Subaru BRZ STI Prototype Caught Testing

>>17256251
What's so special about it?

http://www.autoblog.com/2017/05/23/subaru-brz-sti-spy-shots/

Here's some more stuff from autoblog

>>17256280
They put a wing on it but didn't give it extra horsepower

>>17256251
>not turbo
it's going to be shit.

>>17256280
Not sure, these are just images some guy took.

Atleast gives one hope that they'll make it better than the current standard trim
I'm hoping its not going to be like that japanese version they did, which only included better suspension tuning and brakes

I'm sure they realize that if they don't add power to this car or fix the torque dip, the car is done.

>>17256293
doesn't need a turbo really
as long as they're able to fix the torque dip and add atleast 50 or more horsepower, the car would be much better
might even be able to outrun a chrysler pacifica

>>17256251
>a slight bump to 230hp

That's it? So a regular wrx is still faster?

>more aerodynamics

Oh man woopty do. It doesn't need a fucking fancy body kit or better aerodynamics it was already plenty lean and smooth. These are just a bunch of flashy shit mods that any random could do

>>17256322
wouldn't that big ass wing signify that they've increased power?
I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if they added that wing and didn't bump the power to atleast 280-300 hp

>>17256322
not like aero on street cars does anything for anyone, it's all just for marketing

>>17256336
>wouldn't that big ass wing signify that they've increased power?
Not really because that's really just a cosmetic item unless you're fast enough to use it. It's not the first time a company has put on a huge fat wing and it does nothing

>>17256346
brz don't need no aerodynamics cuz it aint got enough power to be dynamic in the fuz place

>>17256336
>implying they don't just add the wing for the look

>>17256251
>that wing

I really hope that's not on the final product. What's the point, anyway? Unless they're beefing it up somehow, fucking thing doesn't particularly need a wing to hold it down.

>>17256350
i did say that i'd be very surprised if they just added it for hte looks and didn't increase the power.
Specifically because the whole world knows if that car needs anything it's more power

>>17256367
see
>>17256379

>>17256372
likely a stand in for the molded wing they'll make. just slap an adjustable wing on and match the angle and bam, prototype wing.

[Update from Dominick Infante, PR manager for Subaru of America: “We did announce a year ago that we would be bringing a tuned by STI BRZ to the US. But that’s all I can say for the moment.”]

Tuned by STI would mean more power, surely.

>>17256399
It could also mean just improved throttle response and stiffened suspension. Tuned is a very broad term

>>17256432
agreed
but i was googling and this piece came up
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/new-york-motor-show/subaru%E2%80%99s-450bhp-brz-sti

In is he mentions that the car will have lower, stiffer STI-spec suspension, new 18-inch alloy wheels, custom Brembo discs and pads, a monster rear wing, a new aero package (new front and rear bumpers, carbon fibre mirrors and side skirts), chassis fasteners - to better control body roll - a flexible tower strut bar designed by STI, and a whopping great engine.

Out goes the road-going BRZ’s 2.0-litre boxer engine, and in comes the EJ20 2.0-litre single-scroll turbo boxer from Subaru’s monster GT300 car that races in Japan. Yep, it’s a fully fledged racing engine.

Subaru officially quotes power at 345bhp and 332lb ft of torque, but Subaru’s Dominick Infante told TG.com the concept car actually produces closer to 450bhp. “They quote it lower on the stand, but that’s just an agreement between the Japanese manufacturers,” he smiles. “In the race series they downgrade their power, but in reality - in this concept car - that engine makes 450.”


If all of that is true then the car will most likely be making around 350 hp and i'll be sold immediately

>>17256454
idk why a lot of people asking for over 300hp on the 86/brz. If they need horsepower that much why not getting a mustang or nissan?

>>17256463
I think it isn't the horsepower as much as wanting to get rid of the torque dip
personally, i'd be very happy with a modest amount of hp increase, to say 250-280 hp
that'd be plenty HP for the type of car this is but 205hp right now is a joke

>>17256454
That's a one off concept. The amount of money it would cost them to put that into mass production would be insane

>>17256480
the toyobaru is very balanced with good handling as they are right now. Have no idea about its engineering so I don't know how thing will change with more hp. Maybe the engineer is working on that, or subara just jewed on the engine to keep the price low.

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>>17256251

it's gonna be a handling package and a 2 hp bump

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As someone who just picked up a '17 STI:

If this thing is faster than my car I'm going to sue Subaru.

>>17256454
All of that sounds plausible, until you get to the engine bay.

There's no fucking way in hell that will ever happen, and Top Gear is retarded for even bothering to report it.

>>17256518
anon when will you crash your car, record it and upload the video?

>>17256523

As soon as the break in is over, I don't want to prematurely wear out my wipers

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>>17256515

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>>17256559

kek

>>17256518
Don't think they'll ever make it faster than that, precisely for the reason you mentioned
That'd be like porsche making the boxster or cayman faster than the 911
Aint ever gonna happen realistically

but then again this is subaru and japanese we'ere dealing with, anything is certainly possible

>>17256519
why not? they're racing with that same engine
sure it might take a little bit of fiddling but can certainly be done

It doesn't even need to be the same exact engine, anything else with slightly more power and no retarded power dip at 4000 rpm

>>17256251
It's the tS most likely.

>>17256399
>>17256602
Yep it's the tS. According to actual journalists the chassis is even better, much stiffer and more responsive. This will be the one to buy and de-rice in the future.

>>17256602
fuck you're right
tS stands for 'tuned by STI'
And the wing and the front looks exactly like the tS too

Thanks for killing the brz, subaru

Unless it's turbo, why care? Far cheaper to find a miata in decent condition and put an FMII kit on, and far faster. Better suspension setup as well and several hundred pounds lighter.

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>>17256602
>>17256618

it clearly has an STi badge on it

>>17256618
yeap
The wing and the rims look exactly the same as on the tS

Itd be a damn shame if they don't give this car an increase in hp and just make it more responsive etc.

>>17256637
>release uptrim model
>killing
It's like the MX5 cup car minus the race series invite. Just an upgraded version of the existing car. What'll be cool is that we'll be able to replicwte the chassis mods they did with diy and aftermarket stuff to get the same handling for cheaper.

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>>17256652
doesn't mean anything, the tS has a STI badge in the front
Compare the rims and the wing in the image with the one in OP

Anon is right, it's the same exact car and isn't that a shame.

>>17256670
The tS is actually quite different. Think DC2 type R versus regular Integra with fast motor.

>>17256664
This car doesn't need anymore handling with the meagre amount of horsepower it has
if anything it needs more power and not crazy more power, just another 50-80 hp

>>17256677
More handling is never bad either.
>just a little more
>25-40% more

>>17256687
>25-50% more

that's the whole point, it currently produces such a low amount of hp for what it is even a slight increase looks massive.

i do agree more handling is never bad, in most cases, cars need more handling and not power but that's definitely not the case with the brz

>>17256691
It's more power than the miata already and it has a roof, why do people never complain about the miata?

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>>17256670
Could they have put any more STI logo's on the thing?

>>17256280
No idea, but hopefully a better engine of sort. By better engine, I mean at least 350hp.

>>17256700
Miata's lighter, more fuel efficient, and has a healthy torque curve unlike the toyobaru

>>17256691
As I remember, the selling point of the brz/86 is for twisty mountain road driving, right? If it's the point why do you need much power for that kind of task. And I don't think there's that much different between 200 and 250hp on small twist road anyway.

>>17256700
it's a lot more heavier than a miata too
And people do talk about that all the time, all the reviews I've seen between a miata and a brz/86, all the reviewers have mentioned those two things that set the brz apart

>>17256719
But if you're driving normally you 2ont notice it and if you're on it you won't notice. Why are you shifting before red line when going fast?

So many idiots ITT, this is all bullshit rumors and speculation

>>17256725
>tfw all you want is a non-convertible miata for even lighter weight

>>17256728
>OP posts article with multiple images showing a subaru brz tS with manufacturer plates and taped up sti badging
>anon posts subaru's head of PR statement confirming the car in the images
>it's all rumors
here's your (You)

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Post yfw it makes less than 300 horses

>>17256736
No, BRZ handles very differently than a miata and I wouldnt want it to handle like a miata
Just a little bit more power so it's atleast competitive with a miata if not the chrysler pacifica

>>17256765
How differently? I've been curious and never had a chance to drive one.

>>17256750
You really think that means anything? Could be employees car or just some off the radar fuck around project

>>17256765
>little bit more power so it's atleast competitive with a miata if not the chrysler pacifica
an automatic Miata would be slower than a Minivan too

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>>17256762
>mfw it won't even make more than 220

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>>17256793
nuke japan again

>>17256726
>Why are you shifting before red line when going fast?
turning, usually.

>>17256785
Manufacturer number plates and why would an employee drive around with tape all over his car?

Sometimes things need to be taken at face value anon, there isn't always a conspiracy to take your freedums, relax.

>>17256722
>And I don't think there's that much different between 200 and 250hp on small twist road anyway.

There is. an FD and a BRZ/GT86 are in around the same weight-class, the BRZ being around 100-150lbs heavier. It makes around 50hp less. There's a significant and noticeable difference in acceleration and cornering speeds between the two cars.

Spoiler: the BR86 doesn't even come close.

>>17256574
Because of the sheer amount of money that it would cost Subaru to do so. It's about the money, Lebowski.

>>17256820
wtf I hate toyobaru now
>slowly become /o/ shitposter

I don't want anymore 86's, last thing we need is them to become as populated as civics. Let me be special snowflake ffs

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>>17256834

>>17256834
Fuji heavy industries makes tens of millions every year

>>17256834
Justice demands it anon

>>17256837
Literally all they had to do was not make it so fucking heavy and it'd be a really good car.

I actually really like the way it handles, after having tooled around in my friend's. It's just too fat for its powerplant and gets outrun both in a straight line and in corners by a car from a quarter century ago.

>>17256860
and a minivan
a fucking minivan

who gives a shit this car has been modded to hell and back over the last 5 years, nothing the factory versions do will come close to the aftermarket.

>>17256866
That too, kek. Probably faster than the Pacifica around a corner, though. You can pull some shit off in the 86, admittedly, just don't try to drift it because you'll get cucked by its gear ratios and lack of torque. It can do it, it's just really fucking annoying.

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>>17256869

there's just something cool and fulfilling about owning a factory special.

>>17256860
Although I think they makes it 2+2 chairs setup so insurance cost can be cheaper, a shorter 2 seats toyobaru would be nice tho. Also one of the problem people likely complain about is how they look much faster than they are.

>put an "aero" kit straight off an O Reilly special Civic on an otherwise stock STI
>poorly cover STI badge "oh no hope nobody sees this secret test car hehe"
>better put a manufacturer plate on it too, hopefully nobody takes a picture of it, wouldn't want it getting hyped up in the media!


>>17256664
>It's like the MX5 cup car
No, it's not, in any way shape or form


>>17256454
There is ZERO chance it makes more than 200hp at the wheels.


Why do people keep getting fooled over fake hyped "concept cars"?

>The RX9 is really coming guys!!!
>Nissan iDX is going to be great
>Toyota SFR, wow only $13k!

The Japanese are NEVER going to make a real enthusiast car again. Boy racers buying riced up econoboxes is a huge market. Actual enthusiast cars are not. It's never going to happen, they will keep churning out shitboxes over and over with little concept car teases making mouthbreathers think they give a single fuck about performance cars.

>>17256900
do you belive anyone will read this?

>>17256869
>nothing the factory versions do will come close to the aftermarket
Adding aftermarket shit usually drops the value.

>>17256900
tldr

>>17256900
This is what I am thinking.
>Let's slap STI badges on it and poorly cover them with tape, in such a way the tape is stretched out and you can make out the outline!

>>17256251
That's the same factory exhaust, you would think it'd have "STI exhaust"

>>17256960
Maybe they were just testing if the wing stays on or not in a straight line drag race.
We all know how much power the car has.

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>>17256762

>>17256909
so? thats a good thing you can get a 86 with a bolt on turbo kit and other goodies cheap

>>17256251
The BRZ is 5 years old now and will be phased out soon. I think that there might me a chance that we will see a limited STI version in 2018 or 19.

>>17257130
these bolt ons are expensive and shit though

>>17256900
Have you even read anything about the tS?

>>17256251

Am I the only one that wants to race this?

>>17256251
>implying that's not just some random ricer

>>17256454
>In is he mentions that the car will have lower, stiffer STI-spec suspension, new 18-inch alloy wheels, custom Brembo discs and pads, a monster rear wing, a new aero package (new front and rear bumpers, carbon fibre mirrors and side skirts), chassis fasteners - to better control body roll - a flexible tower strut bar designed by STI, and a whopping great engine.
40k car calling it right now

>>17256650
But then you have a Miata

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>The engine will most likely get a slight bump in horsepower – as much as 230 horsepower (171 kilowatts)– but most of the modifications will be seen in the suspension, brakes, and aerodynamics.

ALL THIS FUZZ ABOUT A HAND FULL MORE HP

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HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA AHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

>>17256518
go sue mustang and camaro

>>17256280
It might be faster than a minivan now

>>17257957
>pigfat amerilard garbage

Literally who cares lmao

>>17257909
yeah, and that's probably the best thing about it, you won't be driving a car that's mocked all the time for being slower than a minivan

>>17256251


>some retard in Detroit slaps a sticker and wing on his shitbox
>people say it's a new model

Nope.

>>17256251
>STI package will cost around 35k
>230hp
>everything is going into handling
wtf Subaru, not even doing shit besides adding some decals and a fucking wing. Oh and the rides a bit stiffer. This confirms that I'll never buy this hunk of shit unless price comes way down.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/subaru-brz-ts-first-drive/
There's no way it's not the tS.

If you want to support cheap sports cars YOU have to buy this, it's the only way to send a message to manufactures "hello! Yes this audience still exists ! Please keep making miatas and gt86 ! Put more effort into them because we exist!"

If you don't buy new sports cars you're the reason everything will only be a crossover

>>17258733
>gets 150 pounds heavier
>no extra power
>just some extra stiffened suspension and rigity shit it really didn't need

>>17259041
Fuck off faggot the wrx would still be faster and more agile than this piece of shit even at the same price

Good luck voiding your warranty on a new car

>>17258733
>35k
I'd rather buy the sport package 370z at 29k and I know that's faster by a long shot

>>17256319
Kek

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>literally EVERYONE complains about the lack of power in the BRZ but praises the handling
>literally all subaru/toyoda does is modify the handling

Why are they doing this

why

>>17260029
Stupid frogposter as always

>>17260052
But he's right? A 30hp boost at best is fucking nothing.

>>17260085
On a light car it's something to be content with assuming price stays the same, literally bitching about nothing

>>17260123
>On a light car it's something to be content with assuming price stays the same, literally bitching about nothing

You forget the price bump for the sti logo.

>>17260029
No, pretty much only busriders do. Every journalist that's touched it loves it.

>>17260218
Yes they love it, but virtually all of them say it could use more power. The handling is great as it is, that's not what they need to be touching.

>>17260224
>could use
>could
Anon it's quite simple, no car is perfect

>>17260224
Fast
Handles
Cheap
Pick two

>>17260233
That's another discussion altogether. I'm just saying how silly it is when virtually everyone talks about wanting more power, how awesome the handling is, and for some reason all they (Toyota/Subaru) get out of that is "Oh, I guess that means we need to keep tinkering with the handling!".

>>17260247
How come nobody makes big deal about Miata staying slow? People still buy em so why fuck with a good formula, making limited run of STI models probably wouldn't sell good at the price they'd have to sell em to make some profit

>>17260259
Because it's 300lb lighter and like 10 inches shorter.

>>17260267
How does that stop them from adding FI or some sort of significant performance boost? It's still slow

if subaru makes an sti version what will toyota do?
they have to do somthing right?
do you think it will just be the sti with a different name or do you think toyota will do somthing completly different and actually add some difference between the 2 cars besides the bumpers?

>>17260284
Why do they have to be different? They both have boxer engines

>>17260272
It's faster than a GT86. If the BRZ was under 2500lb, or under $24k starting, I honestly wouldn't mind its speed. But as it is, it really isn't that light or that cheap.

>>17260239
add safe in their two so you cant get all 3 with a motorcycle

>>17259067

>WRX counting

Cancer

>>17260295
They honestly keep pace with each other. The 86 benchraces poorly because of factory tiresettings and having to shift to third to hit 60.

>>17260295
Both 86 and Miata are equally slow even if Miata is a bit faster they fall under same slow category

>>17256488
I don't think it costs much to put an engine you already make into a car you already make and slap on a wing and brakes

>>17260306
>>17260305
Fair enough, but it's something I can forgive for the novelty of such a light and small modern car. The BRZ is a beautiful car, but in that regard it doesn't cut it for me and I'd choose the Miata over it every day of the week.

>>17260330
I'd get Miata RF over the 86 if it wasn't only available in expensive high trim, not a fan of convertibles 2bh

there is no justifiable reason to need brake calipers that large on an frs the stock caliper size is more than enough and if combined with carbon ceramic brake pads its borderline overkill

Confirmed BRZ STI features:
- Fatass fucking brake discs and multi-pot calipers larger than you'd ever need to effectively stop that car at the speeds its capable of, but you'll look cool parked at Walmart.
- Giant wing for more downforce coupled with upgraded suspension means the car designed for drifting will never lose traction again
- Comes with actual street compound tires instead of Prius rubber, further removing you from the car's original purpose and design
- Vape built into the top of the shift knob so you can blow your car, vape fluid storage in the center console and dashboard
- Only comes in subaru rally blue with gold wheels because you were gonna paint it that way anyway you insufferable faggot
- overcomplicated intake tubing redesign that boasts a 5HP improvement over the original*, now the car finally has that power boost everyone's been begging for!
*measured at the crank under perfect testing conditions on a factory-fresh vehicle

>>17260385
Imagine being this much of a sperg

>>17260259
>How come nobody makes big deal about Miata staying slow?
Because of the massive aftermarket and knowledge base built entirely around solving that problem.

Want a fast miata?
Go drag an LS out of the junkyard and buy the kit. Or BEAMS. K swap. Or turbo it. Or literally fucking anything, on a car that only cost you two grand to begin with.

>>17260402
>engine swap
Who does this to a new car? Oh yeah idiots

>>17260385
>benchracer thinks that tire compound makes a significant difference as to whether the BRZ/86 can drift
It doesn't. You'll still lose traction if you push it hard enough, even on semislicks. The Prius tires are there for normies. Not defending the slowerthanminivan here, I just had to chime in on this stupidity.

Go back to playing Forza, kiddo.

>>17256290
My face is laughing, but my soul is dying.

>>17256518
nice camry

>>17256319

They would have to turbo it for a 50hp increase, what are they going to do increase the compression even more?

>>17256251
And the STi brand has died.

>>17260721
Larger naturally aspirated engine is the way, IMO

2.3/2.5 liters of fury would make a big difference already. Turdbo is of course a good alternative, but they always mentioned wanting to keep good throttle response, and time-to-torque just isn't the same with a snail. Maybe slap a supercharger on the WRX's FA20, or if it proves too expensive, just a straight swap and de-tune and be done with it

>>17260402
So you can't mod an 86 to be fast without somebody going "b-but muh mods" but you're allowed to engine swap a Miata?

Any chance of AWD?

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>>17261101
Absolutely not. The front axles on a Subaru AWD transmission come out around below where the bell housing in this picture is. No CV axle will work at that extreme of an angle. Would require some extreme $$$ and restructuring of the car to make work.

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All I want is an interior that doesn't look/feel cheap as shit, and the torque dip fixed.
The fucking civic has a nicer interior.
230-260 hp, nicer interior with carplay, and it's perfect.
and I prefer the smaller wing that it comes with now tbhfam

>still LESS HP than a Focus ST

>>17256336
>>17256346
speaking of which, ive always wondered how much those aerokit packages did for the 911 carrera

>>17261140
i could get down with 250 horsepower

>>17261194
>Still SLOWER than a minivan

Here, I fixed it for ya.

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>$35,000 starting

And why the fuck wouldn't I just buy a Cayman for that price? This car is a joke

>>17261194
>still NOT RWD like a BRZ

>>17256280

Possibility of factort turbo with a dash of extra rice, like other STI models.

>>17261330
Plus it will kill the sales of real STis

>>17260633
>You'll still lose traction if you push it hard enough
And you can't push it hard enough to break traction on decent tires with only 200 HP. That's why they gave it prius tires.

>>17261461
But that's wrong. Power and torque don't have as much to do with it as the driver's ability to move the weight around.

>>17256251
>move the engine shit so that its even lower
>get variable valve timing and lift to increase power some more
>fix the retarded exhaust
>maybe increase rev limiter to 9k
>find a fucking way to make it cheaper

There, i fixed the fucking GT86 for you.

>>17261132
>Shorten transaxles and put gears on the end
>Attach gears to front wheels
>Chain between them
>Steering controls brakes and torque instead of angle of front wheels
Subaru pls pay me

>>17263542
It's not nearly powerful enough to steer by throttle only and be AWD.

>>17263549
>Want to turn to the right
>Steering wheel applies full brakes on the right wheels and sends all torque to the left side
>Right side dorifto anchor drops
It's pretty simple

>>17260721
>A
lower compression ratio to 8/1
add 1 bar boost
more power on boost and less off boost

>B
factory standard water methanol injection
optional ethanol tune

>C
remove spark plugs
find way to make use of pre detonation

>D
DIESEL