Godmachine

>>17250489
You want me to name a better enthusiasts car in the last year, yet you put a price limit at 20k? A brand new 20k car will never be an "enthusiasts" car.

>>17250489
Best hot hatch made this decade desu

Nothing else comes close to being as fun to drive

>enthusiasts car
No, it's a cheap shit box marketed towards wanna enthusiasts whose limit of being a car guy is spending 50 hours researching which flash tune+catback combo to get and taking it to a fag tier hpde once every few months

>>17250755
hurr you cant be an INTHUSIAST unless you spend mega bucks on muh porch or bee emm dubya

pro tip- if you were a real enthusiast you could have fun in anything with wheels and an engine

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>enthusiast car
>can't turn off torque vectoring

Yeah I'm looking into getting one after I graduate. The thing that's stopping me though is that one it's a great price for a new car but it's still buying a car new which imo is a pretty bad value decision, and also that while the look has grown on me it does still look a little engorged. I would like it a lot better if they made it a little slimmer off the top.

>>17250781
Holy fuck nobody cares but you, stop whining about it

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Obvious bait but.

Alpha Platform 2016- V6 Camaro can be had for under 20,000 now and its way faster and less gay than a fucking fiesta.

>>17250807
>V6 in a car meant for V8
>less gay
what did he mean by this?

>>17250807
Yeah but you will always deal with people asking you if it's a v8

Just look at the brz, it's basically the fiesta but gets way more hate because it was supposed to be so much more.

>>17250770
Or you know you could buy an older car and fix it up or something... not buy the cheapest brand new shitbox with the longest warranty and free servicing period you could get finance approved for

>>17250816
335hp, 0-60 in 4.9 and a great exhaust note. And doesnt look like a econo shitbox with silly ST badges. Op said under 20k. V8 tards still dont get it do they....

>>17250843
>V6
>great exhaust note
no seriously what are you trying to convey here?

>>17250828
>caring what other people think
>needing other dudebro approval to buy a car
>being this insecure

Who cares, u buy a car because you like it and it fills your needs. Who gives a shit about dale from the gas station lol.

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>>17250843
yea but

>v6

>funnels engine noise inside to sound louder than it actually is

Lmfao

>>17250489
>not a focus RS

Go back to plebtown with the rest of your rabble

>>17250854
And???

A GTR is a V6
The ford gt is a V6
370z V6
M3 - V6

Wtf is wrong with V6 engines again?

>>17250880
Posts garbage cars and expects me to change my mind

BOI

also the real ford gt is a vee ate not some piss ant v6

and the gud bmws had straight 6 engines

>>17250852
Yah I completely agree the thing is the anon I'm responding to is saying a camaro is less gay than a fiesta. That's literally buying a car for dudebro approval.

Also I still think it kind of sucks buying a suboptimal version of a car. Also a used camaro vs a new fiesta is a pretty unfair comparison, no shit the used car is going to be better value. A brand new v6 camaro is like 10k more than a fiesta.

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>>17250880
>list of modern cars whomst's predecessors originally used god tier I6's instead (with the exception of the GT which was a V8)
>expects this to justify the purchase of a V6 car that was meant to have a V8 and is still sold with a V8

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GT86

inb4 MUH POWER!!!>>>>!!!!!@@@@??

>>17250880
>M3
>V6

v6S ARE SHIT BECAUSE THEY ARE INHERENTLY UNBALANCED AND NEED HUGE BALANCE SHAFTS TO EVEN WORK

>>17250912
tbdesu a 15k toyobaru with another 5k put in supercharger kit, tuning, and tires is a bretty good 20k car

>alfa romeo giulia quadrifoglio is a v6 twin turbo

Checkmate

>>17250933
Even stock they are great cars, /o/ understands a under powered car with great handling when it's an anime meme car, but not when it's a gt86

>>17250902
/o/ really needs to get in their head that the new V6 Camaro, Ecoboost mustang and the like are not muscle cars. They are affordable american sports coupes while the V8 remains an option for those with a more liberal budget.

The V6 camaro is fast (E46 M3 and 335i level) and sounds good, the ecoboost mustang also holds its own and has a great aftermarket.

Thought experiment: If the new camaro V6 was not called a camaro and was instead marketed as a sports/enthusiast coupe and the V6 was the biggest engine available, will /o/ still hate it?

Get muscle car out of your head and compare it to 370z's and Bimmer 6 cylinders like the 335i and E46 m3.

>>17250967
>/o/ really needs to get in their head that the new V6 Camaro, Ecoboost mustang and the like are not muscle cars
>non V8 american sports cars are not muscle cars
Yes, I have that in my head.

>>17250867
the rs is in the same boat. spending 40k+ on a shitty hatchback where you could spend the same amount of money and NOT look like a boyracer faggot.

Some people don't understand hot hatches. Trying to compare the ST and a camero is retarded. They are two completely different cars

>>17250944
Which is funny because the thing was made in Homage to the meme car.

>>17250489
It's a good car, but I feel you're overhyping it.

>>17250741
>this decadd
> implying the up! GTI won't blow this turd out of the water
jej

>>17250781
>GT86
>"MUH TOONER CAR PLATFORM
>Compression ratio so high it can't have FI stock

>>17250816
>Fiesta ST lost a cilinder
>now comes with cuckmode 2 cilinder idle + low demand cruising
>"fun"

>>17250807
They are both completely different cars for completely different people.
Both good at what they are aiming for.

>>17251571
It's the same shit as when people try to compare a Hellcat to a Mustang.

>>17250755
Busrider detected. How's that smelly ass end of public transit treating you?

>>17250843
The camaro isn't fucking under 20k though unless you buy it used. How is that a fair comparison?

If you get a used fiesta even though it's a relatively new car you can still get it for at least 5k less than the camaro.

By the way, I still don't get why no one talks about this since it's such a huge cost of having a car, but insurance is very different between those cars. From looking around, the Camaro is about twice as expensive to insure.

>>17250912
Also the BRZ/86 looks so much better than the Fiesta. It's one of the better looking modern japanese cars.

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>>17250489

I take it you're american and not familiar with the other european hot hatches? Last 5 years is enough to throw the Clio 3 RS in the mix (Clio 4 is a turd of a car), which is a very serious contender for best modern hot hatch, and right in the same size bracket as the FiST. Hell even the Mégane RS is in, being essentially a FiST in a bigger power package.
The FiST is a great car no doubt (I rate it 3rd best modern hot hatch easily, right after those 2), but there's more to it than just what's sold in the US.

>>17250781
>it's this retard again

>>17250489
this is the most basic of cars, this is what people buy if they don't know cars.

>>17251975
correction: stock turbo cars are what people buy when they dont know cars

>>17251987
>>17251975
So what do people who know cars buy then

>>17251997
base models

>>17250880
>M3 - V6

This is how I know to ignore your opinion

>>17251975
>this is what people buy if they don't know cars
The rx-8?

>>17250770
This. Not sure where all this mightier than thou bullshit is coming from.

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>>17251796
If only it didn't have such awful "features"

>>17250843
Still a V6

>>17252189
You know you can turn it off if you would rather sit in silence.

>he thinks a Ford eco hatch built in Mexico is good
K E K

>>17252219
You mean unplug it under the bonnet

>>17250489
>Ford
Already ruined

>>17250489
>Liking a Mexican built Mazda over Japanese built Mazda
>Literally why

>>17251590
No it fucking wasn't

>>17251942
Fiesta is better than the Clio. I've driven both, the Fiesta just felt more alive, more fun.

Dunt know about meagan though

>>17252330

I had the opposite impression, the Clio felt more rewarding to me.
It takes a bit more effort to drive fast though, I'll give you that.

>>17252316
Um.. yeah it was, retard.

>>17250912
The gt86 should have had a 2AR-BEAMS desu

>>17252189
the fiesta st has a sound symposer too you faggot

it's been this way since the mk2 Focus ST which the yanks missed out on

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>>17250489
>tfw bought the automatic version

Why didn't I start lurking /o/ in 2014

>>17252370
there is no automatic ST

You didn't even buy an ST

>>17252369
The ST uses purely acoustic methods for the sound symposer, it doesn't use speakers to make fake sound.

>>17252374
you're right, is there a big difference between the st version and the standard one ?

>>17252387
A red badge and a false sense of muh enthusiasm

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>>17250489
>FWD that can oversteer on power
what?
>super fast steering rack precise enough for brain surgery
in a ford. k. you probably meant the toyobaru twins.
I almost immediately disregarded your whole bait post for the simple fact that it's a ford and ford will always be ultimate shit tier even here in Europe.
If you buy a ford, you are automatically the lowest of the low. Buying a Skoda is literally better than buying a ford.

let me tell you why:
>absolutely shit quality
you confirmed it yourself when saying brand new for 20k. why do you think it's that cheap yet claim all that MUH TORKKS and MUH POWUR. it's because that's probably the only thing they focused on and put the engine in a favela tier cardboard chassis. Oh wait, you faggots here only care about an engine, my apologies. The rest of the car doesn't matter obv, only 0-60 times and muh tork xD
>it's a ford
>it's a ford
and
>it's a ford
I don't know how many times I have to say it for this to be perfectly clear. No matter how much you shill it the car is ultimately a peasant-mobile.

If youre going to talk about shitty ford hatchbacks you should at least use the focus rs as an example at least it doesnt suck as much.

>>17252369
Everything even slightly is going to be that way soon with the next nine years seeing an 8db reduction in the maximum sound level a car can produce (remembering that every 10db is a doubling of sound pressure that's a 42% reduction in sound pressure).

>>17252436

What's wrong with fords lmao, my old mk1 focus is still going strong at 120,000 miles

>>17252480
no one said a car is not gonna last you for a long time, no matter how shit it is.
I'm telling you that there is a difference between makes and models and price ranges and what companies have to do to make a car in a specific price range.

There's also a difference between brands. Just how Skodas are just as good as Volkswagens and Volkswagens are just as good as Audis. But there is a clear difference between them. Be it in the chassis, the interior, the technologies the car has; While newer cars are fitted with more technologies that are prone to failure (blame the market for this, since they delibaretely make stuff to break in order to make a profit from selling parts), they are undoubtedly better than old cars. Also, an Audi (for example), while bearing many similarities with a VW or a Skoda, will always be better than both of them from many aspects, like I said, either better interior, better engine, better chassis, better windows, better seats, better whatever.

There are price ranges, manufacturers, and brands for a reason.
No matter how hard you try to compare your shitbox to better brands it will forever be just that, a shitbox. And I am saying this objectively.

Same as I am objectivelly telling you that Ford is a garbage brand, especially known here in europe that while they do make decent to good cars, they are always absolute trash in various aspects and, for the money, you can get a better car from a better brand.

>>17252480
Let me guess it's only on it's 4th engine and 6th transmission

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>>17250489
blue one

>>17252387
Turbo
Forged pistons
Badging
Sportier suspension
Summer tires
Torque vectoring
Dual exhaust
Getrag transmission

>>17252831
I have my fiesta st tuned to e30
263 wheel torque with only a drop in air filter and intercooler
for a car that weighs 2700 pounds with sticky summer tires and stiff shocks and excellent handling its a blast.

>>17250880
>M3
>V6
BMW produces V6 since when????
I don't even dislike the V6 camaro btw but seriously man M3 V6?
Maybe Porsche 911 has a V6 too?

>>17250936
The Giulia Q is ridiculously overpriced shit though.

Fiesta ST vs V6 Camaro from CarMax.

Which would you rather have? They're about the same price, bit I'd imagine girls would like the Camaro more. If the girl was skinny, she might like the recaros in the fiesta though.

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>>17252513
>I am objectively telling you that Ford is a garbage brand
kek okay bud, that's a nice opinion. Also it's subjective since what you're saying isn't a fact fuckin tard

>>17250770
Doesn't matter what it is, just how you drive it!

>>17252513
I know this is bait, but price bracketing isn't indicative of quality by a long shot. Maserati's are absolutely shit, despite heritage and price bracket. And if you really car so much about shit besides driving dynamics, then why the fuck are you on /o/. I would expand what you wrote further, and say that anyone who buys a new budget-box car and wants "enthusiast" thrills should do their homework and just buy some old shitbox sports car with actual speed for weekends plus a cheapo used daily and save $10k. An AWD turbo 3g Eclipse can be had for like $5k and while being shit, they're faster than a fucking fiesta, GTI, or skoda shit box.

>>17254960
Why would you buy 2 cars though, that's double the insurance double the taxes and double the driveway space needed. Not to mention it adds nothing for practicality vs buying a truck+beater daily.

>>17254911
you dont know fun until you have done hektic skidz in an open diff v8 truck thats beat to shit

>>17254983
If you can't pay double your insurance and taxes RIGHT NOW you cannot afford to go fast. Maybe earn some money, get some experience and try again kiddo. How can you expect to have enough experience behind the wheel when you can't even pay 2 car payments?

>>17254845
>Maybe Porsche 911 has a V6 too?

Well technically it does..........

>>17254983
Insurance doesn't go up much for a second car. Registration is a who cares thing in my state...every other year you pay like $40 and have to pass an emissions test, which is usually just a OBD2 code check. Garage space is cheap.

>>17250489
The only thing I can do is make the Countach.

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>>17252316
>Name car the 86
>Not a homage
How did you graduate?

>>17254898
Depends. 2015> maro V6 sucks. 2016 V6 camaro is a breddy good american sports enthusiast coupe.

I almost got a fist, found the Elantra sport to be nicer

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>>17250489
>this looks like the closest I'm going to get to a current ST general

Any actual FoRS owners ITT?
Can give real life highway MPG and maintenance schedules/costs?

>>17258484
Are you seriously thinking about blowing 45k on a focus?

>Protip: it's impossible.

maybe in the american market.
we've had hot hatches in europe for a long time.
don't get too used to it.
now that trump has made changes to the NAFTA trade agreement (they'll have to basically build the cars in the US once the changes come into place) you can forget about ford or any other manufacturer bringing cars like this to the US market in the future.

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>FWD teenage girls car strapped to a pissweak turbo as a formality
>remotely an enthusiast car

Good one op, you actually made me reply

>>17258623

Maybe. The other options being a Subaru or a Honda?
Yes. Ford.

>>17258734
You have many better options at that price point, anon.

I like the abarth better, those recap seats are fucking painful

>>17258864

Chevy SS.

>>17258893
Exactly.

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>>17251796
>VW

>>17250921
>this meme again
Inline 6 are literally unbalanced for a third of the entire crank rotation too and the unbalance has been all but totally fixed in modern cars.

>muh balance
is totally a bullshit excuse. V6 can still offer same power at less space with less weight.

The ideal way to totally eliminate the inbalance would be with a flat 4 or a flat 6, which i think, are the ideal engines.

But yeah, ">muh inbalance" is a shit excuse. Even dedicated sports cars swapped into V6.

>>17258484
My friend owns one and I've driven it a bunch in the real world. I couldn't get it over 22MPG, even cruising at a steady 75 on an empty freeway in the middle of the night.

It's too new for maintenance to have been an issue yet (he only got it last month), so I can't speak on that.

>>17259395

Roger.
Was looking at a window sticker of one locally and it says its 19 city 25 highway and that's what my SVTF gets with less than half the horsepower.

>>17259118

Ford thread though. I'm asking questions, I need information.
I'll do my own comparisons.

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>>17250489

>>17260024
Motherfucker I'm telling you this as a Ford hatch fanboy. A Chevy SS would get you much better performance for the money spent.

>>17252289
The one in op's pic is European built, the 5 door ones you have in America are mexican built (along with almost every other car you buy over there)

>>17260030
>*blows head gasket*

>>17260136
Only 1995-2004 NA 2.5L models with EJ25D or EJ251.

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>>17258484
I have to keep it 65 highway but pull off 28mpg when not being a raceboi.

Why would anyone pay 20,000 to go 0-60 in 7.0 secs? I mean even the BRZ does better than that.

Lame.

>>17250489
Its got a turbo in it though.
I want to be able to gain power, not reach 3k rpm and then just ride on a set boost.

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>>17260765
Dude, unlike most of the board i am very well aware of the effects of turbo lag and spool up time, but that being said, the fiesta has a modern small turbo and 3k RPM is like, well under half the total RPM of the car.

I'm deciding to trade in my s2000 and get a fiesta st, toyobaru, miata/fiata, or maybe something actually practical...

I really like driving all of them, but the fiesta has the practicality thing down while still being fun.

If I had the money I'd just buy a lightly used focus rs

>>17258734
I got a '17 Forester XT for my wife and a '14 FiST to teach her stick for the same price as a FoRS.

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Speaking of hot hatches, has anyone driven one of these?

>>17260838
>S2k
No. keep it.

>>17260097

Motherfucker, suck my asshole, this isn't a God damn Chevy SS thread.
I'm in a fucking Ford thread asking a cocksucking question about Fords. This shit ain't that hard to follow.

>>17260877

That would be great if I needed 2 cars.

Why all the hate on a FoRS?

>>17261423
Trying to convey the fact that it's overpriced.

where the hecky did you find a 2016 camaro under 20k? California is so fucked when it comes to pricing.

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>>17260838

>>17252370
dumb frogposter

>>17260801
ive got a volvo with the same engine like the FiST and it gets into boost at 1.5k rpm. makes enough power to get on german autobahn without having to rev it over 3k rpm

>>17261446
I paid 36k on the FoRS and it has fantastic value. The later production has the revised engine block and can safely crank to 440hp/450tq. Almost 20k miles no issues even at stock clutch. RDU has turned off once but came right back on.

Something to consider imo, the Mazdaspeed 3 gen2 can be had for under 20k, but has more power, also is Japanese made. I love mine personally

>>17260686
They're that slow stock? Hahaha

>>17250489
toyobaru is in the same price range and will outhandle it and be viable for non gay shit like cone dodging.

>>17250933
supercharger is waste of time, you'll get more gains by fortifying where its great at: in the corners.
Tyres, wheels and coilovers and you'll be punching up like crazy on tracks that are at least balanced between cornering and speed.

>>17263656

RDU?

>>17264538
all wheel drive system for RS. they were reported to overheat on hard driving and turning RS into FWD only

>>17264590
Are there any fucking American ""performance"" vehicles that don't melt themselves? Pathetic.

>>17264605
RS is from Europe ford.

>>17264605
No. American car manufacturers just want to look good on paper.
>features xxx hp***
***unless you do normal highway driving before driving it hard, then will go to limp mode
>has awd***
***up until the rransfer case overheats, then will revert back to shitbox fwd

Anyone who buys american deserves that shit.

>>17264633
So all Fords suck dick, what a surprise.
Besides, I don't see how that matters. It's still an American company and no ""American"" cars are built in America anyway.

>>17250741
Fiat Abarth 595 Biposto is better in every single possible way

>>17264664
Fuck right off. Abarths are torque steering nightmares to drive

At least in the Fiesta it's somewhat controllable, but the Punto and 500 Abarths are terrible for it

>>17254815
Let's see the Dyno
>>17261416
You're in a bait thread

>>17264882

Thanks for the heads up.

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>>17264882
Not him but numbers seem perfectly believable. Here is a stage 3 dyno.

>>17264979
Jesus, that must be terrible.

Talk about torque steer and wheel hop

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>>17250741
The DS3 racing

>>17250770
I'll agree with that as long as my 1996 Dodge Ram makes me a bona-fide /o/ approved enthusiast. I sure do love driving it.

>>17260562
>>17259395
is the gearing super short? I'd like to think ford would have had the insight to give 6th gear a massive overdrive since that gear would be pretty useless for any race type situations.

>>17266308
DS3 is not a hot hatch. Its more of a damp hatch

>>17268869
It's faster and better all around than the FiST.
So your statement is wrong.

>>17268898
Bollocks. When I test drove one, the interior rattled at 30mph and it felt like a tank to drive.

There's no way it's better than the Fiesta. Speed isn't everything.

>>17268911
Mate I own a FiST and the interior apart from the seats is shit compared to its real rivals: the Ibiza Cupra, Polo GTI, 208 GTI, Clio RS, DS3-R and Mini Cooper S.

>>17268911
Dash is well made, even sharing with the inferior c3, it's better than the clusterfuck from fiesta, looks like a toy full of buttons. Not recaros, but very good bucket seats. Awesome styling. Sharp steering and good throttle response. Suspension is fairly well tuned, a bit harsh, but it's ok. Awesome brakes. It can be fun, comfy, stylish, exclusive and look not as cheap as the FiST. But the best hot hatch(compact) is the 208 GTi, hands down. Better than the DS3R and the FiST.

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>>17250489
They still made these in 2012 Anon, and having driven both extensively, the FiST is worlds below one of these.

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>>17250489
>Oversteer on power
I think you'll find that's "understeer" you're experiencing when the front end won't turn in
>No gimmicks
Apart from OVERBOOST and the fact that the "exhaust sound" is fake, and very obviously playing through the speakers in the front doors
>Precise enough for brain surgery
Disappointing, floaty suspension with ages of body roll compared to it's competitors?
>Can be had brand new for 20k
And? You can have a Swift Sport or an Abarth for 15. Both are better cars.
>Name a better enthusiast car
Or, y'know, name any car that isn't bought by finance kids moving out of their Ltd Ed Corsas, not enthusiasts. Fiesta STs are more common and more disappointing than fucking herpes.

ITT: OP cries because everyone has suggested cars that comfortably eclipse his shit Fiesta, and he realises deep down inside that he's blown £20k on a car worse than something he could've had for £6k, then proceeds to cry and tell everyone else that they're wrong.

>>17269143
>t. never driven one at all

>>17250781
why would you want to?

>>17269157
Have you? Evidently not.

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>>17250912
The true God Masheen

>>17250880
the camaro is a muscle car bro it needs a v8

>>17269166
I own one, kek

>>17250880
Muscle cars are supposed to have a V8

>>17269143
>You can have a Swift Sport or an Abarth for 15. Both are better cars
3/10 made me reply

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>>17250489
Lotusmiata

>>17250489
Pretty much any sports car out there
>FWD
>Uglier than you
>Ford so it'll fall apart in a week

Face it, the only reason why you'd buy a Fiesta ST is because you're too poor to get a Focus ST.

>>17269779
no I bought one because it's more fun than the focus
t. driven both

>>17264695
As said by the little bitch who can't compensate for the torque

>>17269549
The Abarth is cheaper and really, if you're going to race, it also has a more developed aftermarket

>>17269851
lol, Abarth ?? Motherfucking Abarth ????

>>17255006
You fucking retard. It's not a matter of being able to afford them or not, it's a matter of if it's actually worth the time and financial investment to keep two cars going.

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>>17269528
>>17269186
Doesn't need a V8 to hand the Ford Mustang GT's its ass on a platter.

>>17269871
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZNA6neitRA

>>17269549
Then buy a used miata like everyone else

>>17254845
>>17255042
porsche v6's just have a larger angle... 180 degrees to be exact :^)