're cheap and you don't have to worry about them. DeMuro out of all people actually summed it up decently with the Kia Spectra, though that one's even kinda rough by shitbox standards.
If something breaks, fuck it, get the duct tape.
Someone dings the side in a parking lot? eh, who cares
Drive it a little rough, it'll be fine, and if it breaks, eh, it was cheap, if it didn't break immediately, it already paid for itself.
You don't need to spend a lot to have fun with a car.

>>17368204
>>17368283
The Paseo and Tercel are L platform, while Starlets are P platform.

A 4th-gen Tercel was EL42 while the first-gen Paseo was EL44.

>>17368449
neat, i have never heard of either, but i did google the Paeso, and the picture of it on wikipedia is from my country, sold as a Cynos here.

Never seen an L chassis in the shop though. They look somewhat similar to the Mazda Lantis.

>>17367909
>not cutting the rusty muffler off and clamping a glasspack to it
>https://www.amazon.com/Cherry-Bomb-87522-Glasspack-Muffler/dp/B003E5P7EW
it's like you're not even trying to hoon

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Question for y'all

Is a used Mercedes 300TD a good poorfag car?

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Just out of curiosity, how does everybody feel about their daily? I've been trying to find a comfy daily that isn't severely lacking in amenities but it's really hard to find that on the cheap. What do you look for in a daily? What is your current daily? Do you like it, do you hate it, why?
Pic related, my daily.

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>>17368837
How do you feel about vacuum lines?

Also you will be the slowest moving vehicle on any road you happen to occupy, no exceptions.

>>17368843
>What do you look for in a daily?
Reliability, comfort and relatively cheap
>What is your current daily?
Mazda 323/Protege5
>Do you like it, do you hate it, why?
It's nice, not the fastest thing on the road but it's fine. Has everything I'm looking for in a car right now and is reliable so yeah, is gud.

If you don't live in the rust belt, get yourself a Mazda 3 or Protege/Protege5.

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Paid only $1500
bought new bumpers, bonnet, front wings, BOV.

Fixed some rust in the rear.

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does anyone know if the 4 cylinder mx6s are any good?

>>17359539
how the hell did you get rid of all of the emissions systems?
brotha tell me how

Guys I have a question, next years I'm probably gonna be getting rid of my Opel Astra GT but I don't want to purchase a new car if it's gonna be standing outside all year, being driven only once a week.
I'm looking for some models that should be relatively safe as used cars, but I don't want it to look like a Renault Twingo ( even though I respect it ), what would you suggest ?

>>17369201
They're probably not bad, but the V6 is so much better, it's not even funny.

>>17369073
If vacuum lines become a problem, is it just a simple remove and replace, or is there more to it?

Otherwise my current daily is already underpowered as hell. As long as I could find a manual 6cyl I think I'd be happy. Any config would probably be better than my shitty old hatchback.

>>17369945
Vacuum lines are dead simple to replace or patch, in theory. In practice, they snake all over the engine bay and under the dash, a leak ANYWHERE will cause the whole thing to losee vacuum, and they're brittle when they're old or it's cold oit so you can accidentally break them when you're doing other work.

To diagnose leaks, at least you can isolate sections of the system at the vacuum hub and narrow down your problem area.

>>17369953
Doesn't sound that hard. How are parts prices? Are there junkyard parts easily available?

>>17369970
Vacuum line can be purchased by the foot at advance or vatozone or wherever. Couplers are dirt cheap. It's all plastic stuff. You don't even need tools except maybe snips to cut it to length, they're friction fit. Parts that run off vacuum can be had from rock auto if they're truly broken.

>>17366117
>>17366139

Thanks vatos, I'll probably go with a Metro unless i see a good deal with the Neon

>>17366257
but a turbo is literally a simple mods meme, they sell bolt-ons for every brand under the sun

And you can literally just drop in the renault 5 gt motor into a twingo or something because it has the same block and comes with a turbo already

>>17370031
Even better, the later 16V engine from the Twingo has a turbo variant that's commonly found in pretty much every somewhat modern Renault. Should be a straight bolt-in affair.

Amerifag here, looking to purchase my first car soon. Budget is 3000. I've always been jealous of Europeans because I feel like they have a much wider selection of cool-looking cheap 80's-90's shitboxes that still run.

Anyway, can anyone recommend such a car that fits these interests that's sold in the US? Some cars I've been looking into include the 96 Corolla, Volvo 240, and first gen forester.

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I'm so embarrassed about my car. don't get me wrong, it's been a fantastic daily and has never let me down mechanically. the 1.6/5spd combo even makes it reasonably fun to hoon around in. it consistently gets 30mpg and shit the fucking ac still works and everything. but it's just so "shitboxy". my door sills and spare tire well are completely rusted out and the front end is totally fucked from a fender bender I had recently. it's impossible to keep clean because I frame houses 50 hours a week and random jobsite dust finds its way inside and out. worst of all, because it's so ugly it makes me look like poor white trash, even though I'm really not. none of my friends want to ride with me. I get weird looks in traffic. I rode out to the local car meet, not to display it but just to check out the other cars, and I saw at least three different people walk past my baby and laugh at it. I love this car, it's been great to me in the 6 months I've owned it and I have no complaints in regards to it being a mode of transportation. I just wish I had something nice that I could show off and be proud of, that others will appreciate and not make me look like a dirty mexican.

:'-(

>>17370550
Brother get it cleaned up then. Fix the side mirror so irs not held on by ducktape, get a fuqin paint job so it doesn't look like ass too

>>17370550
Then fix the front end and get a $3 car wash once a week? Go junkyard picking for a bumper and grille, new mirror, plastic wheel covers. Rustoleum white would match your current parts well enough if the junkyard stuff is a different color.
>it's so ugly it makes me look like poor white trash, even though I'm really not.
Then what are you doing ITT?

>>17365109
I want one, I don't think they were made in America though

>>17370550
just fix it. i guess itwould still be cheaper than a new car

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Another volvofag here, got this one for free for my first car.

I've just graduated from shitbox life a week a go when I got my MX-5, but I used to have an '08 Corsa with a 1L 3 cylinder engine in manual

I'm going to miss my corsa in all honesty. It fits all my stuff whereas I know full well my MX-5 won't, the interior was comfy and the radio could get signal buried underneath 4 feet of dirt

I used to redline the engine all the time when I was about 2 miles from home on this small stretch of a-road, which was pretty pathetic in all honesty but I had fun

>>17362023
>swapping in pigu fat h series

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2 weeks later and still havent gotten new alternator so i just charge the battery every day.

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>>17366083
does this interest u
just buy 1.3 or gti version
rust wont be so bad because mexico has better weather

>>17365109
ughhhhhh I had one but idle rev was so bad i had to keep my foot on throttle so it didn't die, and couldn't fix it due to lack of parts, sold it for pennies. I miss u bugeye

>>17370716
Which Volvo is that? It's hella cute

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tfw the new inspection sticker color is light grey, so any square piece of paper in your windshield looks like a valid inspection at a glance and I won't be pulled over for not having blue

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>A/C not working because rusted lines
>rear half of interior gutted because hatch leaked
>what remains of the interior rattles and creaks because Chrysler
>loses coolant if I drive >70mph
>burns a quart of oil per 1500 miles
>second gear has left this plane of existence
>0-60 at present is 18.1 seconds
>turning radius of a medium-sized battleship
>rusted out anti-roll bar so bodyroll like a motherfucker

On the plus side, the brakes are great, it can fit tons of shit inside, and it's not that bad on gas.

Rear passenger fender is beginning to rust away, and most of the undercarriage is getting close. Gotta love New England.

With all of that, I love this car more than any car I've had before. It truly has a personality, and it starts up every time I turn the key.

>>17364164
What is this i love it

>>17369177
holy fucking jesus its beautiful

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Just got my focus zx3 past the quarter million mark. Bought it for $300 and have probably put $2500 into it over the years.

/o/tist ceritfied shitbox for fun and fuel milage. Just watch out for rust like this fellow has >>17362594

>>17373343
Toyota Cressida?

>>17359526
saw so many of these around Lake Como. was surprised, these things are old. A lot of them 4x4s.

>>17370759
Suzuki of some sort?

Looks like mine in some ways.

>>17361650
doesn't matter that much, they are all pretty much the same.

>>17359831
I miss the Tercel. Goddamn what a great shitbox

>>17359928
I could buy that if I wanted, but I don't want. Older cars are more interesting to me.

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What do you guys think of small bodies? I'm thinking of getting one as my shitbox as I'm financially poor.

>>17368837
No it is not. As Kent says "there is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes" God this is true I learned first hand.

>>17368843
>what look for
Comfort, reliability, and the ability to seat at least 5 people if needed. Also easily available parts, or at very least easy to work on.
>current daily
2005 Focus ZX3
>like or hate
Ehhh. Neither really. Cheap to keep running for damn sure, car asks nothing of me, but it's pretty uncomfortable to drive and just cheap feeling in general I'm getting tired of.

>>17374501
YES!
Older cars have a unique appeal while cars look all the same nowadays

>>17374511
cheap feeling all you got man when you are broke.

I don't believe there's an untampered odometer so I don't care. If anything I'm always excited by a 600k Volvo.

>>17374558
Meant for >>17360348

>>17368843
>What do you look for in a daily
Comfortable seats, reliability, a decent sound system, a car that is somewhat fun to drive
>Current Daily
Kia Optima
>Do you like it, do you hate it, why
This car has pleasantly surprised me. It not only fit my criteria for a daily but it also hasn't had a single problem. Kia a cute.

>>17374511
how's the gearbox?
>t. former mk1 Focus driver

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>>17373267
>PT Cruiser
>I love this car more than any car I've had before

>>17374687
Manual so it's fine. Obviously some synchro damage because I slamshift the shit out of it sometimes.

>>17370782
Is that a swift? I could probably find an imported.

Fun fact:
In Mexico before 2000 there were only 6 brands (Chevrolet, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz)

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>>17375205
id go for a justy if you can find one. its the same but its 4x4 for ebin off roading

>>17373267
>>17374850
its very ugly but its starting to grow on you.

>>17375335
I didn't know there was a Justy based on the Cultus/Swift/Metro. Seems we didn't get it in the US though, sad. 4WD Metro would of been neat as hell.

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>>17375384
best would be to convert it to rwd only.
it would make a nice drift car with the rear so light it can be lift up with humans

>>17375426
>best would be to convert it to rwd only.
No can do.
The read drive comes off the transfer cases that first drives the front axles. That is why you can easily disconnect the rear but not the front.

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DACIA DUSTER!

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>>17359474
here is my 190$ (150£) car.

it's a honda logo, a weird shrunken civic that they only sold in the UK for nine months in 2000 and 2001.

it's not too hard to get mechanical parts for but body and trim is very hard as to be expected. i love tiny jap cars but love any normal family cars from the 70s to the late 00s, yeah i know my taste is not great

i like to think it's the updated version of the original 1972 civic, kinda looks similar

>>17359560
OH MAN i'm jizzin, these 89-96 starlets are so hot, i want a base spec with the black bumpers but they are quite expensive, don't come up for sale often and the black bumper versions are quite rare

>>17360769
i know of a ae101 levin with the 20-valve ae for sale here in the uk on a car forum, owner wants 1500£ for it but doesn't want it stripped so you might have to look harder

>>17376169
kewl
i was tempted by a Mazda 323 recently

>when you take your 500€ shitbox that can't pass inspection anymore and do vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_5F0o2GdVI

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>>17376288

oooh what gen? i think they had the biggest variation of appearance in a single model at the same time, check out this madness - 4 different front ends, virtually no shared panels, all sold alongside each other

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>>17361917
>81K miles

pfft try a quarter million then get back

>>17376343
Which 323 is the best 323?

>>17376382
323F for sure, since it was available with the KF engine.

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>>17376362
Hey that's awesome. Gives me hope mine will last me a little bit. Does your transmission get hot at freeway speed/long drives? Like hot enough to feel it with your right leg. Mines a little 4banger for recerence. Also do you know which fuse is the temp gauge?

>>17376393
Disregarding that engine, is it still the best one?

>>17376343

either the BF in sedan or estate type or the lantis-flavour 323C, i like the sedan but that 323C styling is mad shit

i do like most of the pre-number mazdas though, bar rust problems they are good cars and some parts can be robbed off fords of a similar era

i enjoyed the red 86 3 door i had a few years ago, i'll see if i can get a pic

>>17376403
It's on a different platform, shared with the Xedos 6/Eunos 500 instead of the other 323s, so I guess some specific parts might be harder to find?
That V6 though, god damn. The 2.5l KL is a straight swap as well.

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>>17376343
1994
https://www.leboncoin.fr/voitures/1146350909.htm?ca=12_s
I fell in love with pic related, back in the days
an even older one i got as a courtesy vehicle
that shit was awesome
i still miss it to this day

What are some fun shitboxes? Give recommendations, fellow Europeans.
'mericans don't reply.

>>17376396
Nah, I haven't noticed any issues like that with mine, it's the V6 though.

Only thing I've had to do on mine extra was a control arm/ball joint combo, and an oil sending unit.

>>17376437
T W U N G I
W
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>>17376437
twingo, clio, 106, 205, Super5, Mk2 golf, R19, 309

I have a question: how the fuck do you guys find these cheap cars without them being complete fucking heaps?

>>17376430

i like these, didn't rust as much as the 3 doors for some reason, probably fewer water traps

did the one you drove have the very rare rear wiper?

that leboncoin one is not too bad, why are cars so expensive in the eurozone? more competition from cross-border buyers or just general attitudes of keeping hold of cars longer? here in the uk that would be half the price or even less in equivalent condition

>>17376437
mazda is severely underrated

>>17376472
Which mazda are we talking about here? The 323?

>>17376437
>>17376460


all those above plus
pre-1998 clio (bonnet opens forwards)
punto
citroen zx
rover r8 shape 200/400
small japanese cars
hyundai accent
kia rio
ford focus mk1
mazda 121/ford fiesta
seat arosa/vw lupo
rover metro/100
volvo 300 series

and the best one of all, skoda felicia

>>17376464
choose something japanese or korean
or something super common where you live
or a german petrol automatic red sedan

>>17376477
all of them
my uncle still drives his 400000km + automatic 626 for instance

>>17376465
i think it has to do with protectionist tax policies to sell more renault, peugeot and citroen
that's the only way to do it nowadays
these brands used to be cool sometimes, but nowadays they're not even trying

>>17359891
Mt. Wellington.
Mah niggah.

>>17359534
Tercel

>>17376465
>rear wiper
nope, but it had a weird speedmeter doubling somehow as a tachometer when i shifted gears
first and only time i encountered this
at first i thought the first gear went to 100km/h in 0,5s
fun times

>>17360034
>white hen
is it actually any good? besides the natural incompatibility between lancias and temperate climates

>>17364408
why not get a clio you faggot

>>17376485
why is the felicia fun?

>>17370716
fack yes, welcome to the warmth and glory of volvo 300 series.
Hope it's a redblock b200 and not some frenchy.

If you ever need help, have a look at 300power.com if you're ok with swedish or google translate.
There is always 300mania.com if you prefer english.

>>17372341
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_300_Series

Join us.

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>>17376442
>>17370974
By the way how do you set the internal clock on this thing? I cant figure it out. Does it have high beams? I move the turn signal forward and back but nothing happens
Originalio

>>17376902
Where does one even find these
I can't find a single posting on cl

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>>17366083
Spic here, I've seen lately a lot of banqueteated Renault Clio/Platinas even for free, like srsly people don't wanna tinker with those cars after they fail because "Le baggete engines" , "parts hard to get", "too complicated yiuro engineering" n shit (Like if internet, scrapyards & Clio forums don't exist lol). Meanwhile any VW ubershwaggen unrepairable crap is mainstream and overpriced as fuck. Even the Dieselgate junkers! Like the time some old fag wanted to sell me a 93' vocho "roller" shell for 15mil pesos, A FUCKING SHELL!

Or if you don't want to tinker with yiuro crap and wait a month for parts, go full ñerofag and get a Tsuru, just avoid anything made beyond 1996.

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$800 bucks, another $125 to get it street legal (Shot Muffler and exhaust)

Had 125k on it, only about 3000 miles on it over the past 8 years before me getting it.

Thoughts? I don't think it's a shitbox
[spoiler]but it's also my first car[/spoiler]

>>17377947
looks like a fun little car, does it have the BP twin cam 1.8?

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>>17377962
Pretty sure thats a no
This was taken about... 30 seconds ago

>>17359474
Justy's are super rad.

>>17366251
Looks comfy as fuck. What do you think of it?

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>>17377947
had one in high school. got it for 50 bucks and then spent about 500 on a stereo, underglow, mx3 interior, mx3 rims, and FnF muffler.

reminder that if your shitbox is over 25 years old its technically a collector vehicle in most states.

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>>17361996
holy shit had one of these in high school too.

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I'm working over the summer so I'll have some cash to sink into wheels and suspension

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Came here because all the other /o/tists keep shitting on my car because it's a V6 but here's my 2001 Ford Mustang with only 28k actual miles it's my DD and I want to add a body kit, straightpipe it, and add a cold air intake just to make it more personallized

Figured since you guys drive shitboxes you'd be okay with a sporty car with a shitty V6

Pic related it's my car

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>>17378667
this has to be bait

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>>17378667
Maybe you should consider why /o/ is shitting on your car instead of trying to find a safe space.

It's a V6 Mustang, it's not worth sinking money into outside of maintenance.

If you rice it up it'll look like every other 'I wanted to be different' V6 Mustang owner.

1/10 I replied.

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>>17378798
>not bringing your shitbox to the track

>>17361608
$460 month
That's nearly Land Rover territory dafuq

>>17378667
suzuki engine swap or gtfo
and i mean less than 1.0

>>17361608
460 a month for two months?

>>17379480
Swap an Across 250cc four cylinder in, rev to 16k

>>17359928
>How are you all so poor?
One way to become richer is to reduce silly car related spending, you know.

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is a basic fiesta a good car? I need a cheap, small, reliable dd but it I still want it to be somewhat newish (2010+). These are basically the only cars that are in my price range of around 5k.

>inb4 3k civic

I'm a europoor and a 2010+ civic overhere is still around the 10k mark

>>17379578
Least fun I've had driving a car ever (and I'm a fanatic Fordfag). If you want a new Ford, get a Focus, they're only a bit more expensive and larger, but way roomier inside and don't have the driving experience of playing Euro Truck Simulator 2 on a keyboard.

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1994 Pontiac Firebird
$900
~201,300 when purchased
-Motor rebuilt 36K before that (with papers)
-$300 intake manifold gasket repair (Bringing question to those rebuild papers)
-B&M Megashifter installed
-Wheel Setup on purchase: 165/50R15s front, 275/50R15s rear
-Wheel Setup now (for now): 195/60R15s front, 235/60R16s rear
-Brake pads were welded to the calipers when bought
-Has a hornet nest above the passenger front tire... Though luckily it's abandoned
-Hatch doesn't open
-Driver's door scrapes the front fender on opening, but no other signs of an accident
-Average of 24.7MPG right now, getting it up still

And that's most of it

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>>17379628
Photo it was listed on CraigsList with

>>17379578
no
no
very bad

>>17364163

You did pretty good job with it.

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>Don't get newer cars anons
>I miss my old civic

>>17360709
Kind of like New Zealand, interest free student loans wewt.
I don't even have a shitbox anymore, sold my mx5 to pay off some dumb debts (and finishing off student loan) and saving to buy something fun again. Only debt I'm gonna get in after this shit is a mortgage.

>>17379578
they're shit like most post-95 cars
if you want something like this get a 106/saxo, they're cheap as fuck, fun, reliable as shit and were made all the way tp 2003

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>>17379654
Test drove a 2017 BRZ once.
It is a great car but I have more joy driving my NA Miat. Maybe I'm just getting old

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>go to coffee and cars
>a $400 wolf among sheep

Is there such a thing as a poor man's vinyl wrap?

Long story short, I have a 90s car with mismatched body panels and I've failed at painting it and just made it look worse. Its silver and blue right now but I would just wrap it black if it was feasible to do on the cheap

>insurance: 140/mo
>gas: 80/mo
and the whole front suspension is shot, 800 for winter tires because my mom is paranoid i'd die, $400 in traffic tickets, license/registry stuff

My car is slow and a money pit, I should have just stayed with my bike and the bus desu

>>17379904
what car and what country to pay that much insurance?

>>17377144
I don't think they ever made it to the US, so you'd have to import one.

>>17379841
on a sunny day, in a dust free area:
1/ use fine sand paper
2/ clean that shit
3/ apply masking tape
3/ apply matte black spray paint
4/ take your fucking time for each step

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Guys, eurofag here with a problem.
I'm looking for a solid working used car beneath 5K Euros and I have a serious problem.
I am physically disgusted by modern design that's all streamlined/aerodynamic and want something that has straight lines instead of curved everything.
There are very few exceptions of carves with curves that I find acceptable but a basic bitch Audi A3 is 7K Euros for one that will break down at the end of the week.
I also find a very large aftermarket of parts important because I don't have the skills/equipment yet to work on cars myself.
I have an Opel Astra right now and am fucking sick of it and would prefer to get rid of it before I have to drop 1K on a distribution belt.
What would you guys suggest ?

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>>17380338
P O P U P S
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>>17380338
5k will get you a GTI in fucking tip top condition

>>17380344
I'd consider it if it had only 2 doors and was less curvy.
At this point I guess I'm looking for something with the Golf 1 aesthetic or like some of those old Citroëns.

>>17380354
I like these fucking lines, I would seriously consider something like this but would prefer 2 doors.

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>>17380359
One of these, or a Scirocco maybe?

>>17380366
MUH DICK

Is there a name for car designs like this ?

>>17380368
Anything by Giorgetto Giugiaro, really.

>>17369177
Fucking hell, nice find m8

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Anyone here know anything about Golf 2's ?
More specifically, costs to maintain and parts availability. I'd like to think I finally found true love.

>>17380544
>cost to maintain
jack shit, the engines are reliable but watch for rust
>parts availability
as long as you dont look for a rarer model you should be just fine

>>17380562
What can I do to prevent rust on older cars ?

>>17380570
Underbody coating and clean the wheelarches. A lot of shit builds up in there, which can trap water and road salt, leading to those nasty rusted quarter panels often seen on badly kept older cars.

>>17380570
make sure waterways are cleared, clean and coat as best as you can crevices, clean the underside, blackson coating, acting as soon as you see a rust spot, too.

>>17380588
I currently do not have equipment to work on the underside of a car, is this a one time investment or does it need to be done several times ? I'm considering a Mk.2 Golf or something similar as a daily but I'd like to keep it for the next 10 years if not longer. Would anything else besides this undercoating be necessary?

>>17380615
what you need to do the underside can be resumed to a trench in the ground
you'd need to scrape off and treat any rust that has gotten on the steel, and once all of it's done, go about undercoating it.
It needs to be redone on '80s/'90s cars because ecological laws in place dictated what such and such products could be used in car manufacturing, and they had to come up with new products that while ecologic were way uneffective, but we've come full circle now and undercoating products work very well and last a ton of time if done right.
So it's better seen as an investment, especially if it's a rarer model and you're keeping it a while.

>>17380643
I suppose there is no permanent solution for this ?
How many times would I need to have this done ?
Every year ?
Every 5 years ?
Would this be necessary on modern cars ?

>>17380655
>I suppose there is no permanent solution for this ?
For now, no, but as I said, done well, it'll last a fuckton of time.
>How many times would I need to have this done ?
once is enough
>Every year ?
>Every 5 years ?
hell no, it's a long lasting thing
>Would this be necessary on modern cars ?
we'll see in the future if it is but they'll most likely explode their engines before getting to rot anyway

>>17380689
Alright, then this is an investment I'm willing to make, I guess it's gonna be Golf then. Now I just gotta find one that isn't rusted and has been properly taken care of.

>>17380698
with a 5k budget you should be able to afford one in great condition with low miles and even rarer options/trim and you'll have leftover money still
they're also fun because light is right and they have absolutely no E-nannies bar ABS on shit like GTIs

>>17381005
5k for an Mk2 Golf?
You can get a fucking 330i for that kind of money. This is a poorfag general not a money waster general.

>>17379932
Canada AB, stock non-turbo outback
And 140 is from a sketchy company so I never want to need to use it. I called everywhere else and they were all 185/mo.

>>17381029
>5k for an Mk2 Golf?
that's not what I meant, but whatever
he said he had a budget of 5k, so of course a Golf 2 will fucking fit in there, I'm not retarded.
>>17381088
God fucking damnit rest in fucking piss

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>tfw failed inspections
I'm gonna have to borrow my grandpa's Skoda again

>>17381101
what's wrong with it?
I just passed mine (91 Renault 21 TD) and the only things wrongs are the headlights and the front doors.

>>17381005
I dunno senpai, I'm finding several but the ones that are actually taken care of tend to go towards 10K euros and the rest is all 300K miles for 3-5K Euros and some rust visible.
I'm in Belgium by the way.

>>17381112
rear drums are busted
exhaust pipe is loose
some problems with front suspension
I will get it done next week

Since the infograph is outdated asf, what would everybody say is a good used car? I'm trying to rebuild the infograph a little bit and I'd love to hear everyone's opinions. Since this is /pfg/ maybe you guys would know the best cars to get for under $1000?

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I got this for 400 bucks, and I have no fucking idea what I'm doing. All I've done is replace the starter and battery, and now need to replace the fuel pump, which was literally just tied under the car with an extremely thin wire and was just hanging there.

And when I said I don't know what I'm doing, I mean I don't know SHIT about cars. I've you can do some things to an L28 to make it faster, though?

>>17381617
wow that was a bad idea

>>17359774
Bought my first car this year. I'm 32.

>>17381617
Whoooaaaa bro
Whoa lmao
Whoahohohooooo hold on a minute XD

>>17359534

Buy a Mazda 3 and drive it like a cunt. That seems to be the norm

>>17378168
Nice, that looks clean as fuck.

>>17382004
i'm 24. Bought an automatic chrysler neon
The car needs a timing belt changed, otherwise its mint.
2001 120k km, 600 euro, has lpg installed.

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>>17367826
>>17367866
Emissions Test Pass!

>>17376437
punto

>>17378168
My guy! I'm in college right now and I'm finding that the GTP is just about the perfect college car. I pulleyed the supercharger, so it's about 300lb/ft and 260hp now, so enough to do some mild hooning, it's got enough space to move me to and from school, it's got enough space for beer runs and driving people around, and it's got 2 doors so I can pretend I drive a real coupe. Plus it looks sporty so girls assume it's a lot nicer than it is. The auto trans is my only complaint.

>>17385164
That suspension looks familiar. Is that a Geo Metro?

>>17379485
1 month it's a 2017 cuckrolla se if that matters and I made my gf feel like shit for pressuring me to get it but we're splitting half and half on the monthly payment now

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>>17388031
WoxXx mayng waddafuggageh FOH SITTY A MUNT FO A COROLLA

>>17359928

No one cares how old you are faggot.

>>17385164
good job famalam
>not modelo negro
does this even come in cans?

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>>17381595
>sticky implies anything you can find for cheap
>and has under $$ for COO
i don't see how this doesn't still apply
t. just bought an 27 y/o $200 V6 Camry last month

>>17381595
twingo

>>17359570
Learn to rotate pictures

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>1000 usd
>1993 Chevrolet Caprice Classic
>5.0L V8
>Detroit Steel
And the only things it needs is a new battery and a muffler(honestly optional with how sexy it sounds). Only bad thing is its auto

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its got a big scratch on the door

>>17390678
very nice
if you wanna do a manual swap I'm pretty sure it'd be easy given engine and drivetrain parts were common between a lot of them

>>17359785
>>17359791
Goddamn, kek'd hard

>>17374379
>these things are old
well, most are indeed old, but they were in production all the way up to 2002

>>17359526
one of the best vehicles ever to bless this earth
thank you, based Pandino

>>17359526
the ultimate tin can on wheels car. i love it
how is it so free of rust?