Soobaroo

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Because the WRX costs less than the BRZ but is superior in every way. This shit is an outright insult to our intelligence. Where do they get off doing this?

>>17345274
The WRX costs more though.

>This shit is an outright insult to our intelligence. Where do they get off doing this?
Do you think the corporate bosses have a dart board of prices and just see what gets hit? It's all supply and demand plus prices of factors of production.

>in b4 head gaskets

To answer your question it is that it isnt that people don't like subaru, they dont like You-bru starting threads all the time just so you can validate to yourself that they are good cars. Maybe start an interesting subaru thread instead of "WHY DOENSNT EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGE SUBIE WITH MEEEE?!?! #184747" and you'll see.

>>17345260
Subaru are one of the most popular manufacturers on this board. People gripe about the brz and the latest stis sure but that's about it. Maybe it's the culture that the following exudes?

>>17345319
I rarely ever see Subaru threads that aren't central to the 86-twin. And nobody here ever talks about the WRX aside from vape/snapback shitposting.

Everyone is too concerned with Burgerkingring laptimes and supercar shitposting to talk about anything they can afford. I thought I'd mix it up a little and make a Subaru thread.

KEK,

>BRZ
>Starting at €51.295
http://www.subaru.nl/subaru-brz

>WRX STI
>Starting at € 90.095
http://www.subaru.nl/wrx-sti

At these prices I might as well just buy a BMW.

But that might just be my country.

So I check Germany and Belgium as they have way less taxation on cars:
>33k for BRZ
>42k for WRX STI

Guess I'm just a Europoor.

>>17345359
Poor nederlander. I'm American so those are my prices, I forgot to put dollar signs in my post.

How expensive is an M3 there? For comparison's sake.

>msrp 28k
Yeah, because 28k is "young people" prices.

I can order myself a 2000 subbie that's jdmtyte fresh from japan for 10k, save me the other 18k for whores.

Subaru drivers ruin Subarus

>>17345372
I drive a Crosstrek and don't go to organic free range gluten free yoga

>>17345364
€ 113.520,00
M3 coupe :(

But I could probably get a very nice older M3 for 50k euro's.

It's pretty sad because I know that I would never be able to afford a car like this as income taxes go up to 52% for everything you earn more than 52k a year.

>>17345377
Those rims...that color....are you a nigger?

>>17345392

....its a subaru dipshit

>>17345364
I found out how the Subaru WRX STI becomes 90k in my country.

MSRP: €35.273
Tax: €7407
Special tax on cars and motor vehicles €45.633.
This adds up to a total of 91k euro's.

>>17345428

thats pretty cuck

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>>17345428
>45 thousand euros of tax

>>17345455
*a little bit over 53k euros on tax total :^)

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>>17345428
>150% tax rate

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>>17345468
>An entire cheap house worth of tax

>>17345366
>implying that importers are not niggers that scam autists like you.

sure go ahead kiddo.

>>17345260

because Boxer engines are complete shit, its a inherently poor design to have pistons sideways so oil can pool in one corner of the valve covers. nevermind ringland and headgasket issues. i was a mechanic for nearly a decade, any Subaru car that came in you could expect to at least see early HG issues and you would just spray off the leaking oil from the gasket with brake clean

the only Subaru i own and will ever own is a Sambar, theyre actually good and one of the better Kei trucks. whenever some kid in a GC8 or Forester flies by me giving thumbs up its partial cringe because i hate every other Subaru but Justy and Sambar lol

>>17345482
>Doesn't know about rotating the engine
>I've been a mechanic for 10 years
Skrublord, I bet you're lying.
Also hating on the GC8 is TREASON.

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>>17345260
Subaru fucked up when they didn't introduced pic related turbocharged. It was a mom car with STI style. It was the biggest disappointment in my adult life.

The Toyobaru is a reincarnation of the 2.5RS

>>17345509
At least you can STI swap it.

>>17345522
This, there you go a DIY STi coupe. You can now pretend your Bunta, have fun with the Cigarette bill.

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>>17345532
It's my dream once I have the money and time to buy a rusted out 20 year old scoob and STI bits. For ultimate shits and giggles, I'd jam a EG33 in it and do silly things to that.

>>17345522
You can swap it now. But you couldn't do it then.

But you're too young to know that.

>>17345564
I know that. STIs weren't in the US until 2004.

The fanbase drags the cars down. They're either:
-well off free range organic hippie lezbo/fag
-vape nation snapback wearing retards
-morons who think they're off roaders

Which one are you OP? Doesn't matter. You're all insufferable and should be gassed.

>>17345569
You're an idiot if you let any fanbase ruin a car for you

>>17345594
What about evo and civic fans?

>>17345260
>what are the miata, fiata, challenger, charger, camaro, and mustang
>implying people do not like Subaru

>>17345386
Damn dude that's a steep price. In America a new M3 sedan runs $64k.

>It's pretty sad because I know that I would never be able to afford a car like this as income taxes go up to 52% for everything you earn more than 52k a year.
That's the price you pay for having a large social program state. The government will pay for your medicine, education, etc. but it all comes out of your taxes and the higher incomes get taxed more.

I personally prefer the way we do it. I'd actually prefer lower taxes and lower social program spending but I'll take what I can get.

>>17345428
>Special tax on cars and motor vehicles
>the "special tax" is more than the car itself
Christ on the cross

>>17345598
So what, I'd get an evo or an integra type r. I don't give a fuck who else owns one

>>17345609
Good on you. That's how I feel about Subarus.

>>17345601
>>what are the miata, fiata, challenger, charger, camaro, and mustang

>Miata
Entry level sports car much like the BRZ, good car for low price
>Fiata
See above but Fiat badged and slightly different tuned suspension and different engine
>Challenger
In the only respectable format (V8) out of entry level price range
>Charger
See above
>Camaro
See above (and the most glaringly expensive of them all, running nearly $40,000)
>Mustang
See above

Once you pass 30k you're heading into middle-manager salary prices which aren't available to most young people.

>>17345569
I'm a rich yobbo with parents that bought me an STi. I study medicine and don't vape.
Roast me, I double dog dare you.

>>17345669
>I double dog dare you.
Aw shiet it's on now

Not him but I'll go first
>parents bought your car

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I drive an old beater Subaru and it's treated me very well even though it has almost half a million km on it.
I agree the vape-wagon fanbase and head gasket memes exist but you don't have to become that just from owning one. Drive whatever you enjoy.

>>17345676
Was honestly a surprise, I was content to drive my meme mobile around for a couple more years. I ain't gunna say no to a new car though.

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AYO HOL UP
*blows headgasket
YOU BE SAYIN
*understeers
FINNA
*Burns oil
WE BE LIKE
*loses torque
KNOWHAHIMSAYIN
*Trunk sticks
YO
*Quarter panel rusts off
WE WUZ RALLY AND SHEEIT

>>17345693
Lucky you. I wouldn't say no either. In all fairness by dad offered to pay for half of my first car but I wanted it to be completely mine in both name and spirit. It was also only 1,500 dollars.

>>17345701
crossposting newfag pls go and stay go

>>17345475
It's a 100% tax rate though

>>17345707
Same
I guess I'll just have to fit the stereotype now. I've kinda been avoiding letting my poorfag friends see my car, since they complain about being poor students all the time.

>>17345720
>7407+45633=53040

car is 35273

53040/35273=150.37~%

how do you even get 100% when even the "special tax" is over 100%

>>17345701
Top kek

>>17345746
Merely pretending to be retarded. There was that thread a couple weeks ago, hundreds of replies arguing over what percent increase in drive wheels 4wd is over 2wd.

>>17345626
fastback gt starts at 33k
not like the 3k over is gonna break the bank

>>17345379
are you a lesbian though

>>17345733
As long as you don't act like an asshole by bringing up how great your car is and how much better it is than their shitboxes at every opportunity I wouldn't worry too much about it. Good friends would feel glad for you and maybe give you some shit about the stereotype if their gearheads.

>>17345569
Lol I'm the moron thinks I'm an off roader

If you live in a snowy state a Subru is just about the best type of car for safe driving because AWD + snow tires is maximum winter grip

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Great cars when looked after, too bad they usually never are. Been looking for a clean 2.5rs coupe for the last 6 months, if I can't find a decent example in the next 4 months I'll just settle with a CRZ for daily commuting

>>17345274
>This shit is an outright insult to our intelligence.
SHUT YOUR MOUF

>>17345701
>/pol/ posting outside of /pol/

This should be an auto-ban offense on any board.

>>17345260
Current BRZ owner here. The car is garbage. Don't fall for the 'it has enough power'. Butt mad owners just say that cause they don't want to admit they fell for the meme.

The transmissions are garbage and are failing left and right.

>>17346016
>they don't want to admit they fell for the meme
Says the guy that fell for the meme, how about some proper research before blindly buying cars

>>17346031
I did my research, and test drove the car for almost 20 minutes. I made a conscious decision to buy the car despite the lack of power, because I wanted something disposable.

>>17346038
>because I wanted something disposable
Why the HECK did you not buy a 3k civic, and what transmission problems do you speak of

>>17345833
>not turning your commute into a rally
>not being the coolest kid in parking lots after snowstorms
>being too poor to pay someone to remove snow in your driveway

>>17346043
Old cars are not reliable.

>>17346054
>Old cars are not reliable
A 3k civic would be alot more reliable than the "problematic" BRZ you have

>>17346054
a Miata will outhandle and outlast a BRZ.
they could both have headgasket problems and the Miata will still last longer

>>17346038
>Bought a new car
>Disposable

What.

>>17346069
How do we know that? The BRZ hasn't been out long enough to shit on its reliability

>>17346075
He probably leased an automatic and wonders why it's aufully slow

>>17346016
If you drive it like a bitch, then yeah it's slow. I thoroughly enjoy my BRZ in traffic and backroads.

>>17345260
I love my wrx. This board doesn't hate subies they just like to make fun of vapefags and lately it's been cool to shit on toyobarus because the 86 came out

>>17346083
I paid cash for a manual.

>>17346109
So how is your transmission garbage and or falling apart?

>>17346109
Then put it in sport mode and recline it you faggot.

>>17346088
>>Internet badass thinks throttling the piss out of
his high schoolers car makes him not a little bitch.

>>17346123
Spend 5 minutes on the forums. People are reporting failures as early as 17k miles.

People, including me, are reporting throw out bearing issues from day one.

>>17345260
>BRZ has enough enough power

What did they mean by this?

>>17346137
Maybe you shouldn't be launching the shit out of you're car to keep up with others at stoplights, either that or just poor shifting habits. Why have you not taken to dealer for warranty? Something is not right or you are leaving something out because TOB's don't go bad day 1
>>17346144
It does have enough power, unlike the Miata. It's just geared alot different

>>17346152
No.

>>17346152
It started making noise within the first 500 miles. I have taken it to the dealer twice, and they 'don't hear it'.

>>17346163
>I have nothing better to say
There anon, was that so hard?

>>17346171
You're just objectively wrong about it having enough power.

>>17346170
Did you go on test drive with the technician? What is the sound like a rusty spring or like rattling cans?
>>17346172
You're someone that has never driven one

>>17346178
No, it isnt the clutch pivot. Its either TOB or Input Shaft bearing.

I've demonstrated it to the tech. There is a clear and distinct noise difference (whirring) between clutch depressed & not at idle in neutral.

>>17346195
Did you get any sound out of it infront of the technician? You need to stop being a timid kid about it or go see another dealer that will actually help

>>17345752
I remember this, lmao.

>>17346178
I don't need to drive one. I'm sure they're plenty fun to drive. They just need a different engine and more power.

Imagine if Toyota and Subaru had either never partnered, and/or Subaru was actually willing to let the BRZ compete with WRX sales?

You can't say you wouldn't be overjoyed to hear the BRZtS was getting an FA20F or that the 86TRD would have something like a bigger 1.8L Supercharged engine the Yaris GRMN is getting?

>>17346215
I would be happy with more power but I'm content with a good set of pilot supersports, hawk hps brakepads,UEL header and tune.

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>>17346152
>It does have enough power, unlike the Miata.
>Miata is faster than BRZ
What did he mean by this?

>>17346223
How much do the headers and tune even give you? Modified cars are a whole other animal.

>>17346229
Did you read the rest of my post involving the gearing? Doesn't the miata hit 60 on second gear or some shit?
>>17346231
Not sure I have not dyno'd it, I'd say a solid 20hp gain. Would have got Vortech supercharger to go with it but ended up getting an sti for different kind of enjoyment

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>>17346244
>Miata 0-60
5.8s
>BRZ 0-60
6.1s (MT)
7.3s (AT)

>>17346267
That's actually good comparison, they're both equally slow.

>>17346267
>Miata does it in 5.8 seconds

what model/power/engine etc? concerning how my Z4 is only .3s quicker.

>>17346295
2016MY, 2.0L, 155hp

>>17346312
Parkers states 7 seconds for both the soft top and the RF. Where are you getting 5.8 from?

>>17346389
Car and Driver.
2015 model with the 1.5 did it in 7.I don't remember. Maybe they're measuring that one.

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the miata is faster, the 370z is a better GT car and le ameican mussle exist if you want to look like a failed normie

>>17346405
Wrx is better than those two

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>>17346410
lel

>>17346440
You took picture of neighbor's car?

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>>17346447
no I saved that on from the internet???

>>17346450
What was implied with that post?

>>17346402
unless im mistaken or looking at totally the wrong car, evo, parkers and autocar put it at between 7 and 7.3.

5.8 seconds is ambitious for a 155bhp car, that would make it only a second slower than the M135i, a car with 320bhp.

Mind you this is all irrelevant, who the fuck buys a Miata or a BRZ to drag race with?

>>17346455
that a wrx isn't better than a 370z or a miata

you could make the argument for the STi, specially the special editions, but the wrx alone is just a 4wd econobox

>>17346463
But you posted a Nismo and not a 370

>the wrx alone is just a 4wd econobox
An idiot

>>17346456

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTY9sRQdZHk

>>17346466
>a nismo 370 is not a 370
???

>>17346480
>a wrx isn't a 4wd econobox
lel

>>17346485
Ah yes, that 700bhp turbo LS1 swap factory option from Mazda

>loses anyway

kek

>>17346490
Because a wrx is the same as the sti? The wrx is cheaper and better performance value than 370z at the cost of looking like a new camry with hoodscoop

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>>17346500
>wrx is the same as the sti

no it isn't you autist

The outback is masterrace. I wish us amerilards could have it in diesel

>>17346510
I was asking you not telling, reading comprehension isn't a thing in Lithuania? You posted that Nismo making implications it was a regular 370z better than wrx, it's the same dumb comparison you made

>>17346516
Congrats, you actually have autism

>>17346520
Congrats you can't even read a sentence properly

>>17346494
You asked who buys a miata to drag race it, lol. People who intend to LS or Coyote swap it.

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>>17346522
What? Is your autism really this bad?

>>17346535
It's not too bad, I'm just able to hide it better than you

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>>17346539
#rekt

>>17346525
i....can't really refute that.

i was implying the miata and the BRZ are more suited to twisty mountain passes and the like and thus, raw acceleration times are not that important.

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>>17346539
I don't have to hide anything since I am not autistic???

>>17346560
No one invited you to this conversation

>>17346611
You are easily the most autistic person here after Mrcummy.

>>17346611
I expected a better response 10 minutes later, let this be a quiet defeat between the three of us. Continue with your day and make sure to take the medication!

>>17345260
Mazda is more performance oriented, every vehicle they sell ends up being called the most fun car in their given segment.

>>17346619
no? thats Prezo

I can't be on that list since I don't have the 'tism

>>17346620
>"Heh a-another internet v-victory, c-checkmate Cancer!"

holy shit, you really do have autism

>>17345260
Poorfags can't afford new cars. Benchracing and $3k pov pack Civics are all that matter here.

>>17346628
>Claims to not be autistic
>Shitposts constantly
>Changes name constantly to avoid filter
>Spams anime at a level that makes even me a weeb blush

You're in deep spectrum country. Anytime I feel autistic I remember people lke you exist and feel downright normal.

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>>17345260
>These are basically the best most overlooked cars on the /o/ market.

young car enthusiasts don't buy new cars, and if they do they are absolute fools

You can get SO MUCH car for $28k on the used car market.

What a well timed thread, I just got two job offers at a Subaru dealership. Call center type job or detailer type job. What should I do, /o/? Detailer gets more money by $3 but at a flat rate, while the caller gets commissions.

>>17346796
How much exactly for each position? Detailing isn't gonna be easy work tbqh especially at a dealer. Call centre is good experience especially for a resume, call center jobs pay very well even if this one doesn't take the call centre and look at other call centre jobs in a year and see how well they pay with requirement of 1 years experience. Detailer will get you nowhere in longrun

>>17345372
I pass more Subarus over double yellow in winter in WNY than anything else by far.

>>17345833
You mean a Camry in snowshoes.

It's always a Subie slowing down traffic on highways in the snow, which is not safe.

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>>17345428
jesus christ what a fucking shithole of a country...
I trully feel sorry for you anon, maybe it's time you consider moving literally anywhere else. Even here in Romania gypsiville auto enthusiast life is better.

>>17346816
12/Hr + commission call center, 15/Hr detailer.

Sounds good, thanks for the advice anon. The guy sounded like he wanted a call center person anyway, referencing somebody that was leaving for Oregon with her husband for the husband's job. I'm pretty excited desu even if this is really just a stopgap job until I (hopefully) get selected by the navy to be a pilot sometime in the fall or spring.

>>17345274
>but is superior in every way

I daily a '17 WRX and I don't believe you.

To have fun with a WRX you have 3 options:
>be on a track
>be in snow
>be okay with massive speeding tickets

IMO the car is set up to handle 350+whp (minus the brakes, they don't impress) so trying to break it loose from the road in normal conditions is hard and tends to involve more throwing the car at a corner too fast than rolling onto the throttle mid corner and getting some nice oversteer.

TLDR: WRX is fast but probably not more fun than a BRZ

>>17346869
People get angry when I mention that the wrx has a loose noodle steering while the brz has a nice tight response to it making it better on tight turns coming in hot. Have you driven both I'd like an honest opinion

>>17346876
Haven't driven both but the new the new WRX (at least I assume it isn't just mine) has fairly nice steering. It's heavy, precise, and, for an electric system, provides pretty good road feel.

I also don't really notice the understeer that a lot of people complain about though the '15+ cars will brake the inside wheel(s?) on a corner to counter that. Also: I wonder if that's down to them not knowing anything about weight transfer / trying to drive it like a RWD car.

>>17346939
When I test drove a 15 wrx I didn't notice any difference with the 05 sti I ended up getting, the steering requires alot more input than the BRZ could just be AWD car problems not sure since this is my first. I like how at high speeds it's really planted to the ground giving alot of confidence even if it's false on a tight turn. Have not pushed it as hard as my BRZ because it's alot of car on tight small roads and don't want to wreck my shit. Maybe some pilot supersports would help alot more than the Kumo tires that came with it

>>17346869
I found that the WRX has the perfect amount of Horsepower for daily fun. It's powerful enough to go fast and still have some in reserve but it's not totally wasted like a big ass vee aite who could go on the highway in 2nd gear.

>>17345359
Fuck me. Here they cost half the price, and unlike 3rd world Americans, we actually earn a decent income

>>17346994
IIRC journos call the BRZ steering some of the best in any car on the market today so perhaps that's a high standard to be holding a hopped up econobox to.

>>17347039
I don't disagree so much as I feel like the car has chassis, tires, and suspension meant to get the car around a corner at speeds that will get you arrested and summarily executed should you try it on a public road and not enough power to break the rear end loose on a whim. (shitty rear tires will probably solve the problem)

>>17347118
I see what you mean. The WRX really can be pushed well beyond the "legal limit" with ease much in the same way a 600CC sport bike can be pushed well beyond the "legal limit" with ease.

If you're looking to go full out but stay within legal limits I'd easily say the BRZ is the best option, and if you crave a bit more power in it like most people do you can buy a decent turbo. Unfortunately at "decent turbo" prices you start running into the thought that "maybe I should have bought a car with more power to begin with".

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>>17345260

>>17346673
>young car enthusiasts don't buy new cars
Maybe poor ones don't

Find Revolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAnpIevA1xY

>>17345260
right bro. i dont get the hate. there is nothing better than hoppin in my
sub, ridin hard and rippin my vape. i love it

>>17347287
I hope this isn't you, that video is very cringey

I would consider a BRZ, but at the same time I could use the money to get a decent MR2, fix it up nice, and kill myself in style

>>17347328
I POSTED IT AGAIN MOM!!!!

>>17345260

But I could buy something better second hand for "young people prices"

>>17347236
Yeah some of it might be a gearing thing too. You can't even top out 2nd gear within the speed limit on most public roads.

>>17347255
>we want NA feels meme

thats where they fucked up. NA cucks are delusional

>>17347236
>Unfortunately at "decent turbo" prices you start running into the thought that "maybe I should have bought a car with more power to begin with".
New?
At say ~36k there's still no light FR to consider

>>17346833
>>17346848
Probably retards that think
>hurr AWD I don't need snow tires

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>>17345260
> How many fucking times will my car leak oil and how much oil does it burn?

INFINITY

> Car knocking all the time, better not have any fun
> Struts and all suspension clunks and shits itself
> Entire car is like being in a shopping cart every time you go on a road that isn't immaculate (sounds like one)

Should I go on?

>>17345274
A completely base wrx would be more expensive than an optioned out wrx but used the brz and frs are always cheaper because the vapers tax.

>>17345334
You are the biggest faggot I've seen on this board.

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>>17348072
I'll talk subaru
I have the 04 STI shown >>17348026
Went to install a new defi oil pressure sensor under the alternator and when putting the belt back on, the fucking bracket snapped. Cheap shit metal. Cost me $62 for a new one and had to remove the power steering pump to remove it.