tire tier list

>>17229117
>michelin>goodyear>continental>>>>everyone else

Inb4 pilot sports faggots in their mcdonalds shift managers lease mobiles

I use Goodyears on my car because thats what the manufacturer recommends and theres fuck all else for quality in that size around.

>>17229141
I've never had Michelin's that weren't shit. Continental is the best.

>>17229134
>>17229141
>>17229163
>>17229171
Where does Bridgestone fall into? Top tier? Mid tier?

>>17229117
no, i don't have autism
thanks for asking

>>17229171
>michelin
>shit
pick one.

>>17229193
mid tier. could be higher depending on the actual tire model.

I have Dunlop Direzza Z2's on my Miata is there a better tire I could get?

My 3 avoid brands

>Sumitomo. Jesus Christ the rubber they use is so cheap, it doesn't matter how much tire paste you use the bead will always snap super hard when mounting. If a tire is going to blow up in your face it will probably be a sumitomo, never buy these

>Goodyear. They make *some* okay tires but these consistently have high road force and don't last that long compared to many other brands

>Go form. Chinese rubber, traction is shit and they don't last long. Not much to say here, just never buy Chinese tires

My top 3 brands
>Continental hands down. People shill Michelin a lot, and although they are a very good brand continental has them beat when it comes to the traction and tread wear trade off. Conti pro contacts have an AA traction rating with a 500 tread wear rating. About 50k miles. A set of extreme contacts are a much better choice than meme sports.

>Michelin. Really soft tires. Awesome to mount them, they are built to last and they use very high quality rubber. Definitely a close second. They make l/t versions of the defender, great choice if you have a 3/4 ton+ truck

>Bridgestone. Although a lot of their tires are pretty firm they are still high quality. They make tires for any application, if it's for your shitbox or your semi they have it.

>>17229202
>>17229221
Ok, now I know I didn't make a mistake at least. Thanks guys

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>>17229117
hangook
because no one has decent tires in 165/70-13

>>17229234
Which tires did you get? What size?

What do you think about toyo?

>>17229255
Bridgestone Potenza
225/50 R18 on the front
245/45 R18 on the back

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If I haven't ever heard of you tire brand then Yeah I'll judge. but any known brand is fine for most cars provided not dry rot/old as hell. On a sport car if you don't have a good grippy tire I will judge too because wtf man. even more so if it's a bunch of mismatched tires.I will personally never cheap out and buy shit tier tires again. I had a blow out on the highway once. Namebrand with road hazard warranty is top tier.

I do have some favorites though.
bridgestone potenzas are good albeit pricey. falken and kumhoes are okay esp for the price on most of their products. Then theres slicks like hoosier or mickey thompson you only see at track/events I like the look but 0 experience with them.

Some tires I do think are stupid over rated such as MPSS. Yeah it's a good tire and all, but you can get grippy ones for cheaper to daily on.

>>17229252
I sorta know that feel. got some grippy 14" for my e30. might be stupid but it's so much cheaper compared to my daily's size and similar tire
>>17229272
good grippy tires, but never heard anything positive/negative about their generic shit

>>17229272
trash

this thread is pointless, the answer changes based on what type of tire and the size you need.

just avoid the no-name chinese brands. tire rack's reviews are pretty good to compare like against like.

pilot super sport (or ps4s) can't be beat for street driving but you can save a lot of money and get something that's >95% as good (and use that money to put towards track tires if you really need the performance)

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>>17229292
yea I have to go to at least 14s to get into better compounds
even then most of the brands are still fuel economy oriented

>>17229316
how much you pay for those? I paid about $300 w/o shipping for falken azenis 195/60/14 (65 ratio stock size)

>>17229283
Good choice my man

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>>17229334
>good choice
>there are about 20 different potenzas, all of which are certainly not a good choice

ok the bridgestone shilling has to stop

>>17229334
Thanks heh. I'm just glad I didn't make a mistake by not picking a brand the other /o/tists trust

>>17229353
Oh shit really?

You got my anxiety all fucked up right now

>>17229331
600$
they are discontinued

>>17229221
What are your opinions on Falken? Have them on my BMW because they seem reputable and are a decent price semi performance/daily all season tyre.

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who falken here

>>17229353
>No they shit

Don't offer anything else to the discussion, please

No, because you can have good off-brand tires.

I'm on Yokohama S.drives and they've been very good to me. Michelin's been very good to me, same with Firestone.

Wasn't impressed with Kumho. I guess I'd avoid them considering so many other options.

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AESTHETIC

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>>17229457
what chu kno bout it

>>17229117
>best/favorite
Toyo Proxes
>most overrated
Pirellis
>most surprising in a good way
Michelins
>honorable mention
Nitto, especially the nt555

On a further note, what is the absolute worst brand anyone would consider using? Nankang? Sumitomo? Insert Chinese name here?

>>17229538
My first tires that came apart were pirelli's

>>17229584
Right? And yet they're touted as some fantastic competition racing choice. I think they spent too much effort following the Enzo biz model

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>>17229457
Pls

>>17229622
Isn't Pirelli chinese now?

>>17229628
What are those?

>>17229652
BF Goodrich G-Force T/A KDW

I use whatever Tire Rack offers

where do you get your tires from? Do you buy them online or from some beaner tire shop downtown?

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>>17229141

I had Michelin Pilot Exaltos on a Mazda3, they were decent tires in dry weather. Very grippy.

I currently have Michelin LTX M/S2's on my FJ Cruiser (it came with them) and they fucking SUCK.

Getting rid of them in a few weeks for some BFG KO2 A/T meme tires.

It was those or Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs.

I would get some Nitto Grapplers if I could find a place that actually sells them in Canada.

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>>17229353

But they shill hard on MighyCarMods, surely they must be good.

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>>17229797
Nitto Grapplers are the true meme tire. BFG A/Ts r gud

What do my fellow euroniggers think of Nokian zLine?

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Brands are almost completely irrelevant, with the possible exception of cheap tires from China or similar countries.

Brand A might make a decent summer tire that is exceptionally great on wet roads, but their sub-$80-price-point all-season tire may not be as good as competitors' offerings.

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>>17229134
>michelin>goodyear>continental
Good rule of thumb.

I always buy my tires according to the technical reviews of the German Automobile Club (ADAC).

GoodYear and Michelin are almost always in the top 5.

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2017 summer tires

I use bottom of the barrel tires on my daily.
And I pump them to 45psi for sick mpgs.

have Michelin Primacy MX4s on my new shitbox, bretty gud except they're loud as FUCK at high speed

Only if they have hella faggot camber and width they can't use, then wrap them in $10 chinese smegma rubber, which is every stance faggot.

>>17229829
I don't care for people that are brand cucks.
Buy what you can afford that is the best in that price bracket. End of story.

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I'm broke as fuck.

How stupid and gay would I be if I bought these?

https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/ohtsu-tire-fp0612-a-s/p/31086

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>>17229983
About as gay as pic related

Just got a set of Vredestein Sportrac 5. Dunlops I had on before were complete shit.

>>17229252
That panda's riding a bit high. Is that a 4x4?

>>17229117
I have good experiences with Vredestein and Michelin. Also recently got a bargain on some Yokohamas for my lolvo, and they've performed admirably.

>>17229828
Nokian Line are god tier so I can only assume that zLine is even better.

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>>17229989
...so you just had this saved?

I think the dude on the left looks really good. Not even gay, but he's got a nicer ass than most girls.

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>>17230011
>you just had this saved?
Of course!

What good is a gun without bullets?

>dude on the left looks really good. Not even gay
>Not even gay
Uh. ..ok..keep telling everyone that

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>>17230055
I will.

Now tell me what are some good cheap tires i can buy for cheap because i need some cheap tires that are good, you mark ass trick.

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>>17230064
The ones you mentioned are fine. Since they are suited for fairies and hairy cheek smashers like yourself

>>17229117
I judge by brand, combined with the car on which they are installed. When I see a Mercedes C230 with kuhmos on it, I know that it's some piece of shit who bought a car that they couldn't afford to maintain.

>>17229409
Who butterface here?

>>17229628
Is that a fucking LS2?

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>>17230075
Is that an invitation?

>>17229983
Those look like a reasonable cheap tire. Making tires isn't rocket science, and as long as you're not stressing the tire with heat, a failure is very unlikely. I'd say go for it for less than 200$ a set. My tires are twice that per, so good on you.

I only use cheap tyres because touge and caster toe in and camber scrub them every 5 months on the rear and the fronts are not far behind.

Maxxis pace and Achilles are ok

245 or wider is so much better

>>17230006
Tires I'd avoid would be any sort of chinky shit.

>>17229196
My father bought some summer Michelins for his car. They were utter shit in his opinion. They lasted him a lot, but the traction was almost non-existent.

ordered some hangook ventus pro 12 evo 2 revenegance 5 eclectic boogaloo pro grips or something
I'm curious to see how they do.
Current kuhmo's are so shit I haven't even bothered to see what model they are.

>>17229867
My current tires for my car are Semperit Master Grip 2 in the same exact size. They are really good actually. They have lasted me the last 3 winters with no problem and they have a lot of life in them. I think the neighbour has either Continentals or Bridgestones on his 530xd and they fare worse. It could be that my car has more mechanical grip and there are no nannies on mine to stop me from correcting, but I will never know.

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I judge by the tires themselves, not by the brand

Although I do consider anyone who drives on unknown chinese brand tires complete idiots

>>17230180
nothing wrong with extra tread

>not using Linglongs

It's like you want to commute without dying in a blaze of glory. Pussies.

Bought my Clio with Michelin Energy Saver and they were godlike, almost did 70k km with them. A new set costed over 600 euro though so I switched to BFGoodrich tires which are owned by Michelin anyway.

>>17230110
Thanks for the input, anon.

I just don't want to die of starvation or a light rain. I'll still look around but I don't really see any other alternative, and these looked to be the "best of the worst" per se..

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>thinking brands make a difference
>falling for the road hazard warranty jew
>falling for the tire jew
I get cheap Chinese shit at the flea market

>Mastercraft
>Hercules
>Fisk

>>17229117
For everyday use outside of southern California? Avoid anything like the plague that isn't Michelin Pilot Super Sports (or the new PS4S if you can fit them).

>inb4 angry busriders telling me they're no good

>>17229194
Yes you do.

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>>17229989
Post more cute boys pls

>>17230270
Tyres are just a meme.
I run on my rims.

>>17229252
I LOVE Hankook's Dynapro ATM. Have them on both my trucks. I've never had better all-around tires: snow, mud, highway whatever.

>>17229272
I ran Toyo Proxes R1R on my turbo miat. They grip like crazy, until they suddenly let go. You have to push really hard for that to happen though. There's no telling when it'll happen, they are completely silent under all circumstances; they won't squeel or chirp or anything.
Again the grip is phenomenal, wet or dry, but they only last maybe 15k miles under normal driving. And probably 100 miles on the track.

>>17229117
Michelin Pilot Sport 4 here. 245/45/R18.
And for winter I have studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta 8

I avoid all cheap tires like Nexen, Nankang, Linglong, Fortuna etc. Most that come from China, India, Korea, Taiwan etc. and generally everything that is less than top 5 in tire tests.

>>17229141
pilot sports in a saab 9-3 Vector am i trying too hard ?

>>17230146
with michellin you have the best on either sided but you need to sacrifice the oposite, for exemple the pilot Super sports have the best traciton but will only last like 15K km, while the primacy have shit traction but will last like 60K km

>>17230456
>pilot Super sports have the best traciton but will only last like 15K km
I thought they had one of the best tread wear ratings!?

>>17230456
Isn't it now Pilot Sport 4S. I thought that they do not sell anymore super sports.

>>17230352
>not skating on rotors

>>17230474
They're still selling the PSS, the PS4S were only out for 19" or larger last time I checked.

>>17230474
Pilot Sports 4 for plebs like me, Super Sports for nito cars they start selling them at 19"

>>17230463
mm kiiindofff i mean compared to yokohamas they have nice wear for how much they grip, but compared to contisports or any other michelin line like the primacy or some pirellis P Nero they are shit on wear

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Tires cost more than my wheels.

>bought a new car last month
>bought a full stainless exhaust system before new tyres
>"sunew" tyres came from the ship
>never heard of this brand
>seems to stick ok in the dry
>first heavy rainfall in a while
>little bit of gas
>full wheelspin and cannot move
>car is useless

Well, fuck

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tfw it rains at random all the time
god dam nz

Do you have any suggestions for tires with good grip in the sieze 175/65 R14 or 155/65 R14 75 ?

>>17230561
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Search/Size/175-65-14/Order/Rating
this sight is sort of handy

How good are Pirrelli? I don't care about price, they just came on my car and am just wondering if it's good.

>>17229141
....whats wrong with pilotsports? i had them on my Focus ST and they were fine.

>>17229117
I unironically have kumhos on my dd
But I've got michellins on the track slut

>>17230601
They're usually pricey but not always good.

>>17229141
>Pilot Super Sport 225/40 R18 96Y front Pilot Super Sport 245/35 R18 96Y rear
You mad??

>>17230601
>Pirrelli
They're Italian, that's pretty much all you need to know.

>>17230702
only kinda
chinks bought them but they left a wop in charge

>>17230679
More specifically they are Pirelli P Zero Nero 275/40ZR20. I haven't driven on them yet as my car hasn't come in yet, just curious about them.

Continental have the best grip and the most comfortable ride in my experience they wear quickly in Australian summers. So i would say
Continental for cold/snowy climates
GoodYear for very hot climates
Michelin for inbetween

>>17230521
>not just rolling directly on your axles

>>17230887
>not just burying your car in dirt

>>17230763
they're just all-seasons. I think the biggest issue with pirellis is that they tend to not last very long.

>>17229117
not really, but if I see mismatching sets (other than 2 matching front 2 matching rear), then I get concerned.

it's the
>LF donut
>RR donut
>RF goodyear viva2
>LR kuhmo
people that worry me.

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>>17230939
>hating donuts

>>17230995
I once saw an evo6 on three space savers
and one 225 width wheel

>>17229538
Sunny is the worst

>>17230702
>chemchina 100% owner
>italian

>>17229117
How do I look or know signs of a good tire?

>Serious question
Also how do I learn about cars. because I ain't gonna be ignorant this time around

>>17229391
I have a pair of ZE914 at the front (185/60 15) because poorfag. They're alright, espacially for the price Can't fully judge since my car has a boat-tier handling, and the previous set of tires were godawful toyo's T1R (i fell for the thread design meme)

>>17229538
From what I recall, my father has Wanli on the front. Never ever again.

TOYO, TOYO, AND TOYO... soft tires, loud road noise, dont last long at all. Never again... and terrible in ALL SEASONS.

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>>17229141
My Mcdonalds car has PSS you trying to say something you cuck.

>not wanting superior stopping power
>not wanting superior handling
>not wanting the safest and most grippiest tire possible.

Anyone here had hankook rs3? how did they do if so

Since im also riding a motorcycle, on which the tire matters a lot more, i found that michelin, continental and pirelli do make good tires.

on my car i had michelin, but now installed firestone because they got good test results and were relatively cheap.

>>17229983
dont go cheap unless your current tires are completely unsafe. I was broke as fuck and needed tires bad. bought some tires from a gook company i never heard of and two tires were out of round and my car is pulling to the left now. Im going to run them bald because I know if I take them back they will just pawn them off on some other sucker.

>>17229292
I run falkens and cumwhores for the price, never had any issues with them

A friend recommended some pirelli for my mazda 3 (18 wheels).

Is the brand good?

>>17231712
idk how you have 18 wheels on a mazda 3 but congrats. pirelli is a decent brand

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Anyone here running Arizonian? It's Discount Tires private label, made by Cooper. I got a set of 4 about 6 months ago and they seem good so far. No complaints.

>>17231757
Fuck that was a brain fart.
18R
The name of the tires are pirelli cinturato. Is there a place where I can check reliable reviews on tires?

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I always stay away from Goodyear because they can't keep air in their tires

>>17231855
GF has a full set of those. 0 complaints for the price w/ warranty. other than maybe road noise is noticeably worse over 70mph

>>17231871
tirerack is my go to outside of forums. They usually compare tires themselves and rate them very honestly, and then theres also customer reviews.

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>>17229983
Ohtsu FP7000s are pretty legit, i've been driving on them for a couple of months and they are doing fine desu.

Ohysu is the parent company of falken anyway.

>>17229391
Guy you replied to here. Falken makes good poorfag tires. Surprisingly pretty good traction for cheap tires, the only catch is that the tread doesn't last that long, seems to be the story on almost all of their tires. But that's how they keep the prices competitive. Ohtsu is owned by falken so if you need a cheap tire I'd look there also, a lot of people overlook them because of how cheap they are, hence why we never really had much in stock. Much better choice compared to some shitty hankooks or Kenda's.

>>17229353
My man, Bridgestone is the biggest tire manufacturer in the world. They didn't get there making shit tires. What's your personal experience with them besides what you read online?

>>17229637
Oh shit is it? Anyone have the cinturatos p7s? Looking to get them on my Volvo

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>>17231902

>>17230995
there's a bit of a difference between Chris Harris and a bunch of housewives in a busted corolla

>>17229283
i love the bridgestone serenity's

even great on snow and ice.. they're so good i wish i could buy them every day

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Indy 500 is the ultimate tire for semi-poorfags.

>best in class UHP grip in both wet and dry, dethroning the BFG Sport Comp-2
>good treadwear rating
>fairly cheap
>not noisy
>look awesome

You pay 50% of a Pilot Super Sport for 95% the performance. Only bad part is the lack of feedback when you push them too hard. Note that the "Indy 500 Wide Oval" has nothing in common with this and is utter shit.

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>>17232979
>best in class UHP grip in both wet and dry, dethroning the BFG Sport Comp-2
Lies! All lies!

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>>17232986
>benchracing tires

assmad BFG fangirl detected

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>>17233001
>Shows proof
Noooooooooo!!!!!

>>17229117
you made this thread right as i just made my own tire thread!

>>17229117
i just ask my mechanic to fit whichever are the best balance for cost & longevity.

it literally doesn't fucking matter unless you're a racing driver, which none of you neckbeard fuckups are.

>>17230116
hey so im looking for some tires that could hold up to camber, shoudl i spend money on some super hard durable ones or just get cheap expendable ones?

think you could reccomend me some lad?

>>17233081
have you tried ... not being gay?

>>17233081
gt radial, nankang, those are quite cheap and should last a season or two

>>17230331
i would also like this ples

>>17230887
>not spraying lube onto the road infront of you and sliding down hills on your chassis

I currently run Bridgestone S-04's and they're pretty good with steering and in corners although after 10k miles I only had 5/32 rear and 3/32 front

my last car I ran Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 2's and they were pretty good too but I can't can't comment on how long they last because I got rid of the car a few thousand miles after

>>17230912
>>17233126
>not just strapping a seat to the engine and throwing it down a hill

>>17229221
>Sumitomo
My mother was born in Japan in 59, lived there til the late 80s. Still remembers the sumitomo jingle

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BF Goodrich

>>17233047
I'm a racer u fggt

>>17232979
How do they compare to the HTR Z III's and the Federal 595 Evo's?

being a truckbro it's always the fucking cheap mud tires that get me.
>Kanati Mud Hogs
>Atturo Trail Blade M/Ts
>Federal Couragia M/Ts

>"check out my 2016 F350 Platinum Powerstroke lifted 8" with dual remote-reservoir Fox coilovers and everything powdercoated candy teal, American Force 26x16 wheels that cost as much a Corolla wrapped in $900 chinese mudders that sound like a tornado siren coming down the road and need to be replaced every 60 miles"

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>>17230560
Ran a set of nok Hakk R's in Canada on the ice roads, the things are fucking unbelievable. Fuck Blizzaks, fuck anything else you can get, swedes know how to fuck jack frost in the ass.
I drove a '00 Honda CRV and out dragged every rig rocket and jeep from the lights on snow/ice, and could stop quick enough to cause an accident whenever the hell I wanted to. I watched guys loose it and slide off the road twice trying to keep up with me coming around onramp cloverleafs in their 4x4s.

>>17231986
Nice!
If I may ask, what car do you drive, anon? If it's anything similar to mine, I'll buy them tomorrow.

>>17231416
Bullshit. That's clearly a BK shift manager's car.

>>17229801
I forgot making the best tires in the world was considered shilling

>>17235074
Are the Hakkapelaiteiehatieas that good? I've heard great things about 'em and plan to put them on my car next winter; are they meant to be studded or can they be run studless?

>>17230601
Super expensive and highly overrated. Wouldn't buy them/10. But since they're already on your car there's no point in getting rid of them as long as they're in good condition

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Tires ive had,I will only comment on those ive owned.
>Michelin EnergySaver
Good shitbox tire, comfy.
>Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric
These are good, but a way off from PSS.
>Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta
Decent tires, good wear, kinda so-so in water, cool pattern(pic related)
>Michelin Pilot SuperSport
Simply put, The best tires ive owned, the only negative i have to say about em, is the wear.. and the price.

What do you guys think about nexen?

>>17237092
Meh tires. They'll preform average for a decent price. You could do a lot worse than nexen.

>>17237092
This >>17237123
I had a set of N5000 that were pretty decent and my dad had a set of Roadian HT on his truck that he liked better than the OEM Generals.

>>17237344
OEM generals? Wat? What a poor choice for a car manufacturer to pick general tires lel

>>17229797
Stay the fuck away from KO2's. I had a set on my truck and was getting stuck in 1" of mud SRSLY and fuk driving in the snow/ice with those cunts. Meme'd out shit. I love my Duratracs. Get a set, you won't regret it

Thinking of getting the bfg sport comp 2s for my evo 8 in 255/40/18 as a summer tire.

Yes/no /o/

>>17237882
i got em in 235's
decent tire, miss my pilot sports tho

>>17232979
What's wrong with the wide ovals? I've had mine for nearly a year with no complaints @ $60/tire

>>17237895
No money for pilots.

And I need 33s/34s for my off road rig

>>17237954
you really can't go wrong for the price
they even beat the pss in wet road rating, which is the reason I got em

>>17229117
Consumer Reports April 2017 is their annual car issue. They have nice reviews of top tires from the top 3 major tire brands: Continental, Michelin, Pirelli. These 3 companies own various other major tire companies whose brands have also been mentioned in this thread.

What's particularly good about the consumer reports tire reviews is that noise is also one of the items rated for the tire. Because consumer reports standardizes the car, the rims, and the roadway the tires are tested upon, the comparisons between tires is more consistent than comments on forums where people use tires with different rims, different sizes, different weather, different roadway surfaces, and different cars.

Your public library should have Consumer Reports april 2017.

>>17229117
>Whats your top 3 tire brands youd avoid like the plague?

They are all chinese brands sold in the USA. The chinese have been expanding their distribution system as low-priced tires and even high-priced tires sell for them.

>>17229117
Michelin super sports ONLY

>>17229221
>A set of extreme contacts are a much better choice than meme sports
I agree with this. Bought super sports and big upgrade over what I had but they hardly last with how much I drive. Using ExtremeContact DWS06 and they are just as good. PSS don't hardly make a sound when they lose grip either. Good and bad I suppose

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>ITT: not getting your tires for free off craigslist

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>>17229117
As someone with meme tires absolutely.

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>>17229117
Isn't it possible that if the tires are too good, they can damage your car? For example, if tires had 100% grip, turning sharply while making a right turn at an intersection could damage the wheel bearings. Similarly, Michelin Pilot Super Sports have such tight grip that repeated use might put a lot of sideways pressure on the bearings and suspension whereas tires that gripped less would significantly reduce the peak strain on the car.

>>17231387
That's funny because I also have 914s on the front but 912s on the rear, will probably get 912s on the front once these wear out as the 914 is an eco tyre while the 912 is a performance tyre which I didn't know at the time. Yeah my local place tried to sell me the Toyos but I didn't think theyd be any better for the extra price.
>>17231996
Thanks mate, yeah I bought them because they're a reputable brand I could afford and I didn't like the similarly priced Toyos or Chinese Bridgestones, will go to Continental once I'm earning good money tho but I'm glad you think they're a good cheaper alternative.

>>17229117

continental are pure shit, might as well drive on lego tires

>>17237860
I think the Duratracs are just as over-hyped/memed as the KO2. 1 out of 4 sets wear perfectly, perform well in everything and last 60k. the rest howl like shit and wear like shit, get stuck in a wet driveway and last 10k. Toyo or bust.

>>17229221
>>17240040
I have been wearing ExtremeContact DWs for about a year now and I love them. They corner 90% if not 95% as good as the pirellis and still make no noise and yet are wearing much more uniformly and slowly.

and they were only 150/corner, which was like "holy shit fuck yes" for 19" wheels.

>>17240066
>when you need to use a rifle from 50 yards away to safely deflate a tire

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>>17240142
If your bearings and subframe are made of cheese, sure. A car literally riding on rails would need to reconsider lateral loads, though, yes.

>>17232979
>watching these for a while to scoop up
>$130 a tire
>drops to $123
>then $118 each
>about ready to buy them
>goes out of stock in my size

bruh

>Finished doing about 30k's on my Direzza ZII's and just rotated them
>Want stickier wider tyres
>It's too late
>I can't go back now
>It will only get more expensive

>>17240385
>safely deflate a tire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWZ2I16hZSQ

>>17235173
The hakk R came both studded and studless, but are discontinued. I would guess all their new lines of hakk are just as good, check the site:
https://www.nokiantyres.com/

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>>17237016
>Vredestein Ultrac Sessanta
>cool pattern(pic related)

That's because they are designed by Giugiaro.


Truly the strangest tire brand.

>Dutch
>Italian design (on a bloody tire)
>Exclusively do high-performance tires
>Usually score quite well, never top.
>No advertisements ever.

>>17235173
They are insane.

Rented a Volvo in Sweden once it cam with R2's.

The only non-studded tire I've ever driven that genuinely could brake solidly on ice.

https://youtu.be/DM-wR8oVn3k

JINYU
EVERGREEN
IRONMAN
Chinese tires in general, avoid them like the fucking plague.

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>>17235173
They are what one would consider the best when it comes to ice and snow. In tests they are always found at the top, competing with Continental, Michelin and the other top-tier brands. Some years you'll have them place second on one category, other years first - but they are consistently the ones that perform the best, especially when they start getting worn down

You can get both studded tires and unstudded. The current best unstudded they have is the Hakkapelitta R2, although I have a feeling that they are gonna release the R3 next winter as the R2 and its design is getting a bit old & the competition is catching up

As for studded; Hakkapelitita 7, 8 or 9. The 7 is stating to get old, 8 is damned good and is the start of their new series where they focused on having more studs but making them lighter, and the 9 is their newest tire. Haven't seen any tests of it yet, but I expect they'll come next winter

Never run a tire that is meant to be studded withotu studs, as its designed to perform best with the studs. As for studding a studless... no point when there are so many studded options to go with. The only tires where this is wise are all-terrain/mud-terrains that one plans to use in the winter

>pic related; my Hakkapeliitta 8 SUV's

>>17231387
I had those on my Swift Sport, they lasted about a year on the front, around 10k miles.Very good while they lasted. Yokohama S-Drive are similarly priced and a bit more comfy than the Falkens.

>>17229117

>top 3 brands
Continental
Michelin
Dunlop

>avoid
Any chink shit really. And I don't mean the chink shit that has a sliver of QC, I mean the "what the fuck I'm only at 70kmh and the steering wheel shakes like a motherfucker" oval chink shit.