/ORG/ - Off Road General

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Should I buy one?

>>17333303
H3/Wrangler hybrid?

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>>17333311

Just a gussied up Wrangler.

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>>17333294
I'd like to thank our official sponsor, anon's shop cat.

>>17333316
Looks dumb. Get two.

>>17333294
Considering getting that OM602 swapped into my Land cruiser
>inb4 consider suicide

Spent 8 hrs today on the front axle and dropped a bearing into the front differential. I literally haven't eaten anything today and need to wake up in 6 hrs. Probably just delerious from the Diff fluid and brake cleaner smells

>>17333770
The first time I smelled gear oil, it was the worst smell I had ever experienced. Now I find it comforting.

>>17333790
Y O U A R E N O T A L O N E

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Soon......

Out of curiosity, how many Canucks or Americans, living on the west coast and the Pacific northwest. Who are on here?

>>17333025
>$3500
Could have spent less on an older Tahoe with the same amount of miles. And wouldnt have to look at all that beergut body trim that denali has.

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>>17333963
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>17333294
My 2 TJ's

>>17334260
>not yellow
>not YJs
What are you even doing with your life?

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>>17334273
Yellow YJ'S are for faggots
Sorry not a faggot....... Though, this is my other car

>>17334286
>2 jeeps that aren't yellow
>Both marked "Infidel"
>I-im not a faggot!!!
You cant fool us.

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Am i welcome here?

75 series landcruiser 4.2l diesel

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>>17334606
Fucking, ausie. Jump in the fucking discord!

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1kz hilux. Goes alright for a 14 year old utility.

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>>17334885
Huh, you guys got the 1KZ for that model of Hilux? We only had the 2KD 2.5 litre

Would've preferred the 1KZ

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Hate pls. I just like it because I have never seen another diesel GM truck of this generation driving around.

Has insane low end torque though

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>>17333996
have a house in portland
i can't even recognize what portland has turned into
been living in commiefornia for the past 5years

>>17333790
>>17333930
gear oil's alright. used gear oil is weird. used gear oil mixed with mud / mouldy pond water is horrendous

>>17334913
thoughts on OM602s?

>>17334606
>>17334807
I thought you guys got banned because of that?

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>>17334924
Eh... clunky, heavy and low ouput, but durable as all hell, widely available and takes turbocharging nicely

A bit too many chains for my liking, but it works and you rarely have to do anything with them

I kinda prefer the OM617 as I have more experience with it, the simple reason being that there are more of them here

>>17334930
80 HP, 130 torque. Heard of someone putting it in a 3rd gen 4runner.

I'm looking at the OM602 for the FJ80 as a possibility especially with the turbocharging. However, OM617 alternative fuel would be nice because I can just keep 5 gallons of bacon grease in my vehicle instead of spare diesel.

>>17334913
That hilux is also a non intercooled turbo diesel whereas the prados for whatever reason had the intercooled version.
No clue why they were different.

You poor bastards were robbed if you didn't get the 1kz. They're bulletproof

>>17334916
Those flares are disgusting.

>>17334958
6.5 diesel more than doubles those figures even with it's pathetic factory turbo and no intercooler.

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>>17334958
We ran/run the G240's in our military on F34 multifuel/JP-8 jet fuel; which is just kerosene mixed with a little bit of diesel. All the diesel engines, fuel stoves and jet engines in our armed forces run the fuel. You lose a good bit of power and throttle response, but it never freezes and you can use it to poison an annoying company member, as two drops of it on a slice of bread will give him diarrhea for two days straight

I imagine bacon grease/veggie oil would work quite similar, minus the poison part

>>17334976
Tell me about it - we had the first iteration of the 1KZ in the 4Runner up until 1995, when the 4Runner itself was discountinued

2KD is alright, but as mine is a first gen. with 102hp/240nm its still a tad too weak when you're doing the heaviest loads and towing over a tonne on anything but flats. I plan on switching to a 1KD 3.0l with 170hp/410nm when I get the chance

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>>17334996
Us Canadians got the G270 with the 2.7 turbo. Been in them before and they sound fantastic That's an OM612 that they use for the Dodge / Mercedes Sprinters which I kinda want to buy off some scrapper for cheap. Go slow and sip fuel?

When did you serve for Norway and why the hell did you feed people diesel? Geez I thought our MREs were bad [spoiler]omelette du fromage [/spoiler]

I'm going to iceland in July with bae bae the way. FJ150 time?

>>17334982
Berhaps. Vulcan swap idea but I haven't seen any.
Honestly, I like the low torque and slow speed range with the 25-35MPG possibility. I don't think torque is an issue on these old I-5 mercs. But then again I don't really know anything.

>>17334916
>>17334977
Your dubs are the truth. Sadly they were there when I got it and it is the last thing on my list to do. New plugs and injectors this weekend and turbo rebuild soon after. Then egt, boost, and tach gauges. Then maybe worry about aesthetics.

>>17334996
D4D a shit. Not really but we had recalls due to injector seals shitting themselves for absolutely no reason.

Also fuck EGR delete that shit as soon as you can if you do go with the 1KD

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>>17335032
With the 612 turbo? Alright engines with ok output, but they were always kinda in the "middle" and forgotten, sadly

I had my mandatory service in Brigade North, our main force which is located up north. Served in the SBBN, or "communications battalion". Communications, setting up com-camps, equipment, repeaters and whatnot... nothing particularly interesting, but it could've been worse

And I never said I poisoned anyone... more that there were dumbasses who were tending to the fuel-powered tent heater while also eating lunch or something, spilling drops onto their food and not noticing/not thinking about it.

Our MRE's aren't bad, plenty of variety and it feeds well. I'll admit that I truly hated the oatmeal & berry-mix that I often got in the breakfast package

Enjoy Iceland.... I wanna go at one point too, but that'll be some time as I currently wanna spend the money on more important life stuff/my own Toyota

>>17335066
Bleh, didn't see your response until

They had issues with that here too - plenty of injectors going to shit and fucking up the engine. I'm always paying attention to my fuel usage incase it ever happens to mine, but its holding up

As for EGR delete - nah, don't wanna have to enable that again for every inspection, plus it'll suck ass if I am ever caught. I'm also very careful about running my engine to a good operating temperature, using my engine heater and so on

>>17335032
25MPG in anything lighter than a Suburban with a 6.5 should be no problem, I doubt you'd see close to the 35 mark though.
But again, more than double the HP and triple the torque of the old I-5s. 6.5s were great for low end power and even in stock form make better low end than the Duramax.

>>17335093
You can be as careful as you want but that shitty emissions EGR will clog up eventually.

>>17335032
>taytay sprinter
y tho

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>>17334928
Banned for what?

>>17334996
>diarrhea for two days straight

Indistinguishable from mess hall chow

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>>17336477
'the fuck kinda shit do they feed you?

Here the problem was opposite; too many guys coming from eating nothing but junk food, candy, potato chips, going to quite solid, "healthy" food with tons of fibre, and meals very regularly plus MRE's that are even tougher on the stomach

People were shitting solid logs for the first two weeks

Thoughts on newer Toyota Tacoma to be use as a daily and overlander? I want something that can be easily transformed whenever I feel the need to get out of the city.

>>17336507
Most likely some faggot that never served making shit up. Or slim chance, a pussy with shit guts that got clear eyes in his coffee for being a piece of shit.

>>17336732
You're not going over landing, you Pinterest faggot. Fucking kill yourself.

>>17338071
I would like to. I already take my shitty HHR to the camping grounds. I would want to do this as well you nigger.

>>17333294
>Hopefully a Wagoneer
FSJs are unironically the best Jeeps

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>>17338250
Like a 60 series except better in every way

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Am I crazy for wanting to buy a square body in a county with emissions testing?

My first truck was an 1989 GMC 4th gen Sierra 2500 with the SM465 shit-stick manual. Are there any serious long term issues with that terrible transmission? I've heard shit about pins or something backing out and locking it up.

>>17338250
>>17338258
My niggers.

Best Jeeps.

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>>17338311
>tfw no m715

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How much money to lift this. Its 4x4 and 5speed.

>>17338292
Offer 2700...no more, and if they take it..your golden...

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After 20 hours of labour, the axles were rebuilt (four times because of differential issues over and over again). The best way to learn how to rebuild something is to do it four fucking times.

Anyway, good shit.

>>17335086
>tfw probably ate a bit of gear oil today
>cancer when?
>mutant arms when?
>LS swap when?

Coms is probably one of my favourite parts of the military, actually. Good for you for doing that.

Come to iceland. Late july and we'll explore the ice shelves and fjords, heh.

>>17335103
Did they ever make the 6.5 diesel? If I were to do an engine swap, I'd want a full electric shutoff if possible and I think that's only possible with the diesel.

Turbocharging the OM6xx (I-5) seems like a good idea for the time being but I'm still never opposed to the vulcan head swap

>>17338258
What happened to all the $3-4k Wagoneers?
I bought an XJ last year and they were everywhere and now that I want to upgrade my options are either non-running/stripped for $1.5-2k or fully restored for $25k minimum.

>>17338483
fucking boomers

>>17338413
What year and what is the IFS in the front? TTBs?

>>17338483
With all the modern fads, people have started buying $25 000 crossovers and $60 000 SUVs. Now with financing and other bullshit people are willing to pay $30 000 for a guaranteed Wagoneer or even defender

>>17338490
Ttb 1995

>>17333996
Southern Oregon here

>>17333294
Sup /o/, not from round these parts but this thread is exactly my question.

I want to buy a three row SUV for hauling the senpai. Looking to stay under $10k, which mostly gets me 2000-2006 Tahoes/Suburbans/Expeditions wth ~150k miles, with the odd Armada here and there. I don't know much about these trucks but I'm assuming they're built to run a fairly long time.

Before you tell me to go fuck my self and get a minivan or whatever the fuck, I'd like to take my kids camping and it'd be nice to tow a little trailer along.

So, any years/generations to avoid? Issues to look out for? What would you buy?

>>17338540
dont get an armada unless you want your brakes to fail

>>17338474
>Did they ever make the 6.5 diesel?
Did who ever make the 6.5 diesel?

>I'd want a full electric shutoff if possible and I think that's only possible with the diesel.
The 6.5 diesel was mechanical up to 93 in pickups, 96 in NA vans, and as far as I know is still mechanical in the HMMWV, if that's what you're asking.

>>17338483
>What happened to all the $3-4k Wagoneers?
When did those exist? They've consistently been $7-10k for clean examples for the past ten years or so.

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>>17338559
I bought mine for 1200 in 2012. Not super clean but rust free and it ran great.

>>17338540
Avoid the Expedition at all costs. They're cheaper than similar GMs but for very good reason. The GM is cheaper in the long run even if you only own it for two years.
Armada I can't really speak on but the GMs are tried and true, and perfect for what you're describing.

If you don't mind a small hit to fuel economy, seek out a 2500 Suburban with the 8.1l. Fuckton of torque and should be a 400k motor if you top the oil off once every few months.

>>17338559
I'm not looking for clean, just complete-ish and driveable. Everything around me is either broken, has a shit interior (shredded upholstery/stripped/moldy/etc.) or looks like it just rolled off the assembly line with a price to match.
I've found some that fit what I'm looking for but they're 200+ miles away and I doubt they'll be around when I have time to drive that far.
Whatever, I still need to sell the XJ first anyway.

>>17338577
Werd. Out of curiosity, are there any things that are prone to breaking on the expeditions? Or are they just generally shitty?

An 8.1L seems like overkill for me, and the selection for 3/4 tons is a lot smaller. Seems like I'd be more likely to find a clean 1500?

>>17338668
They're just generally shitty, and a pain to work on.

>An 8.1L seems like overkill for me
Would you turn down a job making $200/hr because it's "overkill"? A 1500 would for sure be easier to find but it shouldn't be hard to locate a clean 8.1l well within your budget.

>>17338668
Take what this guy says with a grain of salt. He's the resident suburban shill.

>>17338694
Resident Suburban Shill here.

I'd recommend you buy a 96-99 2500 with the 454 for ~$3500.
Cheaper, simpler, drinks less oil, and just as comfy.

If you want the same longevity and space without being labeled a Suburban shill on /ORG/, you can instead buy an Excursion. They're good too.
Just not the Explorer or Expedition.

>>17338721
Why not explorer?

>>17338775
Reliable SUVs do not develop the nickname "exploder"

Interior plastics fall apart, they're plagued by door lock issues, and they're cramped.

I don't know what you're comparing them to, but compared to other known better SUVs I don't see an Explorer being worth purchasing. You're still free to like them if you do, but to consider them a good SUV would be to consider all SUVs good, and at that point, the "good" loses it's meaning.

>>17338817
There's literally nothing wrong with pre 2002 explorers.

>>17338826

>literally the most shit SUV you can buy

buy a 4runner instead ffs

>>17338826
there's something wrong with even the best automobile. None is without fault. Like I said, you're free to like them. You do not have to defend them to excuse your love for them. They do not define you or represent you.

I love Esprits and hate Veyrons. Has nothing to do with how good or bad they are. You like what you like.

>>17338846
>pay 4x as much for 1.25x the truck
Fuck off yotacuck.
>>17338847
Just because an SUV isn't a suburban doesn't make it bad.

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sometimes it seems like I'm the only guy on /o/ that drives a 2nd gen xterra.

>>17338870
>Just because an SUV isn't a suburban doesn't make it bad.
I literally recommended buying an Excursion.
But l'll play along. What DOES make an SUV bad? If there is truly nothing wrong with pre-2002 Explorers, that would make them the best. That would make all other SUVs their lesser. But surely you don't honestly believe that, do you? Can you name some SUVs you at least think of as average compared to the good Explorer? Or name some SUVs you think are genuinely bad?

>>17338873
I doubt it. There's probably plenty of people here that drive xterras, they're just all lurkers because nobody wants to brag about owning a rig that's ugly as shit, even if it is super practical.

>>17338886
>what is hyperbole

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>>17334606
Where at in straya cunt?

>>17338888
>even if it is super practical.
The entire point behind a "practical" vehicle is that you pay just enough to get a vehicle that does what you need it to regardless of whether or not you can afford more.
The low price is the pro, it's limits are the cons. It's a trade off.

Somehow hipsters have confused that for buying a vehicle that just does what you need it to regardless of what it costs.

paying more for less utility is not practical.

>>17338908
>implying xterras provide less utility than they're worth

>>17338912
If you can get more utility for less money, then they do indeed provide less utility than they are worth.

Open your mind, not your wallet.

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Probably a long shot but has anyone here used a memefeng with a car antennae? Debating whether to invest in a good UHF radio setup or just buy a cheap antennae with magnetic mount for the Cruiser and use it for the memefeng. Radio gets fairly decent range with the standard antennae as it is but given the size of the car ones, the extra range it would get seems worth it. Don't know how useless the magnet would be though once you start hitting a few bumps or having branches graze it.

>>17338953
I have a baofeng with a nagoya mag mount for my truck. It's really sticky and doesnt budge off road.

>>17338956
Didn't even know what Nagoya was until you posted that, thought you had to buy a Baofeng one. Cheers though, will look it up.

>>17338888

I'm surprised people think they are ugly. IMO it has a definitively masculine look.

nice quads btw

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>>17338540
If you are up to it, dont be afraid to look at older models. The TBI motors are stupid simple. I bought my 94 suburban in great condition for $2000. Had 146k miles on it if i remember correctly. Havent had any issues. I would trust this thing to bring me and the kiddos anywhere.

>>17338721
>454
That mileage fucking blows. 1500 would suit him just fine. Or a 2500 with a 5.7 but those arent comon.

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>>17338953
I have this very baofeng, only with big battery. Small one will die rather quickly. Its useful at the short distances.

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>>17338905
In Adelaide at the moment. In a few months will be in northern SA shooting.

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>>17339447
Mah nigga. Original battery has lasted fucking ages, but 9 months of using it for 8 hours a day for work and recharging it all the time has taken its toll on the battery, how much extra life do you get out of the larger battery? Used to get at least 2 days out of it when new (occasionally using the torch and FM radio as well) before I had to recharge. What aerial is that?

>>17339093
They've come a long way since the 70s. 454 Suburbans can easily achieve 14-15 combined compared to the 16-17 combined of the 350.

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>>17339603
Noice, I'm in the Riverland. You shooting on private property I assume? What you shooting up there besides rabbits? Want to go fishing around Spalding but it's almost all private property up that way and the locals don't like to share. Shame because there are some huge Murray Cod and Trout hiding in the Broughton river.

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My old suburban wheeling it hard like God intended.

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>>17340788
Hopefully just kangaroos. Trying to get into pro roo shooting. Mainly on stations
And dogs or foxes to help the farmers out. Im still considering going over to vic for a few months to try and get some dogs. Pretty sure they still have the $110 bounty on them

>>17340788
And yeah unfortunately the guys up there dont like to share at all. The amount of rejections is like 50ish to 1 agreeing to let you on

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>>17338483
In my area at least, while wagoneers are high in price, FSJ cherokees have yet to be hit with the boomer tax. One upside is that they can fit bigger tires with the wide track fender flares.

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>>17341582
More suburban goodness

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>>17342439
One more for the night

>>17342369
I'd be just fine with a Cherokee, too, but there aren't any in a 500-mile radius. Not a single one.
Hell, a Cherokee might even be better because more storage space.

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Cropping pics to post here is such a pain in the ass.

Finally got my truck out after the SAS. Going to have to design up a sway bar for the rear because it handles like a bag of shit with the spongy front and rear leads. Mechanically performed beautifully though so at least I didn't fuck anything up when I was putting ot together lol

>>17338870
>pay 4x as much
literally what. there are mint 4runners for $4k around her because no one wants them. same price for explorers and xterras

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I'm booking rental vehicles for Iceland and I can either do the Jeep 4 door for $1000 or Land Cruiser J150 Prado for $1200. Suzuki Vitara for $800.

I could go with Arctic Trucks but that'd be around $2500. They let you on the much harder paths in Iceland with their build Hilux / Defenders. I may just pay that amount in order to really enjoy the terrain but then again, I kinda want an extra upgrade for the vehicles I actually own with that money.

>inb4 stfu retarded poorfag

>>17343003
Tell me where you live, a decent condition 4runner with 150k miles runs 8k around here.

>>17343166
Oh wait they have a Rav4 for $700 which seems like the best option...

>>17343185
Here in SW Ontario, they're like $4k but not for mint condition. Just standard TLC stuff.

Explorers, 4Runners, Tahoes are all around that price. They've bottomed out pretty hard lately because there are just so many of them around.

>>17338292
The 465 was a good enough transmission for GM to stuff in Medium-Duty trucks. Nothing terrible about it at all, it has a well deserved reputation for being damn near indestructible. I think you're thinking of the shift tower plugs on the Ford M5OD-R2s, totally different transmission.

>>17342206
Yeah a buddy went up there to a local and tried to get chummy and see if he could get access to anyones land for a fish or at least learn of some decent public spots, didn't go well. Bloke at work has a Hilux with a cage and goes up to NSW to stick pigs with his dogs, do much pigging?

>>17342903
>tfw long weekend
>was hoping to set up and install rooftop tent today if the proper brackets arrived and test it out camping for 3 days
>they've only just sent the brackets off today

Fucking jelly as man.

>>17338292
I thought they didnt do emmisions for vehicles over 25 years old? My 89 doesnt need it anymore

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>>17341582
>mudding
>windows open

Are you fucking retarded or what?

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>>17344263
Pussy

>>17344263
It's like you don't like cleaning mud out of your interior, you probably don't even wheel faggot...

>daily reminder that IFS is for fags

>>17344660
Works for me

>>17344775
Because you're a faggot

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>>17344660
>being this asshurt by superior ifs that you have to post this

>>17344891
Have fun with broken balljoints and losing a front wheel on your 4runner...

>>17344989
not one single issue 200k+
>try again

>>17345617
Year?
Trim?

>>17345662
07 fjc

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>>17345750
should've bought an LJ, faggot

>>17345750

My dad drives a 2008 FJC w/ offroad pack. 318,000km and he just had to replace the steering knuckle. Other than that, literally nothing but routine maintenance. Fluids and brakes as they need it, and that's it.

I have a 2011, hopefully I get the same reliability. These vehicles seem pretty fucking bombproof.

>>17345617
Probably cuz you're a mall crawling faggot, take it off road on real trails like a man and you're shit would break like a twig...

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>>17345801
b-but i did buy an lj
and it got mormonized

>>17345870
lel
okay friendo
i wheel hard and i wheel often

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>>17345879

Still need help deciding on a 3 day car rental:

Rav4 for $700, Jeep 4 door for $1000, Land Cruiser J150 Prado for $1200, Suzuki Vitara for $800.

p l s

>>17345895

What.

Cars cost like $30/day to rent, what the fuck are you talking about you nigger.

>>17345902
Sounds like it could be on Iceland

>>17345895
Wasent this a thread?

Get the suzuki

>>17345908
>>17345902
It's in Iceland.

F-rated "roads" which are just the equivalent of logging paths (apparently) requires vehicles that have special license plate letters. Only those vehicles.

Plus we're not getting a suzuki jimny as we'll be camping and probably some sort of glamping.

>>17345912
Not that I know of. I just posted it a few comments up in this thread.

Why the suzuki? Suzuki committed sudoku in the US market a few years ago (RIP Swift) unfortunately so I know next to nothing about them. Is the Vitara c o m f y ?

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Thinking about picking up this '88 suburban this weekend:

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ctd/6168980669.html

Never owned a suburban.. anything i should look for in particular on this one?

>>17345919
>RIP swift
god fucking damn it dude

>>17345936
The swift was rad.

>>17345925
Ive never owned a Slutburban, Toyota fag, but i kinda want one....

Do your research, look at fourms and shit

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>>17345944
is*

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>>17345919

I would say the Suzuki Vitara is the best compromise of ability and price. The Jeep is an unreliable piece of shit. The RAV4 is not really an off-roader and it's FWD-biased. I know the new (2015+) Vitaras are too, but everything up to 2014 was RWD/AWD. Plus they're more reliable than the Jeep, and you probably could spend the extra $400 somewhere else by not going with the Prado.

Vitaras are quite roomy inside, I think you'd be happy with it. Don't let the American market change your opinion of a vehicle - most Americans are retarded. They hated the FJ Cruiser in America, too, and opted for an unreliable piece of FCA trash that literally tries to kill you when you drive it (see: death wobble).

Vitaras were always good little vehicles, I still see ancient ones driving around.

>>17345956
Friendly reminder that death wobble is not exclusive to FCA products, and is caused by improper maintenance.

>>17345895
the suzuki will give you everything you need at a decent price point

>>17345965

Friendly reminder that the only other shitbox to chronically suffer from this in recent history is the F-series, a cheap, high volume throwaway truck.

Do they still deposit 0.0004 shekels into your account if the shilling is unsuccessful?

>>17345965
true it's not exclusive but it is highly prominent

>>17345965

For the pricepoint and minimal features that vehicle offers, you should not be dealing with such an obvious problem. It's not caused by poor maintenance, it's caused by poor design. There are plenty of SFA vehicles that don't tear themselves to pieces at highway speeds.

>>17345967
That's because everyone else switched away from solid front axles when they went to IFS. Death wobble is a trait inherent to front solid-axle suspension setups that make use of a trackbar. Worn components or improperly torqued fasteners in the front end will cause the front end to wobble. The solution is to maintain your fucking vehicle, but nowadays nobody wants to take the extra two minutes during their oil change to check torque on their front-end fasteners, they'd rather bitch online that the vehicle they've been neglecting is trying to kill them.

>>17345987
Those vehicles sacrifice articulation and ride quality for the ability to tolerate shitty maintenance routines. It's not FCA's fault that you're unwilling to take two minutes during an oil change to check torque on your front-end fasteners.

>>17345925
Just make sure the floors are solid so you know it'll pass inspection. As long as it shifts firm I'd buy it, also make sure it hasn't been sitting, IE it should have a current inspection.

>tfw
>arctic trucks have no availability for my time
>land cruiser 76 no availability from this one rental company
ree. also:

>plentiful suzuki jimnys
>bringing a bae
>is a woman
>suzuki jimny is automatically not an option
i'm not a cuck, i promise.


>tfw no qt suzuki swift

>>17345956
>>17345966
That's good to know regarding the suzuki, though. I think I'll go rent the Vitara right now as it's the second cheapest option around. I've never seen one IRL or even heard of one until I looked at renting cars in AssLand.

I know the rav4 is FWD based but most Euro (especialyl north) SUVs are frame based 4x4s just because they aren't as afflicted with the crossover memes (thank god)

>>17345965
literally just add a side shock absorber

Oh wait. They even have a Kia Sportage 4x4 AND a Nissan Qashqai.

I completely refused to go to Nissan because of how they fucked up the US "SUV" market and Kia because... well... Kia.
But I'm open to new options since Iceland isn't really part of the "real world".

What does /ORG/ think of Qashqai and Kias?

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>>17346001

Care to explain why Chrysler won't address the problem, or inform people that the simple fix is basic maintenance? They have literally been blowing off peoples' complaints for a decade now, telling them that their vehicle is fine, nothing bad happens ever, and that they have no idea why it would wobble.

Why are Chrysler such fucking shitheels to their customers? Why not just tell them "this is a little extra thing you need to do, and we can even do it for you during your services, but if you don't it could cause problems"?

They're such niggers about it, denying that the issue even exists. It was a problem endemic to a lot of SFA vehicles, but considering the vast majority of vehicles haven't had a SFA since the 90s, it seems Chrysler just figured "eh fuck it people keep buying these things no matter how shitty we make em".

>>17346019

car-based cuck-overs

don't waste your time with that, KIAs are just Hyundais that didn't make the cut to be a Hyundai

think about that:

>not good enough to be a Hyundai

>>17346099
Pretty sure it's in the standard maintenance schedule in the back of the user manual.

Chrysler says there's no problem with the vehicle because, if you maintain it by the manufacturer-specified maintenance schedule, there is no problem with the vehicle.

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>>17346125

So the takeaway points here:

>this is a known problem which may be preventable with routine maintenance
>Jeep owners are fucking retarded and don't maintain their vehicles

Sounds about right.

>>17346206
Correct. The vast majority of Jeep owners need to RTFM

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>>17346280

>average Jeep owner

It's funny, because where I live (Ontario), 90% of Jeeps are owned by tiny womyn. In contrast, 90% of FJs I see are driven by men.

But when I talk to Americans, I hear FJs are driven by a lot of womyn and seniors. Hard to see this being true IMO (at least the senior part). You can't take the top off an FJ so it really limits the DELISHUS ATTENSHUN womyn can get driving them. Which is the whole point.

>>17346315
Where I live (Michigan) , tiny womyn own Patriots and Compasses because 'i drive a Jeep, I must be strong and independent (excellent marketing on FCAs part BTW)', while suburban soccer moms own all of the JKs, Tahoes, and Suburbans, because driving a minivan would mean admitting that you're a suburban soccer mom. Meanwhile, nobody owns FJs because 'them damn gooks is stealin' ar jurbs', and minivans are mostly owned by blue-collar men because they're fuel-efficient, can haul 4x8 sheets if you fold all of the seats down, and they're cheap enough that you can still afford one after spending your entire life savings on mom's $60k Suburban.

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>>17346392

God damn that sounds like a depressing hellscape.

>>17346445
It's not too bad. At least with the soccer moms owning large 4x4s, and the womyn owning small 4x4s, you don't have to worry about pulling them out of the ditch in the winter because they don't know how to drive properly. All you need to do is hop in the driver's seat and drive out of the ditch. And with the newer T&Cs and GrandCaravans putting out 285HP, they're sporty enough to have a little bit of fun on open straightaways. Smoked an F250 pulling away from a light in my mom's T&C once. Every one of the six chads in the truck was laughing hysterically as we pulled ahead.

>>17346468

They don't make Caravans anymore though, I'm curious to see what depressed suburban husbands will drive now. Unless they want to spend $60K on a fucking """Pacifica"""....

But yeah, I had to ride in my boss's Caravan to a trade show one time, and I was surprised at how it hauled ass. You could feel the torque when she hammered it.

>>17346488
Does she feel the torque when you hammer her?

>>17346315
in northern commiefornia fjc and are dominated my chink bitches and jk's are dominated by soccer bitches
BUT tj's, yj's, cj's are 100% men

>>17346315
Where in Ontario senpai?

Central is having a meet tomorrow near Parry Sound (I think)

>>17346519
and all burbs are owned by fat mexicans to tote around their fat mexican families

>>17346488
We'll probably see a resurgence in longbed pickups. As-is, all of the white-collar men are driving CCSB 4x4 half-tons. It makes sense that lower-income workers could get those same trucks, but with the longer bed, a lower trim level, and V6 instead of the V8.

>>17346538
Up here in Michigan the Mexicans drive whatever they can afford. Usually Trailblazers/Envoys for the women and older F-series for the men.

>>17346519
>tj's, yj's, cj's are 100% men
Friend's gf has a TJ. I know of two grills with YJs.

Modified JKs are all males. Modified XJs actually has a 50:50 split in Ontario that I know of.

>>17346572
In Michigan, the JKs are all dealer-modified, and all women. XJs are weird in that all of the modified ones belong to men, but the stock ones are 50:50 between men and women. The only people who drive older Jeeps are those that can't afford a new one, because all of the older Jeeps are rotting apart.

>>17344878
Im not.

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>>17346551
that makes sense
burbs here are cheap af

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>>17346495

Probably, she told me to be careful I don't blow out her cervix.

>>17346519

Interesting. Perhaps only men are willing to put up with the unforgiving and downright shit-ass interior appointments of a TJ/YJ/CJ.

This sort of makes sense, really.

>>17346648
>Perhaps only men are willing to put up with the unforgiving and downright shit-ass interior appointments of a TJ/YJ/CJ.
agreed
i thought my lj was supercomfy
fuck i miss it soooooooo much

>>17346648
>>17346738
Not true. I remember when my friend brought her gf in my LC to go shooting innawoods. The only part she enjoyed about it was the rough bumpiness and synthesised possibility of death.
A week later, he asked if they could get a TJ and she said she was thinking the same thing. Something something a car is a car and not an appliance... mumble mumble.

I once ran into a JK club with my LC a month ago. All guys, very nice, and not the "beta" stereotype. Other than a few tacky things like angry eyes, they're good people and aren't too circlejerky much like the yota or ATV clubs around here, too.

Then again, we're fucking leafs, so meh.

If any of you anons watch Dirt Every Day look what I found on craigslist

https://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/cto/6159758742.html

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>>17334885
Good trucks the old luxes, not offroad beasts by any means but reliable and easy to work on when needed

>>17339603
Oi mate I am keen as fuck to shoot a camel for the freezer, any idea on how I would go about this?

Victorian deer hunter here.

>>17346540
>V6 in anything bigger than a dakota
It's like you're writing your dissertation on the word gutless

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what are some good 4x4 programs to watch?

>>17347793
Go to a road, then see something that isn't a road, drive on the thing you see. There's your program.

Hey so I've got a bit of a question, I've got a 1996 2wd non-prerunner Tacoma and I'm looking to take it up some logging trails/service roads in the George Washington NF in VA to get to campsites, is this feasible?

I've got some basic shit like a tug-along winch and straps so if I get decently stuck I should be able to pull myself out, but I'm wondering what's the most one can expect to handle in a 2wd, something like the rockier sections of bald mountain seems like it might be a bit much.

>>17348282
Absolutely. It'll be more than capable as long as you have offroad grip tyres.

>>17345820
routine maintenance is an absolute must. they're solid vehicles.

>>17347023
Drive to NT or WA, bring a chansaw to cut the cunt up. Camels are a massive pest and just fuck everything up. Go for a heart shot. Bullets can bounce of the skull.

>>17347704
>~300hp
>gutless
Since when is 300HP gutless? V8s were barely making that 15 years ago. Sure, the V6 makes significantly less torque, but a lack in torque can be counteracted with deeper gearing.

>>17348462
eye
sex
engine

if only they could make i-8s without having them be half the length of the vehicle

>>17348488
The real problem with L8s is the crankshaft starts flexing because it's so long relative to its thickness.

>>17333294
Are MREs actually cheap and good for overlanding or should I just make a few overlanding products 2 days before the journey and just cook them as I go forward?

MREs are $100 for four breakfast items and 8 lunch/dinner ones. I feel like it's a ripoff as a civie buying military food.

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>>17348504
Not worth. Cook and find your own perishables. Or fish / hunt on your journey. Ducks are the easiest as long as the local authorities don't gief you the cucc.

I use large amounts of cod liver as emergency food. Otherwise, pre-toasted (lightly) bread works well and you can re-toast them on your engine's exhaust manifold. Spam works very well and so do marshmallows. If you can make a fire (which MREs assume you can't), then you can carry a lot of instant noodles and boil water using an old pop can or tin can of old spam.
Weisswurst is a good sausage choice for the first 3-4 days because they're preserved naturally. You can also bring a shitload of starches in the form of dehydrated mashed potatoes or large bags of cornstarch to make a drinkable version of gravy when you have a lot of rendered red-meat fat if given the chance.

>>17348500
I-7s exist as marine engines

Shitposting aside, I thought a few older I-8s have two cranks kidna like the V8s but are closer together to negate that issue? Then the car's hoods started getting shorter to keep up with pace and I-8s had like a five year run until switched out by the more practical V8.

Hey why don't they make I-6s anymore? Low displacement, turbocharged V6s are more efficient?

>>17348527
>cod liver
>spam with marshmallows
>weisswurst (wtf)
>dehydrated mashed potatos
>drinking rendered pork fat mixed with cornstarch
none of this shit sounds appetizing but you should make an offroad cooking channel

>emergency cooking with tay

>>17348527
The larger the engine is, the thicker the crank can be.

The reason the L6 is disappearing is because it's long as hell, whereas V6s offer similar power output but are half the length, allowing the same engine to be crammed into a vehicle that couldn't fit an L6 (see T&Cs/Caravans, pretty much every mid-size and large car on the market, 'crossovers', etc.).

>>17348548
>v6s have similar outputs compared to I-6s
yeah but they suffer hugely from torque and reliability

>>17348552
Well yeah, they're not inherently balanced like inline engines are, particularly inline engines with cylinder counts that are multiples of 6. The manufacturer doesn't care about reliability, it just has to make it out of warranty then it's not their problem anymore.

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'97 RAV4 with 160k KM.
Planning a sleeper project with it (3S-GTE 4th gen Caldina Swap) in the near future.

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>>17347000
You sure do got a purdy mouf

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>>17348596

actually meant to throw this on the daily thread. Although I did want to do some light offroading mods.

Any suggestions? Probably lift/tires and stuff. The MK1 Rav4 was built as a softroader and not meant for real offroading.

>>17333294 Went to look at a used YJ today and it was in great shape everything was perfect except he had the front driveshaft taken off, he had a new one and all the bolts but is it likely he took it off because the transfer case was fucked?

>>17346997
Surprised it wasn't one of the CTC trucks, though aside from his LC80 and the blue CJ3, Fred's choices ended up 2 steps from the junkyard.

thankfully it comes with some parts and a pre smog 302 isn't exactly a liability.

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>>17348650

Offroad RAVs are CA-UTE.

>>17334919

greshamfag here, i agree wholeheartedly

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>>17348886
I concur

>>17347793
The DVD's that come with 4WD action are decent to watch and they've got a YT channel.

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like my bitch?

>>17348650
Wow look at that clearance

>>17349227
>>17349229
Stop posting this shit

>>17349274
dont like her?

>>17349227
Nice dent.

>>17349229
Isn't this that dog fucking chick from Tumblr?

>>17349437
yeah

>>17349437
W-what?

>>17349437
Source.

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>>17349229
>>17349437
>>17349460
WHATTHEFU

>>17348683
Could have been taken off to help with fuel mileage. The front driveshaft on YJs and TJs always spins since the front axle doesn't have unlocking hubs. Or the front shaft could be unbalanced, so he took it off to keep it from vibrating the jeep to death.

Just ask him about it

>>17349504
>>17349227
>>17349229
Anon that girl in the Burb isn't the same person, is it? Or that's not even your Burb at all and you've taken that one poor anon's image and just run with it.

Reminds me of white stolen XJ guy

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So i came home with this today.

>>17338540
Gen3 Montero

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>>17350721
ayyyyyyy looks good man
>info please goddamnit

>>17350721
Came home with what, a bunch of garbage in your yard?

>>17349486
Seconded. I was able to find Youtube videos with the handle shown in >>17349504 , but nothing explicit

>>17346013

no availability for your time? what are you talking about?

>>17351289
lel
i just noticed that damn bear

http://www.addictedoffroad.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=78

Is this dog shit for a rear bumper? 2004 Tacoma.

I want something that'll give light protection from softly bumping into shit while offroad. I was thinking of welding on some plates for standing & putting a rear license plate mount on. Can someone make a recommendation if not that? The rear bumper is currently dented and I'm looking for a replacement that's not as weak.

>>17351299
I assume he meant for rental when he is in Norway?

>>17352382

Ah, yeah probably. Actually most likely iceland, they are rentals for iceland safaris there.

>>17352345
i'm not seeing any specs or am i just retarded

>>17333316
>>17333303
If it was bullet proof/mine resistant, that'd be neat. Just as an over priced shitbox, no thanks.

>>17351969
Hey Daewoo

>>17338376
Would also be happy with one of them.

>>17333996
North Eastern Oregon, formerly Washington.

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>>17352462

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>>17352466
Sup

>>17352473
>the wallowas
godtier scape there man
have you visited them yet

>>17352548
Ufg

>>17352638
Is that off Stoneman Lake Road?

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>>17352696
Well kinda, its a forest service road off stoneman lake road.

>>17350721
>bull bars
Why do people do this? They only end up causing more damage in minor collisions, and literally offer zero benefit to anything else. Great looking ride though, hope you got a good deal.

>>17352719
Uh... is that a fucking machinegun? How is that legal?

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>>17352730
Welcome to AZ.
>its semi auto.

>>17352764
love the colour, about to get a 4runner that colour

>>17352764
>>its semi auto.
Wow, nice made up turn there. In any case, you don't need a fucking assault rifle and it won't make your dick any bigger

>>17352784
*term

>>17352784
>not knowing anything about funs
I hope this is bait.

>>17352784
shut up no guns

>>17352784
>>17352788
>Baiting this hard...

>>17352792
>>17352794
>>17352798
>le bait
Just fuck off you psychotic gun nut dick compensatory. It's not even sad, it's just creepy. Sorry sweeties but an obsession with automatic KILLING MACHINES isn't normal or healthy.

I have a kk! :D

>>17352725
>not knowing the difference between a bull bar and a push bar
Bull bars are solely for appearance. Push bars, like the one shown, protect the center of the front end (radiator, A/C condenser if equipped, etc.) in the event of an animal strike, and allow the driver to use the vehicle to push other vehicles without damaging anything important. The difference is that bull bars only come up to the top of the bumper, if even that, whereas push bars come all the way up to the hood line, are generally made of thicker metal, and generally have a more secure attachment to the frame.

>>17352823
>automatic
Again, it's semi-automatic.
>thinking killing things is unhealthy
Right, because humans are and always have been strictly herbivorous

>>17352823
>not having a gun just in case you need to off yourself

>not having the freedom to shoot up a school like an upstanding american citizen

>not being able to defend yourself from terrorists with knives

What's it like being a eurocuck? Did your wife enjoy Mohammed's cock last night?

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>>17352823
Whelp im screwed

>>17352854
I wish I was that screwed.

>>17352848
>>automatic
>Again, it's semi-automatic.
Literally just stupid semantics...
>>thinking killing things is unhealthy
>Right, because humans are and always have been strictly herbivorous
Holy false equivalency batman.
>>17352849
Lol, exactly!
>>17352854
Dude, lol. Your dick must be TINY haha

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>>17352867
You know it !

>>17352867
Buddy, it's not semantics, Semiautomatic means one shot per trigger pull, automatic means when you hold the trigger down it keeps firing until the magazine runs out, and besides some people deserve to be killed.

>>17352867
>Your dick must be TINY haha
7.62mm, to be precise

>>17352876
Semi-auto = manual fire, automatic reload
Full-auto = automatic fire and reload

>>17352867
>constantly thinking about people's dicks
why do you choose to be gay?

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>>17352823

>>17352881
>>17352876
Literally just semantic bullshit. Go ahead and rationalize it all away though you sociopath. How about you go blow your dick off or sometihng

>>17352884
>like there's anything wrong with that
Not surprised, tiny dicked gun nut AND tiny dicked bigot.

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>>17352898

>>17352898
>has literally no idea what he's talking about

How about you do some more research on guns and check back in with us?

>>17352903
>>17352908
Sorry that I'm not obsessed with things whose sole purpose is to take human life and which disproportionately takes the lives of POC.

>>17352884
ignore the cuck, he worships cocks because his bull's cock is so much bigger than his.

>>17352919
Idiot confirmed, enjoy being ignorant and please don't vote on any gun-related laws.

>>17351085
>$4500
>1996
>almost all new front end parts
>new ac system
>169k miles
>new tires
>$2450 worth of repairs since Nov. with receipts
>his wife cucked him into selling it because he had to many vehicles. He had 6 from what i could see.
Not to bad. I guess. All the others around here seem to go for 6 to 10k.

>>17352903
Lol, look at this poor.

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>>17352919
Keep telling yourself that...

>>17352848
Yeah, no. Than tinfoil garbage is going through the radiator and into the hood if it hits a Goliath beetle at 25mph.

>>17352932
Why are you trying to convince people that your hobby isn't just a hobby? Could it be you're really just trying to convince yourself?

>>17352919
>sole purpose is to take human life
>human life
>forgetting that hunting exists

>disproportionately takes the lives of POC
>forgetting that an extremely disproportionately large number of crimes against POC are committed by POC

>>17352940
They are decently useful for pushing things without scratching anything important, I've seen police use them to push stalled/broken down cars out of intersections several times.

>>17352958
And they always damage the pig mobile.

>>17352962
Sure but on you own setup you can just use it as a sort of sacrificial bumper, just paint it with some sort of textured black paint or bedliner so if it gets scuffed up you can just touch up the damaged sections.

>>17353211
Green YJ guy!

>>17353221
Is that goat cheese and fries?

>>17353516
>not knowing what poutine is
who hurt you, anon?

>>17353575
It's not his fault he's not Canadian

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6.1 feet cot just barely fits in the back here but that also means it's a shorter.

Comparing the 3rd gen 4runner to the Land Cruiser 80, the 4runner only has a 20cm longer wheelbase which isn't really that much considering the lift and SFA base.

>>17353516
It's a pretty awesome little vehicle. Did an I-6 swap out of the I-4 and apparently it's still kinda weak on the highway.

Also, that's just good olde fashioned poutine. Cheese curds, beef gravy, and crispy fries.

>>17353590
bhomst's fault is it, then?

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>>17352983
Or I can do what I usually do, and just not run into shit, sort of like I know how to drive a fucking car.

>>17353575
Mammoth cheese?

>>17353638
what are you even doing on /org/ if you only run soft gravel paths?

>inb4 battlewagons roll out

>>17333294
>Toyotas except for Mr Cummy and his alter egos
I don't have any alter ego tho

>>17353719
exactly what someone with alter egos would say!

>>17353662
>I'm le hardcore offroader because I'm retarded
I know you're a retard trying to bait, but those that actually go off road don't ram shit for fun. Or you could be pretending that a push bar will protect against scratches, upon which you may kill yourself.

>>17353732
you didn't give the correct person their (You) but thanks for that anyway

Tell me, anon, what's the purpose of getting a full front bumper when you could just get light and winch mounts around your factory bumper?

>>17353768
Oh trust me, the correct faggot got his response. And if you're "not in it" you're no better than a nigger that won't help his boys jump someone after insisting the fight.

test

tmiim

teeeesti

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>>17353850
Well that didn't turn out as well as planned. One more time.
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>>17353880
Can you fuck off?

>>17353886
Testing

>>17353886
>>17353892
It seems I can not.

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https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/6138401961.html
Would this be an approved /org/ project? I'd just want to clean it up further and maybe some retrofit running gear upgrades like an OD or discs.
Or should I just get an XJ/4r and thrash it?

>>17353900
The problem with CJ5s and CJ7s is that they're often too pretty and v i n t a g e to beat them offroad.
Anyway, that's my "problem" with them, anyway.

>>17352892
>Fucking government, keep your laws away from us citizens who aren't hurting anyone else.
>WE NEED TO STOP GAY PEOPLE FROM GETTING MARRIED

See, it works both ways.

>>17354284
being gay isn't in the constitution

>>17354325
The Constitution is irrelevant.

>>17354407
Then no freedom of speech for you commie scum.

>>17354407
Fuck off pinko commie faggot

>>17354407
Remember all laws are irrelevant, if they can't be enforced, by violence. What better way to threaten people with violence, to ultimately do what you want, then with guns.

People act like us humans are so civilized, and above violence, but violence is the universal standard that holds civilizations together. Cops carry guns to help uphold the law. Armies carry guns to make our enemies submit.

There will always be people who don't agree with the rules and who won't follow the agreed upon guidelines of civilized people. So violence is necessary to keep these folks in line. Kinda like all the Muslim terrorists who keep trying to kill their way to Allah. They need to be expedited to heaven post haste, and guns do a fabulous job of that.

tl;dr- guns are good, so is violence when used for the good of civilization.

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>it's 7 am and not-/k/ is still chewing the cud that is nogunz bait

>>17352929
seems like a decent buy
what plans do you have for it

>>17353221
that looks putrid

>>17353725
Why would I have an alter ego?
I do my best shitposting with this account.

>>17354407
Says a true stupid nigger.

>>17355015
But if you're canadjian it's a treat!

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>>17355008
Its going to replace my dd. Maybe something down the road but nothin planned. That and fix the interior a bit. Never had a year model over 94. This dash and molding suck. Prefer the older styles.

>>17355380
other than the god awful marooooooon color the interior looks prime
i like the older squared off dashboards as well

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>>17355447
Agreed. Im hoping the maroon grows on me. As of now its a bit to much.

>>17356154
>>17356154
>>17356154
>>17356154

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