Tesla model X sob story on reddit

Why do you keep coming back to /o/ from Reddit, OP?

>>17352749
minivans with power doors have been recalled for less, not surprised.

>>17352749

If all passengers involved were wearing seatbelts, nobody's life was in imminent danger and this is just rich people being cunts as usual.

>>17352785
don't you understand, they were severely traumatized

>now gibe $100,000 refund

>>17352749
>One day the door opens on a highway
>it doesn't fly
I want a refund

This is the kind of shit I mean when I say I prefer old cars because they computerize too much stuff in new ones. I don't mean fuel injection. I mean parts that should be and always have been mechanical, being changed to motors and servos for no goddamned reason, that are more expensive to fix and more prone to failure or could have software errors. Why do doors need to be motorized? Why does the latch need to be automatic? Why does the handle need to be a capacitive surface instead of a normal fucking handle? Answer: it doesn't.

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>>17352793

>millions of poors buy $12k GM shitbox
>takes hundreds of confirmed deaths before any action is taken
>1 rich person has 1 "traumatizing" experience in their Tesla
>Elon Musk personally sucks the dick of the owner and eats out his wife to make things better

>>17352806
b-but my app control. how else can I jerk off into the faces of my golfing buddies who all have S-Classes with infinitely better interiors?

>>17352806
I would have agreed with you a decade ago. but nowadays if you actually have good software and QC there is little to worry about.

The same exact thing happened with the aviation industry. Used to be that planes were these electro-mecanical pieces of art with wires running everywhere being manually controlled by the pilot and all sorts of analog doohickeys. Now, planes are one big solid-state computer with some lift surfaces. I don't go on a plane wondering if the servos will bork or whatever. I trust in the engineering behind it, and the fact that with the computerization comes precision and a flavor of reliability which didn't exist with "old" planes.

Crunky cars with manual everything will have their place, but the future lies in sensors, microcontrollers ,and solid-state computing/assisting.


I think it's great, but I see your point.

t. not a car guy

>>17352821
You can step on the accelerator pedal

>>17352806
falcon wing doors would have been fine but they either
1) didn't test the system well enough
or
2) tested it, found bugs, but were rushed to production and didnt have time to fix them

>>17352864
Have you actually read airbuses control logic? It's brought down planes before.

Tl;DR:
>Airbus control logic won't let you kill the plane.
>Some small problems can get you thrown into Alternative Law
>All protections gone.
>Plane can kill you now.

http://www.airbusdriver.net/airbus_fltlaws.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAM_Airlines_Flight_3054

>>17353236
you moron luddite, at least read what you yourself post


..."The report suggests two hypotheses for the accident. In the first, there was a flaw in the power control of the plane's engines, which would have kept one of the thrust levers into acceleration, regardless of their actual position. In such circumstances, there was mechanical failure of the aircraft. However, the occurrence of this failure is one in 400 billion hours of flight and therefore highly improbable. In the second hypothesis, the pilot has performed a procedure different from that provided in the manual, and put the thrust lever in an irregular position, a configuration of human error for the accident."

I would take a glass cockpit airbus any day of the week over older planes. Same with cars.

>>17353258
in before someone does that human thing of
>well one in 400 billion hours is not zero percent change so it COULD happen so that much be it!!!

>>17353258
So, you missed this entire discussion?

>CENIPA is that the pilots may not have noticed that the right engine remained at CL because the Airbus autothrottle system, unlike other aircraft manufacturers, does not automatically move the levers when the autothrust controller changes engine settings. Therefore, the pilots may have thought that the right engine was at idle power without realizing that Airbus autothrust logic dictates that, when one or more of the thrust levers is pulled to the idle position, the autothrust is automatically disengaged.[18] Thus, when the pilot pulled the left engine thrust lever to idle, it disconnected the autothrust system and the computer did not retard the right engine power to idle. The A320's spoilers did not deploy during the landing run, as the right thrust lever was above the "idle" setting required for automatic spoiler deployment.[16] Since the right engine thrust lever was still in the "climb" detent at that time, the right engine accelerated to climb power while the left engine deployed its thrust reverser. The resulting asymmetric thrust condition resulted in a loss of control and a crash ensued.

>>17353289
Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_Flight_137

>>17353311
>>17353258

>human error

what a shame

>>17352749
Stupid liberal had it coming

>>17353311
>>17353322
A throttle lever's physical position not matching the actual throttle setting/output would never happen if it was mechanically connected instead of electrically. The "human error" present in this case couldn't happen on a mechanical linkage.
Analog tech: 1
Electrical bullshit: 0

>>17353376
the computer did EXACTLY as it was supposed to do. it worked flawlessly. The pilots gave it inputs and it did what it was *designed* do do with those inputs. Now it's a shame that the pilots made a mistake in doing what they did, but the fault is 0% the "electrical bullshit" as you say. The fault is the human interface, which is an easy fix. Get rid of the human.

>>17353376
>would never happen if it was mechanically connected instead of electrically.
except for the fact that mechanical throttle cables need to be adjusted and can sag over time?

>>17353400
>The fault is the human interface, which is an easy fix. Get rid of the human.

>I'm an edgy faggot, the post.

>>17353444
it's true tho

>>17353410
And you can easily detect when a mechanical linkage is developing issues because it FEELS different, whereas electrical has no feeling at all.

A&P here, new planes >>>>>old planes.

>>17353376
Throttle cables have all sorts of issues, many cars have broken engine mounts and unintentionally accelerated, throttle cables stick, etc.
>mechanical things can't possibly fail guys!

>>17352749
And this is why I hate Tesla. You have to take it to their service center to get fixed. No blue collar mechanic nor a friend that could help you, its literally just Tesla.

Tbqh if my Tesla's doors flew open on the highway, yeah I'd be pretty mad.

Full refund mad? No. That's some entitled shit.

>>17352785
Its a car company run by a prententious cunt and driven by pretentious cunts.

It's hilarious.

I honestly find it very hard to believe the lot of you fucking faggots would be fine if your car door opened for no reason while driving.

Regardless if it's a meme tesla, that's inexcusable. I would be mad as fuck as well, but not to the point I demand a refund like a cunt.

>>17352811
Now you are catching on how the world works poorfag.

>>17354013
The stupid kid probably pressed the "door open" button or whatever

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>>17353322
"human error" is never an acceptable root cause for an incident investigation. You could always have prevented the human error by designing the system better. The pilot would not have made that error if the controls were better designed to indicate the status of the engines. You cannot reasonably expect every pilot in the world to perfectly remember every single dumb quirk in the controls every single time without ever making a mistake in the thousands of times that each pilot does that same action throughout his career.

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>>17352749
>"we were all severely traumatized by that event"
I love it when stereotypes play out like this. Do you suppose they're actually traumatized or is it just a ploy for gibs?

>>17354013
I used to drive a Chevy citation that would fling both doors open every time I hit the brakes.

Was pretty neat

>>17352811
Actually if you compare the ratio of cars sold vs cars malfunctioning. The ratio is probably close to the same.

>reddit

It's /o/ full of Tesla shills now?
I'd want a refund too if I bought an 80k car or whatever the price is that has so many problems, especially problems that may cost my child's life.

>>17354498
They know each incident is another nail in Tesla's coffin.

>>17354013
My piece ofbshit 1.25 million mile semi driver door opens all the time. Idgaf

>>17354498
Maybe don't buy a Silicon Valley meme machine in the first place then.

>>17353400
Computer science major here.
Also Car guy

You know, just because it's controlled by a computer doesn't mean the human input is gone. It still there, only now it's not a pilot, but a dumb fuck like me.

Yep, we have to do years of research before we even start planning and designing the damn software, but even then, who do you sltrust more? Me, or a seasoned pilot?

Answer is, or rather should be, neither and both.

Also, if you knew how bad most programs end up, and how bug riddled and straight up dangerous pretty much every piece of code around you is, you'd shit yourself. No such thing as perfect code.

I won't even start on security.

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>>17352749
>https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/6giiao/my_model_x_90d_driver_side_falcon_door_opened_on/
>One day the door opens on a highway
That's still a safety defect when the car's software ordered that done. But at least Tesla can update the software and have the cars updated with the next automated software update. Every time someone starts up their car, it's just like a new fresh reboot of a PC that got its latest downloaded update.

>>17354519
The difference is that it's fine for you because it lets you get rid of the last prostitute you murdered.

>>17353766
Software and encryption control between its components locks it into its own expensive ecosystem. If you want to use more of the percentage capacity of the battery pack you already purchased, you have to pay a subscription fee each year. It's similar to the idea if you bought a laptop, you can only let the battery capacity drop to 90% before it stops working unless you pay another $xx each year to let it drop to 70%. And another $yy fee each year to let it drop to 40%. And so forth. That despite your having purchased the hardware already. But you are still held prisoner by the software that allows it to vampire your wallet.

>>17352749
>ctrl f for child locks
>nobody mentions them
isn't this why they exist? I don't know if the model X has any, so I might just be ignorant.

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>the door can open while youre driving down the highway but it wont open with the battery out

>>17353766
You know what, that's not Tesla's fault. If your Blue Collar friend didn't flippantly deny the existence of physics and refuse to learn anything about modern automotive electronics, he would have a solid foundation with which he could confidently work on a Tesla, or any modern car. Real people just seem to invent the idea that they can't fix things or that it's too complicated for them -- despite the fact that another human being put it together so surely it can be taken apart.and understood.

>>17354875

Regular people can't work on Teslas due to the advanced degree of autism required to assemble a Tesla. Normies can't fix them.

>>17354963
RNS (real nigga shit)

>>17352749
If German cars are overengineered, Teslas are overengineered to German power.

>>17352749
Falcon doors on an SUV was a stupid idea to begin with.

>>17352864
the main plus on fly by wire systems is that eletronical control can be put inbetween pilot and moving parts.

but maybe nowadays cars needs some PID to hold their doors shut kek

>>17355047
BUT
IT
LOOKS
SO
COOL

>>17354776
Oh that's so gay. Even if you buy it you're still leasing it.

>>17354498
tesla is hot garbage and anyone who likes cars knows it

>>17352872
And get smoked so bad it isn't even funny? The model X is slow as shit nigger.

>>17354845
>isn't this why they exist?
Yes. Child locks exist because children are fucking retarded, but the average small child won't be able to open a door at highway speeds anyway because of the aerodynamic effects. The pointless software gullwing door on this car is easy to open though, and because the programmers who designed the control system are retarded, apparently it didn't feature a child lock feature.

>>17353766
>You have to take it to their service center to get fixed.
>>17354963
>Regular people can't work on Teslas

A lot of their assemblies have seals or tags. If you break any of them, the warranty is shot. If that seal or tagged item is in your way, you are unable to remove it to get to the thing y ou want to service. So you are basically forced to take things to the shop.

>>17355208
The Model X does have child locks

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> However, once we got home after 45 minutes the car was still on because the falcon door is read as open. Roadside assistance request to manually turn off car and leave door open overnight as any motion in the car would turn it back on again.
Kek you can't even turn them off?

>>17355891
Then why is there a lawsuit? It would be thrown out immediately if the feature was present and the parents just too fucking dumb to use it.

>>17352749
If this is the future, I sure am excited!

>>17355921
>lawsuit
A reddit post is not a lawsuit

>>17355925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUkAt8UIBI

>>17352864

yeah but planes are 9 figure machines made with nanoscopic tolerances by literally some of the most technologically advanced companies in the world, kept under strict maintenance by small armies of people through their entire lifespan and piloted by people who have thousands of hours of training before theyre even allowed to get inside a real one

meanwhile cars are made by any random ass company these days, maintenance consists of taking it to pep boys and changing the air filter for 20 dollars and are driven by people whose training consists entirely of taking a vehicle that practically drives itself around a corner and parking it

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>>17355914
If the girl from Dr. Stone would look like this, now that would be awesome

>>17352811
>trump gets all the poor people to vote for him
>i am ur friend lol im gonna lower tax and get ur jobs back wew
>gets elected
>does literally none of that
>wants to lower tax for rich people

Now you know how the world works.

>>17354875
It's not a question of knowledge, it's a question of having access to their proprietary computer systems and proprietary repair equipment.

>>17353376
You know Boeing has the same technology but instead of Airbus' complicated, human unfriendly design the position of the throttle maps exactly to some percentage of commanded power?

The 777 doesn't have an actual hydraulic system connected to the yoke. It's all fly by wire. But they simulate the sensation of hydraulics because they know that it is best for pilots to have as much feedback as possible and to trust that they know how to fly the fucking plane.

>>17355989
Any shop can repair Teslas, the wiring diagrams, service procedures, and scan tool software are available from Tesla, that's how body shops are able to repair them. No independents exist because Tesla loses money on service. Unless your business model is to lose more money than Tesla you aren't going to be able to open up a competing shop.

>>17355989
>it's a question of having access to their proprietary computer systems and proprietary repair equipment.
It that way it is knowledge. Tesla controls access to their intellectual property. Thus independent shops will not be competing against the Tesla "franchise" repair and body shops. Elon Musk and his management team understood how to evade franchise laws to create franchises without being regulated by certain franchise tax and income laws.

>>17356062
What are you retards even talking about? The way you are describing things is how Mercedes and BMW are doing it, not Tesla. You can replace every module on a Tesla, run the firmware, and it will program itself to the car. Even a customer could do it if they wanted to. Source: I work in a Tesla approved, independent body shop.

>>17352864
>t. not a car guy
you didn't even have to include that. it was pretty obvious that you're a clueless retard much earlier into your post.

>>17355921
You're a fucking niggerfaggot. Read the goddamn post before making retarded posts.

>>17355985

Why is it you dumbfucks have to make everything political?

Fucking Snowflake.

>>17353444

>I've run out of counter arguments, the post

>>17352749
>>they want a refund
>top wew
Yeah how entitled of them to demand a refund on their faulty purchase. Fuck the consumer amirite.

>However that night after going through the event, we cried... we could have lost so much

i have a shitty truck that has done way sketchier shit than a door open. even now i have to tell passengers where not to put their feet because the floorboard is rusted away. you are wearing a seatbelt anyways, who cares

she be trippin

>>17356149
>a woman overreacts about something, posts a blog about it and sells her story to state and national news outlets for attention sympathy and financial compensation
>oh and her cuck husband also cried probably
shocker

what the fuck is reddit and who cares about tesla

>>17355965
I work at airbus maintenance in france.
literraly laughing at your post rn.

>>17356037
>lose more money than Tesla
Many american corporations chronically run in the red as a way to avoid paying taxes. They make "profit" just fine because profit is re-worded as a business expense to be paid to investors or senior employees as bonuses.

>>17356441
>business expense to be paid to investors or senior employees as bonuses.
You realize paying stockholders comes from profits, right? Of course you don't know that. You don't have any financial knowhow whatsoever and are just spouting bullshit on the internet.

>>17355965
>nanoscopic tolerances
lol maybe—and that is a heavily emphasized maybe —the turbojet vanes but holy shit you are a naive fuck

You people do know that insurance companies are considering making Teslas uninsurable, right?

>>17356441
Cool man. What does that have to do with independent repair shops? Indy shops can exist because servicing most cars is profitable. Servicing Teslas is not profitable, the company is willing to take a loss or break even on most repairs to keep customer satisfaction high, plus it's extremely cheap for Tesla to fix their own cars vs. franchise model since they own the shops, pay the techs, etc., there isn't a mess of warranty clerks, parts distribution, etc. That's why there is no independent Tesla shop (yet at least), has nothing to do with Tesla making the cars impossible to repair. Time will tell now that the first Model Ss are falling out of warranty.

>>17356473
I would like to know more. Shame you're full of shit, though.

>>17353784
I'm surprised people don't know what the lemon law is. You're legally entitled to a full refund.

>>17356568
>You're legally entitled to a full refund.
For what, if you say your door opened on the freeway? Every state has different lemon laws. Some states say if your car has to be repaired 3 times in 1 year for the same issue, some states say if a repair takes more than 7 days, some states are the same repair within 30 days, there are all sorts of stipulations. "my door opened by itself" (which is unconfirmed and most likely not what actually happened) does not qualify for any lemon law anywhere.

>>17356473
[citation needed.]

>>17356078
>I work in a Tesla approved, independent body shop
No you don't.YOU. LYING. FUCKING. NIGGER.

>>17356535
>full of shit
lol. Okay, know nothing retard.

Just this last week, AAA raised prices on Teska owners 30%. You think that shit just comes out of nowhere? That other companies don't know about or aren't thinking the same thing about Tesla?

lol. Fucking blind retard.

The question comes down to a lot of factors. Particularly when Tesla is already marketing their "autopilot" mode. These dumb autistic advertising and marketing teams literally used the word autopilot. This has already caused fatalities.

You can hem and haw al you want but it has to do with liability and who's responsible in the event of a collision. This is why Tesla is forming an insurance division because they know they're about to be forced to include it in the price of a vehicle. They know it's coming. Don't believe me? Look that up.

I'm sure you're one of those retards that reads articles with headlines like, "Tesla is going to disrupt the insurance industry and lead to 40% less premium across the board," and think A.) that's a good thing and B.) insurance companies are just going to let that happen without doing something to fuck with them.

Lol. Fucking retard. Would you like to know more?

t. Insurance fag

>>17353784
>Tbqh if my wife fucked some black dude, yeah I'd be pretty mad.

>Divorce mad? No. That's some arrogant shit.

>>17355985
nigger we voted for him in favor of lower taxes you dipshit.

>>17354013
>/o/, the apex of shitbox drivers
>i bet you guys would be freaking out if your door opened up on the freeway!
Motherfucker half of these faggots probably dont even have doors
My first car didnt even have working brake lights
You learn to deal with it

>>17356623
>Just this last week, AAA raised prices on Teska owners 30%
That doesn't mean they're going to make Tesla uninsurable, though. It just means they raised the premiums by 30%. Insurance is a fucking joke anyway. Your people keep their algorithms and logarithms behind lock-and-key yet get mad when people accuse you of being scam artists because they can't figure out why your simple random-number-generators give massive and retarded figures.
>>17356644
The key difference being their car cost $100k+ and is basically brand fucking new. God you are a special case of stupid.

>>17356644
Or you fix it. You're a pathetic human being if you can't even get your brake lights to work

>>17356623
>full blown tism tantrum

reddit spacing

lol


lol


lol

Yeah, you really sound like an expert, I'll definitely take that post seriously.

>>17356708
>reddit spacing
not that anon but that's a common thing to use well before Reddit existed, maybe you have the autism

>>17356659
>translation: "waaaah you're scam artists because you won't let me scam you!"
lol. And yet your first call when your dumbass wrecks your shitbox is to your insurance company. God forbid you cause actual life changing damage to yourself or others in the millions of dollars and have someone else wrote a fuckin check or defend you in court. God forbid. Man those insurance companies are huge scams.

I'll add more, free of charge, since you Tesla fags are so god damned insufferable.

Do you fucking dipshits really believe Saint Elon and Tesla just magically developed something new that zero auto companies saw coming or don't know how to do? Are you really that retarded?

Fuck, go to YouTube and watch Jeremy Clarkson on Top Gear in a self driving BMW take a race track at full speed from like 6 or 7 years ago.

Teslas batteries don't even meet auto industry regulations. All this shit is quietly kept from the public, of course. Tell you what, go ask someone at the NTHSB if they would ever buy a Tesla and just try and get one of them to not laugh in your fucking face. Hell, they have to wear special suits to test their crashes.

>"hurr durr I'm gonna go buy a Tesla because this brand new car company is so much more innovative and knowledgeable than a company like BMW or MB or VAG or GM or Ford or whoever has literally been doing this for over a hundred years...that's who I'd trust mine and my family's life to. They're so innovative. None of those other companies know what they're doing."

You truly are a special kind of dumb.

>>17356751
NPR had interviews with poorly treated Tesla employees. It's "fair weather" type treatment. It seems Tesla treats them similarly to how they disdain taxes.

>>17356751
t. too poor for a tesla

>>17356751
I don't see why you think I'm defending Tesla. I said before I support that the owners want a full refund because in part I despise Musk and what the Tesla company stands for and is doing to motoring, and in part simply because it's fucking logical. They have every right to demand a refund. If you read the reddit post (it's kind of relevant to the fucking thread) the Tesla redditard PR bitch even states the refund is being processed and will take a few weeks. The OP states that she doesn't want her parents to drive it anymore because she thinks it's dangerous but it's all her parents can drive until she gets her refund to buy another car. She GOT a refund.

Retard.

>>17356858
Listen, it's not Tesla's fault they're stupid, but it IS their fault they think their faultless God King's who can do no wrong and have never taken shits that don't smell like roses.

It's because they came up during the tech boom. They're so dumb they don't realize that what they witnessed and lived through, the internet boom, was the literal birth of a completely and wholly new technology and infrastructure and businesses. And they're too autistic to realize they can't just jump into another industry and think that's all you need to do.

What the internet boom was was basically what ford and all the other car manufacturers went through at the beginning of the 20th century. The birth of a completely new industry. What Tesla is trying to do with software cars or whatever would be like if Ford, in 1930, was like, "oh well we make really great cars so we're gonna make guns too because colt doesn't know what the fuck they're doing. So...um...here's a gun that literally can't miss." Then they start marketing it like that even though none of it is true and they hire a bunch of high falutin' Madison Avenue types to travel the country by stagecoach and preach the gospel of Ford guns in the town square until the townsfolk think, "gee golly must be true."

What I'm trying to say is Tesla is like snake oil. Expensive snake oil. But snake oil at best.

>>17357000
>It's because they came up during the tech boom.
Tesla was started in 2009 to make cars, a decade after the end of the dotcom boom. Your post is one of the stupidest things I've read on the internet.
>Tesla fanboy autistic cuck virgin neckbeard!
There ya go, just wanted to get that out of the way for you so you can get on with your incredibly smart response (I couldn't care less one way or another about the company, not that it's relevant to how stupid you are).

>>17355914
Getting out of the car is what turns them off. When I worked at a tire shop I tried pulling a Tesla into the bay, and when I leaned out the window to line myself up with the square the car shut off. Took me a couple of tries to realize what was happening

>>17357033
>Yes, Elon Musk has no idea what the internet tech boom was not was he a part of such a thing.
Christ this board is younger and dumber than I thought. For the love of God...This boy has gone full retard.

>>17357033
He is saying Elon Musk is trying to force a dotcpm boom business ideology on cars, you dumb cunt.

>>17352749
Thank you for informing us about this important security issue. Automatically generated report has been sent to our software development team, who are working hard to resolve this issue, which will be released in upcoming software update. Tesla, takes security very seriously, and as result of this terrific event you will be provided with a replacement Tesla car and be qualified to receive $10,000 discount on selected Tesla product or services.

Regards,

Elon "you will still suck my dick" Musk

>>17357109
>Elon Musk is dumb because he started a car company (and several other companies) after making billions in another industry 15 years ago
>I know better than a company that's hired thousands of the brightest minds across many industries, especially automotive
>anyone who says otherwise must be younger than me, thus not as smart as me

You should let Tesla know they are on the wrong path, you could really save them a lot of money. Call them up and let them know you are 23 years old and unemployed, yet know better than some of the top engineers in the world, they will take you seriously for sure.

>>17356623
>have a captive market that's legally required to buy your product
>get billions in government gibsmedats
>make half a trillion bux in profit per year
>but that's not enough
>squeeze people for more sheckels
>keep doing it until you kill companies and market segments
Don't even pretend that your shitty industry sets rates on anything other than naked greed.

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>>17357134
>Thank you for informing us about this important security issue.

Cutting the power control loop under the hood in >>17357503 goes with the "secret" way to open Tesla hoods from outside the car as shown in >>17354695

>>17357158
>captive market
>not a market that people have the potential to literally die every time they get behind the wheel and if the other person who is liable for the incident has nothing then ooops oh well fuck you person who actually was responsible you're required to be the one to pay the millions in medical bills or the $300,000 average it costs to raise a child to the age of 18. lol. Fuck you and your requirement for insurance bruh. Some dumb duck on 4chan thinks it's theft.

>>17358212
>$300,000 average it costs to raise a child to the age of 18.
It was published in our local paper it costs approximately $450K to raise a child to age of 14 (fourteen) with much of the costs borne by the taxpayers. The cost includes social services, schools, busing, food, medical care, law enforcement, crime, infrastructure, the interest on bond issues, and the pro-rated salaries, pensions, and benefits those infrastructure employees will receive in the future.

>>17352785
>If all passengers involved were wearing seatbelts,

But the car could have unhooked them as well.

>>17357158

You are under no obligation to have motor insurance, if you don't want it don't buy it and use public transport and walk.

>>17359651
You sound racist. Immigrants can't afford it but must still use cars to support and feed their families. Insurance is also used as a way of finding and deporting immigrants. So it cannot be used for claims due to social security number. So there is no need and is actually bad for immigrants to get it. No one wants to do bad things to their family like getting deported.

>>17355985
It hasn't even been a year.....

>>17360440
Kike detected. Gtfo this website

>>17356091
He's not wrong, though

>>17356708

>muh reddit spacing argument

Not saying his argument isn't shit, because it is, but you're a turbo-newfag if you bought into the "muh reddit spacing" meme. Projection? Almost definitely.

>>17360482
He's not wrong. The government requires SSN from the insurance companies for tracking claims payments. Some illegal immigrants buy insurance but never make claims. They just need the card in case they are stopped. This works in semi-sanctuary or liberal states that don't check for citizenship when issuing driver licenses (such as washington state). That's enough to make the police go away because they are not allowed to ask if citizen or not.

Otherwise, illegals just hit and run. Because no insurance.

>>17360482
>>>/pol/

>>17360440
They should immigrate legally then

Don't break the law in the first place, etc

>>17361117
Orange hair said that and got accused by all the mexicans as raciss. Enforcing a border is racisss. Fighting crime is racisss. Where does it stop? Evidently not until they are the voting majority and can then dictate new social welfare laws not just protecting illegal immigrants but boosting social welfare. Just print more money to cover it all.

>>17361231
>MFW I myself am a spic, and I just want to gouge my eyes out every time I see/hear people defend muh imergrans

Do people not understand that they're fucking themselves up? Do they not see that they'll only make EVERYWHERE shitty and bring serious problems to the future generations/their future selves? What do they want to achieve by bringing over uneducated people with little chances of integrating to the main society?

So many of them talk all the time about how concerned they are about it all, yet when you ask them why don't they bring some poor widdle refugee into their home (since the "concentration camps" they're given are so awful), to live with them and teach them how to live a decent life, they don't even want to talk anymore, they get this goddamn "oh, now I get it" look. They know they're spouting shit, yet they still do it

What the fuck man

Sorry for the rant. Just an angry spic's view on what's going on over 'Murica an Yurop. Can't help but feel stumped at how they're letting people walk all over them in the name of "tolerance" and "progressive" bullshit

>>17361300
>Do people not understand that they're fucking themselves up?
Trump got a lot of hispanic votes concerned about the same things as you. That surprised a lot of liberals and they don't like to talk about that.

>>17356436
Obviously he was exaggerating, but it's obvious that the level of maintenance of an Aeroplane and the training of the person flying it is far greater than that of a fucking family car.

>>17354013
>opened for no reason
not "no reason", you fucking mong, he probably just didn't fully close it, or his kid opened it and lied because that's what kids do.

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Gullwing doors are unsafe.

>>17361936
>Have electronically controlled/operated door
>Don't put a speed-dependent fail-safe/lock to prevent opening at highway speeds, which can be achieved with more ones and zeros in the main cumputor

So, either there was a greater failure, because the speed lock failed to work as well, or they went FULL FUCKING RETARD and didn't implement such a basic thing

Whichever the case, it's some serious shit. There's been a problem bad enough to let something like that happen, and there can be issues with other systems as well

>>17355985
bus rider confirmed.

more like gullible wings lmao

>>17362031
Based on the lack of cable relief in the Model S moving door handles I'd guess the latter, they simply don't have a clue when it comes to basic engineering good practice,

>>17360440
It doesn't matter where you are from or what colour you are if you can't afford insurance you can't afford to drive and should take public transport or walk. We all had to do it before we were old enough to drive. I'd deport anyone who drives uninsured wherever they were born it worked with Australia.

only making me feel even more smug that i still drive a car from 1961.

>won't start
>keybang

>won't go into gear
>shove harder

>ass slides out
>turn it into a drift that shamed the Honda behind you
^that actually did happen to me once.

>>17364190
That sounds pretty racist. Don't you know that minorities only work minimum wage? They can't afford to pay auto insurance and they can't afford to lose their jobs. You just have to understand their plight.

>>17364190
>I'd deport anyone who drives uninsured wherever they were born it worked with Australia.

You stand a good chance at being fired or not re-elected to office. The minorities are the majority vote in some precincts. They typically gang up against anyone that doesn't vote the way they want with their racism accusations.

That's why politicians sometimes do the wrong thing and just do what the hispanics want. Staying in office is more important than enforcing the law.

>>17364256
>minorities only work minimum wage?
Don't be so racist, orange is a minority and he takes a lot of money.

>>17364279
It's not just minorities that drive without insurance, blacks and spics do it as well.

>>17364190
>if you can't afford insurance you can't afford to drive
When insurance is used as the method to make it unaffordable for immigrants to live in the USA, then that is racist and must be avoided.

>>17366645
But I thought race was a social construct and didnt exist

>>17364190
>deport anyone who drives uninsured wherever they were born it worked with Australia.
Doesn't work in the USA in my very liberal state. A lot of times, deports occur, but they just come right back and are living with their relatives again in a week or two. Sent to Mexico, they still have money, so they just get close to the border and hop over. They can then get picked up by anchoring family members and are right back to driving without a license or insurance.

>>17366645
Is it still racist if they're white immigrants?
Or immigrants of color with lots of money?

>>17364871
Who said anything about Drumpf? You STILL sound even more racist and ableist, shaming a guy with a congestive skin condition like that. He actually has a skin disorder, lol.

>>17354045
Those buttons are right in front of the second row seats in the Model X, and look like a thing a kid would love to play with.

>>17367372
>white immigrants
Anon, you silly!

Everybody knows that no white person in history has ever been poor or suffered in any way. And neither did they ever have a real reason to move beyond their little towns

Those "immigrants" that aren't black or "tanned" are merely pretending

>>17367443
>ableist
Real talk, what the fuck does that even mean? How do you pronounce it? Is it a-bull-ist or a-blee-ist?

>I don't feel safe driving the car!

https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/13/tesla-model-x-earns-a-perfect-nhtsa-safety-rating/

I really despise the fact Tesla exists.

Tech companies can magically appear that is fine.

But when they use the same logic with a car company you risk peoples lives.

Ffs we regulate automobile companies so much for a good reason.

This shit is dangerous.

100% that tesla driver is a jew

what really is the point of the vertical opening doors? if you are talking about getting in and out of tighter spots, arent the front doors traditional horizontal opening, so its pointless? anywhere tight the back doors can open, doesnt matter because the driver still has to get out.

i bet you tesla wants their vehicles to be used and known as Uber machines... makes sense with the door thing.

>>17367626
>highest safety ratings in both segments their cars are in
>meanwhile Toyota and Chevrolet just went through major recalls with dozens of deaths caused by poor design decisions
Hmmm

>>17361956
So what's unsafe here?

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>>17352749
>While on the phone with roadside assistance, I head a click in the door and the motor as the door started to lift open
Thank god my car has no computers in it deciding what it's going to do.
>we were all severely traumatized by that event
Fucking hell.

>>17367605
The one time I heard it spoken IRL, it was a-bull-ist.

>>17352749
>door opens on a highway
Hasn't everyone done that for fun a couple times?

apparently the doors are just bloodthirsty
https://youtu.be/TdPPp3hoGQ8

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>>17367493
On any modern car there is a kidnapper lock but because its a tesla it was probably buried under a bunch of menus.

>>17352749
redid is probly all
>DUDE THATS JUST A PRICE TO PAY TO MOVE THE FUTURE OF DRIVING OUT OF THE STONE AGE LMAO

If you have kids in the back seat this is not ok.

However I hate tesla so I'm biased.

>>17367747
>what really is the point of the vertical opening doors?
The uppermost corner of those vertical car doors better not swing up too far or they hit the ceiling of parking garages. Some garages have the absolute minimum clearance. You might say, hey, the ceiling is 11.5 feet as required. But remember that pipes and other things also occupy the ceiling space in some locations. If that door swings up and hits a fire sprinkler, that would be total yuck for the tesla owner. The pipes are full of bacteria-laden rusty water.

>>17368763
Plus they would be faced with a substantial bill for damages caused. The sprinkler heads are cheap but the re-certification of a system after a discharge is a fuckton and a half.

>>17366645
Try living in a decent country where it is illegal to discriminate against a person because of race then. Just because you live in a third world country don't blame a sensible law on insurance for the discrimination of others. Hell if you feel so passionate about it campaign to your local representative if as people say they pander to the "minorities" so much, or pay for the insurance on an immigrant's car for them. We could go all out and have the simplistic most effective and cheapest system, scrap private insurance and nationalist it,pay for the cost of it with a tax on fuel and automatically cover everyone. But that level of common sense and fairness triggers the capitalist snowflakes who own politicians and the press.

>>17355985
Nigger spotted

>>17367783
They aren't cars they are appliances.

You are comparing real car companies that sell hundreds of thousands of vehicles every year to a meme company predominantly selling cars to new money upper management former poor fags at a rate of like 1500 cars a month.

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This thread really showed me I shouldn't take any of you idiots seriously.

Some of you, yes, but good god you fucking niggers are dumb.

>hurrr durrrrrrrrrr doors opening is completely fiine
>who the fuck cares, fix it yourself
>huuuuuurrrr $100k paid and expecting doors to stay closed, wat r u an idiot

Fuck me, no wonder this board is shit on by everyone on 4chan. Like I'm legit fucking mad, surely none of you are this god damn retarded.

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>>17369055
You must want to create a monetary system like this then.

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>>17369055
>have the simplistic most effective and cheapest system
>scrap private insurance and nationalist
>automatically cover everyone including all illegal immigrants

You're another one of those "just print more money" wankers.

>>17369578
>Like I'm legit fucking mad
Lmao

>>17366645
fuck off nigger

>>17356588
If you read the post. The car was in for multiple repairs.

>>17353236
Boeing also uses fly by wire but they make it fly like a traditional plane. The 777 is one of the safest planes in the world.

>>17371267
>Boeing also uses fly by wire
Boeing vehicles require extensively trained drivers that are periodically retested while passenger cars do not have this.

Boeing vehicles have two drivers of which one is labeled the pilot and the other is the co-pilot. Passenger cars do not have this requirement to support the fly by wire system.

The computers in Boeing planes are far more expensive than those in a passenger car.

A passenger car does not have four redundant watchdogged computers.

A passenger car does not have multiple duplicate control wire systems.

A passenger car does not have a large number of control panels with switches and breakers to access fly by wire subsystems directly in case the main computer has anomalies.

The Boeing system is a zillion times more expensive than what is used in a passenger car, so please do not use Boeing as justification for cars having drive by wire.

>>17354013
I wish, i can now only one of the four doors of my shit box, i have to enter through the left passenger door to drive kek

>>17372032
Passenger vehicles have never been subject to the engineering requirements of cars. Hydraulic steering failure doesn't mean you crash into the ground and kill hundreds of passengers.

If you drive a car with an electronic throttle body or electric power steering or EFI you're putting your faith in electrical systems.

The electronics in a car are honestly trivial compared to literally anything else in computing. They can be verified much more easily. Infotainment is the only thing that is really complex.

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>californian couple in their late 20's
>probably work in tech sector
>voted for hillary/bernie
>think their child could've been killed because a door opened on their 120k$ laptop

good riddance

>>17372719
If you drive a car with a mechanical throttle body or hydraulic power steering or a carburetor you're putting your faith in outdated systems.

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>be a little shit
>open car doors on the interstate on purpose

are they sure the kid wasn't just pressing the open door button? I wouldn't be surprised if it's supposed to not let you do that though.

>>17372747
I drive a 98-00 LS400 senpai. Electrical systems can be more reliable than mechanical ones. I just think that the recent trend that everything needs to be a touch screen is retarded from a UX perspective.

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>>17372729

>$1.30

>>17352864
>not a car guy
Yes, we know. Your point about airplanes is completely retarded because 1)they are not hugely mass produced, so each one can be meticulously inspected by engineers, B) they are extremely expensive machines that can potentially kill hundreds if something goes wrong. Cars are not comparable with planes.

>>17352761
Our family 2000 honda Odyssey has always had door issues. One of the door motors goes out so they don't close all the way

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>>17372751
>normal mechanical door handles require at least a 10 year old's strength to open
>every fucking surface and control in the Tesla is capacitive, meaning a baby's hand brushing up against it as he flails around can open the door on the highway

>>17355914
kek teslas are so fucking gay

>>17354664

>he has a BS in ANYTHING

wow take him seriously guys hes an expert.

>>17352749
>tesla is shit
>and tesla buyers are preppy retards
well tell me something i didnt know

>>17372931
There are good things and bad things about Teslas.

The people that are ghey are the ones that take it to extremes. Certainly Tesla would not make money if not for the taxpayers subsidizing not just the production but the purchases. That's where Elon Musk and investors are making a ton of money from - the taxpayers.

At some point, when the industry is mature enough, these taxpayer subsidies should be turned off for the company, but not for the buyers. That should still give enough incentive.