what would /o/ change about the new 86?

TRD turbo
Thats it

FA25 instead of FA20.

But European displacement taxes ruin everything as usual.

>>17355335
2nd,

A turbo option is all that is needed to break it our of meme tier.

>>17355326
2jz in it

don't even care if its turbo

>>17355326
I would probably add a turbo, but I like the aggressive look of it in red.

>>17355326
>make it the pre-facelift 86 again
>spoiler from the factory (delete as free option)
>option for trackworthy Brembos and 18" wheels with 225 Michelin PSS
>softer front swaybar

I would prefer it if the manufacturer used the automobiles effluvium to forcefully increase the maximum amount of air, and therefor fuel avaliable to the engine.

>>17355336
>keeping shit flat engine
No.

Put a 200hp rotary in it.
Modern FC.

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Needs either a V6 from Lexus...

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>>17355484
...or a boosted 2AR FE from the tC

>>17355335

exactly. It does not need more cylinders. It does not need a new front end. It just needs a factory turbo option

>>17355326
Turbo option so benchracers can stop whining.
Less weight.
That's about it.

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Camber correct kits front and rear to tune out the positive camber, BRZ front bumper, 5 axis rear spoiler, better looking and better fitted wheels, unequal length header, full exhaust, ECUTEK Stage 2 tune, clutch spring mod. It doesn't need to be a mustang killer. It just needs a little visual customization and a tune to warm up the motor. And the Subaru burble.

>>17355686
that looks like a whole new car. does it really need "stage 2" without things like cams?

Liftback. BRZ STi with actual STi engine.

>>17355326
Buy a BRZ instad

>>17355695
Their stage 2 tune only needs a full exhaust. That one has a bodykit and other shit, just a good picture of the spoiler.

>>17355713
stupid stages are hard to understand. why cant they just make a tune based on what you have?

>all these nignogs crying about "muh power"
It's not a power car. Think about it like a Miata. Does a Miata *need* more power and do most people expect or want a Miata Turbo or Super version to ever be released? No. They are both entry level sports cars with good handling and purposefully engineered power levels.

>>17355707

Praise the lift back, savior of small dollar sports cars that will be now bought by normies because it is semi practical.

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>>17355720
This is a tune you buy, not something you get custom tuned.

>>17355726
Normalfags need to understand that a sports car shouldn't be like their Cuck Utility Vehicle. It's not supposed to be practical.

If you make a jack of all trades sports car it's going to underwhelm anybody that cares about the "sports" part of it.

>>17355731
T. Never owned a liftback
They're fucking awesome because they're a sports car, but the glass lifting up and the seats folding down give them loads of storage space.

>>17355722
The only reason not to offer an option with more power is because it would make the car worse. Please elaborate to me now how a BRZ WRX with 265 hp and slightly improved suspension, brakes and tires would be worse.

>>17355736
>Please elaborate to me now how a BRZ WRX with 265 hp and slightly improved suspension, brakes and tires would be worse.
It would be more expensive for one thing

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>>17355731
im a normal guy and i cant see why you need a car for sports. even a "tame" bike like this gets any need for speed out of my system. most of the time i like my luxury car, for the reasons that its not sporty.

so if i feel like speed, somehow i think a bike has more of a raw feel, not as distilled as a 86 or other sports car. not sure if i explained how i feel, but the appeal of a sports car is lost on me

>>17355731

I care about normalfags subsidizing fun small cars that wouldn't otherwise exist. The gt86 is going to be one generation and done, why? Because it's fucking impractical and normies don't buy it. Add 25 pounds and minus 1% chassis rigidity to put a list back hatch on it and it will sell 3x as many and have a second gen because you can actually have it as your one car that can carry ladders n shit out the back. I have both a s13 240sx coupe and hatch, difference is night and day in terms of practicality while performance is essentially identical.

>>17355326
Its simple

for 26k it should have about 50 more HP imo, this can be done easily with a turbo because the FA20 in this is the same one in the WRX and we know it takes a turbo well.

If not the car's cost should drop to 23k-24k.

>>17355754
I think liftbacks have died for safety, not rigidity. Is there even a liftback still being produced?

>>17355746
Good for you. But a car is totally different from a bike. A bike is more raw while a car is more refined.

>>17355754
Normalfags still wouldn't buy it. They'd still flock to SUVs like they have been for years.

>>17355742
No what was said was "worse" the car itself being worse or the price because the price is highly fluid because of how fucking jewy toyota and subaru can be

For a while the BRZ was the same cost as a WRX

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>>17355686

>>17355729
I wouldn't do a tune on a new car because I'm not voiding the warranty on it

>>17355762
its not only about rawness, in a car you are pushing the cars limits, on the bike, you are pushing your own, moreso.

its more of a challenge to ride a bike at 9/10 than a car. my god i suck at expressing myself.

>>17355772
I get what you mean now. I think the heightened risk factor adds to that feeling.

>>17355771
Your loss. Toyota and Subaru engineers know fuck all about engines. Only an aftermarket brand that popped up a year ago to sell shit to vapelords really knows how to make the most of the fuel and spark maps.

>>17355686
Why do I see SO many people buying the GT86/FRS? Why don't people buy the BRZ?

>>17355770
There is literally nothing wrong with bolt on exhausts, the BRZ, or referring to chassis codes

>>17355779
>Your loss

of a 3 year warranty bumper to bumper, thats worth way more than a fucking tune

>>17355770
Good meme pic

>>17355771
Neither would I, but it's an option. I don't think this would decrease reliability in any way, it's just telling the ECU to take advantage of an uncucked exhaust.

>>17355779
>Toyota and Subaru engineers know fuck all about engines
Please, do tell about your extensive engineering engines experience

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>>17355770
>majority of your car knowledge is from youtube/forums
This is just the nature of knowledge nowadays. I use the internet as a primary source of knowledge for everything I do, as does likely anyone here.

>>17355779
>herp derp engineers r dumb
No, they knew exactly what they were doing. They made the engine to mod, they knew mostly real enthusiasts that knew their shit would buy the car, so they left lots of options. You can individualize the car in many ways to suit your driving style. For instance I am a togue specialist, so I have 2 inches of drop and some camber (tasteful amount), cold air intake, Invidia exhaust, and a Stage 3 tune making about 300hp (I am more experienced so can handle this amount of power, the car out of the box is set up for a mid level driver so 200hp is more than enough).

>forced induction or pigfat engines

MORE RPMS. Everyone has done forced induction now and you may as well get a Golf R and start vaping if you go down the turbo from the factory route.
Toyota should have teamed up with Honda instead of Subaru. GT86 with 9500rpm redline Honda witchcraft?

Make it scream. If I had one and the money for an engine swap, it'd be getting a obscenely high revving N/A.

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>>17355785
>>17355792
Replying to obvious bait.

>>17355812
wew

>>17355811
>more RPMs
>have to beat the piss out of the engine to get any power

>>17355785
>>17355792
>>17355810
check your autism, spergs

>>17355770
>the impotent cuck rage behind this picture

Are the chads in their corvettes bullying you at the local meet?

Ace A/350 4-2-1 Header + Tune
Any Max Performance Summer Tires

There, fixed it.

>>17355820
>being content with a 3k powerband

See I can shitpost as well. The meme-86 is meant to be fun, if you turbocharge it you may as well add a DCT and oh shit it's twice as heavy and four times the price, except now no ones going to pay it because it's in German car territory.

>>17355824
>you're autistic because you won't void the warranty you paid for

>>17355836
So you would rather pair up with Honda, who have totally ditched VTEC for Tarbos, and slap a 1.6L POS in there? No no no. It simply isn't done.

>>17355838
No, you're autistic because with the fucking vape comments that anon was obviously not serious, and yet you need to jump to defend your previous godmobile.

Try reading this again, without the first portion, and ask me again how I know you stopped reading after the second sentence.

> Only an aftermarket brand that popped up a year ago to sell shit to vapelords really knows how to make the most of the fuel and spark maps.

>>17355686

>UEL header

No. The best header out right now with the best gains in torque and horsepower is the Ace headers which are all Equal Length.

>>17355849
B-BUT MUH BURBLE

>>17355849
The difference is minimal enough I'd rather have muh burble.

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>>17355780
I prefer the looks of the FRS over the BRZ. My car is identical to a BRZ besides the suspension, and I prefer that the FRS is more prone to oversteer

>>17355335
With a 12:1 compression ratio lulz

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>>17356024
Problem?

>>17355845
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_F20C_engine

2 litres, 240bhp, 9000rpm redline. Already exists!

even the K20z4 from the generation 8 civic type R had 200bhp and an 8k redline, that'd be far more fun to drive than a turbo 4.

I have a BMW turbo 4 at the moment, it'd eat an 86 alive but boy is it soulless.

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Daily reminder that the FA20 is the most powerful NA 4 cylinder you can buy in today's market.

>>17356024
You know that the FA20DIT exists right?

Essex v6

>>17355779
your post is too much for /o/ tards, it went right over their heads

>>17355502
MSRP now 35k

>>17356430
Cossie YB m8

>>17355765
Have you seen the weight of a WRX vs a BRZ. There is a rule that applies to every new car. Power, weight, cost. Can only pick 2. WRX is power and cost. BRZ is weight and cost.

>>17355761
The new Honda civic hatchback......

>>17355754
Except no, hatchback increases the weight by 100-150lbs.

>>17355761
>>17356626
And Corvette and 370z

>>17355780
Because Subaru is contractually bound to badge 5 out of 6 cars as FR-S/86. The rest is supply and demand.

>>17355326
I'm starting to like the new front bumper, only thing I'd do to it is maybe add that japanese TRD version bumper in pic related.
I think it's perfect the way it is; simple rwd coupe, 200hp, 2 liter engine so I won't get raped by taxes here in europe, looks aesthetic, fairly cheap to buy new considering the other monstrosities out there.

I currently drive a 100hp 10-11 sec 0-60 FWD shitbox and I can get a lot out of it. I have a lot of fun with it on the twisty forest and mountain roads around here and I can only imagine I'd have even more fun with a 200hp RWD car.

I sometimes speed at like 180kmh and I imagine the toyobaru goes pretty effort free to 150kmh which is all that I need considering the type of roads I drive around here. I also have no interest in drag racing or rolling drag racing or anything involving accelerating in a straight line because I get no enjoyment from it (a lot of the kids around here do it though and seem to enjoy it, it's just not for me).

So all in all, I think it's a great car and I'm genuinely happy that it exists since here I can't get access to any older RWD cars that aren't beaten to shit or destroyed by modders. Only other option I'd have is some e46 BMW but to get the amount of power the toyobaru has (along with an LSD) I'd have to get something with a bigger than 2L engine and that's gonna cost me a lot of money yearly in taxes.

I'm open to any alternatives to this car that you guys can give me, but at the moment, this seems to be exactly the car I'd want.

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>>17356891
lol forgot the pic of the TRD one with the front bumper I like

>>17355722
>Does a Miata *need* more power and do most people expect or want a Miata Turbo or Super version to ever be released?
Yes and yes
155hp from a 2.0L is unacceptable for a sports car in 2017

>>17356954
Go buy a Rustang

>>17356891
I really see nothing wrong with the 86. I'd wager most people that complain about the power just want to stoplight race and couldn't actually use the 86's racing dynamics to their full potential on a real track. It's one of the few true modern driver's cars.

>>17356985
going around the car comunity around here and seeing these jerkoffs standing next to their cars while they blast their faggot music and going to """""drag race""""" every now and then makes me realize that 90% of """"car people"""" especially young ones between 18-25 are a bunch of idiots.
much like how in the skate scene you have posers with expensive deck setups and brand clothing and all that that can't even kickflip, you also have this phenomenon in the car scene. People either straight up buying fast cars but never actually bother to learn how to drive fast or just buying cars to brag and benchrace
>muh car makes 500hp yo getting 3 sec 0-60 fo shizzle
not even joking, this is what they do.
every time I take one of these faggots for a ride on a road that has actual corners I shit all over them in a way less powerful car.

getting back to the toyobaru, I feel that the car can be very good if used as a momentum car. if you keep up your speed (and it seems easy with its low center of gravity and suspension setup) you can dominate easily.
but shit like this is too hard for the casual normie fags who just want to step on the gas and feel their car take care of them.

>>17355359
Making it a nose heavy understeering pig.
Ew

>>17355720
Stages are retarded. They should actually have a proper description.

>>17357020
Damn anon, true words if i ever hear from them.

Its like, i like initial D, but because i watched someone take a shit car, and through driving skill alone brought out an untapped potential of a symbiotic relationship between a car and its driver

I think everyone should start with a FWD until they get used to how weight transfers, and how suspension feels when you fool around, only because if you start loosing control, chances are if you panic throttle you can pull back and youll probably wreck less, and if you do its ok because its a shitbox.

TL:DR
Learn to drive before you drive fast

>>17357231
>through driving skill alone brought out an untapped potential of a symbiotic relationship between a car and its driver
Gayest shit I've read all day.

>>17357020
>90% of people between 18-25 are a bunch of idiots.
FTFY

>>17357239
I mean i baited you, so guess that makes you the fag here

But really though, do you not feel your car as an extension of your body as you drive?

>>17357239
I take it you haven't written your diary entry for the day yet.

>>17357248
>do you not feel your car as an extension of your body as you drive?
I do, but I don't try to make driving poetry.

>>17355782
>bolt on exhaust
Why

>>17357258
that doesn't mean it isn't true though

>>17357310
Symbiotic relationship? Stop doing drugs you hippy.

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>>17357314
The car can't operate without the driver. The driver can't get transported without the car.

The driver maintains the car, and the car keeps the driver cozy.

>>17357345
There you're going all gay again.

>>17355326
I would give it a turbo lsx. Fuck any """""sports car""""" that's slower than a goshdamn minivan.

>>17357379
>slower than a goshdamn minivan
Please show me a minivan that is faster than the 86 and isn't the R63 AMG.

>>17357398
The new Chrysler Pacifica is faster than an automatic 86. This has been proven

>>17357398
Did you not see this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgUuRVkgJmg

>>17357407
The driver of the 86 drove slowly deliberately for the clickbait and attention.
>>17357412
>86 took 8.5 seconds from 0 to 60
Did you really think this is real?

>>17357412
>almost 300hp V6 vs a 200hp h4
>both cars automatic driven by complete faggots
>buying the toyobaru with an automatic transmission
this video is the equivalent of 5 year olds taunting each other
>SEE I TOLD U I WAS FASTER HAHA
good job for posting it again though, hurry and tell your mom about it

>>17357314
see
>>17357345
Driver maintains car, car provides longer, also based response

>>17357296
Why not?

>>17357761
What benefit does it offer apart from a shinier exhaust

A normal piston engine. Or if you're feeling really crazy, a Mazda rotary. Anything but the head gasket eating boxers. If I have to pull the engine out to work on it, at least give me a rotary.

I wish they'd stop trying to compare it to the 2000GT when it's a revival of the ae86

>>17358194
But most of the time when seals blow on a rotary, it gouges the housing or the irons or destroys the rotor, and they're totally unusable. You're lucky if all you need to do is get the rebuild kit when your rotary blows. I'd much rather have to replace the headgaskets then replace ruined major parts.

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>>17355326

needs a 2.5L boxer engine outputting around 240 hp

>>17358229
I thought that was a renesis thing? Where the older engines blew out the broken seals through the exhaust, I read that renesis seals stay in the engine and circulate there.

>>17358194
But muh low center of gravity

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>>17358274
A renesis is just a modified 13b mostly. It still uses 13b housings. The stock exhaust ports are way too small for the seals to fly out and not damage anything. In the case of my 12a, the seals actually ruined the rear rotor, the housing, the rear iron and the center iron and even siezed the engine. I couldnt even get it to turn with the starter after it blew. The renesis engine is definitely less reliable though. Its essentially a tortured NA 1.3 liter engine squeezing 230 hp.

The whole "it's easy just rebuild with the 1k rebuild kit" thing doesn't actually happen most of the time.

Inline 4 with a optional turbo
200 to 250 HP
a lot better torque than before with no dip
Dual clutch or 6 speed manual

>>17358330
I knew about the apex seals thing, but I didn't know the engines could destroy themselves; I thought the worst case scenario is that the engine wouldn't start since the chambers are no longer isolated.

That said, I heard a lot of criticism towards the RX-8 in general, ranging from it being a castrated RX-7 to the whole car being a piece of junk.

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>>17358330
Also if you overheated it you have to check and see if the irons aren't warped because combustion happens all the time on only one side of the engine so the iron can warp due to heat and if it's off any, it's ruined. Here's a view of the exhaust port, see some pieces I guess could fly out through the port but it doesn't go the entire way so even if pieces fell out, the side of the seal where it's not going over the port to fall out would be misaligned because the center of the seal isn't there and then start to gouge the housing.

give it the engine from the third gen legacy STI

>>17358350
Nah see when the apex seals go and you lose compression, you of course don't make any power but when the seals go its usually only on one rotor, the other rotor is fine and it'll actually start and run, forcing the other chamber to drag that destroyed metal seal around. It's kinda funny actually, when I got the car towed home, I guess the tow knocked the seal lose and I was able to start it and I swear it was idling at like 100 rpm and it still didn't die.

Rotaries are weird

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>>17358378
I also get the impression that Mazda isn't exactly a quality automaker, as evidenced by their SpeedHoles™ technology. Rotaries completely destroying themselves sounds like Mazda's problem, not the engine's. It's like saying piston engines are shit because Yugos are the most unreliable cars.

>>17358419
Nah I really think it's just how the engine is designed. It's just not a long lasting design when you really look at it. The seals are so essential for the design to work, and they must be lubricated. It's alleviated mostly by premixing, but asking consumers to premix their car like a lawnmower or weedwacker just isn't realistic, so you have to have it burn conventional oil, but conventional oil doesn't burn as clean as premix so you run into mpg and emissions issues.Which are the reasons why it was discontinued.

I guess you could preemptively rebuild the engine before it blows anytime it get around 100k miles and it'll last a long ass time but you don't have to do that for conventional engine. Maybe there's a way to make the rotary design much more reliable, but the apex seals are really just a problem and nobody else wants to develop the engine so we might never see it happen.

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>>17358194
Headgaskets are fine with the FA20 though.
>>17358339
You know it comes with a 6 speed right?

I bought a new 2017 86 last month and am enjoying the fuck out of it

The front also looks better in person, I was not sold on photos but for some reason it's better in real life and most agree

>>17358339
>turbo-4, 250bhp and an automatic

so you've made a 328i?

>>17355335
I would cry from happiness. I want this car to be good.

>>17359298
congrats on your purchase anon, saving up to buy one as well.
how is the fuel economy for it?

>>17359562
Thanks anon, hope you get yours soon too

I'm getting about 8.0L/100km at the moment so fairly happy with that. I get a fuel card for work as well so my fuel is free.

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>>17359566
shit that is incredible...
tfw can't wait to git it

V12

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>>17359574
Took it for a road trip the other day up to some mountains and it was heaps fuckin' good, rumbles along like a champ

>>17357962
A full bolt on exhaust will have a larger diameter and thus flow better.

>>17355326
It needs 30-80 more HP. With 30 being the bare minimum from its existing engine.

Ideally, a small NA V6 with a nice responsive nature like a destrok d 2GR would be ideal. Toyota never really gave their recent batch of V6 motors any chance with a manual except for some early IS250's with the weak sauce 2.5L v6. This motor in a 3.0L confit could really sing with a 6spd.


Second choice, supercharge existing engine for 230ish hp. Easily streetable. Wouldn't affect balance. Might take away some upper range, and bog down low revs with drag on the accessories chain, but the midrange would be fat as fuck and fun.


Last choice. The new turbo I4 2.0 they have in the lexus cars now with like 250hp. Of course these will reach peak boost at about the same place that the current config starts to hit peak torque after climbing out of its stupid gutless valley, and send a tom of these cars spinning into trees and off cliffs, but it would be a boon to any tuners.

I think another option would be a 2.2-2.5L striker of the existing engine. But I'd prefer a move away from the boxer despite its low c/g and lower hoodline. But a NA route would be best, despite Internet jerkoffs wanting turbos so they can pretend they have a new mkiv supra on their hands.

>>17359732
any engine bigger than a 2L would be a no-go in any other place except the US.
people fail to realize that they managed a goddamn miracle with this car: 2L N/A 4cyl 200hp in an affordable RWD coupe.
only way to keep the costs down and make the car actually affordable.
otherwise, if you're in your 30s and already have a lot of money, you'd just buy a car with a higher displacement, more hp, more room, etc; something akin to a BMW in terms of power, rwd, room.
otherwise, the competion for this car is the miata, and I'd take it over the miata anyday because it's a bit more roomy and practical to own as a car and not just a jerkoff mobile so I can be a boiracer and not be able to do anything else with it.

so yeah
>tl;dr either aftermarket supercharge it or leave it as is, make more money, buy another car instead of bitching that an affordable car doesn't offer the same things a more expensive car or a car that you're gonna pay more taxes for will do for you.

>>17359566
I get 9.4 average....

>>17355326
I4 instead of b4

Replace the flat six with a straight six, or at least a fucking V6, MacPherson suspension with double wishbone.

Change the body behind the front seats. Take out the rear seats and replace with a flat cargo area, make it a hatchback with a downward sloping hatch.

I really want one of these. 2018 possibly. I talked to someone who worked at my local toyota dealership (saw them in line at gas station) and she called it the "eighty six," that made me want it less.

>>17362267
Eight-six makes no sense unless you're a weeb.

>>17355770
who hurt you

>>17355785
They would need to look at the read only memory to even notice. And a engine tune wouldn't affect the warranty on a power window regulator

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>>17362298
How dare you make me realize this

>>17362298
Or you want an Elise but need something more practical and reliable.

>>17362459
Do you have no understanding of context, whatsoever?

>>17355336
you americans keep thinkimg we yurops cant get decent engines, and it is true that getting shit like a 5.7 is hard (but perf posible) 2,5l doesent even get any extra taxes in spain

>>17355811
It's 2800lbs... A high revving engine would make even less torque. Also most people aren't comfortable with winding out their engines to 9000rpm.

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>>17362500
No

>>17357412

THIS x100

like the MX5, it is slow as fuck and not good

don't buy slow cars

fucking shit

poorfags "hoon" = annoying I4 with loud, grating fartcan exhaust

at least get a V6 if you want to pretend to be a car person, jesus christ

literally like teens and early 20-somethings on this board I feel like

>>17355326
Just the not having a lot horsepower. Other than that, I like the car the way it is.

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>>17362750
I know, people buy shit like this then call themselves car people.

>>17355326
an inline 4 that revved to like 9k

or

a turbo option

or

a 3jz turbo (only in mi dream)

>>17357962
umm in a turbo car it makes a world of difference in terms of flow. Get off this board faggot

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>same 205 hp
>more torx
>better mpg
>more space
>roughly same weight
>better equipped
>actually has a turbo
>can be had as coupe or sedan
>manual only (noobz btfo)
>way better equipped
>cheaper

Why would anyone consider a toyobaru when the new civic SI exists?? Sure its front wheel drive but since 99% of these cars will never see a track, does it really matter?

>>17363865
I've seen one with a 2jz. Only at that point does it deserve the title 'God Machine.'

>>17355326
How to actually fix the car:

Step 1: Modify the engine layout so that it sits even lower

Step 2: Swallow the pride and delete backseat. Make car smaller

Step 3: Find some way to make car lighter

Step 4: Rebore, destroke. increase RPM to 9k or beyond. Increase power overall

Step 5: Increase compression rate

Step 6: Double wishbone on all 4 wheels

Step 7: Carbon fiber wing as an option


Gg.

>>17363924
>205
>but already with turbo
>FWD
Gee I wonder.

>>17363924
>all those stats that its better.
>admits they won't see a track.

Might as well get what you like if youre not gonna be racing them.

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>>17363971
>Swallow the pride and delete backseat. Make car smaller
Check.
> Find some way to make car lighter
Check.
>Double wishbone on all 4 wheels
Check.

Engine is worse though.

>>17364036
>FIAT

Would you call me autistic if i told you that its so shaming that an european turbo 1.4 is a better roadster than a japanese car made as a sports car from the ground up?

Miata fits most of those descriptions. A shame that they went with such agressive looks and dont try to reduce weight so much anymore.

>>17364046
ND already weighs as much as my pinky toe.

What the hell do you want them to do? Remove the radio?

>>17364083
ND weights more or less the weight of the NA but with more shit to it.

Yeah i want them to go insane with the weight.

Maybe offer an ultra base with no radio no AC and no power windows

Go borderline racecar with the weight.

>>17364046
The MX-5 excels at weight reduction. That's what it does best. What it needs is to look less ugly (which the Fiata fixes) and respectable power (200hp would be perfect). 155hp is inexcusable for a sports car in 2017.

>>17355722
Who gives a shit about miatas? They're just cuck cars for numale faggots and women.

>>17364126
155 power for its weight is ok.

But i want it lighter dude.

I want it to have the cute sexy look of the N/A and MAKE IT FUCKING LIGHTER

>>17364134
anthropomorphizing vehicles makes you a fag

>>17364128
>>17364214
You might be on the wrong website.

>>17355326
I think it should be faster than your average minivan from half a decade ago. But if the people who buy it have such low standards and Toyota is getting shekels, good for them.

>>17362298
or you just like them and dont justify your car purchases on 4chan

>>17362523
Then those people can go lease a Golf R, take it to REVO and tell everyone their 0-60 times until people stop returning their calls. Take bikers. sports bike riders are happy enough opening their bikes up to 11 million RPM and cruiser riders are happy enough changing up early and putting their keys in the bowl at swingers parties.

>>17362750
>"car people" must fit muh criteria

i assume you bought a V6 of some kind and are getting bullied by V8 owners.

>>17364360
Good news! if you get the manual, it is!

>>17355746
Cars pull harder Gs in corners. With downforce and four tires, you get to laugh at street rossi putting his knee down and staring death in the face at a paltry 60mph while your tires won't even start to give until well over 80 in the same corner, and even then afford you control where a bike would fly off the road.

Bikes are fun for raw acceleration and sharp handling. Leaning into corners is fun and gets you lower to the ground than any race car for a real sense of speed. Feeling like you're moving through the world instead of having the world revolve around your cage is liberating. But, when it comes to corners, cars are fucking insane. Sorry.

Even a miata can out-corner a sportbike (downhill with a tailwind)

Also that's a VFR750 and a miata could definitely out corner that

>>17362750
>muh slow cars

here's a tip

once you get going fast, don't brake so hard before that corner

now your slow car is not so slow

>>17362750
confirmed for being an absolute virgin faggot
go fuck yourself my lad, if you can't be fast in a 100hp car you can't be fast in a 500hp car and that is a fact.
being fast does not equate to pushing down the gas pedal in straight line you fucking inbred. learn to drive and then come back here.

>>17362113
>flat six in the toyobaru
>MacPherson with double wishbone

do you even car?

a turbo and asian girlfriend so i can smoke 20 sonmething faggot trust fund kids in their civics, wixxers (wrx), and focus sts and vape like a fucking retard and spend thousands on retarded sk8r hats and clothing

>>17366213
Why so salty, friend?

>>17364345
nah i'm not, miatas are cool

>>17355326
a new front fascia, an new suspension, new swaybar for all versions.
a racing version ligther, bucket seats, big ass rear wing, skirts, turbo.

>>17355326
Twice as much power. Wider tires. Then it would be god tier. Now it's just a joke.