RIP Gas Cars

>>17324152
Continue driving our gas-powered cars. They won't close down all the gas stations. They can't. What with transport trucks, buses, taxis, cop cars, and of course the cars of the common man overwhelmingly being gas or diesel-powered, it's unreasonable for the government to think everyone can afford the switch to electric just like that.

>>17324163
What they mean is probably for the average person, Norway said they would even Ban them though

in the majority of my country you need to drive three hours at the very least between petrol stations
have fun with evshit

>>17324173
The Tesla Model S on its highest version can go 400 miles and in the future they will improve. They might really do this whole only EV crap seriously

>>17324178
400 miles the typical climate is not going to happen
teslashit will overheat and shutdown within 100

>>17324181
Have you seen youtube videos of it? it's not a fucking iphone
L:ets just hope holy Gas powerd cars di not get b&

>>17324181
https://youtu.be/Qp7DDfBfXvk

works fine t b h

>>17324152
You're an absolutely fucking delusional bleeding heart environmentalist hippie piece of shit if you actually think battery cars will be the norm in just 13 years. Internal combustion engines will stay the butter and bread energy source in mainstream automobiles until the fuel cell replaces it. In 100 years we'll be looking back with out half-cyborg eyes, driving cars powered by pocket sized cold fusion reactors and laugh at how we thought a giant, heavy battery could ever be a solution.

>>17324198
but anon, fusion is 120 years away

>>17324201
36 years ago Bill Gates thought nobody could ever need more than 640KB of RAM.

>>17324198
Who said I am a EVfag?
I own a 2009 HSV Clubsport R8

>>17324207
and we wouldnt need more if windows wasnt such a bloated pos

>>17324214
Bill Gates is the guy behind Windows, in case you didn't know.

>>17324216
thats my joke

>>17324152
>wat do
buy an EV dumb cunt.

seriously why is everyone so pissy about this? world aint gonna stop turning for you, and its gonna take at least 15-20 years for the EV's to trickle down to affordable prices, and there sitll are not enough to properly satisfy a used market yet.

Honestly what id be more in fear of is vehicular DRM.
>want to do sick skids
>unplug wheel speed sensors because nana ECU wont let you turn off TCS
>ECU pitches a fit at loss of traction after a few seconds and goes into limp mode needing to be taken to a dealership for work.

>>17324226
>please pull over, you have exceeded your allocated hours of vehicle use for this week

>>17324226
>buy an EV dumb cunt
>seriously why is everyone so pissy about this?
>its gonna take at least 15-20 years for the EV's to trickle down to affordable prices
>sitll are not enough to properly satisfy a used market yet
You answered your own question I guess.

>nana ECU wont let you turn off TCS
I can turn every single aid (except ABS) off at the simple press of a button combination.

>>17324234
TCS is nice in some situations though. Just nice to turn off from time to time.

>>17324246
I can drive with TCS on, TCS in sport allowing for drfit angles and wheel spin, TCS off, everything off except ABS and with the fuse pulled. Fuck the police when they try to ban my car.

>>17324152
Petrol is getting cheaper by the day
Feels good man
Enjoy your cuckboxes

>>17324152
>India only allowing electric car sales in 2030
>This is the country that kept building the Morris/Hindustan Ambassador for 50 years
Well look at that! Paris actually has an effect after all!

>>17324234
>>its gonna take at least 15-20 years for the EV's to trickle down to affordable prices
EVs are already affordable though. Look at Denmark; EVs are basically sold with a 75% government subsidy. If every country in the world did that, gas cars would be dead.

>>17324730
If every government in the world put a 75 cent bounty on your head you'd be dead.

>>17324730
Well Denmark can do that since most of that 75% is gonna go right back into tax.

Also there's only 7000 or so EV's in denmark, granted that's a pretty good increase from the under 500 before they went into effect in 2009, but out of the nearly 2.4 million vehicles registered in Denmark, that's still a small drop in the bucket.

>>17324730
If every country in the world did that, Elon Musk would build a solid gold death star.

>>17324740
And? The point still stands. You have to elect people willing to put your money where their mouth is, and lower the cost of goods for everyone.

In 5-10 years batteries will allow for 1000km range. ICE is going to die quickly then.

>>17324152
>India in 2030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0b2LGf9jM

>>17324798
not enough shitting in the street

>>17324726
Yeah, I bet if the USA had stayed in we'd have banned all gasoline cars by 2028.

>>17324820
Implying that eletric cars today are actually saving the planet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U

>>17324730
>If every country in the world did that, gas cars would be dead
To replace every vehicle in use today with a Tesla you'd need around 1.3 Billion. There's roughly 63 kg of Lithium in a 70 kWh Tesla battery pack. That's pretty much 82 Million tons of Lithium. Lithium reserves in existing mines are estimated to be 14 Million tons. Do you see where I'm going? We'd literally have to mine other planets for dozens of Millions of tons of Lithium, just to replace every vehicle today. Then we have to replace the batteries every 10 years, and the number of vehicles in existence is projected to double until 2040.

In other words, R.I.P. battery cars and R.I.P. Tesla.

>>17324854
lolwhat

a study found you could make 11 billion Nissan leafs with CURRENT lithium supplies. Plus lithium is piss-easy to recycle when you do it right

fuck off Alphonse you dumb nigger.

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Electric is the fut...

DONT YOU DARE TAKE MY GAS

[REVVING INTENSIFIES]

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>>17324945
>Destroy that car Now! Electrical sh*t is no good for racing.

>homo promo

>Sounds like my washing machine on a normal cycle..

>electric race cars are stupid shit no soung and no gears and they are heave

>Fast Vacuumcleaner. ... horribly boring :(

>YAY!? Without any engine sound what is the point? Good for you, you drove a life size RC toy around a track...

>It's heartbreaking to see an electric battery powered car set a record on the worlds greatest track. It's even more heartbreaking to see that people actually like the look and also the sound of these things.

>How can a slightly modified Prius win against the Porsche 918..

>Only mechanical engine + petrol, that electric toy sounds like my shaving machine... the beauty of motorsport, is in the engine sound,

>don't Like no sound...

>This cannot be true, petrol cars are faster

>But it sounds shit. Its a fact

>Chinese car with ripped off European technology typical Chinese .

>SO GAY

>Electric is gay

>sound like a fuckin toy machine

>I'll never buy an electric car. sounds retarded

>what a joke it has a vaccuum cleaner sound worst game ever !

>Sounds like me taking a piss... . I hate electric cars...

>so fucking boring with this TOY sound. i wouldnt drive a electric car even if im paid 1M for it.

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>>17324943
>having a parking curb three feet away from the edge of the asphalt

>>17324954
its okay, they'll just make fake engine noises for you like the BMW i8

>>17324970
I think that's a requirement in some states for certain commercial parking lots.

Sorta like how you need a handrail for anything over three steps.... it's dumb, but whatever

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>>17324152
>1960-1980
>GAS IS OVER GAS IS FINISHED DIESEL IS THE FUTURE
>1980-2010
>GAS IS OVER GAS IS FINISHED HYDROGEN IS THE FUTURE
>2010-20...
>GAS IS OVER GAS IS FINISHED EV IS FUTURE

>>17324152
I can only wait for Lithium prices to skyrocket

>>17325013
There are huge untapped Lithium reserves all over the world, for instance in Afghanistan.
https://venturebeat.com/2014/03/20/lithium-afghanistan/

This could have a hugely positive impact on the political climate.

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>batteries will never be as good as dino juice
>when the fuel runs out we wont have mechanized units anymore

>>17325012
I never felt like hydrogen cars got a fair shake, and lord knows I'd have one of those before an electric car

>>17325012
Well let's step back and realize it's because gas companies have a vice grip on all this shit and it's kind of disgusting.

I don't think gas is going anywhere for the next 200 years, but I think by that point we'll be pushing towards electric or something else. The issue is that it's just not viable to purchase an electric car unless you solely care about the environment.

But I suppose at that point, your lazy fat American ass should just buy a fucking bicycle

>>17325021
>This could have a hugely positive impact on the political climate.
How? Some good old forced democracy?

Alternative fuels like ethanol, algae, hydrogen, etc are going mainstream before EV ever comes close. EV has an extremely long development period. It took over 100 years for range to finally be 400 miles or so and even then, that's max capacity with technology given.

EVkeks are sitting on an investment bubble and government gibs

>>17324152
While some try to push electricity, others, like those who produce fuel, will try to stop it at any cost. 50% of electric cars on a global scale will be a long journey to reach. While this happens (if happens at all) we'll all be dead anyway. There is no absolute way that in 100 years anything will change a lot. They simply WON'T stop producing fuel-based vehicles. Trucks (for Americans), pickups, heavy duty vehicles are all gonna be fuel powered. Regular cars will have both options to buy - electric and fuel. While those low-powered cars will probably dominate with electricity - it is only a better choice for everyone. Less air pollution, less noise, less dirty smell. Chances are you buying small hatch with low displacement engine outside of crowded city is really small. Therefore your trip will be very short 90% of the time, so electric engine is objectively better. Performance models/variants like GTI, S/RS, AMG, M and others will have only fuel powered motors to offer. Not to mention if theres a two choices of same model and everything else, but different engines - electric one will be probably 20% more expensive, so, theres very little chances someones gonna pay 20% for electric engine. And no, I'm not in any way supporting e-cars, but sometimes theyre useful too.

>>17324152
>India
pooinloo pajet

>>17324152
>https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/05/india-electric-car-sales-only-2030/

>hurr it reduces costs of power
>doesn't account for power production

>all new cars sold will be electric by 2030
>lists Bloomberg's estimates on sales and total electric cars
>only 35% by 2040, and that's a very hopeful estimate

>government incentives only for the first 2-3 years, then the buys foots the whole cost
>inb4 india car sales fall off a cliff in 2033

>>17324163
eventually electric cars will be the same price as gas cars and people buying new cars will buy electric over gas, then gas cars will be a dying breed like people who still use horses for the fun of it.
>>17324181
It has been teste in multiple conditions, it exceeds 200miles easily in any condition which is more or the same as most gas powered vehicles with a full tank.

>>17325647
Until they see their electric bill skyrocket and go back to a gas car.

>>17325647
eventually, yes. the question is when? if we look at the problems preventing electric from taking off, we can infer a bit.
>power cost
some places this is already solved, but others have issues keeping the cost down and would require new power production facilities.
>reliability
they don't have this issue for new or even post lease cars, but in the used market we have a ton of 10+ year old cars. the few hybrids of that age are known to have battery issues. to keep adoption rate moving the way they plan it, they need to have the battery issues largely resolved right now, so the used buyers have a good experience and might move up to a new electric car in the future.
>power grid
many parts of the world aren't ready to offload all that used gasoline power onto the grid to charge a replacement electric car. hopefully this gets solved soon.
>range
this is solved in the tesla price range, but people often confuse it with the next point
>refill or recharge
this has no clear answer just yet, as it ties to reliability. the faster you charge, the less charge cycles you get out of the battery. the slower, the less you want to leave the 250 mile circle around your home. perhaps cars can have hotswap precharged batteries like with propane tanks, but it seems the industry want to go with degrading battery life in exchange for convenience.

I think a reasonable estimate would be 2050 before companies really phase out ICE. by then, consumer confidence, power cost and availability, and long term reliability will be high enough to push people to electric for good.

>>17324163
>Continue driving our gas-powered cars. They won't close down all the gas stations.
If all the other countries make use of carbon tax provisions, then the USA could be carbon tax "fined" into submission. It needs the rest of the world to both sell and buy materials and products. Let's see, animefan buys a package of Calbee snacks from Japan for 298 yen list price. The carbon tax assigned by paris accords member japan to the non accords polluting country is 100,000,000 yen. While an exXxaggeration, the carbon tax was one aspect of the paris accords.

As the Paris Accords go, the hold outs who aren't participating are the USA, North Korea, and Nicaragua. It will be interesting what kinds of carbon taxes will be levied against the non-participants by the members of the Paris Accords.

>>17324854
>Lithium reserves in existing mines are estimated to be 14 Million tons.
It's too bad 94% of the lithium is in the ocean. Very low density.

But it's good that lithium is easily recyclable.

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>Blocks your path

>>17325756
dude looks pretty chill, would burn petroleum with

>>17325756
bet he has a tight boipucci

>>17324152
Germany also talked about being all electric in 2030's

>People talking about EV is our biggest problem

CMON GUYS SHITY AI CARS IS REALLY OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM

>>17324152
>Hit gas pedal
>No nice sounding revs
>Just electric whine

Just feels so fake

>>17325153
Violence is correlated with poverty
Wealthier country = more chance for peace

I also hope Afghanistan gets into the medical marijuana business. They have centuries of experience growing the finest hash plants and the climate is perfect for it.

All that needs to be enforced is that profits go to the people, not corrupt politicians or terrorists.

>>17324152
Not the United States of America you fascist.

>>17326058
>not corrupt politicians or terrorists
You cannot get rid of the greedy violent people as they have too many safe havens and strongholds. They also have the semi-autonomous tribal region of northern pakistan as their safe zone.

In Afghanistan, the local politicians (warlords) surround themselves with cronies and other violent people. They took over public facilities that were built for them with western money. That can be hospitals, water treatment, and even solar power sources. They claimed it as their property and then sold access or services to the rest of the people. Or they monopolized it for themselves and their powerbase as incentives for joining up.

>>17325661
>implying electricity costs as much as fuel

>>17324198
For hating bleeding heart environmentalist hippie pieces of shit, you sure are just as idealistic.

>>17324233
This already happens with truckers.

>>17324854
[citation needed]

>>17325012
>1960-1980
>battery power was nonexistent
>1980-2010
>major, absolutely fucking ridiculous leaps and bounds in electronics, battery technology in its very infancy at the start and becoming more widespread as oil prices keep going up
>2010-
>battery technology still improving but already reaching the range of gasoline powered cars and long covered the range of the typical commute, advanced electronics extending the range further and further

>>17326238
>2020
>icecucks commit suicide on mass

>>17325999
if you want whine, Brushed DC my friend. More power and torque, less revs but you can use a 2 speed tranny. easier electronics. the only other downside is occasionally replacing the brushes.

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>>17326238
>>17326249
>muh batteries
This was never the case pic related,the reason why ev and other "alternative fuel"meme shit never caught on was because of the infrastructure and the fact that gasoline excels everywhere they
>electric sports cars
>electric trucks
>electric off-roaders
>ev in military aplication of any kind
>electric planes/rockets
Just kill yourself,evcuck!

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>>17326249
>on mass

People will still drive gas cars on the weekends and have fun with gas powered vehicles, gas wont be banned it will just be less common

>>17325756
This guy is a trillionaire

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As usual ICE cucks can't compete

>>17325728
they cant do shit to the US. Specifically because the petrodollar is still king, and we are king of the petrodollar. And while this push towards electric IS basically a sneaky way of trying to topple the petrodollar, we also basically own the UN, considering we make up most of it's budget.

who is going to dare try and sanction the US? Thats basically biting the hand that feeds, and a huge risk.

not to mention putting extra cost on shit make abroad would be against china and many other countries interests. considering the only reason china owns manufacturing right now is because of currency manipulation that makes it super cheap to produce there- and we have a wave of protectionism building in the US, what do you think would happen if "the rest of the world" decided to put high fines on products coming out of china? that would be the rest of the world putting a voluntary tariff on their own goods, which would incentivize businesses to leave for cheaper shores, which would kill china, but has the potential for exploitation by the US with the right tax incentives. And so, suddenly, the rest of the world shot itself in the foot and aided American protectionists

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>>17326601
>mfw he's gonna be paying $2M/month in alimony to that bitch in a year or two

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>>17326238
>>17326564

>English inventor Thomas Parker, who was responsible for innovations such as electrifying the London Underground, overhead tramways in Liverpool and Birmingham, and the smokeless fuel coalite, built the first production electric car in London in 1884, using his own specially designed high-capacity rechargeable batteries.[16] Parker's long-held interest in the construction of more fuel-efficient vehicles led him to experiment with electric vehicles. He also may have been concerned about the malign effects smoke and pollution were having in London.

>1884

>but by 1912, many homes were wired for electricity, enabling a surge in the popularity of the cars. At the turn of the century, 40 percent of American automobiles were powered by steam, 38 percent by electricity, and 22 percent by gasoline. 33,842 electric cars were registered in the United States, and America became the country where electric cars had gained the most acceptance.[25] Most early electric vehicles were massive, ornate carriages designed for the upper-class customers that made them popular. They featured luxurious interiors and were replete with expensive materials. Sales of electric cars peaked in the early 1910s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle#Early_history

>>17324178
Yeah, no. Here in Canada, where it snows for 8 months and can get to -40°C, that Tesla is going to get fucked. Batteries are inherently less efficient in the cold, especially extreme cold, then you add in heat for the cabin, heated seats and mirrors, defrost, etc, and you're lucky to get 200miles.

5hen you have the 25°C summer months, which also negatively affect the battery.

To add to that, the battery will charge less and less over time. Then there's the fact that the model S is a fucking $95k car, not a 25k Civic (which will run longer and better btw).

Also, where in the absolute fuck do you think your electricity comes from? I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with mole.

>>17327213
from tesla's website:
the base model in 0F temps (-17.9C) with heat on gets 205 miles on 19s, 201 on 21s
100D (longest range model) gets 272-266 in those conditions
that's also with perfect road conditions (no snow or speed changes from 65MPH), so at -40C and light snow you might get 125-150 miles in the top model, and not break 100 in the base model.

>>17327242
Kek, so in heavy snow, plus strong head on winds, it'll get somewhere from 80-90miles per 100% charge.

>This is the future, and you only have to pay 100k for it

I'll stick to my Civic and it's 500km per tank in the winter (heat on full, both seats heated and leather)

Thanks for the info look up anon. I appreciate it

>>17327242
>-40C

>>17327382
only used that number for the FUCKING LEAF, since they basically live in Siberia

>>17327213
>200 miles
More like 20

>>17327382
Only used that number because it hits it about 7-10 times a year. It's usually around -15 to -35. It's not bad, but the extremes need to be accounted for as well.
>>17327398
Implying there's anything wrong with being a Canadian (outside of our cuck prime minister)

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>>17325012
>1960-2012
>PISTON ENGINES ARE FINISHED ROTARIES ARE THE FUTURE

>>17327486
nah, I'm just joking. We need our Syrup and Timmy's from somewhere afterall. Also the Ford GT

what about trucks?

police/fire/ambulance?

>>17327563
Very obvious candidates for EV, especially fire trucks and ambulances (as well as garbage and utility trucks). Having to rely on an idling engine turning an alternator to run auxiliary systems is pretty much a rube goldberg device, complete waste and needlessly complex. Electric also allows for many useful packaging solutions that can open up a lot of chassis config options.

>>17327599
the advantage of a fire truck using an engine to power systems is to run off the grid for a long time. a better solution would be a plug in hybrid with a diesel generator that can also turn a water pump.

>>17327563
I can see it now

>Year 2025
>ICE illegal
>A small underground group of ice drivers ones up with a plan to steal a million
>Perpetrator in a Gee Tee Aru
>4 cops in a Tesla model 3 specifically designed for police use
>Giving chase
>Gee Tee Aru goes on to Highway
>Abruptly slows down and accelerates constantly through traffic
>Police trying to keep up
>Police over heat and the cars slow down
>Gee Tee Aru gets away with a collection million dollars
>Everybody is greatly triggered and hoverboards to their safe space

>>17327497
It's all good

>>17327599
that is a massive hotel load you want to put onto batteries.

you would have to plug firetrucks into local power utility lines. in order to run the pumps to fight anything bigger than a kitchen grease fire.

a better solution. is to use a gas turbine over electric hybrid setup. where a small gas turbine running on natural gas, spins a genereator. which provides energy to turn motors and charge battery.

then you have the problem of work vehicles and remote locations.

you just can't mandate the entire automobile fleet over to battery EV.

you have to look at each situation individually and find the most economical solution that is cleaner than the current petrol/diesel vehicle.

>>17327627
>hoverboards to their safe space
ASSAULT HOVERBOARDS ARE DANGEROUS
THINK OF THE CHILDREN
I BET YOU VOTED FOR BARRON TRUMP

>>17327644
#notmypresident

>>17327242
at -20c there is no snow, ice or water unless there is a major snowstorm that would justify avoiding the road at all cost and teslas are boat anchors so the wind should be a big problem.
At 120 kmh you lose so much range that their calculator cant go pass -10c.

>>17327686
Kek, I just found out that the car won't let you charge if the battery pack is below freezing since it'll damage the battery.

These things are useless here

>>17327742
wait, so you literally can't use it in the winter if you live north of the Mason-Dixon and have no garage? even if it has a battery heater, what happens if you don't have enough juice to heat the battery enough to plug it in?

100

>>17327613
>is to run off the grid for a long time
Good thing EVs have batteries

>a better solution would be a plug in hybrid with a diesel generator that can also turn a water pump.
>a better solution would be another hideously inefficient rube goldberg device
That offers nothing over what already exists

>that is a massive hotel load you want to put onto batteries.
Not really, you don't seem to understand energy storage or have any perspective on how much of a draw something like a water pump has

>a better solution. is to use a gas turbine over electric hybrid setup. where a small gas turbine running on natural gas, spins a genereator. which provides energy to turn motors and charge battery.
Another terrible, complex, inefficient "idea"


Do you guys, who know nothing about any kind of automotive, electrical, mechanical engineering, REALLY think that you are coming up with good solutions when you pull things out of your ass like that after thinking for 2 minutes?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

>>17327764
>>17327742
Teslas are one of the best selling cars in Norway.

the battery can keep it self warm.

you just can't let the car unplugged in the cold and let the battery go dead. then try and charge it.

even gasoline and diesel vehicles can't handle cold well. they have to have block heaters and be plugged in.

>>17327764
>wait, so you literally can't use it in the winter if you live north of the Mason-Dixon and have no garage?
The vehicle obviously has a battery heater on board that runs all the time

>oh no guys, just thought of something that a huge vehicle manufacturer with hundreds of the best engineers in the industry didn't think of, what if someone who owns the car is in a cold place without a garage?!?!

>>17327770
ewe dal


turbine-electric dump trucks are actually a great idea, anon.

>>17327807
Wrightspeed, a company founded by some people that helped found Tesla. They put gas turbine/electric hybrid drivetrains into medium/heavy trucks.

you can get them in diesel or cng.

>>17324152
Fuck the law, gas the kikes.

>>17327770
how is it rube goldburg if the engine is literally turning the water pump?
not to mention the energy density of the fuel is higher than the battery, leaving more room for a water tank to service remote areas.
Mech. eng. student.
>>17327788
>>17327773
won't you risk going flat if you don't plug it in, or suck up huge amounts of power running a heater if you do?
while even ICEs need heat at super low temps, their fuel isn't effected nearly as much, and doesn't slow down "refueling"
Curious though, I imagine a huge selling point in Norway for these is the AWD? do you have cheap power?
>>17327818
clearly they're shit because >>17327770 said hybrids are bad in every respect.

>>17327773
unless you have a carburetor cold isn't a problem for gas engine.

>>17327841
diesel fuel gels and develops wax solids, in below freezing temperatures.

you have to put in a fuel heaters and additives to keep it from happening. otherwise your fuel system clogs.

>>17324152
Hey guys, serious question...
If they start trying to get rid of gas stations because of electric cars starting to take over, couldn't we just make our own fuel?
80 proof moonshine is 85 Octane, and use to be used in races because people use to think it to be a higher performance fuel...
You'd have to worry about head corrosion, but you could probably add in a little Kerosene, which has anti-corrosive properties to it...

>>17328097
gas stations aren't going anywhere.

there are hundreds of millions of cars in the USA. they will be around until the end of the century.

>>17328120
It's just a theoretical. Never hurts to prepare.

>>17328130
well then I suggest you get a diesel. because it is easier to prepare waste food oil into fuel for diesel. than it is to make a gasoline car burn ethanol.

>>17327831
>Gas the kikes
>Gas
>Kikes
>Kikes want electric cars
>No more gas

It all makes sense now

>>17328120
>Until the end of the century

Lol i doubt that.

40 years maybe until petrol powered passenger vehicles are 100% recreational.

>>17328148
This. Diesel's extremely practical.

>>17327213
>where in the absolute fuck do you think your electricity comes from? I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with mole.

Dole.
People on the dole will sell taxpayer-funded electricity for cash. Just have some cars connect up.

>>17327213
>Also, where in the absolute fuck do you think your electricity comes from? I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with mole.
actually cold plants are scrambling to convert to natural gas and investors are getting out of coal pretty quickly. coal isn't dead but it's dying fast. Natural gas is a good stopgap for a totally renewable grid but i still think nuclear should be the long term baseload solution

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>>17327213
>where in the absolute fuck do you think your electricity comes from?
The problem with coal is that it releases a lot of arsenic, lead, and mercury into the air. One significant inefficiency is that the large toxic exhaust plume requires a lot of energy to process out the toxic pollutants. This requires a significant percentage of the coal plant's output of electrical energy making the coal plant less efficient at producing net electrical energy per kilogram of CO2 created.

China made coal useful by burning it without EPA restrictions or expensive pollution processing controls.

>>17327494
KEK

>>17326882
Elon is a finance sperg, a businessman and has proven he knows how to work within the legal system. I doubt he hasn't a prenuptial.

>massive solar flare hits
>chaos hits the cities, as all electronics become useless
>better hop in my electric car to escape the cha-
>shit won't start
>meanwhile everyone is clawing over the few gasoline powered vehicles left
>smugpepe.png

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>>17332460
>starter is battery powered

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>>17325032
>electric car
>care about the environment.
you dont care about the environment, you care about what people think
a 2 ton vehicle to carry your ass around isnt gonna save the world.
an 100k eletric car needing to replace batteries every 4 years has a bigger footprint than a gas powered mostly rebuildable corolla

>>17325021
great, afghans gonna be the new Saudis.

>>17327773
No dumbass, it's the coolant that makes (extreme) cold dangerous since it can expand and destroy the block. Nothing inherently wrong with ICE. Now, EVs on the other hand, just simply cannot run in the cold.

>>17332499
>he can't start a car without a starter

>>17326238
>but already reaching the range of gasoline powered cars
Tesla needs 600KG of energy storage (battery) to move 200-250miles
any decent gas powered car needs 70KG of energy storage (tank+fuel) to move 600miles

you would need something like 1.5tons of batteries to compete with 70kg of fuel, but im sure carrying that dead weight and replacing it every 4 years will save the world.

>>17332834
>battery technology will never improve

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>>17334157
Not fast enough to make any realistic difference within our lives.

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>>17328162
>/pol/ was right all along

>>17324152

wait for everyone to see global warming doesnt real and revel in the big engine revolution

>>17334213
Every prediction "scientists" made have been wrong since they've started making them. And the biggest proponents all have private jets and/or yachts.

>>17334232
There are two kinds of people who belive in climate change

Low-IQ hippies who mostly scaremonger with shit like CALIFORNIA WILL BE UNDERWATER AND ANTARTICA WILL MELT SAVE THE POLAR BEARS ;_; I MEAN PENGUINS?

And actual scientists who look at data and find things like severe weather, a worldwide redistribution of clear, sunny days now favoring the extreme north and south, and a bunch of specialised species might die off and be replaced with generalists that will then eventually evolve to fit the empty niche. In other words, nothing too bad. Unless that ice shelf in greenland falls off, then well, RIP europe.

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>>17332499
>mfw motorcycle still has carbs
>and a kickstarter

They laughed at me and called me a sissy cuckboi cuckfe racer fag, but we'll see who's laughing when they're nobike nocars in post apocalyptic trumpistan.

>>17334232

You're not wrong, and if none of their short term predictions have come true what faith can we put in their long term ones?

>>17334166
I can't wait for the next overhyped battery breakthrough to fall flat on its face. Li-S, Li-Co, graphene, what's next?

>>17325012
>1960-1980
>GAS IS OVER GAS IS FINISHED DIESEL IS THE FUTURE
In europe Diesel is like 80% of all sales, and if it is decreasing now it's because of gas hybrids.

>>17332499
Wouldn't the fuel pump be a bigger issue?

>>17332834
lets just be thankful because it made the prices of petrol crash, that is what eletric cars are really made for

>>17324152
I wonder how much lobbying the electric car companies did to make the governments do this

>>17334556
Because of government fuckery

>this fuel produces less see oh two when we burn it, let's use taxes to manipulate demand
>oh wait it also produces more poison gas, and we now have the technology to soak Co2 back out of the atmosphere, but can't do that with poison gas
>woops
>who wants a gas hybrid?

>>17334782
none at all.

they didn't exist until the mandates and tax incentives.

I've been helping an electric utility company and a DOE program promote electric and alt fuel vehicles since before the Atlanta Olympics. No one really tries to make a car that runs on anything other than gasoline and diesel. Unless a government did something first. Watch "who killed the electric car".

Don't electric vehicles hurt the environment more with charging up compared to a tank of gas?

>>17334936
Nope. Unless you're local energy company generates energy with something which is extremely polluting. Even stuff like coal, even though it's bad for the environment, pollutes less per Joule than doing it locally in a car engine with gasoline

>>17334955
internal combustion engines are one of the least thermally efficient energy sources there is.

especially such small ones like in cars.

ICE only succeeded up to now, because of how ridiculously energy dense petroleum is.

>>17324192
>model s

Unless battery technology greatly improves they won't get that range in a mass production vehicle

>>17334993
the Bolt goes 200 miles at least, with a 60 kwh battery.

>>17334993
200mi would be fine for me. Driving 200mi at a time is my limit before I need to take a break from driving anyways, so stopping by a supercharger wouldn't hamper my trip at all

>>17334973
Elon mentioned in the shareholder thingy that they will probably achieve 500-600 Wh/kg density in three years or so. Would make a big difference. Not only can you fit the same juice into less massive batteries, the wh/km goes up since your car is lighter as well

>>17327494
F E E L T H E B L A C K O U T

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>>17327818
In theory, I can make a Nissan Hardbody sound like a Huey when I start it up?

>>17332460
>>17332499
Would a solar flare really kill off electronics?

I remember something I read in /k/ regarding how solar flares mostly kill off systems with very long wires that would act like an antenna (old telegraphy, power lines).

>>17335106
aye. "kill" is a strong word though. a similar sized flare to the solar storm of 1859 would cause up to two and a half trillion dollars in damage

>Trump cracks down on EPA
>allows Midwest to build oil refineries so that we can start moving the hueg stockpile of oil through
>oil refineries pump out millions of barrels of oil
>supply soars
>gas prices plummet to pennies on the dollar
>electric cars die out
>Musk commits suicide

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>>17326238
>Battery power was nonexistent until 1980

>>17327242
From real reviews, a mild winter in the northeast US cut the range to 175 miles on asphalt and somewhat hilly terrain. I hate to think what that would become anywhere colder and with worse roads.

>>17332460
>>17332499
>Implying a solar flare would be that powerful
>Imblyegin that emp/solar flares aren't massively overhyped by complete retards

>>17335106
Modern cars are emp tested pretty extensively and can survive surprisingly well.

>>17325728
>then the USA could be carbon tax "fined" into submission
Keep dreaming.
Who's going to collect?

>inb4 poo powered cars in india

Somebody answer truthfully and without bias: how close REALLY is the death of ICE cars?

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>>17324943
WEW

>>17337784
>how close REALLY is the death of ICE cars?
no bs answer.
A long way off.
The middle class can't just run out and buy a new electric car and people on average are owning their cars for longer.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/28/americans-holding-onto-their-cars-longer-than-ever.html
Additionally most Americans don't want electric vehicles.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2017/04/17/surprise-70-of-millenials-do-not-want-electric-vehicles/

The infrastructure is already in place for ICE cars. You need as many or more electro-charging stations as gas stations before electric cars are even viable.
The only caveat here is that electro-cars can be charged from home but as we all know, eletricity costs money
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-power-prices-20140426-story.html
And this is in an age where there are severe doubts about the most efficient electricity generation we have, nuclear power.

We are nowhere close to using up our oil reserves, we are nowhere close to halfway depleted, we are finding more and more oil deposits all the time which is why gas keeps getting cheaper.
i'm not normally a tinfoil but it seems like the media is very very very loud about trying to push electric cars.

>>17337784
Never happening

We can produce fuel for them literally out of thin air.

>>17337824

>70% of millennials "don't want" electric cars
>99% of millennials cannot afford electric cars

Fucking fixed that shit homie, most people my age are still putzing about in their ancient shitboxes they used in uni because they're still stuck working at the local diners and call centers and can't afford better.

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>>17324152
>Norway
>India
>China

>>17325647
>people buying new cars will buy electric over gas
Only in the cities. The result will be the car companies pandering to city people and killing gas cars, and a rise of the auto mechanic industry due to rural people such as myself continuing to use aging gasoline vehicles

>>17325727
>the industry want to go with degrading battery life in exchange for convenience.

Why wouldn't they, they can do the Cat thing and sell a car at virtually zero profit if they DRM the battery pack and know the customer has to come back for a new one every five years. Planned obsolescence and the disposable society makes them money.

>>17336997
We have nukes, you pay up or face the consequences.

>>17324198
>just 13 years
It'll happen in 5 at most anon.

>>17324854
>implying you can't recycle lithium
>implying there aren't new types of batteries already that don't use lithium

>>17332460
>hop in any care made in this century
>won't start since almost everything is still computer controlled

How fucked is the middle east when everyone stops giving a fuck about oil? Will they start exporting terrorism exclusively?

In Norway, electric cars had a 29% market share last year.

[Response 1: My commute is 300 miles! As a result this electric vehicle is useless for everyone!]

[Response 2: Some electricity is coal-generated! As a result, in all jurisdictions, this car is more polluting than a 1973 VW Microbus!]

>>17339320
When you look at embedded energy a 1973 microbus has a massive advantage. Add in that it's already been made buying a new car to save the environment, even if you have 100% Co2 neutral electricity is a folly.

>>17339316
Not true, hybrids had a 29% market share.

>>17338755
>We have nukes, you pay up or face the consequences.
We have more than you.

>>17339650
Like that matters, we have more than enough to wipe your entire shit heap of a country off the face of the world and there is nothing you could do to stop it.

>>17339320
Response 3: EVs are marketed as a symbol of taking everything I like about driving away. Because they're novel, and therefore must embody some trekkie's shit vision of the future. iPad interiors, driver aids, pigfatness, crap suspensions meant for comfort and little else, no gears despite it being an engineering possibility and a bloody fun one. Tesla is solely to blame for this. Someone could step up to the plate and make an electric car for MY market, small as it may be. But nobody has, yet, unless you count electric motorcycles which are bloody fun and have about the same range as a supermoto with meager charge times because of the small batteries.

>>17339656
Nope sorry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/us/politics/missile-defense-test-north-korea.html?_r=0
Also as soon as you launch yours we launch ours, you're fucked even if one of yours touches us m8.
Enjoy obscurity.

>>17339687
NYT fake news central you are fucked.

>>17339694
That's fine if you think so but it's correct and you're fucked.
Come take your money peasant.

>>17339670
This
The attitude surrounding Tesla completely killed the brand for me, as well as Musk's other ventures

Fuck electric cars. I just want to drive STIs with it's rumble and my obnoxious aftermarket exhaust until i die.

>>17324152
doesn't phase me. Electric cars ARE just a better concept for a car. They won't outlaw driving our enthusiast mobiles. When petrol stations get shut down we will just need to order petrol online.