LITERALLY what is wrong with diesel?

>>17215973
>LITERALLY what is wrong with diesel?
its not gasoline

/o/ is full of bus riding bench riders that only care about 0-60 times and don't care about practicality

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>>17215973
cuckdiesels need to go and stay go.
you are driving a glorified lawnmower.
>friendly reminder diesels were built around the idea of getting shit done, not for stacy's cruising car

>>17215973
muh emissions

Omg diesel is loud, smelly and gross do you DD in a fucking cement truck? Then why is the car diesel? Are you fucking kiddin me? Take your slow as fuck diesel car and take it to a scrap yard to br fucking crushed into a cube,"nobody wants to fucking smell your shitty fucking diesel car exhaust or wait fucking 90 seconds for you to get up a fucking onramp.

Seriously you have to fucking ask, go kys.

>>17215973
Because they're actually shit, produce more emissions, and cause a shit amount of smog. Sorry, I like my clear blue Canadian skies.

>>17215973
When was the last time you went over 50 mph lol

Enjoy your vibrator on wheels faggot

misses has a diesel, gets over 1200km out of sub 40 litres. i love the way small diesel engines sound. and yeah, the torque is super nice.

>>17216066
>>17216087

>diesels
>slow

ummmmm actually it's 2017 sweetie and diesel cars have these little things called turbochargers on them. Guess the bus you ride on doesn't though :)

>>17216075
>what is adblue

>>17216087
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf5lLMCWWYc

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>5000lbs
>AWD
>Super luxobarge sedan
>As much torque as a Corvette
>40+ MPG
>24 gallon tank
>930 mile range
>diesel is cheaper than regular (at least in Canada), $60 to fill a tank

Why aren't you driving a diesel S Class?

>>17216111
most buses made in the last 25 years are turbo diesels.

>>17216135

Because the moment any of that stuff goes wrong, it's expensive to fix

>>17215973
Because maintenance on the engine and exhaust components are usually higher, like the glow plugs becoming faulty, and that you have to change out (or burn out) your exhaust filter frequently in order to prevent excessive oil consumption..

>>17216148
It uses the engine from a Sprinter, shit's pretty fucking solid and fixes for common problems are all well documented on Sprinter forums

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>>17216135
Isn't that cute.

>>17216166
>look at how shit my car is!

>>17216170
>his car is shit because he actually drives it, and doesn't get into pissing matches over whose mpgees are better

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>>17216111
>he thinks turbo diesels are recent

>>17216180
>actually drives it
>probably does stoplight races against Civics to feel good about himself

>>17216187
>not racing rice rockets
Why even live desu?

>>17216187
>a Hellcat racing civics to feel good about himself

>>17215973
They just can't pass emissions, something that the epa just don't fucking understand.

VW HAD to cheat on their emissions test because they wouldn't pass any other way. Everyone else cheats on their emission, but no one has figured out yet

>>17216120
Doesn't matter. Diesel cars are vastly less efficient than lab tests say they are.

>See Volkswagen

Also, I'd rather not have my country turn into a grey shit hole like Europe

>>17216219

Please leave, environMENTAL protection agency

>>17216248
VW didn't use AdBlue which is why their Nox emissions were so high

>>17216219
> they wouldn't pass any other way.

They had to cheat because US infrastructure isn't ready for new diesels that may require filling with DEF aka Diesel Exhaust Fluid to make EPA happy.

>>17216291
what planet are you on, dipshit?
commercial trucks running diesel motors have been using DEF since DEF became a thing. christ, most new diesel trucks have a DEF tank on board as well.
DEF has been a thing forever and america knows about it, VW just can't into diesel worth a shit.

>>17216276
That wouldn't make too much of a difference.

I really hate having to link the the verge since it's such a shit site, but read the article and follow the links. It's all there.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/15/15642456/diesel-vehicles-nitrogen-oxide-pollution-premature-deaths

>>17216313
>more stringent regulations

>this kills the freight industry

>>17216091
>> I bluthy derp eh wat kill-oh-mee-yeuhs wat hur der pruhsisly 1000 eilloderps per derpindishes wheech.

Fuck you metricfag europoor busriding faggot its obvious you'll never own a car in your life

>>17216324
I dontind large trucks and ships and all that using whatever they want, I just think Diesel is stupid for cars and SUVs. It's pointless, and does more damage than gas.

Fun fact: 20 of the world's cargo ships (those giant ass ones) pollute more than all the cars on the planet combined.

Having said that, I'd still rather not have smog in my skies

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>gas fags will never experience the triple turbo world
If it ain't diesel it ain't right

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>>17216353
>Only 3 turbos

Lel

>>17216353
>dat ATS purple
good shit

>>17216166
SRT8?

>>17216036

>Cummins
>PSD
>Duramax
>VAG

>No Perkins
>No Yanmar
>No Mitsubishi Heavy
>No John Deere
>No Cat
>No deutz
>No Kobuto

Do diesel fags even diesel?

>>17216502
Hellcat.

>>17216340
>>17216313
Fuck off you dirty hippie

>>17216306

DEF shit is the same reason why the Rotary engine couldn't be reliable. Mazda could have insisted that owners put 2 stroke oil in their gas or provided a separate reservoir for it, but that's too much effort for cuckmericans.

>>17216373
>snowflake motor setup
Triple turbo setup is not an uncommon thing in the world of diesels

>>17216575
Premixing reminds people of weed wackers, AdBlue is made by mercedes and has a nicer name

>>17216546
post dick in tailpipe or gtfo

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>>17216667
What good would that do? The tailpipes don't really look that different.

>>17216711
small peepee confirmed.

>>17216715
Well, I'm not gonna post my dick on a blue board and get b&.

>>17216711
lol I personally know the chucklefucks that build these things, I wouldn't even trust them to do an oil change

>>17216055
>CO2 is what contributes to global warming
>NOx is what contributes to muh alergies and muh lung cancer
I'll stick to diesel.

>>17215973
> what is wrong with diesel?

> 1. non stoichiometric
> 2. can't evaporate fast enough
> 3. Diesel-(whoever this french guy was) cycle is based on utterly retarded principles (see.1)
> 4. "mama look, no throttle plate"
> 5. low power density if naturally aspirated (see. 3)
> 6. needs more aftertreatment steps than most coal power plants
> 7. needs VGT to make any power (see. 5)
> 8. aftertreatment systems are expensive as fuck (see, 6)
> 9. urea/AdBlue is basically a hidden tax
> 10. cam switching is considered something new
> 11. huge amount of rattling in winter
> 12. rattling i general
> 13. $800 flywheel is a wear item
> 14. fuel injection system being an complicated and expensive mess, because of need for high injection pressures
> 15. more shifting because of lower redline
> 16. fanbase
> 17. cheapskate stigma in "some" countries
> 18. need for higher quality fuel (ULSD)

>>17216135
i suppose, that you're prepared to sell a kidney if something goes with injection system

>>17216353
>he needs 3 turbos to make more than 90HP/L
トップ 「KEK」

>>17216911
Triple turbo systems run around 1.2k hp depending on setup. So 6.6l or 6.7l is roughly 180hp/l kek

>>17216338
you're an idiot. metric is 100,000,000x better than imperial. even NASA agrees. so eat a dick fucktard. enjoy your dictatorship shit hole country. you rank 20th for personal liberties, not even inside the top 10. fucking disgusting.

source: google it you fucktard

Slow and the emissions are actual poison gas and not "oh no carbon dioxide is going to change the climate and kill off polar bears and dumb/poor people" (aka Americans)

>>17216943
Ask a republican who only considers the liberties of white people without mental illnesses or other deficits that might affect job prospects, like being a manlet, and were actually number one.

>>17216911
> 3. Diesel-(whoever this french guy was) cycle is based on utterly retarded principles (see.1)
> 5. low power density if naturally aspirated (see. 3)
> 7. needs VGT to make any power (see. 5)
Even 90s models had fuel efficiency better than small blocks with big block torque

> 6. needs more aftertreatment steps than most coal power plants
> 8. aftertreatment systems are expensive as fuck (see, 6)
> 9. urea/AdBlue is basically a hidden tax
> 13. $800 flywheel is a wear item
Buy a 90s mechanical diesel. No aftertreatment and a flywheel is $20.

> 15. more shifting because of lower redline
That depends on your transmissionand gearing, not your engine. The increased torque means you can run taller gears, reducing how often you need to shift. Additionally the power band being lower in the RPM range saves you shifts since to speed up quickly you can just floor it rather than having to downshift to get into the power band first.

>>17216911
ULSD is cheaper than regular gas in Canada

>>17216943
imperial is better than metric, I don't care what NASA thinks

>>17216943
NASA doesn't care what's better. NASA cares what's more universal.

>>17216911
> 1. non stoichiometric
wtf? Are you fucking retarded? Do you even know what stoichiometry means? Diesels can run leaner, that's all.
> 2. can't evaporate fast enough
So? My cum on your mom can't either and I can't say she complains about it.
> 3. Diesel-(whoever this french guy was) cycle is based on utterly retarded principles (see.1)
He was german. Pretty sure you're trolling.
> 4. "mama look, no throttle plate"
Some diesels have throttle plates, fuckwit.
> 5. low power density if naturally aspirated (see. 3)
So? It's not like your vtak makes any noticeable power to write home about.
> 6. needs more aftertreatment steps than most coal power plants
Gee. A DPF and a urea tank sure looks complicated. Fortunately Otto engines will have their version of a particulate filter in the near future, not to mention water injection.
> 7. needs VGT to make any power (see. 5)
Bullshit. Many modern diesels don't have VGTs.
> 8. aftertreatment systems are expensive as fuck (see, 6)
> 9. urea/AdBlue is basically a hidden tax
You're not supposed to ever replace a DPF. And a Bottle of urea doesn't seem like that expensive. Eat less chicken tendies and you'll have money to buy it.

>>17216911
> 10. cam switching is considered something new
Nobody gives a fuck about VVT. Not when the ECU can control the number of injections per cycle, depending on various parameters that do cover everything what VVT covers.
> 11. huge amount of rattling in winter
This isn't the 90s.
> 12. rattling i general
lol, no
> 13. $800 flywheel is a wear item
>>>$2500 engine is a wear item
> 14. fuel injection system being an complicated and expensive mess, because of need for high injection pressures
So?
> 15. more shifting because of lower redline
It's actually less shifting, because diesels actually have torque.
> 16. fanbase
You're the one to talk.
> 17. cheapskate stigma in "some" countries
Nobody in Europe thinks of diesels as the "cheapskate" alternative, since they are always a lot more expensive than the petrol equivalents.
> 18. need for higher quality fuel (ULSD)
Diesel is cheaper to produce and cheaper to retail.You're fucking retarded.

>>17216911
>4. "Mama look, no throttle plate"
Wrong, modern diesels have throttle bodies to help the engine be smoother during running and shutting down
>7. needs VGT to make any power
Again... Wrong, diesels make more power off a fixed turbo then a vgt. Vgt is mearly meant for helping the engine slow down during towing and helps it get up and go from a start but overall a fixed turbo design proves to have better power output.

>>17217045
Diesels can run way richer then gas. The power of compression based engines. 15:1 all the way up to 60:1. Gas runs 12:1 to 15:1

>>17215973
>slow
>sounds like shit
>can't rev
>can't make power
>needs a turbo to perform correctly
>modern diesels have awful reliability and cost a fucking ton of dosh
Among other things they also cucked our auto industry something motherfucking fierce and shut our development of sporty cars since the fucking '70s.
Diesel is shit and it's the reason why our cars were always more mediocre than we could've made them.

>>17217081
They can, but usually run leaner with way more air than a petrol.
That's why you see diesels coal rolling, because they're running a pure stoichiometric ratio but I guess you know that.

>>17216548
Fuck you. I aint no hippie. I hate electric cars.

I just don't see the point to Diesel in small cars

>>17215973
>1.6
>masculine

wew. Europe everybody.

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>>17216135
Lmao you fucking faggot the scale only goes back 15 minutes. You hypermiled at 60mph on the freeway for 15 minutes to get an impressive number and took a picture which you're now posting constantly

>>17216166
>half a tank left
>86 miles range

>>17217129
Better mileage and cheaper

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>>17217045
>>17217052
>>17217112
>mjet comes back after 6 months in the cuckshed
>immediately starts shilling for diesel with made up bullshit

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>>17216373
yeah but that car has never ran correctly, just sayin. The jet engine on the spoiler is neat tho

>>17217112
>"That's why you see diesels coal rolling, because they're running a pure stoichiometric ratio but I guess you know that."
Wrong.... Usually rolling coal because they have too much additional fuel and not enough air. Why I blow more black smoke on added fuel toon then a stock tune.

>>17217258
I doubt a person who buys a 700 horsepower land barge is particularly concerned with fuel mileage.

>>17216340

Fun fact; you and whatever clickbait you fell for are entirely full of shit.

Fucked if this doesn't get brought up every single time, the International Maritime Organisation places intercoastal freight contributing to less than ten percent of global CO2 emissions in 2011, and less than fifteen percent of Sulphur emissions as of the same year. Seeing as global fleet numbers have decreased and repowers with IMO Tier 3 platforms have increased, intercoastal freight does not account for anywhere near the emissions you think it does.

Fun fact; Once I'm done with a 9L58/64, ten Detroit / MTU Series 60 engines produce more CO and CO2 emissions at rated power. Ten standard semi trailer engines to every large bore medium speed plant.

Just how many trucks do you think are operating right now compared to large bore medium speed propulsion units?

>>17217081

60:1 is sixty parts air to one part fuel.

If you think sixty parts air to one part fuel is richer than, say, twelve parts air to one part fuel...


....you are a fucking gronk.

>>17217456
It's just weird seeing a luxobarge cruiser with 160 miles of range on a full tank

>>17217029
Fun fact: imperial is based on metric
Even your inch is defined as 2.54cm

>>17216157
That's simply not true

>>17218667

Or is 25.4mm defined as one inch?

Inchception.

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>2017
>diesel - slow
>what is M550d
>380hp
>0-60 same as e60 m5
>triple turbocharged. quad turbos in the new model.
yo waz hepening why you shittin on dem diezels

>>17215973
Diesel is the V8 of Europe, hur dur torques but no revs but with good economy.

>>17218749
the new M550d will have 400hp
with a remap 500hp will be easy
too bad diesel engines are heavy

>>17216135
A diesel S class would be perfect. I think all luxury barges should be diesels. MPGs and quiet rumble, and ample torque

That being said, diesels are slow as shit and heavy. They don't have a place in anything but a daily driver or truck.

>>17218776
>diesels
>slow as shit
Yeah sure

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>>17218749
>380hp
>triple turbo

Needing 3 turbo's for only 380bhp

>>17218785
>>17218785
They are, by design, much slower to rev

>>17218731
Americans*

>>17217045
>You're not supposed to ever replace a DPF
And yet loads of them need replacing, which costs £1000. In the early days people used to remove them and put a straight pipe in, then remap the car so you got better performance and fuel economy which cost less than a replacement DPF. Then the government decided to make it an MOT failure so you HAD to have a DPF in the car if it came with one.

Then you get all the other fun stuff like injector failure, high pressure fuel pump failure, premature wear on clutch / dual mass flywheel compared to a petrol car, EGR valves, turbos blowing etc. No one in their right mind would run a modern diesel car out of warranty. The days of rugged simplicity are long gone. And not to mention they are being banned in the centre of London which is likely to spread to other cities which will destroy the residual value of cars fucking owners over once again.

>>17217052
>> 12. rattling i general
>lol, no
Diesels rattle and vibrate noticeably more than a petrol equivalent.
>> 13. $800 flywheel is a wear item
>>>>$2500 engine is a wear item
>> 14. fuel injection system being an complicated and expensive mess, because of need for high injection pressures
>So?
So? So if any of that shit goes wrong, which it will, you are left with a massive bill which you wouldn't be facing on a petrol car.
>> 15. more shifting because of lower redline
>It's actually less shifting, because diesels actually have torque.
Not even close - diesels have a much narrower powerband so you shift a lot more.

You have never actually driven a diesel car have you? Is this the sort of fucking cretin that frequents this board these days?

>>17217129
What about bug cars?

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Its a diesel and not fuels efficient at all

>>17216291
back in 2010 less than 10% diesel tracks had SCR onboard in the USA, that thing is still catching up I believe

>>17218937
>25k redline
>diesel
Yeah nice try retard, fuck off

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My next car will be a Diesel

Skoda Octavia 1.6 TDI GreenLine
3.2 l/100km
~ 73 mpg

I once was a sat in the passenger seat of my boss' maserati ghibli diesel. It's quite good actually. Netherlands for anyone wondering, diesel is 1.20 something compared to gas being 1.50-1.70

I also met up with another /o/tist who has a golf GTD, also quite nice

Diesel is for hgvs and mining vehicles

>>17218942
Lol more like 1850 redline, if it goes to 2500 you need to start dodging connecting rods

>>17216075
after diesel exhaust treatment, there's actually less tailpipe particulate than on a gasoline engine.

>>17219129
This. Soon in Eurpooria new gas direct injection cars will be required to have particulate filters. The legislation is being made right now

>>17218829
>Diesels rattle and vibrate noticeably more than a petrol equivalent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHEHq2hYJgw| Can your petrol engine do this? I bet it can't.

The only good diesels were the Detroit Diesel two strokes, 8v92 anyone?

>>17215994
why so mean?

>>17215973

>1.6 TDi
>The fucking 1.6 TDi
>In a Golf

Even for european standards it's slow as fuck. Nice bait though, you got quite a few.

>>17215973
>1.6TDI

so it gets similar mileage and hp as my 1.5L N/A civic with the help of a turbo and a heavy iron block. why the fuck would I want a heavier, larger, more complicated engine again?

>drove a 85 M1009 CUCV for a family friend to get it home.
>DAT 6.2l
>slow as shit
>not the strongest, but got the job done on the trails.
>21mpg at 65mph on 44s...

I'd say diesel is ok in my book.

>>17215973
Must be why Volkswagen are paying billions in emission fines and why many cities are now starting to ban diesels. THEYRE SO GOOD!

>>17219794
Why is /o/ all of a sudden full of environmentfags?

>>17215973
>when the diesal version of my vehicle is a good 3 seconds slower 0-60

>>17219812
Diesel is supposed to be "environmental" and it's the exact opposite. Nobody gives a shit about the environment here, they just give a shit about dieselcucks ruining cars for no real benefit to anyone despite the vociferous promises they make.

>>17219824
But diesel is better for the environment than petrol, you dimwit.
CO2 is a greenhouse gas, NOx isn't.

>>17218789
>44mpg
LEL

>>17219302
No. They were thirsty, always leaked and if you fucked up a top tune (easy to do because old as fuck and nobody knows how to do them anymore) they would run away. Fuck that il be happy to never see one of those again.

>>17219947
Carbon dioxide is a life necessity...

>>17220004
So is water but you can die from water intoxication

>sounds like a fucking school bus
>4k rpm limiter, can't rev to 8k
>Engine is heavy as fuck
>smells like shit
>pollutes like shit
>slow unless 3 tarbos like m550d or whatever
>did I mention it sounds like shit?
>Full of glass components that cost a nut to repair.
>muh mpg, no funs per gallon

Vid related, a fucking v10 diesel KEK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQeuMsMDOKk

>>17220042
>TDI
Discarded
M57s are the best diesel engines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPi4DwboW7Q

My dad got a diesel passat, it's pretty nice. He mostly uses it for traveling too, and has a trailer hitch.

>>17220004
In the right quantity.

>>17220004
So is NOx. Look up nitrogen cycle.

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>>17216814

>>17218731
Why are you guys not?

>>17219674
Hemorrhoids
I'm kinda joking, but living in a place where pretty much every car is a diesel you get kinda used to it, and comparing the two I kinda consider petrol to be the best for your daily commuter (unless you drive long distances every day with optimal engine temperature)

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>>17218776
>They don't have a place in anything but a daily driver or truck.
oh, so you mean the reason 95% of people own a vehicle?

Diesel emissions are far worse than gasoline.

in the usa it is taxed more because mostly medium and heavy trucks use it.

cost compared to a gas hybrid.

modern diesels are not the simply mechanical and utterly reliable engines they once were.

>>17217252
More like let the car do the driving for me, you can cruise on the highway for hours on end and consistently get over 40MPG while driving through entire states because of how fuck huge the tank is

>>17218776
>>17218798
True, but you don't need wring out the engine when you make 450ft-lbs of torque at 1600rpm all the way to 4500rpm to move 5000lbs of pig fat

>>17216166
What's that symbol below the seatbelt light that looks like two foreskinned dicks ready to dock? I think your car's trying to tell you it's gay sex time.

>>17221264
Torque only gets you going. It does dick all on the highway or passing people unless you got a 9000 speed transmission. That torque might be impressive to a Euro but that's supercharged small block V8 torque here.

>>17221032
Why would I be sour? If I wanted one I could have gotten it for far cheaper than what you paid for it
It's just cheaper to supercharge a vette, better handling car too

>>17221775
I can pass people just fine, lightly nudge the throttle and you won't even notice hitting 100mph

>>17221775

1VD-FTV with a little tickling and a spray of water meth gets 3.6 tonne of Landcruiser up to 170Kph plenty fast enough.

>>17219982

>44mpg

>in vacuum

any turbocharged modern 4cylinder gas engine can do that, and with only one turbo.

>>17221928

So why then did it take an Atkinson cycle traction engine with a hybrid plant to reach 47mpg in the Honda Accord?

Why is there only a single 4 cylinder petrol engine on the Ward's 2017 list that achieved greater than 40mpg?

You are full of shit, cunt.

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my v70 gets shit mpg
i wish i had a diesel.

>>17221646

I'm pretty sure that's fog lights.

>>17221804
I'm not the guy who posted the original pic. Your post just has a very salty flavor to it.

>>17217112

> burning at stoich
> total consumption of all reactants
Yet
> billowing unburnt fuel in an oxygen deficient reaction

Hang yourself.

>>17221993
what year? that's pretty good

thinking about buying one

>ICE cucks arguing when they cant 0-60 in 2.28s

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>Musklets think that's impressive.
>while electric cars built in a shed are doing it in under 2.

Keep drinking that MuskAid.

>>17222784
lmfao a Dodge Demon would mop the floor of any in 0-100

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>>17215973
We'll see if you're still gonna be so smug when it comes to getting new DPFs, replacing the dual-mass flywheel and getting a new tarbo when yours starts fucking up.

>>17215973
It's like busting a nut at 17,500rpm. No diesel does this.

>>17222784
0-60 in 2.28s, 100%-0% in 15.5s

>>17222784
When your car lasts as long as you do in bed
http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-model-s-fails-lap-nurburgring-full-power-video/

>>17223243

The beauty of having a V8 diesel with a straight pipe, factory single mass flywheel and a reliable Garrett turbo.

Bliss.

>>17219297
Yes, yes it can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlsUrlm1rgc

>>17219743
Civic 1.5 46Mpg
Larger Octavia 88Mpg
Similar.

I don't like diesels because of the EXTREMELY high repair costs if anything goes wrong. I was gonig to purchase a newer diesel pickup but the fear of one day paying 10k to repair it is just insane.

>>17223874
What makes you think they are more expensive to repair?

>>17223877
Everything is more expensive on a diesel, this is common knowledge. To replace a HPFP (for the 6.7 powerstroke), most dealers will charge upwards of $15k for the work.

The entire 6.2 engine in my F150 is about 1/3 the price of that.

>>17223951
Wow septics get ripped off, but that's because you are talking a commercial vehicle they will always charge more for that than on a personal vehicle, repairs on a petrol pickup are more than on the same engine in a car. The HPFP on the Golf TDi is £740 and £760 on the Petrol.

>>17223764
>twice the number of cylinders to compete with 20y/o diesel engine

>>17224123
Lol ok
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPi8qjUTqh4&app=desktop

>>17224123
I don't have many spare engines with a flat top, but I do have one of those. And one of these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgp7w6a-8y4

>>17217601
>the International Maritime Organisation places intercoastal freight contributing to less than ten percent of global CO2 emissions in 2011
>the International Maritime Organisation places intercoastal freight
>International Maritime Organisation

gee fucking whiz.
thats like Fiat saying they build the most reliable car or feminists saying they stand for equal rights.

>>17218776
>what is smooth ride
kys
gasolene runs infinitely smoother thanks to lower compression ratios. best engine for fat capitalist pig cars is a gas v12 thanks to the perfectly balanced cylinder order.

>>17218982
heh
watch this
Honda Accord
1.5l gasolene/100km
fgt

>>17224170
188mpg I don't think so.

>>17224181
at 80km/h in 6th gear tucked in behind a semi

>>17224205
>Bottom
Still not going to happen.

>>17218699
Metric system is almost entirely defined based on water at SATP. Imperial was based on whatever the fuck the richest person around wanted it to be, and had no fixed definitions. Now they use metric because metric is fixed, so now by extension imperial is fixed.

It's an antiquated measurement system, and will be eliminated eventually. Only like 4 countries or something still use that shit officially.

Like measuring shotgun shells in "gauge". Look up what that is. It's neat, and props to old people for figuring out a reliable way to measure shit without much math, but it's a shit way to measure things.

>>17216575
Premixing burns oil which makes emissions worse, not better.
The fact the rotary has to burn oil in order to function is the reason it will never be used in another production car.

>>17218699
No the inch is defined from SI units, Metres are now defined from the speed of light and is 1579800.762042 wavelengths of helium-neon laser light in a vacuum. Making an inch 40126.9393558668 wavelengths.

>>17218982
My uncle has one, it doesn't do 73 but it can easily get 60 mpg.

>>17216575
>Mazda could have insisted that owners put 2 stroke oil in their gas or provided a separate reservoir for it,
They did. From day fucking one, the car drew oil from the main sump to be burned in the engine.

>>17224146

No, more like one of the few groups with the means to measure large scale emissions output stating the results of their measuring of large scale emissions output.

It's not a brag, in the eyes of the IMO less than fifteen percent total contribution is still far too much.

>>17216943
>(((NASA)))

>>17217036
Universal is better, otherwise you end up with exploding rockets

>>17216066
There's this thing called "DPF" now the car makes no smoke or smell

>>17216066
>Slow
BMW 550d
Porsche Panamera 4s diesel v8
I don't even need to go that far, even a 320d is faster than most of American cars.

>>17225168
I guess mustangs and camaros are very rare in america

>>17217036
What makes it better then??
They have the same point which is measuring, one is simpler and universal, the other one is retarded and just used by the USA, and some shithole in Africa.

>>17217112
They usually smoke a lot when they swap turbos or get a repro. If they run lean the engine will generate too much heat, so they make it run rich.
Something like a furnace.

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>more accessible than pickup beds
>more cargo space than pickup beds
>higher load rating than pickup beds unless you compare it to DRW trucks
>detaches when not needed to benefit fuel economy and parking
>no problem pulling thanks to diesel torque
>actually counteracts global warming because NOx cancels out COx
This somehow upsets the American in his oversized petrol powered tonka truck.

>>17218749
The new Panamera 4s diesel has a V8 with 422hp
Americans will never understand diesels, don't bother

>>17225299
Americucks find it hard to reverse with this thing. Ford added autosteering option for their new F150

>>17221993
I also had one, it's too hard to keep it over 20mpg, let's be real. It was one of the best cars I had, ignoring the fuel consumption

>>17222784
Get out of here, we were talking about cars.

>>17223243
good thing I live in a country where I just can throw away the DPF and call it a day

>>17223951
That's more expensive than a new engine. What the fuck?
For Diesel buy Japanese or European.

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This will trigger the americucks E39 525d

>>17225188
Implying the V6 and the new ecoboost are close to the BMW 320d performance
And that's implying that most aren't old ones

>>17224229
Not just emissions, you have to mill out a complex shape for the rotor housing, you have to coat the housing if you want it to last more than 5k miles. Then you have this giant area to seal. There's a permanent hot side of the housing. There's just too much shit going against the rotary.

>>17224229
Also premixing ruins the charge.

>>17225529
implying I am not talking about V8.

>>17225299

How can this have a higher payload when you are limited in the vertical axis?

Just how the fuck am I supposed to fit a pallet in there?

Somehow I think a tonne of besser blocks, if you could fit it in the car, will make that thing stress.

>>17226310

Ah right, you mean the trailer.

So what happens when I can load a one tonne pallet in the tray and then couple up another three tonne on the trailer?

>>17215973
I don't,petrol redlines at higher RPM's so is use them more

>>17225263

The diesel process can run infinitely lean with reduction in combustion temperature though not tolerant of rich mixtures which increases combustion temperature.

Start at the basics then work your way up from there. Spark ignition and the diesel process have some very different things happening in the combustion chamber.

>>17218749
Need 4 turbos to make the same effective bhp from NA petrol engine. Is a lot heavier, will break more often, fuck rpm higher than 4.5k, fuck your engine sound, senpai. And in couple of years you won't even be able to enter most major EU cities without paying a lot of money.
But muh fuel economy and muh torques.

>>17226458
Lower RPM means longer life you idiot

>>17226480
Yeah, that makes sense. Then why exactly are early 2000s Honda VTEC engines so reliable?

>>17226491
Because japs are into engineering unlike americoons

>>17216075
>muh environment


you anti diesel are the biggest faggots in this board

I never figured out why diesel never took off in the US, considering as it's better than gasoline in every way.
>better mileage
>cheaper to produce than gasoline
>easy to make your own
>inflammable
>torque for days
>engines last longer
>less harmful exhaust than gasoline engines if equipped with modern filtering tech

>>17225308
That makes 2 more HP than a NA truck engine. Europe pls. Our pickups that a 16 year old can legally drive are pushing four figure torque levels this year.

Europeans will never understand real torque.

>>17228201

With the fuel economy to boot, seeing as its an asthmatic truck engine.

>>17228159
Stigma from the shitty Cadillac diesels from how long ago and VW cheating recently

Americans have never driven proper modern diesels and only bitch about how complicated they are, you know like all modern engines

>>17228201
Those trucks don't make over 500ft-lbs of torque at under 1600rpm

>measuring lengths in feet and elbows
>2017

>>17228159
Big oil doesn't want to lose their sales, automakers are likely paid off to develope mostly gas powered cars. Thanks to the climate change memers, taxes and regulations on emissions are over powered. So basically it's easier to exploit the gasoline market for max profit.

>>17216248
>>17216276
efficient != emissions
They are quite efficient as evidenced by their high mpg numbers, bud.

>>17216711
nice car

>>17217004
I agree with a lot of what you say, but not the first part.
efficiency != power density
There seems to be a lot of difficulty understanding what efficiency is on this forum. An engine can be extremely efficient and still make very little power.

>>17217029
As a fellow American, I feel the need to inform you that you are an idiot.

>>17217045
lol @ point number 1. It's funny because it is you that clearly doesn't know what stoichiometric means. Diesels rarely run stoichiometric, whereas gasoline engines are usually stoiciometric, but slightly rich for WOT. You say "diesels can run leaner, that's all"... You realize lean == NOT stoichimetric, right? You redeemed yourself a bit with the rest of your points, though (except VVT which is useful, even in diesels, and the comment about less shifting... that is more dependent of gearing than anything else).

>>17217081
That's leaner, not richer, dummy.

>>17217112
Rolling coal -> unburned fuel (if fuel was all burned then ideally only water and CO2 come out of the exhaust pipe), so NOT STOICHIOMETRIC... rich. Geez /o/ take a basic high school chemistry class

>>17217157
underrated post

>>17218749
>>17226458
BMW is just retarded, they're slapping on 4 turbos to do the same thing Mercedes is doing with one

>>17216075

Go drive your electric cuckmobile

>>17216137

lol i was just thinking this

>>17215973
Diesels were all set to be fucking awesome with there better thermal efficiency, better fuel efficiency and low CO2 emissions.

But then someone got ashtma and forced dpf and scr which ruined any of the above benefits.

Now diesel has been serverly f'd in the a, the same will happen to gasoline.
Fuck gasoline engines are operating more like diesels these days with direct injection, stratified change fuelling and throttling with the valve train.
Just you wait, exhaust filters and scr are coming for gasoline in the next decade.

>>17215973
Because they're heavy and make all their power at low revs. Just because it "feels faster" doesn't make it actually faster.

>>17231164
People don't bench race in reality

>>17231228
They have lots of torque, but run out of steam almost immediately. There's a reason why super cars don't have diesel engines.

Disregarding fuel economy, diesel vehicles are only better at pulling shit and driving over boulders. End of.

>>17231298
And accelerating to highway speeds, which is something people do all the time

Stop being a retarded bench racer, that bus you're riding in is using a turbo diesel engine as well

>>17231298
>run out of steam almost immediately
This can be fixed with higher rail pressures and larger injectors. NOx emissions would be through the fucking roof though.

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>>17231343
... because its a work vehicle?

If diesels were great performers they would be in motorcycles or supercars. They are not.

Im not saying they can't be fun to drive or made to be quick, but they are not a performance go-to for a reason.

>>17231359
We're talking about cars people drive everyday not supercars and motorbikes you fucking dipshit

Keep moving those goal posts

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>>17231381
>MY NEW DIESEL CAR IS SO FAST
>no it's not
>RETARDED BENCH-RACER YOU KNOW NOTHING
>here are some facts and examples explaining why diesel cars are generally slower than petrol cars
>I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT KIND OF CAR STOP MOVING THE GOALPOSTS

>>17231514
>everyone here is one person
Fuck off you retarded bus rider

>>17231621
Excellent counter-arguments you're putting forward.

>>17231637
versus your non-arguments

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>>17216135
>>17217252
Hello again

>>17224161
Modern diesels are plenty smooth, stop driving VW shitboxes

>>17228201
>Europeans will never understand real torque

Yeah im sure you can feel all that torque through your downs syndrome autobox

All I have to do to feel the 400nm of torque my 2.2 D-4D Auris is let off the clutch a tad in first and feel the car shoot forward

>>17216135
40 MPG isn't that great for a diesel
My dad's Volvo does 50 to 60 MPG

>>17218667
Wrong

Imperial is very old and it's based on the human body
1 foor = the length of a human foot
1 inch = the short end of a human thumb

e.g. completely retarded and unusable

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>>17233109
You have to consider the nature of the vehicle in question, you'd be lucky to get 25mpg in a gas version of a car like this

>>17233109
Maybe if you're using britbong mpgs and are driving a little hatchback or a tin can from the 80s

>>17228877
>merc is doing the same with 1 turbo
The most powerful S or E class diesels have 258 hp, same as a 530d from 2010 lmao
BMW produces the fastest production diesels

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>>17222685
2005

>>17233216
It's for longevity. A tune brings those sprinter engines up to 450bhp and 600 ft-lbs of torque easily

>>17218749
>0-60 the same as a 12 year old sport sedan

wew lad

>>17233229
>a tune adds 200bhp
Wew lad

>>17233312
That 12 year old sport sedan also had a God damn V10 engine, it's still fast by today's standards

>>17216120
>believing marketing taglines of a known lying corporation
good goy

>>17215973
>Remind me why you fags hate diesel again?
Diesel engines in passenger cars never really took off for a few reasons:

-Emissions Regulations: The US has much more stringent emissions laws than most other countries. While the EU only measures CO^2 levels, the US also measures NOx which Diesel engines have a hard time with. This is why we the Diesel engines we do get in passenger cars are usually pretty small in displacement which generally translates into lower emissions that is easier to clean up. Obviously, the emissions levels for trucks is more lenient which is why they have much larger displacement engines.

- Diesel Fuel is Expensive: Diesel Fuel tends to run about 10-cents to 30-cents (or more) per gallon than "Regular" grade fuel. Obviously it depends on your local fuel prices, but you generally have to average at least +10mpg more than a gasoline engine just break even on fuel savings.

- Diesel Gelling: Diesel Fuel #2 starts gelling at cold temperatures because the wax starts thickening. Although it can vary, Diesel fuel can start gelling at temperatures as high as 15°F if there's no additives being used. For much of the Northern states in the US, single-digit or sub-zero temperatures are not uncommon during the winter.

>>17216353
I only see one turbo in that image.

>>17233362
You mean Mercedes? AdBlue is their tech and VW didn't use it

>>17233364
Why is diesel so expensive in the US? It's first cheap in Canada even though it's ultra low sulfur with additives to keep it flowing in -40C weather

>>17233364
>never really took off
it took off. majority of the cars on european roads are diesels

>>17216248
They will always run better than gas because they run off detonation.

>>17233388
>Why is diesel so expensive in the US?

It's a little complicated, but it starts in the early '80s when it was concluded that semi-trucks caused more damage on the paved roads than passenger cars -- these roads specifically being the federal highway system. In response, the federal government pushed a bill that would tax the use of heavy vehicles. When it was signed into law, it proved very unpopular inciting strikes and even cases of assault and murder. A couple years later, another bill would be signed cutting the tax on the use of heavy vehicles drastically, but also increasing the federal tax on diesel fuel which happened to be the fuel of choice for semi-trucks and so sparsely used by passenger cars that it wouldn't really matter. Where before the bill gasoline and diesel were taxed the same, the new bill increased the federal tax on diesel by 5¢/gal marking the time that diesel officially became more expensive than gasoline in the US.

As time went on, people got used to the idea of diesel being more expensive because it was used by the big semi-trucks hauling heavy loads and the price gap started to widen. According to AAA, the current national average price of diesel is about 15¢/gal more than regular grade fuel. Considering that only 6¢ of that is part of the Federal tax on diesel, the other 9¢ is just inflation because "reasons."

Source:
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-diesel-costs-more-than-gasoline-2013-10
http://gasprices.aaa.com/

>>17235564
It's always wonderful to see government there for the people...

>>17235564
And yet chunks of concrete are still flying off the roads and smashing into people's windshields