Should people be required to understand basic car maintenance

>>17316402
pretty sure doing that to a wheel is against the Geneva Convention as a crime against humanity.

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>>17316402
>yfw at least in Huehueland the first course you do before even having simulator classes includes 20 hours of basic vehicle maintenance

Peopel forget, OP.
As well as poor learning quality/DMV authorities who don't give a fuck.

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>>17316402
WHAT THE FUCK MAN

>>17316402
>women

>>17316402
That can't be real...

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>>17316402

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>and an axe

>>17316402
We should be teaching shit like that in school instead of pointless shit nobody will ever use like Algebra and Trig. Then fucking idiots won't wait on the side of the road for 2 hours while AMA or whatever shows up to change a tire. Fucking up traffic in the mean time.

>>17316446
Unless you're 80 years old, this is actually false. It is technically required to learn, but since the actual test have no mechanical quests, most schools just skip it.

T. Someone who just got his definitive driver's license.

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>>17316513
>yfw the whole theorical course is pretty shit

At least in my town the route they tell you to do the test is piss easy.
No wonder why there's a fuckload of assholes on the road.

>>17316497
>shit nobody will ever use like Algebra and Trig
Algebra has endless applications and is absolutely necessary to do anything more complicated than calculate a tip at a fucking restaurant. Trig is merely an extension of algebra RE: angles. Algebra is also taught in the first year of highschool so it's some pretty fucking basic shit. If you want your country to become a third world with no smart people in it at all, then sure, cancel it in favor of remedial wrenching. Everyone will be a fucking idiot but at least they'll be able to change a tire!

Logic like this is what led to Common Core. There's a reason mechanics tend to be white trash and oil change and tire places are filled with dumb kids. Car basics are FUCKING EASY. You gain nothing by catering to the lowest common denominator. If you teach higher concepts and problem-solving, stuff like mechanics should come naturally. The real problem with OP's screencap is that it was a fucking woman who probably just lacked the arm strength to remove a stubborn nut.

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>>17316497
Yea, except people actually use algebra in real like you braindead fuck. Americans are seriously the dumbest group of people on the planet.

>>17316560
*real life
dumb autocorrect.

>>17316560
Why do you have that image on your computer?

>>17316478
I know the person. It's completely real

>>17316612
He's a fagoot Russian that's so poor he owns a truck that revs less than a LS motor and takes out his anger by posting on this board. Ignore him.

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>>17316612
i like muscular guys. why?
>>17316630
I'm not a russian?????

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>>17316630
I am not Alphonse and why would a 350 sbc not revving be a problem

also

>motor

>>17316556
>>17316560
Most high school students will drop out or work at basic ass jobs. It's almost 2020 and there's an app for everything these days. Teach basic shit to the dindu's and the advanced shit to people that want to achieve something in life.

Mechanics might be dumb and greasy but once they pay off their garage and tools they'll be pulling in more than the average person with some fancy useless degree.

>>17316665
Imagine being this racist and retarded

>>17316497
My high school actually had a autoshop class where you learned shit like that. It was an elective but still, I learned a ton of useful stuff there

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>>17316402
well, in my country you have to show that you know some basic shit like how do you check oil level or where to refill brake fluid

Nowadays anyone can just call the tow, so it's not really necessary to pass wheel change test (like it's something that difficult anyway). Although some people hate towing for some reason:

>few days ago, driving to college
>70kmph limit street
>mercedes a-class before me, pic related, generic woman car
>as it accelerates, its rear starts to run away to the right
>at some point car is tilted ~15 degrees to where it should point at, running in the 90's
>i'm carefully slowing down to make more space
>its left rear wheel starts to wobble
>wobble gets worse and worse, at some point entire car starts to jump up and down a ltitle
>car slows down on the next lights
>i'm waving to lower windows
>oh boy, it's actually a woman
>"hey, your wheel almost fell off"
>"i know, i'm driving to mechanic"
that was the moment when i wasn't really sure what to say, just freezed for a moment trying to comprehend
>"um, okay, don't die"
>"k bye"

frankly, i doubt she made it. that wasn't (obviously) just a loose wheel or something, her entire rear suspension was broken beyond anything i ever saw in my life

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>>17316665
>Certifiable Mouth-Breather: The Post

>>17317709
>t. Spent $60k on degree to make $12 an hour.

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>>17316402
Just when i think nobody can be that retarded i get proven wrong

>>17317617
>>"um, okay, don't die"
>>"k bye"
rofl

>>17316402
Nah keeps the economy flowing and greasemonkeys in business

>Bold
>Bald
>Stripped

Just why man.
>Axe marks nowhere near the nut in question

>>17316488
huh, I didn't realise snakes drink water

>>17316402
>bold lock nut ?
>bald ?
gas axe and a breaker bar
or drill bit and a cold chisel

>>17316556
why learn something so redundant
mechanics reference book has all the tables anyway

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>>17316402
>Should people be required to understand basic car maintenance before receiving their licence

That's funny.
In 1st world countries this is actually included in the license education and you will fail if you fail questions about it in the test.

>>17317925
That's what I was about to say. Fucking learned something today.

>>17317925
>>17317964
doesn't everything that's alive drink water?

>>17316446
this is good, because then underage shitskins get brave when modding their CNG cars and go el kaboomo at the filling station

>>17317925
Basically all organisms on earth need water to survive.

>>17317955
first aid course is required in some places too

>>17316402
It's part of the driving test in the UK...

>>17317983
Yes, because of the fundamental way in which life here has evolved.

Hydrogen bonding strong as fuck.

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>>17316402
>Should people be required to understand basic car maintenance before receiving their licence
That kind of rule would be ruled discriminatory since the racial discrimination activists almost always file discrimination lawsuits against every type of law or ordinance that uses any kind of "meritocracy" or "knowledge" restriction.


>>17316612
>Why do you have that image on your computer?
Alphonse / Musashia / Beta / A. is a bitter troll who carefully makes technically legal spammy new threads to drive good threads off the board. He also sometimes deliberately posts bad answers. Woe be to you to follow that advice.

Alphonse is one of those posters that supported BLM in past threads. So it's no surprise he trolls (vandalizes) this board. It's part of the revenge attitude those kinds of activists have. He reports people who try to talk about statistics and crime since the truth is too painful and strikes home for him.

It's a shame he has chosen this approach. It's a travesty to free speech since he supports censorship of things he doesn't like. He likes to label others as racist. To people like him, every type of problem occurred as a result of racism.

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>>17318235
holy fuck, imagine being this autistic

>>17318055
>>17317983
But you don't imagine a snake going up to a body of water and having a sip, do you

>>17318289
I actually do

That's why you have to be so careful of snakes near bodies of water. Because they are active when they need water.

>>17316402
Is no one going to mention the fact that she got all the other ones off with that shit

>>17316402
desu people who call roadside assistance for a flat tyre should be shot in the back of the head execution style.

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>>17316488
cute!

>>17318310
I had to do that once because the GM-made jack didn't do it's job. Just kept slipping out and trying to murder my shins.

I remember seeing a thread at the top of reddit recently about some young adult who needed someone to stop and help him and change his tire, upvoted to the front page. With so many kids growing up with single mothers today, it's not surprising that fewer people know how to do simple, traditionally masculine activities, like changing a tire/wheel. It's not the kids' fault.

>>17318055
>>17317983
Alot of animals get water primarily through their food

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>>17316488

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>>17316497
>Algebra and trig
>pointless

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>>17316402

>>17318340
>It's not the kids' fault.
If you can't figure out how to turn 5 bolts, it is most definitely your fault. If you can't logic your way past "I need to lift the car off the ground before I can remove the wheel" then it's definitely your fault. Don't excuse willful ignorance. All men have an innate critical thinking and problem solving ability because that is how men's minds work. Whether a man is "stupid" or not is just whether he chooses to use that ability, or let other people solve his problems for him. The waning intelligence in the USA is because capitalism has created an environment where you can pay ANYONE to solve ANY problem, and getting money to pay those people isn't even a problem because of credit cards and loans being so easily accessible.

Women are excused for not having mechanical ability, because their brains don't work that way. Logic takes a backseat to emotion for them, so when something doesn't work out immediately, they just become angry or sad and panic and lose their ability to reason.

And people with actual learning disabilities are omitted from the above arguments.

>>17318347
Dolphins and whales get all their water through the fish they eat.
I think so.e animals absorb water.. I could be way wrong about that though.

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>>17316402

>>17319357
Isn't that the guy who works at the hoonigan shop? If so I'm pretty sure he did this as a joke

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>>17319384
If that's the case, here's an alternative.

>>17316402
Fuck man this is a sfw board, Gore goes in /b/

>>17318289
>snakes typically live in wet places near bodies of water
>it's hard to imagine them drinking from said bodies of water

>>17319384
For sure thats Hert he knows what hes doing lol

>>17319384
yeah it's also a meme that he doesn't know how to work on cars

>>17316402
>using an axe
I blame hollywood and their "shooting locks makes them open" mentality

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>>17316402
I'd imagine this if you'd explain it to her it'd end up like this

>>17319651
Islam can't come soon enough

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>>17316497
>Algebra and Trig
>pointless shit nobody will ever use

>>17316497
*Puffs blunt*
Yeaaah we don't need no school
*Coughs*
It's all an institution
*Reads about flat earth*

>>17319651
Gas the women, gender war now.

>>17320038
Yeah I'm sure you use it every day as a cashier at Publix. Have fun making $8 an hour.

>>17319651
>I'd imagine this if you'd explain it to her it'd end up like this
She's clearly one of those liberal types that wants to interpret everything as discriminatory so that she can nuke it with a discrimination accusation.

>>17320073
you use a lot of algebra and trig as a fabricator/fitter
speaking from personal experience

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>>17316402
>yous

>>17316402
>Should people be required to understand basic car maintenance before receiving their licence
Hahaha, fucking 3rd worlders holy shit. I bet you don't even need to be able to drive manual to get your license.

>>17316402
Sure, but it helps business by having retarded people.

My latest blessing
>at work (Ford dealer, as a service advisor)
>phone rings
>"yeah uh I have a 2016 F250 with the 6.7 in it, and I wasn't really paying attention this morning when I put fuel and DEF in it and I accidentally put a gallon of DEF in the fuel tank. I drove it and it started shuddering, so I pulled over and turned it off. Would I be okay to drive it there you think?"
>Well, you've already done the damage. But I wouldn't drive try to start it back up. Just have it towed here.
>"It's a 2016 you think this will be covered under warranty?"
>unfortunately, no. Ford doesn't cover this kind of thing
>diesel tech brings me parts list
>entire high pressure fuel system (pump, injectors, etc)
>lift pump
>fuel cooler
>35 hrs labor at $125/hr
>$11,700 with taxes
>call customer with news
>he approves it
I feel bad for the guy, but damn am I looking forward to the paycheck that comes after it's finished.

>>17320148
>ever buying a diesel

I don't care how much torque they make that price is unacceptable

>>17320148
This is why playing dumb is your friend.
"I don't know what happened."

Nobody is gonna spend the time trying to figure out what happened.

>>17320275
Welcome to direct injection, it's a bitch.

>>17320275
Well the cabin comfort is unbelievable, and if you do need to haul ~10,000lbs worth of stuff it's totally worth it.

Not that many people need that kind of long term hauling power/ride comfort though

>>17320148
Honestly doesn't sound so very retarded. Aside from putting the DEF in the fuel tank, his/her actions/questions were perfectly fine. Turning it off right away, asking if it'd be okay to drive anyway, asking (just asking) if it's a case for warranty. Considering this happened in the US, diesels aren't very common there, DEF probably is even less common, I wouldn't expect the average customer to know what DEF is and what happens to the fuel system when you put it in the fuel tank. My dad had 6 million miles in different diesel cars under his belt when he filled up on premium gasoline once and didn't notice for several miles, mishaps happen when you're a wagecuck and leave for work at 6am.

>>17320283
Fucking Americans, I hate you so very much.

>>17317932
So you don't need a book to tell you how to do something most 8th graders should know how to do.

>>17320291
Dealerships and car companies are used to paying to fix shit. You're not harming anyone in withholding the truth.

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>>17317617
>"um, okay, don't die"
oy im laffin

>>17318310
Because you always have

>A jack
>A spare
>A safe place to change the tire
>The tools to do it

>>17320283
>Implying technicians are dumb and wouldn't take a fuel sample.

Outcome would have been the same.

>>17320447
Standard equipment in the trunk of literally every car. The only exception is the repair kit when you the tire is shredded beyond repair.

>>17320148
>I feel bad for the guy, but damn am I looking forward to the paycheck that comes after it's finished.
My chevy stealership service advisor is always trying to disqualify repairs under warranty for that reason of paycheck bonus. The shop claims they are not under commision, but they clearly have some sort of monthly incentive bonus to steer repairs away from in-warranty service.

Even the free oil change with the new car was disqualified because the car's oil change indicator didn't say it was under 10% life remaining. Of course the advisor recommended I get an oil change at the full dealership price. It doesn't matter that I had reset it myself when experimenting with the reset button.

>>17320283
Playing dumb would have been worse in his case
>what is additional diagnosis time

>>17320858
For me there's only a 2% commission on everything that gets processed with my name on it. I don't try and upsell shit because I'd rather have customers return instead of gouging their souls out of their wallet. I always try and get people warranty work when I can because they're more likely to come back.

That all sounds like bullshit, and of course it's all different between franchises and dealers and advisors. All I know is my own experience and I'm punching out in a few weeks anyway.

>>17316665
>most
what are you talking about

>>17320852
This just in! A safe place to change your tire is included with literally every car!

>>17320935
Don't be an idiot, it doesn't suit you.

>>17317983
Koala's typically don't drink water and get it through Eucalyptus, although they can drink it when in need.

>>17320951
Not to mention the fact you can't always trust the wonder-wheel, and no, not all cars come with a spare. Not to mention, what happens when you have TWO flats? Or are you going to say all cars come with 4 spare?

>>17320951
Oh yeah, and let me touch on this:

>Don't be an idiot, it doesn't suit you.

1) You don't know me. For all you know I'm mentally retarded. Don't assume being an idiot doesn't suit me.

2) I'm not being an idiot by being unwilling to attempt to change my tire in bad weather, bad neighborhoods, on the side of the highway during extreme traffic, or in an area where the jack will just sink into the ground.

3)
>Calling others idiots when you're wrong as fuck.

>>17320890
>I always try and get people warranty work when I can because they're more likely to come back.
Same poster as before. My chevy stealership is huge and doesn't have to care because its service bays are always full of non-warranty work (excepting takata airbags and other recalls). So there is no incentive for them to accept warranty work unless there is a gap in the schedule.

That's why warranty work may have as much as a 2 week appointment wait because their service advisors use this computer program. They seem to like scheduling multiple warranty jobs together to create double-charging overlap. I see the same tech crossing over to work on other cars during my charged service time. That way, when the tech finishes one job earlier in the block of charged time, he has those spare minutes to use towards another job. Never mind those spare minutes were charged to a different person's car. By overlapping, they seem to generate a higher profit per hour per square foot of shop space.

The state also allows time estimate chunks as large as a quarter hour and not by minutes. So the dealership uses that for non-warranty work estimates. Of course course, there are spare minutes out of those chunks not used which can apply towards another job. I've noticed that too, but it is hard to get a good view since they don't let customers watch or talk to the techs. The service area has its own giant door that comes down to prevent even short glimpses of what goes on. Thus, they work in nearly a black box.

It claims to be a family-owned business. A family of Shylocks evidently. It says all the right PC words, but is a shylock corp with incentivized shylock employees.

Thankfully, I have another car to drive.

All it takes is a hammer and the right sized socket...
Removed all 4 with little to no fuss...
But yeah, people can be dumb
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>>17320988
>>17321006
Alright faggots, do you REALLY think the guy who said people who call for assistance should be shot wouldn't exempt situations where changing the tire yourself is impossible or unfeasible? Stop arguing for the sake of arguing.

>>17316402
what's a bold lock?

>>17319343
you're right

cats used to get almost all their water from meat, and still need meat for water soluble nutrients

>>17320049
this

>>17316497
while you may not think that algebra and trig help you at all, you think very differently knowing geometry and relationships of functions, even if you arent doing math on a whiteboard every day

>>17319343

You're right about animals absorbing water too.. Toads soak up water through their skin.

>>17318347
>>17319343

Animals have blood inside not water. Jesus you people are fucking stupid.

>>17316402
Well that wheel isn't worth stealing anymore.

>>17321206
>faggots
You... You realize I didn't in any way hide the fact that both of those posts are mine, right? And yes, he doesn't exempt the fact that not EVERY vehicle has a working spare or the tools to change a tire. He is literally implying that there is no situation where changing a tire is impossible. I'm not the one being argumentative either way.

>>17316402
How the fuck did this cunt not think to DRILL the thing?
That's how you fucking get stuck nuts off.

>>17316488
that snakes fat as fuck

>>17321794

*THICC

>>17320148
What would be a retarded price to ask for 10k service? I've got a 2017 mustang, just curious what ballpark is if I check different dealers.

>>17319357
NO HERT NO

>>17318350
I jumped back and fell off my chair. Fuck me I thought I was gonna be attacked.

>>17316665
>once they pay off their garage and tools
keep telling yourself that cleetus

>>17317727
>This is the cost of an education in "The Land of the Free"

>>17321906
We offer "the works" which is $39.95 for oil and filter change (up to 5 quarts, any more will bring it up $5.06/quart for a synthetic blend) and tire rotation. You don't need an air filter until 30K.

>>17322230
How much synthetic is really in that synthetic blend?

>>17322242
Dunno

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1666844

>>17322217
No it isn't. If you don't take out student loans you are $0 in debt. You see, there's this thing called "FAFSA" that you aren't asked to pay back.

>>17322265
Interesting read, thanks anon.

>battery up and died when I tried to leave for work in the morning.
>"dammit". Text boss saying battery died will be a little late
> use wife's car to boost, up and go on my way. Whole thing takes 15mins
> get to work 5mins late. people are surprised and asked how I got here fast.
> " I thought your car died?" ya I boosted it. " CAA got to you fast!". No, luckily wife hadn't left yet so I used her car to boost.
> buddy has a laugh at me but offers to boost after work so I can get new battery.

When it came to it he had no idea how so I was humble in showing him how with the "red on dead, red on live, black on live, black on dead/ground" instruction. Anyway the day caught me by surprise that people did not know how to boost which to me should be must-know knowledge given how handy and essential it is.

I bought a Kirkland battery as replacement.

>>17322356
It's shocking to me the amount of people who don't get simple concepts like color coded wiring. It's literally designed to be user friendly. I had to walk my 5th grade teacher through how to hook a DVD player up back in, like, 2001. Literally "Red to Red, White to White, Yellow to Yellow"

>>17320852
I had a saturn ion that didn't come with a jack

>>17322427
Did ya buy it used? Because I had that happen recently. Bought a truck, no jack. Two days ago, I went to salvage yard, bought the jack I need for $10.

>>17322356
>>17322392
I'm shit at STEM so I still don't understand why I must connect the negative terminal on the good car to the chassis of the dead car

Send help

>>17322166
How does it feel to be an insufferable retard?

>>17322664
well, battery minus is distributed through the car by the car chassis, isn't it? if you'd connect it straight to the battery, battery would start taking entire power it can, but if you'll connect it to the chassis, it'll be farther away from the (draining) dead battery minus and closer to your starter motor. What you want during jump start is just power the starter motor enough for engine to start running, not actually charge battery.

i think it should still work with minus to minus connection though, it could only need more time to initially load since battery would eat more power that could be used in starter motor instead

tl;dr i'm not really an expert on this subject, but i'm pretty much sure that the only reason is to provide more direct electric path to the starter motor. correct me if i'm wrong

>>17322356
>"red on dead, red on live, black on live, black on dead/ground

I didn't really understand this fully when someone taught me until I tried to jump my car and hooked up red and black on the live battery and then the other side started clanging together and arcing.

>>17322326
That's not what the FAFSA is at all.

>>17318310
Many new cars nowadays don't come with the necessary equipment because they want you to get everything done at a dealership. That and weight reduction

>>17322689
>well, battery minus is distributed through the car by the car chassis, isn't it? if you'd connect it straight to the battery, battery would start taking entire power it can, but if you'll connect it to the chassis, it'll be farther away from the (draining) dead battery minus and closer to your starter motor. What you want during jump start is just power the starter motor enough for engine to start running, not actually charge battery.

Aw shit, I got it now
Much appreciated

>>17322689
That's not how electricity works anon.

>>17322689
>>17322752
There is literally no appreciable difference between hooking a negative to the battery's negative terminal or to the car's chassis.

In the later situation the car is simply acting as a longer conductor to the battery terminal.

>>17316402

No. They should be required to do the maintenance as part of their finance contract or risk higher interest rates.

>>17322689
>>17322871
I thought it was just so it's less likely to spark near the battery that vents extremely flammable hydrogen?

>>17322911
The dispersion rate of hydrogen in atmosphere is so high and the vented amount so low this is not even a minor concern.

>>17316497
Protip: automotive stuff is pointless shit nobody will ever use to someone who won't drive a car.

Learning about cars should be something that people who want to drive cars are required to do.

>>17322961
You're forgetting that high school courses are selected by the students. So those students that don't want to know, won't pick that course even though they will drive cars.

>>17322688
Whoosh. You tell me.

>>17322726
>That's not what the FAFSA is at all.
Yes it is. Money that goes directly to the college to pay for tuition that you aren't obligated to pay back. Please educate yourself before opening your mouth.

>>17319357
he liked my beard and gave me beard life stickers at formula d atlanta in like 2010. i had no idea who this was until now...

>>17316556
>Car basics are FUCKING EASY
Yeah, right. Unless by basics you mean changing a wheel then yes.

>>17322726
FAFSA literally stands for
Free
Application
for
Federal
Student
Aid

Aid in the government's eyes doesn't need to be paid back as it isn't a loan.

>>17316665
>mouth breathing intensifies

>>17316488

Snakes drink water?
They drink it that way?

Never thought they could be so cute

>>17321111

nice quads

how stuff like warranty work is done is based off of "book time". The manufacturer sets a book time for how long a repair should take, often times by timing their technicians at corporate as they do the job.

So let's say the book time on a starter is 3 hours to remove and replace. A good technician might be able to do it in 2 hours. The technician and the dealership still get paid for 3 hours, so the tech can go work on something else. This motivates a good employee to learn how to do the work efficiently as possible so they can book 50-60 hours a week or more and still only physically be there 40 hours. 50% more pay? Who's going to turn that down?

Now, let's say something goes wrong during the starter replacement - one of the bolts snapped off and they have to drill it out and rethread the hole. Now it took 4 hours to do a 3 hour job. The technician and the shop still only were paid 3 hours, even though it took 4. So sometimes you can lose out on that system.

>>17325403
>Now it took 4 hours to do a 3 hour job. The technician and the shop still only were paid 3 hours, even though it took 4. So sometimes you can lose out on that system.
No, the stealership comes back out and says during the repair, they found another problem. Do you want to authorize it or have the repair stopped if you don't authorize to repair it. I've had that happen to me at this chevrolet stealership.

>>17320049

Get fucked cunt, I'm on the choof every day and damned if I don't use Algebra each day and trig whenever we are doing rigging or radar plotting.

>>17322923

You what?

As someone who spent a few hours in ED getting plastic and lead pulled out of my eyeballs, try and think that through again you inexperienced fuck.

Have you dealt with FLA batteries any further than looking at a gloss photo in a text book?

>>17324395
>>17324922
A FAFSA is not money or a garantee of money. It's an application students must fill out to see if they are eligable for any federal student aid.

Saying "there's this thing called "FAFSA" that you aren't asked to pay back." is fucking stupid. It's an application not something you can pay back. And just filling out the FAFSA does not guarantee you get any money.

>ITT dropouts that dont know shit about going to college or trying to pay for it trying to talk shit to people who have been to college.

>>17326382
A battery will not explode from sparks when connecting conductors at the terminal. you probably did something stupid to cause the battery to explode.

Shut the fuck up retard.

>>17318333
I was changing the wheels on the Silverado I used to have in my driveway one time and found that the jack provided with it doesn't actually get high enough to left the wheels. The truck was stock, not even like it had a lift kit or anything.
Good job GM. Glad I never got a flat.

>>17317955
Well America is the richest 3rd world country.

I often wonder how much better off the roads would be if It was as difficult to get a drivers license as it is to get a pilots license. Would immediately relieve the issues of congestion.

>>17325323
Yes and yes. They get a lot of their water from their food too. Also snakes are very cute.

>>17326382
lol yeah im let the dumb fuck who blew himself up with a car battery tell me how to jump start a car. ive never blown myself up with all the dozens of cars ive jumped so OBVIOUSLY IM THE ONE WHO IS DOING SOMETHING WRONG

>>17327932
>America
>3rd world country.

Are you really this stupid? Do you really not know what 3rd world means?

>>17318350
Those old snake skins look like condoms

>>17327759

And why is that kiddo? Can the buildup of Hydrogen tell if the spark originated from the contact of a load to the terminal or another source?

Please, tell me why something that happened didn't happen because a highschooler on the internet thinks so.
>>17328043

You're doing a lot wrong if you can't understand how a mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen will ignite with a spark.

Are either of you two dumb cunts over 12 years old?

>>17328751
>buildup of Hydrogen
Except this doesn't happen outside of a sealed vessel.

>because a highschooler
ironic because you clearly have zero practical chemistry experience and did something stupid the blow up a battery and are trying to pretend like it wasnt your fault for doing something stupid.

>>17328864

Try again boyo. I've worked on more batteries of all sorts of chemistry than total times you've touched your dick, and as it sounds like you are experiencing puberty for the first time that'd be a fair bit.

Pull me up a single document that specifies there is no chance an explosive mixture will be discharged by a FLA cell on charge, enclosed or not.

Just one will do fine.

For each one you post, I'll grab nine advisories and an accident report.

Take your time you basic fuck, you'll need it.

Also, can you grab the well known decade and a half old video used by industry instructors (like me) of a N70ZZ on charge where within three seconds of spark application, the unit detonates? You know, the one where the N70ZZ is un-enclosed on a workshop bench with a 13.8v charger applied. The one that covers the dummy with acid, plastic and lead. If you're stuck let me know, I have all sorts of good videos and images of FLA failure by combustion.

Or maybe you don't know where to get this video as it does seem you wouldn't know shit from clay if you were chewing on it.

>>17328936
No need to get so butthurt you little tool. You dont understand basic chemistry and did something stupid with a battery and got hurt doing something literally a retarded monkey could do without incident.

Not everyone can be above the mean intelligence level bro. No need to be upset that you're on the wrong side of the bell curve. The fact that you have a job reserved exclusively for highschool drop outs does not impress anyone.

https://www.eecbg.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/pdfs/28890xx.pdf

>>17328936
>>17329049

And just in case your retarded highschool drop out ass missed the punch line. The study indicated that there was no substantial risk of a combustible state EVEN WITH a hydrogen leak rate of 7200 liters/hour in an enclosed garage for 30 minutes from a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle.

7200liters/hour is at least an order of magnitude greater than the hydrogen vent rate on a lead-acid battery.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. You did some stupid shit to have a battery blow up in your face and you're simply not smart enough or responsible enough to take responsibility for the stupid shit you did. Instead you try to blame some long disproved wives tale about spark combustible lead acid batteries instead of the real culprit: Your own astronomical amount if idiocy and incompetency at completing a simple as shit task like charging a battery.

Can't say I'm surprised a drop out like you got something so simple so wrong and still doesn't understand or take responsibility for his own fuck ups.

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>>17329098
>>17329049
>>17328936

>>17329049

Ah, almost. Almost.

My job is reserved for other Kalibrierung Tekniker. I wouldn't let you make me a coffee.

Speaking of Chemistry, lay it on me. Where in the charging cycle as a percentage is the production of H2 and O2 highest for a FLA cell?

Your link is cute, did you read the abstract or any further? Why is there no reference to FLA cells in this document? Why is this document referring to the propagation of a jet of Hydrogen in a space where the Hydrogen makes up less than 4.1% volume? Typical atmospheric testing of the ENCLOSED space in the cell is over 70% Hydrogen.

So instead of talking about small quantities of combustible gas in large volumetric spaces like alternative fuel cells in car garages, lets get back to the topic at hand of small volumetric spaces like the cells of a FLA battery flooded with high concentrations of Hydrogen gas.

Disproved wives tale hmm? Disprove it then kiddo. With a LEL of 4% and UEL of 70%, prove to the world that Hydrogen will not combust when in the presence of oxygen and introduced to a spark. Prove wrong everyone from your high school teacher who you never listened to all the way up to every FLA cell manufacturer on this planet.

If only you were aware of just how buttfuck retarded this notion of yours is. Never mind, at least the rest of the world is.

So you tell me champ. Why did the FLA battery in the video explode three seconds after the introduction of a spark if not for the presence of Hydrogen in the ENCLOSED space in the cells? If it was not the flame front moving through the caps and into the cells, what caused the combustion?

Insults mean nothing when you are so stupid you believe a FLA cell won't combust, or that Hydrogen won't burn. You are a special kind of dumb as fuck.

>>17329049

What's the go with this then too? Let me grab a couple of these.

5. Background information - Why does a battery explode?

5.1. Mechanism

H2 and O2 gases are produced inside the battery casing during charging, and when almost fully charged, the H2 and O2 production rate increases. It also increases during overcharging or too rapid charging.

The 2:1 volume ratio for the H2:O2 produced, excluding the effect of other gases that may be present, creates a very explosive mixture.

The 4% lower and 75% upper explosion limits for hydrogen in air means it can explode over a wide range of concentrations, so partial dilution/ventilation is probably insufficient. The H2 concentration needs to be below 4%.

5.2. External ignition

Any ignition source in the zone where hydrogen is within its explosive range increases the likelihood of an external explosion. If a path to inside the battery exists - e.g. for a vented battery, the flame front may continue into the casing, igniting any gases there, and increasing pressure inside the casing. The casing, not designed to withstand this pressure, will probably explode, potentially injuring bystanders.

For a VRLA battery, an external flame can't enter the sealed battery casing, the vent valve releases one way only, and only small quantities of gas will be released. In the unlikely event gas from the vent valve is ignited, it will not be contained and no solids or chemicals will be propelled.

>>17329049

3.9 VENTILATION OF BATTERIES AND BATTERY COMPARTMENTS
3.9.1 General
To avoid the potential for an explosion or fire, battery compartments, rooms
and boxes shall be well ventilated to free air so that hazardous gases
cannot accumulate.
NOTE: This clause is based on AS 3011.1, AS 3011.2, AS 2676.1 and AS 2676.2.
While these standards are for batteries with voltages above 24 V and most marine
battery installations are 12 V or 24 V, the general provisions in the standards are
applicable.
3.9.2 Minimum exhaust rate
The minimum exhaust ventilation rate required to maintain the
concentration of hazardous gases below 2 per cent is calculated by the
following formula:
q . n I
v
 0 006
where
q v = the minimum exhaust ventilation rate, in litres per second
n = the number of battery cells
I = the charging current, in amperes
National Standard for Commercial Vessels Part C Section 5 Subsection 5B
April 2011 Page 25 Edition 2.1
3.9.3 Natural ventilation
For natural ventilation the minimum size of inlet and outlet vents is given
by:
A  100 qv
where
A = the minimum area of vent, in square centimetres
q v = the minimum exhaust ventilation rate, in litres per second
With natural ventilation, an air velocity of at least 0.1 m/s is assumed.
NOTE: Based on the provisions of AS 2676 and AS 3011.
3.9.4 Mechanical ventilation
Where mechanical ventilation is used to meet the minimum exhaust rate
(qv) the following shall apply—
a) exhaust air shall be discharged outside the ship's structure;
b) fans shall not be located within a duct (i.e. best mounted at discharge
end of duct);
c) exhaust ducting shall have a positive gradient over the full length of the
duct and shall not connect to other ductwork;
d) non sparking material shall be used for fan blade and fan housing;
e) controls for the fan shall be external to the compartment being
ventilated; and
f) air flow shall be monitored and an audio/visual flow alarm fitted.

>>17329099
I dunno man, even in a 100,000 litre enclosure, I still wouldn't like 3000 litres of hydrogen.

>>17329049

From the APC (Uninterruptible Power Supply Manufacturer) Guideline to Data Center Power Distribution;

Hazardous Gasses
One should consult the material safety data sheets provided with the battery for complete details of
hazardous materials. In general, battery installations could potentially be exposed to the following types of
gasses to some degree:
Explosive gas is hydrogen (H2), which is be emitted by all lead-acid batteries.
Vented (flooded) –Continuously release Hydrogen.
VRLA and MBC – Recombine the hydrogen to form water inside the battery and release
hydrogen only when overheated and/or overcharged.


Vented (flooded) – ASHRAE7
and NFPA-1118
recommend a minimum of two air changes per
hour to remove gases generated by vented batteries during charging or caused by
equipment malfunction.


Hydrogen Accumulation - In any space, hydrogen should not be allowed to accumulate to
greater than two percent concentration. Most regulations stipulate a maximum concentration
of only one percent. The lower explosive level of hydrogen [i.e. the point at which hydrogen
can combust] is four percent. (By comparison, the natural concentration of hydrogen in the
atmosphere is 0.01%). Battery manufacturers should be able to provide exact gassing rate,
charging voltage and charging currents for the type of battery installed. (Note that gassing
rates can vary significantly depending upon voltage applied to the battery, temperature, and
atmospheric pressure.)
Vented (flooded) – The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE) provides
formulae for calculating the maximum hydrogen evolution in vented (flooded) batteries
when precise information is known about the battery and charger characteristics.3
VRLA and MBC – VRLA batteries and MBC do not vent unless they are forced into a
failure mode. Contact the supplier for the gassing rate of a particular model.

>>17329049

A primary consideration for any user considering a flooded battery solution centers on the issue of hydrogen evolution. In
addition to the primary focus on human and system safety, this chemical reaction also impacts battery life and maintenance
economics, much of which centers on maintaining proper liquid electrolyte levels and concentrations in the flooded battery.
Therefore understanding the phenomenon of hydrogen evolution is an important part of the engineering for any battery
system. While it is particularly critical for flooded lead acid battery systems, even VRLA batteries will vent hydrogen gas
under certain conditions.
The objectives of this paper are the following:
1.) To provide a general overview of the problem, and to discuss the main factors involved in hydrogen gas evolution
and its primary impact on battery system design, operation, and maintenance. Primary safety considerations will be
discussed and stressed.
2.) To discuss the primary methodologies for managing and mitigating hydrogen gas evolution, from initial system
design, installation, and long-term operation and maintenance of the battery.

All lead acid batteries, particularly flooded types, will produce hydrogen and oxygen gas under both normal and abnormal
operating conditions. This hydrogen evolution, or outgassing, is primarily the result of lead acid batteries under charge,
where typically the charge current is greater than that required to maintain a 100% state of charge due to the normal chemical
inefficiencies of the electrolyte and the internal resistance of the cells. This excess charge electrolyzes the water in the
electrolyte mix of sulfuric acid and water, causing free hydrogen and oxygen to be vented from the battery.
In fact, flooded lead acid batteries will outgas at varying rates under almost all conditions, even in storage where minor
amounts of gas will be produced due to the normal evaporation of water and the tendency to self-discharge.

>>17329149
>>17329158
You really are a clown. And yow you're trying to inject strawman arguments (point to where I said hydrogen is non-combustible, I dare you) and just copy pasting battery compartment ventilation guidelines instead of making a point.

No where did I say hydrogen was incombustible. A sealed or semi-sealed battery compartment or an indoor battery enclosure requires ventilation to prevent hydrogen buildup. This is a completely different scenario to an exposed battery in an unenclosed engine bay being charged as is the context of this discussion.

Yes a sealed or semi-sealed battery can contain combustible concentrations of hydrogen. but this hydrogen will NOT be ignited by a spark at the terminal, hydrogen dissipation rates are far too high in an unenclosed space, like the top of a battery terminal when jumping a car battery, to provide a combustible concentration.

Now if you are stupid enough to intentionally spark a battery at it's hydrogen vent or internally you are doing the stupid shit I was talking about earlier and you deserve every thing you got in your face.

Once again, you do not understand basic chemistry and clearly were stupid enough to do something full retard with a battery and utterly failed doing something literally a child could do without incident.
Stop blaming the chemistry of the battery for your ineptitude.

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>Someone copying and pasting an entire thesis

Is this enough, or are you starting to get the hint that perhaps behind all of your mis-spelled insults and abrasive general fuckwittery, you are a silly cunt?

What would you prefer now? White papers, industry guidance notices, Workplace Health and Safety notices, manufacturer installation and maintenance safety guidelines, whatever flavour of 'I'm a fucking dickhead' you'd like to be served, I think it won't be hard to find it for you.

>>17329183

Copy and pasting battery compartment ventilation guidelines.

Guidelines accepted across the globe to PREVENT THE RISK OF EXPLOSION that you believe is false.

Earth is flat too, I take it?

>>17329186
No. you're still an inept fucking retard who failed at something as simple as charging a battery. One who doesn't understand basic chemistry like hydrogen dispersion rates in an unenclosed area with minute amounts of hydrogen venting from a lead acid battery.

You think that a combustible state may exist within a battery, that that battery is combustible from any spark outside of it, which is full fucking retarded.

Try again dropout, you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>17329183>>17329189


>Hydrogen will NOT be ignited by a spark at the terminal

>Complains about someone posting walls of text, warning about the danger of igntion from a spark at the terminal.

Fuck me sideways.

>You think that a combustible state may exist within a battery, that that battery is combustible from any spark outside of it, which is full fucking retarded.

> Complains about walls of text copied from manufacturers, statutory bodies and lawmakers WARNING ABOUT THE COMBUSTION OF BATTERIES FROM EXTERNAL IGNITION

>>17329187
A battery in an engine bay with an open hood is not an unventilated compartment capable of building up a combustible hydrogen concentration that requires ventilation. You don't even understand the context in which you are arguing. You really are a fucking retard.

>>17329193
>failing this hard at context and reading comprehension.

>>17329195

Six ENCLOSED and capped 2V cells under one bar of pressure are not ventilated. Six ENCLOSED Flooded Lead Acid cells will most certainly build up a combustible Hydrogen concentration.

So says every regulatory body, every battery manufacturer, every shipping agent, every car manual, every battery warning label, every man and woman who works in a battery store etc etc.

But according to a man who can't spell, it doesn't happen.

Lol que?

>>17329193
But you're posting guidelines for ventilation of a stationary battery enclosure. That has nothing to do with a car battery in an engine bay.

>>17329202

And you were ripping me for reading comprehension? Fuck me, turn your brain on.

Each warning is specifically about the dangers of Hydrogen gas production IN THE BATTERY.

What do you think happens in the space above the electrolyte yet below the caps, the magic Hydrogen removal fairy wishes it all away so your feelings don't get hurt if it combusts?

>>17329202

Only a few mousewheel scrolls up you fucking monkey.

5.2. External ignition

Any ignition source in the zone where hydrogen is within its explosive range increases the likelihood of an external explosion. If a path to inside the battery exists - e.g. for a vented battery, the flame front may continue into the casing, igniting any gases there, and increasing pressure inside the casing. The casing, not designed to withstand this pressure, will probably explode, potentially injuring bystanders.

Just in case you missed it;

If a path to inside the battery exists - e.g. for a vented battery, the flame front may continue into the casing, igniting any gases there, and increasing pressure inside the casing.

>>17329201
>Six ENCLOSED Flooded Lead Acid cells will most certainly build up a combustible Hydrogen concentration.

An interminably combustible state is not the same as an externally combustible state dropout.

Use some critical thinking. The dispertion rate of hydrogen and any vent hydrogen from a lead acid battery will not be nearly highenough concentration to create a combustible state at the terminal. you can post all the out of context enclosed battery ventilation regulations you want. You're still an idiot that has no idea what he's talking about.

>>17329207
An internal combustible state is not the same as an externally combustible state anon. That's where you simply do not comprehend.

If the hydrogen within a battery vents it is not nearly high enough quantity to cause a combustible concentration at the terminal on a car's battery due to the dispersion rates of hydrogen in an unenclosed space.

Try again dropout, you still have no idea what you're talking about.

>>17329211

And how, pray tell, will the Hydrogen disperse from a battery which is not venting with pressure more than one Bar?

Where does it disperse to? Another Hydrogen filled FLA cell?

If the pressure is greater than one Bar, what happens? Does the same Hydrogen fairly whisk away the gas plume as soon as it exits the vent?

If the cap next to the terminal is venting, and the mixture is at the UEL of 70%, what do you think the mixture will be at the edges of the gas plume contacting the now sparking terminal?

Wow. This is next level man.

>>17329215

So answer me then; In 2015, NOISH had 74 reported battery detonations. Of these, 36 were from terminal connect/disconnect.

What happened then? If you are as smart as you think you are, what caused the battery to ignite if not from the flammable mixture of Hydrogen and Oxygen gas?

Never mind the product, what happens to this battery when a shower of sparks are introduced?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_TnsHu2u4c

Lay it all out kiddo. I'd love to hear it.

>>17329218
>And how, pray tell, will the Hydrogen disperse from a battery which is not venting with pressure more than one Bar?
Internal hydrogen within a battery that is not venting is of no danger from an external spark at all.

>Where does it disperse to?
Only venting hydrogen would be any cause of concern for an externally ignited combustion. Only the dispersion rate of hydrogen in atmosphere is so high that this is not a risk at all.

>If the pressure is greater than one Bar, what happens?
Hydrogen vents to atmosphere and disperses too quickly to generate an externally combustible concentration. Thus no threat exists in an unenclosed space.

>Does the same Hydrogen fairly whisk away the gas plume as soon as it exits the vent?
yes, Hydrogen has an extremely high dispersion rate. That's the point..

>If the cap next to the terminal is venting, and the mixture is at the UEL of 70%, what do you think the mixture will be at the edges of the gas plume contacting the now sparking terminal?
Unless you have a severely fucked battery, the concentration and hydrogen quantity will be less than negligible.

>Wow. This is next level man.
Watching you grasp so hard for straws and fundamentally not understanding the argument is getting fun, dropout.

>>17329226
>Never mind the product, what happens to this battery when a shower of sparks are introduced?
>shower of sparks
>shower of sparks
>shower of sparks

lel. truly grasping at straws as hard as you can. Please indicate the last time a 12v system has ever generated a "shower of sparks" when connecting a lead to it's battery terminal.

Intentionally setting up a situation where the battery will combust in an unrealistic scenario does not prove your point. it only proves mine.

Those are the lengths you have to go to to get any sort of combustion out of a lead acid car battery. Literally showering the entire battery in sparks. An amount of sparks that could not be generated by a car's 12v charging system in the first place as in the context of this argument of jumping car batteries.

Try again dropout.

>>17329230

Talking shit that ten seconds of looking at a battery manufacturers page could disprove is fun? I suppose you have to make your own fun when your IQ is lower than your shoe size.

This does remind me a lot of flat Earthers. You've got mountains of hyperbole versus mountains of evidence from every agency you could think of.

All of your shit boils down to;

I skim read a study that says Hydrogen disperses. I don't know the rate, and I am unaware that it changes based on a number of variables. I honestly believe that a concentration of gas in excess of 70% Hydrogen from a 1.5mm squared vent will instantaneously disperse to lower than the LEL. I believe that there is no way for the flame front to propagate down the vent, even though there are reports of this and flame arrestors in the vents to try and prevent this from happening. I also believe that no battery has ever exploded in this way even though there are hundred of reports per year, but I don't like to be wrong so I'll make it up as I go. I also believe if I call someone a dropout seven times, I win the internet argument! Yeeew!

If that's not out, I'm not playing. Stick to your D-Cells and AAA's man, you are about the smallest fish in the pond.

I'll be back in an hour to tear apart all your retarded drop out posts again.

>>17329246

Why don't you tear a battery apart instead and get a fucking clue instead of quivering with anticipation to make shit up on the internet again?

Last one should have a question mark, but ol' Windas don't like queries in file names.

Man dead set, the world is against you on this one. All of your skim reading hasn't helped you understand that this is a problem, it happens, people get injured every single year. Gas above LEL and under UEL exposed to a source of ignition combusts. Who'd-a-thunk-it?

Don't like it? Cry over your hotpockets on your hour break from lying on the web.

I did three years in Disability Support in the eighties and worked with some real fruitcakes, but damn kiddo you are the fruitiest flavour of retarded I ever did taste.

Leave you with
>>17329244

I'm off to be paid to work.

On batteries!

>>17317983
Some bacteria don't need it

>>17316402
No, it's their vehicle and their choice to maintain it ( or fuck up tremendously ) or pay out the asshole to let someone else with the proper experience do it.
Same way with computers, lawn mowers or firearms.
If a person decides to tremendously fuck up a historical object however, he/she will be required to be publicly shamed until ( and possibly even after ) their death.

>>17322356
>drive manual
>never learned to jump a car
Ahh I can just push start it anyway

I dont get it
wtf is she trying to do it just seems so strange

>>17316497
>Americans

>>17319651
As a man who tries to be helpful, this triggered me.

>>17329099
>implying hydrogen gas is visible.

>this mad
God damn, just stop.

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>>17316402
>Phoneposting; tiny screen
>I wonder what's going on in this thumbna--

>>17316665
I agree with the dindus part but if you get a degree in trades it's very useful and the money is crazy good.

>>17316402
no because you can do such things at the mechanic
but if she does shit like this then it should be ground for a ticket/car getting towed.

>>17316402
Well she sure is dedicated

>>17328047
If you go to the right cities you would think America is a 3rd world country. You can have all the money in the world and still have a country act like uncivilized degenerates. (see the entire state of Florida, city of El Passo, most of New Mexico most of southern California, the city of Chicago, New York, ect) Not even being a /pol/ack here,everyone from these areas seems to be corrupt.

>>17325323
My snake would stick his head under water and blow bubbles sometimes :)

>>17324395
You are so wrong. Is this b8?

Grants are free money, federal loans are...you guessed it, loans.

Fasfa is just the application to qualify for federal aid (which can be in the form of grants or loans...but is usually loans).

>>17316556
Hmmm, when I worked at Toyota there was a master tech from El Salvador, and the other tech wasn't certified but he also is from El Salvador. The white guys are definitely not trash. At my current shop, the white guys and the one latino man aren't white trash either. The express techs, myself included, aren't kids. Our ages are 36, 31, 28, 24, and one is younger but he is new so I don't know his age.

>>17316556
If car basics are easy then explain why people who had algebra in school still can't figure out how to change a tire?

>be a racist
>go to junkyard
>pay $5 to ruin a car rim with an axe
>MSpaint in a caption stating a black woman did this to her car because she thought it was a good idea to make African Americans look bad
>spread it around the internet

racists gonna racist

>>17320283
>>17320291
It's only easy to do if you're not paying attention. The filler holes are right by each other, but super easy to tell apart. And when you do put def in the diesel if you even turn the key (not even starting it) it'll prime the system and messes stuff up. If you don't do anything after putting it in then all you have to do is get it towed to a shop, drop the tank and clean it all out.

Def destroys the systems because it crystalizes and stuff. It's so bad for fuel systems

>guy started a shitstorm because he does know that lead acid batteries can majorly fuck you up

>>17330840
Why does everything have to be about race? Nobody was talking about race until you made it about race. Stop that.

>>17330891
Whatever, racist

>>17330902
If you actually cared about people being racists, you wouldn't throw around racist as an insult all the time because that devalues the term, you troglodyte.

>>17330930
Stop hating black people you bigot

>>17330938
I never said anything about black people you double nigger

>>17330943
Stop using the N word racist

>>17330951
Not all niggers are black, and not all blacks are niggers.

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>"i-i'm not racist!"
>"fuck you nigger!"
why are whites so blind to their racism and privilege?

>>17330994
>Act like a nigger
>Complain when people call you a nigger

>>17330994
>>>/pol/

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>>17319651
>mansplaining

>>17330994
Sound's like something a nog would say honestly.

>>17322356
>got shitbox car with shit battery
>get really handy with push starting and boosting it
>replace battery, problems gone
>poorly install a tach, sips power when car is turned off, battery is dead after two days
>drive my car nearly every day, so don't notice it for a while
>someday I need to get to work, won't start
>tfw my car is so light that I can push it to a decent speed by myself, jump in and start it from the remaining kinetic energy without help from a third party
French shitboxes may be shit, but that character though

>>17331539
fuck off back to >>>/b/

>>17331621
>needing an aftermarket tach
>not shifting when the glorious shitbox ass vibrations tell you to

>>17316556
>Work as a lineman
>Dropped out of community college
>No coworkers with degrees
>Foreman gets paid more than utility executives
>Never use advanced math
>Still make more than 80% of Americans
Ain't that some shit. But guess what I don't need that shit at all. Every skill I've needed I've had to teach myself. From HVAC to Culinary, I don't see why useless math skills are required courses. I never took trig in high school instead opted to take financial algebra and that class gave me more real world skills than any of my prior math classes ever did.

>>17330994
I never said I wasn't racist though.

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if nothing else i at least learned that yuros refer to jumping as boosting

>>17332014

Engineering math problems are solved by google. I've talked to several stationary Engineers they all say if they need math, they google it.

>>17332014
>>17333449

The reason why it's good to study math is that it develops your brain. Learning concepts of math which build on each other (like calculus into differential equations) creates a set of relationships in your brain that can be worked hard when doing problems and learning new concepts that tie into what you already know. I believe everyone should study or take a class in mid-level mathematics, it won't help you with something practical like personal finance, but you will have developed your brain with these relationships and the 'language' of math that you will be able to use that extra capacity towards something else, like problem solving, critical thinking ,or memory.

Think of it this way, I have stressed my brain from learning so much math that it effectively got a work out and is able to work at a higher capacity. Do I remember everything I learned or can I directly apply it to real life? Probably not, but I sure as hell was better off spending time learning that math then changing air filters like you.

>Stopped taking math in highschool
>Missed out on 4+ years of developing his brain
>Ishyggdts

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>>17316488
I had one of those once. Hognose snake. He was super nice and always tried to dig into my hand with his scoop nose. Mildly poisonous but never bit once. They do some cool shit too like play dead

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>>17316497
manual machinist, I use algebra and trig every day.