where did it all go wrong?

8th gen

>>17245934
the Accord assembly line got Civic badges by mistake

7th

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>>17245941
>8th gen
last good one or first bad one?

Americans

Unironically 7th gen

>>17245934
7th gen is where it got stupid. EM civics were made bigger and shittier for all the normies, it got its hybrid trim for edgy normies but at the same time EP civics carried that "civic" legacy with its type R k20 goodness.
8th gen has the last good type R (japan only, fuck the euro FN ugly as sin one) including that aftermarket expensive Mugen RR. Good platform overall.
9th gen and 10th gen are just small accords and the new type r is a fat fwd rice mobile that lost it's type R essence and focus.
So it all went wrong from the 9th gen to the present 10th.

Isn't the 8th and 9th gen the same thing face-lifted multiple times?

>>17245934
ok, here we go
5th, 6th good
7th ok
8th shit
9th shit
10th still shit but better looking

>>17245952
These bright ass spaceship clusters need to go. It's just making cars expensive with shit that will break.

The new one looks awesome in person, the pics doesnt do it justice.

>>17245934
after they phased out the k20 it was downhill from there.

might as well shoot themselves now. they destroyed there fanbase with the crz "eco and fast" bullshit they were trying to push. The honda fit is the only one i would exclude from this as the l-series engine is proving to be like the d-series only newer.

>>17246453
I dont like the plastic fake vents in the back.

>>17246419
>>17246453
>10th gen better looking

FAKE

V
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S

1st and second beautiful for the 10min after driving from the showroom and immediately consumed by rust

3rd and 4th glorious poor mans god machine

5th and 6th a brown guy owned this it has bald tires and it has never had an oil change

7th + banal cars that look like everything else on the road.

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Why is the american civic so ugly?

>>17245952

8th gens are an ok car but not a good civic if that makes sense, it looks way too different and had lost that honda 'feel'

>>17247234
the egg is pretty cool imo too bad they didn't put a proper engine in it

>>17245934
>it's another /o/ circlejerk over 90s shitboxes thread

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>>17247275

notice how there is no circlejerk about 90s achievas or whatever, it's bc civcs are gud kars

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>>17247234
the fuck is that?

>>17246792
We really need a k20 Fit Type R.

But I shiver to think of what present day Honda would do to it.

Torque vectoring, brake-by-wire, engine mapped for efficiency and maybe even throw some fucking hybrid system in there.

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>>17247234

Europe has Civic sedans too, nigger.

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>>17245934
5 > 6 > 7 = 10 > 8 > 9

10 is lighter than the last two gens, has the fastest steering rack, and doesn't use the stupid 2-step gauge cluster

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Civicfags help me out
Is this a gud car? Gonna be my first manuel
I'll be doing 300mi trips at least bimonthly, can it handle that?

How low do you think I can haggle it down?


http://www.bayridgehonda.com/vehicle-details/2008-honda-civic-coupe-2dr-man-ex-brooklyn-ny-id-16855905

car got heavier and the stopped using double wishbone suspension.

what made the 5th gen so good was that it was fun to drive hard in twisties.

>>17248224
>muh double wishbones
911s use MacPherson struts just like new Civics

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>>17247310
U mad? Here's my '85 CRX I just bought last week. Objectively best looking Honda.

>>17247909
what really blows me away is how stringent the emission and mpg regulations are becoming.

seriously, my work van is a 2014 ford transit with the 4 cylinder. great van, but the transmission will upshift at ANY given opportunity while climbing a hill, while making a corner, when 3/4 throttle.

so by "maximizing" fuel economy they are wearing out transmissions by having them upshift so much. my company has gone through tons of these transmissions because of this issue.

>>17248385

why would i be mad lmao, i like 90s civics

nice crx, although if i had to have an 80s honda it would be an accord

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>>17248394
I ment to reply to the guy you replied to. Thanks though man, I'm looking forward to restoring it.

>>17245934
7th gen was the last good one.

2001

>killed the prelude
>killed the Integra
>put mcdonald struts in everything

>>17248348
Is this what fwd honda cucks tell themselves?

>>17248348
It has a good chassis and drivetrain. What makes you think it can't do better with better suspension geometry.

>>17245934
Late 90's. 2000's was a shit show for car designs. In this decade there's a few more acceptable cars.

>>17248393
Manufacturers should go back to doing simpler, lighter cars.

Stuff with no ac, electric windows, power steering and so on. Make a small, sub 1000kg hatchback and give it a nice little engine. It can't be that hard.

Anyway, sooner or later we'll either go full electric or move from gasoline to hydrogen, that's my guess.

>>17248457

yeah won't happen due to gay ass safety regulations

unfortunately that 45 year old obese office manatee who piles into a bridge parapet at 60 because she couldn't get off pintrest / stop eating her starbucks muffins needs to be protected, hence pigfat pillow cars covered with airbags and with nannying controls

i love the future

>>17248457
Thanks funny thing was, CRXs got similar mileage and performance to CRZs - all while being almost 30 years older

>>17248489
Because emissions equipment is bullshit.

>>17248457
>no ac, electric windows, power steering and so on.
Just go buy a go kart dumb dumb, you clearly don't want a car

>>17248159
Just get a civic for 3k.

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>>17248489
If I'm not mistaken when Best Motoring tested both cars (plus a bunch of hatchbacks) they found that the CRX accelerated faster, kek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK_USplw0m4&t=2088s

Skip to 22:34 for that.


>>17248487
Well, at least we still have Mazda. The ND is very much what I just asked for.

Maybe Toyota too. In japan they sell a purer version of the 86. But yeah, Honda's at a really bad place right now.

Most brands are.

>>17248541
There are no 3k civics in ny, not working order ones at least

Also I want something a bit nicer/sportier

>>17248538
Oh no, anon, I do want a nice new car.

However I'm not a woman.

>>17248553

why are cars so expensive in america? here in the uk i can understand, our mph instruments and rhd mean there is a limited export market = cheap but i don't understand why this happens in burgerland

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>>17248159
Bump for help

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>>17245934

How so? I own a 10th gen 2016 civic EX-T It's a great car. I never liked civics until the new gen came out.

>>17248650
Because most American-market cars are assembled in either Canada or Mexico, both of which have strict labour unions that demand high wages. That and the general need for """luxury""" features like touchscreens everywhere, and ridiculous """safety""" regulations that mandate front crumple zones, red line limiters, automatic transmissions, rollover protection, electronic stability control, airbags to protect airbags, and on and on. Plus meme taxes. The high price of new cars is a good thing though, because it discourages people from buying them. Ideally nobody would buy them and all the carmakers would go bust so we're forced to use older cars that are actually good.

7th gen, clearly. That civic looks like a fucking Kia, at best.

Everything afterward is pure still-steaming dog shit. 7th gen at least had some time to air and dry out.

>>17248870
8k for an 8th gen? Nigga is smokin dick, it's not even an Si. If he won't do 5k, don't do it.

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>>17247234
>implying other civics aren't ugly
>Implying civics are American when civic fanbois say "muh JDM"
>implying any civic isn't horribly designed and styled

You are dumb and not welcome here on /o/

If you wish to find people that think like you go join the other special kids on /hg and /asg and go circlejerk with the other weebs.

Or kill yourself. That works fine too.

>>17248959
Its a dealership though, so I'm assuming it comes with a warranty?

What you do think is a reasonable price to get it down to if you take into account that I'm an autistic bench racer thats never haggled before?

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>>17249001
>getting this frazzled up over an econobox
>getting this frazzled up over anything

kek

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>>17249001

>>17248422
The guys racing them and raving about how well they handle?

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>>17249161
That doesn't imply anything about its additional potential. Porsche is still limited by how wide they can make the car considering the boxer takes a lot of space. If you throw enough money at something, of course it will do well.

I don't know why every time mcstruts are brought up, people always bring up the 911 to defend themselves. Yes, it does well. But it is not typical. Look up modern Ferraris, R8s, Lambos, Ford GT's, GTRs, Corvettes, etc and you will see they all use dws or a similar multilink.

Take any vehicle dynamics course and you will learn that mcstruts are purely a cost or space alternative. Porsche designed theirs well, but given the choice the engineers would likely have chosen DWS.

>>17249001
>implying muh jay dee emm faggotry isn't a product of shitty shart car culture

Get fucked you stupid nigger. Go pay out the nose for an old Datsun.

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>>17247926
>10 is lighter than the last two gens

Nigga what

>non-si 8th gen: 2,600 lbs
>non-si 10th gen: 2,800lbs

>>17248513
I found out that 6cyl mustangs and fairmonts get like 26-28mpg

It's because they only weigh 2k lbs

safety and emissions absolutely wrecks performance

>>17249234
The front end uses MacPherson struts the rear end where the engine is uses multilinks

>>17245941
You have no idea what you're talking about benchracer. 8th gen was the last one to have a small steering wheel and a screaming high 8k redline.

>>17246415
Only design. Engine, tranny, interior all over-hauled.

>>17246419
8th gen is good. Please don't talk about things you know nothing about.

>>17246809
>>17247085
This is a standard feature on cars now. Get with the program.

>>17249327
2009 LX Sedan Automatic - 2754 lbs
2017 LX Sedan CVT - 2751 lbs
And the 10th gen packs more EVERYTHING. Makes you wonder how bloated the 8th gen really was.

>>17248224
Try driving the 10th gen

>>17248404
wrong

>>17248457
*moves 2 units a year

>>17249027
It's old. It's not going to come with warranty.

>>17249616
>What are trim levels?

>>17249834
If you bothered to read. I compared equivalent trim levels.

7th was the last honest version of the civic

8 + 9 were horrific

10 looks aight, but is too stylized, and trying to be more than what it actually is

>>17249844
I'm answering to '*moves 2 units a year'.

>>17249616
>moves 2 units a year

fiat's fuckbox proves that isnt true.

>>17247909
Doesn't the new Civic type R have a Turbo K20?

>>17245952
>needs an oil change after 6 miles
uhhhh sounds pretty bad to me

>>17250005
Indeed. K20C or something like that.

Still, the fk8 is a bit on the big/heavy side, thus my eagerness for a fit.

Plus, it'd be great to have a naturally aspirated Type R once more.

But then again the new SI is turbo, so no hopes for that, Honda would probably go for a 1.4t or something like that.

>>17249934
>>17250002
It's cheaper for manufactures to provide things standard. The standard systems we all have now, AC, power steering, etc are so cheap that manufactures will actually lose money by creating a trim without them because they have to create a brand new build process and whatnot.

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I have an 8th gen EX-L, and I can't wait to get rid of it. It's reliable and practical, but it's also absolutely painful to drive.

>>17248553
>There are no 3k civics in ny, not working order ones at least
I'm getting rid of mine for $3k in a couple months, but it's already spoken for.

>>17250085
Why is it painful to drive?

>>17250117
Slow, boring, shifts at the worst times, lots of road noise (would be okay in something more enjoyable). It's very numb to drive.

I appreciate its utility, and it was nice to have as a commuter when I needed it, but it's not the kind of car I enjoy.

>>17250085
Really? That sucks.

I have a 8th gen sedan as well (2009 EX-L), and I love it. It's reliable, good on gas, and I find it pretty fun. Just below 3500 rpm is pretty dull. Then again, after having driven a Cruze for a bit (driving instructors car), I've come to appreciate it even more.

Also owned a 95 civic hatch until a few days ago, which was fun, but I have more fun in the 09 DESU.

To each their own.

Also, tires do a lot for the noise. Mines pretty quite with good all seasons. Loud AF on winter's lol

>>17250261
Maybe I'm being too hard on the car, but I really just don't like it anymore. It replaced my Prelude as daily driver, which I'd switch back to in a heartbeat. It made sense having a Civic for a while because I was commuting 100 miles a day. But now it takes me at least a week to do that kind of mileage, so there isn't much purpose in having it anymore.

>>17250085
When you switch to a newer car. You will realize how amazing this car is. I say this from experience.

>>17250423
>how amazing this car is
Amazing in what way? I've found it to be reliable, but otherwise underwhelming.

>>17250437
Is yours manual or automatic?

>>17250459
Automatic, '09 EX-L

>>17250473
Ah, I mainly drove the manual and it was a blast. I did drive an auto too, it was decent, but nothing to brag about.

>>17248915

i agree that seems like a nice plan to end the production of fat modern blobs, but i meant used car prices in the USA, why are they so high?

and why would you make cars in the most expensive, unionised places you could find lmao

>>17250085
The Accords from that gen were so much better than the Civics

>>17250437
>>17250085
>autotragic with an R series
There's your problem

>>17249616
MT is around 2,600 lbs give or take 50. I agree that the AT is shite.

>>17250146
>autotragic

There's your problem.

The M/T shifts are a bliss, short and smooth. A lost art in the 10th gen, as I've heard.

When the Murrikans got their own garbage models.

>>17247918
Exclusively the hybrid which they straight up imported from the US because the Japs themselves couldn't be fucked to build a hybrid.

>>17253825
10th gen is fine, people just forgot what a new shifter feels like

>>17248159
gius pls

Ignore the price for now, I'll see how low I can drop it.
Is it in good condition?
What should I look for when I go inspect it/test drive it.
Also I haven't touched a manual in like 5 years. How fucked am I?

>>17245934
How would you describe the transition of 5-7th gen to 8-10th gen?

>>17246412
New type R is relatively light compared to competition and faster than anything before.

Looks are subjective and turbos are necessary to compete in its segment.

I'm not a ricer but don't be stupid. Is there anything in America in its segment that weighs less?

>>17246441
This is not bad compared to HUDs and seems pretty reliable. 2007 Civic Hybrid with 80K miles and no issues.

>>17253825
Ok, so the 2017 LX manual is 55 lbs more than the 2009 Civic LX manual, but the 2017 has 18 more horsepower. That weight difference is quite impressive considering the stuff the 2017 is packing vs the 2009. 2017 also has a much better shift and steering feel. And don't even get me started on how much better the gauge cluster is.

>>17255421
(you)

>>17245934
10th gen. Civic always looked clean, simple, trim, and fairly athletic (with the exception of the frumpy as fuck 7th gen excluding the EP3 Si which is an abberration unto itself anyways).

10th gen is just off the fucking reservation weird. I guess the new 1.5 turbo engine is pretty sweet, but jesus fuck I can't look at these cars without having a negative emotion.

The 8th and 9th gen were pretty fucking nice IMO. I know that isn't a popular opinion around here. I just think they were clean as fuck. I liked the dual level dash, and the K series even though they had mcdonalds struts and not multiking.


The world needs a K20 powered Fit Si.

>>17245934
why all the paki license plates?

>>17246441
it's dumb

spaceship clusters are cool, but they have been fucked up so bad by everyone after the early 90s

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>>17248385
holy fug

>>17250013
>what is battery mode

>>17250308
dude lmao you got rid of your prelude for that? I shit on civics and accords but I love my lude. that 2 door accord v6 was stylish, like pic related, but I dont know how it performs. Saw a modified one on the road though it looked nice

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>>17259126
woops forgot pic

>>17247909
>We really need a k20 Fit Type R.
Take a 2nd gen Fit Sport and put a k20 in it.

>>17250013
How's your bus ride?

>>17259143
Not the same thing.

civics were never cool, your argument is invalid.

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USDM Honda Civics described.

>True Honda Civics
>1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations
Cheap and cheerful runabouts that didn't punish you for not spending more.

>Peak Civic
>5th gen
The standard to which not just other Civics, but other small cars, are measured. Super easy to mod and super reliable. Still see these on a regular basis.
>6th gen
More of the same. Has better styling in my opinion. Fantastic Si model late in it's run.

>The fall
>7th gen
New but not improved. Lost double wishbones for struts. Completely abandoned most of the core Civic values to be more mainstream. The Si hatchback was built on totally different DNA.
>8th gen
Beginning of the star-ship interiors. The Sedan looked like a hybrid, even if it wasn't. The Coupe was nothing special to look at. No hatchback this generation. Si models had 197 hp.
>9th gen
More of the same, but worse. Had to be restyled and reworked after one year due to savage reviews. Si models have 201 hp out of 2.4 liters.

>The midsize sedan masquerading as a Civic
>10th gen
A substantially improved, and substantially larger model. High tech interior without the two tier dash gauges. Introduces turbocharging and self-driving technologies. Has a full range of sedan, coupe, and 5 door hatchback models. USDM gets Type-R models for the first time in the near future.

The 10th gen is a fine car, but has almost nothing in common with most Civic predecessors.

>>17245934
7th gen.

>get rid of double a-arm for inferior macstrut

I dont think civics even run an IRS any more do they? 4-6 gen are the best, double a-arm front and 4 link IRS rear. Specifically EF is best autocrosser due to being the lightest and smallest, otherwise the EG is nice as it is a little lower and has better aero. it started to get bigger and fatter with the EK but theyre not bad.

>>17259126
>dude lmao you got rid of your prelude for that?
No, I still have my Prelude, and also my S2000. Civic is the daily driver.

>>17252857
>>17253825
You're probably right that it would be better without the automatic transmission. I got the car at a good price from family, which is mostly how I ended up with an auto Civic. My dad wants to buy it from me now, so I'm pretty certain about getting rid of it soon.

>>17261435
Parents want me to get an auto 8th gen sedan and sell my autotragic 7th gen ex, i dont like 8th gen much at all.
Im strongly considering accords over the civic right now cause accords are way cleaner and civics got over priced as fuck in nc.
If i for somereason get an 8th gen civic, how bad is the r18 engine to work on?

i owned the 8th gen Si it was pretty great

>>17261503
>how bad is the r18 engine to work on?
It really hasn't needed anything beyond regular maintenance, so I haven't touched it much. Seems like there's plenty of room though.

I think the worst non-scheduled maintenance the car needed was a bulb.

>>17245944
Fucking truth in more ways than just the design

>>17247918
I only saw maybe 5 Civics the entire time I was in England for 2 weeks.

It was fucking awesome.

>>17248159
Price is high but you're not going to jew them down much. It's a Honda, used Civics are high demand and dealerships aren't going to let it go for 5k when they want 8.

Other than price, it looks fine. Really low miles, not autotragic, ~30 mpg average.

>>17250308
Makes sense then. I drive about 650km a week normally, so I need something reliable and good like the Civic, which is part of the reason why I like it so much.

Going from a prelude though, yeah I can see why you'd be disappointed

>>17261703
It's a manuel though, and it looks like its been on the lot for over a year. Even looks like the brake rotors are rusty from disuse kek.

I'm gonna bring up that I'll have to change the serpentine belt asap, and the whole leaky coolant engine block thing with how it'll most likely happen after the 10 year warrenty is up, unless I somehow put like 20k miles on it in a year.

Then I'll bring up how the owner seems like retard what with the clutch replacements etc, and that in my geriatric/ slowly being gentrified neighborhood, no one really wants the ugliest gen civic in stick. Except for me due to being a broke grad student.

Think that'll work?

>>17247113
>3rd and 4th gloriou

says someone who has owned neither; these platforms are worlds apart

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4th gen is goat