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[ D a i l y M e m e B i k e T h r e a d ] - /dbt/

>Motorcycle Questions & Answers
>GS500 Pictures and Webms
>Yellow bikes are the fastest edition
>Making fun of R3's
>SV650 Pictures and Webms
>Making Suzuki and Anime Great Again

Some meme info for beginners:
>>16832611 → #

Meme webms with wind noise:
>>>/wsg/1631495 #

Find and autist near you:
>https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/edit?mid=1YwqbzbdRjMAItdOZPktcND3Nr98

Last weeks episode:
>>17170746 → #
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>>17173615

First for Honda a okay.
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Cb400sf girl is super cute. I think I might be falling in love with a cartoon character.
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>>17173615
you post worst girl

best girl passing by
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Is there supposed to be something on the end of that axle? Or wtf are the holes for?

Just about to start working on my fork seals and noticed this.
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>>17173630
Frizzy is best girl though
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>>17173636
wrong see >>17173632
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Thinking about getting a 2015 Brutale dragster. It's a bit cheaper then a monster 1200s and looks better as well. Cons are I'm not sure about the brand and how stable they are as they were recently purchased, and instead of going an hour and a half away for service it would be about 2 hours across the border into Canada. Should I just get the bigger 1200s or will the brutale be enough of a jump in power from my 796?
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>>17173633

Im 60% sure the holes are supposed to have a safety pin through them.
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>>17173633

cotter pin
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>>17173636
She's like the Nico Nico Nee girl from that idolmaster show. An annoying meme loli.

>>17173633
You're missing a cotter pin. No big deal. I just throw them away anyways.
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>>17173650
All anime is basically a meme anyways though
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>>17173653
But not all memes are annoying pedobait.
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>>17173645
>>17173646
Figured so. Thank you for confirming my suspisions, fellas.
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>>17173658
found the gayboi
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>Yellow bikes are the fastest edition

My kind of edition!
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>>17173633
it is clamped on by that pinch bold on the bottom. Nothing to worry about.
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>>17173661
Would never purchase a naked bike without a single swingarm.
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>>17173676
Pigfat fashion accessory
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>>17173682
How do you figure?
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Been out of sight for a while, since when we've become /DMBT/?
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>>17173688
circled the issue 4u
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>>17173676
But you can have two fz09s for the price of one monster

They do look sex though
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>>17173676
Enjoy your ball beiring change every 30000km.
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>>17173698
You seem mad. Absolutely great starter bike that looks amazing. The compliments riding and how many people asking me if I'm selling is a bit overwhelming. Sorry about your shit taste.
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So I'm new to a bike with carbs.
I was riding like a week ago when it was decently cold and it ran weird. I did let it sit for a min and warm up fore I rode it.
Yesterday, when it was a good bit warmer, it didn't seem to have the same issues.
Idk why but I was under the impression that colder air was better, or is there something I'm just not seeing or understanding.
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>>17173705
>passenger pegs
>no passenger seat
Is the passenger expected to stand or sit on the fender?

>>17173676
but most people aren't autistic so a normal swingarm is a non-issue
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>>17173718
Carbs get funny when its really cold.
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>>17173719
Just 69 dat bitch mang
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>>17173705
I was originally looking at the fz-7 and fz-9 but I got a great deal on it. 5k for a bone stock '12 with 3700 miles on it was something I couldn't pass up. It's just unfortunate because I'm in love with single swing arms now and refuse to get anything else.
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>>17173716
Expensive to maintain though
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>>17173721
Thanks, good to know.
It was only like 35F out though.
And I haven't had a car with carbs since I was like 17 and I don't really remember having a similar issue.
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>>17173706
Said no one ever.
>>17173728
Luckily I managed to find a guy that specializes in Ducati an hour away and has a really nice shop. I've put 8k on it and the only think I've had done was the valves it was about 220. He is open on Saturdays so you can just hang around talk with him as we works on it. The dealership was going to charge me about 800 for the valves so it's a good thing I found him. He let me take out the Zero Sr on a demo run all day in buffalo while he worked on it.
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>>17173728
Just learn how to adjust your own valves
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>>17173645
>>17173646
>>17173650
What does the pin do? I had my axle off the other week and realise it slides out from the side with the holes. I used them to jam a screwdriver in and pull it out
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>>17173632
Hillary Clinton is definitely not best girl
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Rate my heavy lift gear
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>>17173741
He's looking to fug m8
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r8 my boi racer /dbt/
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>>17173786
meme/10
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>>17173803
gay af as fuck/10
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>weather forecast: rainy, cold, shitty
>its been like 3 weeks since last ride
>the one good day within the last month I was on a boat cruise
When will this madness end? It's almost mid-may, I'm supposed to run around in t-shirts by now, not wearing a jacket at 2degree and rain

Btw is kkk ded or what was his crash like?
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>>17173835
Dont mention someone unless you want them to show up
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>>17173798
His wife is pretty hot though so I doubt it.
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What's a good bike for a 6'5" mustard race that isn't a BMW?

>>17173632
Pleb
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>>17173876
Africatwin / transalp might work for you.

6'5" is indeed mustard race, my tall brother.
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>>17173876
>Save image as...
>Best_Girl_Best_Tits.jpeg
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>>17173835
Not sure. Shit's flooding here hardcore, half the roads and bridges are closed around me, and there's nothing but (admittedly light) rain at 40degreesF in the 14 day forecast.
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Hey fellas, just getting into bikes this year, starting with an '09 KLX 250. Been riding for a while but only recently got my license for commuting.

How common is it for bikes to not have self-cancelling turn signals?
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>>17173931
afaik p. much none of them have them stock except harleys and aprilia
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WHY IS THE FUCKING WEATHER SO FUCKED IN MASSACHUSETTS WHAT THE FUCK ITS MAY
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>>17173931

I've yet to see a bike that has auto cancelling turn signals.
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Got a 600 mile drive to work.

Do I feel like taking my bike or car?
Debating while I eat breakfast
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>>17173615
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>>17173931
Very common, self cancelling signals are almost always aftermarket modifications.
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>>17173658
She's older than the average poster on /o/ though?
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>>17173936
>>17173950
>>17173957
My BMW K75 has them stock.
It's pretty comfy.
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>>17173960

That's pretty neat.
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>>17173958
But she's drawn in a way that resembles an adolescent girl. There's no denying anime is pedobait.
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>>17173962
She is an adolescent girl, and that isn't pedobait

Though your memeing posts are the regular garden variety bait
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>>17173951
>600miles
>by bike
I hope you don't have to work the same day and the day after
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>>17174001
Be on hitch for 3 weeks and cone home after
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if i ever meet a pretty schoolgirl with a tight body that rides motorcycles, knows how to wrench and likes to quote Toecutter i will marry her.

until then im waiting.
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>>17173650
>loli
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>>17174024
So you'll never marry then?
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>>17174129
there's a pretty high possibility for that yes.
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>>17174145
1 in 1 high
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>Most maneuverable bike for around town hooning
Aaaan go...!
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Hey guys, what does this mean?
>thumper
>last change less than 1k miles ago with filter too.
>valvoline regular 10w 40
>window says oil level went down??
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>>17174219
any midsize naked with 40hp or more
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when will KTM be on bakuon
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>>17174260
looks like a new engine is in your horizon
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Literally best girl in every possible way
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>>17173615
I love suzuki bikes. they have components that just work, like in the sv650 and DRZ400. they dont have the best or the newest technology, but they are reliable, cheap and east to work on. although i bought a Duke instead of a 650 or the DRZ
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>>17174260
your engine uses oil duh.

Piston rings mite b worn.
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>>17174292
>max output 151 hp

Japs still only getting the gutted version of what they are manufacturing i see.
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>>17174292 by best girls
Suzuki>Yamaha>Honda>Ducati
Kawasaki==stig
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>>17174260
Is pic related? That creamy oil has water/coolant in it, probably a blown head gasket. The dropping level doesn't make much sense with that, unless it has done enough damage to the rings that you are burning oil faster than coolant in getting into the crankcase.
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>>17173803

Those tires look too new, why don't you ride anon?
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>>17173615
season 2 when?
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>>17174310
Stig is best girl
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>>17173931

It's pretty rare for a bike to have self cancelling signals.

In fact, I just got my first bike that had them and it thoroughly confused me at first. I kept going to turn my signal off and it was already off. I thought maybe something was broken until I actually watched it cancel coming out of a corner.

1982 GL1100 is like the Lincoln Continental of motorcycles.
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>>17174345
this 2bh
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>>17173951

Depends. What's the weather going to be like, how many days do you have to make the drive, and do you have a motorcycle cover or a covered place to store it while you're there?
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>>17174219

Some variety of supermoto.
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>>17174300

All the things you just said you love about Suzuki are 100% applicable to Honda as well.
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>>17174375
>sv650 and DRZ400
>Honda
?????????????????????????????????????
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>been riding streetbikes for 6 years now
>in those 6 years I've accidently activated the kickstand killswitch maybe twice
>done it nearly every time I've sat on the bike this year
Am I turning into some kind of retard? Does anyone else do this?
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>>17174219
Dualsport
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>>17174375
one could make the case that suzuki does have performance
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>>17174386

>they dont have the best or the newest technology
>but they are reliable, cheap and east to work on

reading comprehension????????????????????????
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>>17174375
except with 1.5x the price and less intresting bikes
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>>17174396

You mean you're putting your kickstand down when parking before shifting the bike into neutral, or you're literally bumping the kickstand down far enough while riding to activate the kill?

If it's the first, stop being a dipshit and develop your routine better. If it's the second, I really have no idea what's wrong with you.
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>>17174409
even though the hayabusa isnt the most agile bike. its still a legend
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>>17174436
Not him. but im so use to leaving my kickstand down when i rode on a scoot. kick stand down, open gate, get on ride bike in, close gate, get on ride and flip kickstand while moving
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>>17174301
>>17174314
I did a big bore install with fresh new piston and rings.
Could it be engine break-in?

>>17174318
Just recently got them.
Currently trying to jet a new carb, so the bike is in and out the shoppe a few times for wrenching.
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>>17173630
post pics of her
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Today was 36C, even the wind was fucking hot
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>>17174436
No I mean I'm shifting into 1st before kicking it up when starting out, it's the weirdest thing, I've had the routine down for years and now I'm just not doing it right.
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>>17174521
not him
It's happens to me sometimes but only when I leave my house, because there is gate. and I'm going out in neutral.
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>>17174434

Honda has enough groundbreaking and legendary bikes in their pedigree that if you think they're boring you're pretty much exposing yourself as a child.

The CB750, GL1000, Africa Twin, Magna, etc were all groundbreaking in their day. The XR650R has a list of race wins that simply can't be ignored. They have a long list of designs that were real departures from the norm at the time of their introduction and have since become status quo.

You can think they're boring if you want, or that the current lineup doesn't stand out, but unless you're a MotoGP cosplayer you literally can't ignore Hondas pedigree. You can't beat Honda for buying old used bikes. New? I don't know, I'm not interested in brand new bikes.
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>Finally learned how to use a center stand properly.
>Can't believe how easy it is.

Pretty embarrassing tbqh now all the times I struggled for minutes trying to get the bike up on the center stand incorrectly before usually giving up.

I'm 5'10 150lbs and with the right technique I can put a 550lb bike on the center stand like nothing.
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>>17174496
Not familiar with some of the terminology here (big bore install)? Some sort of re-boring operation? Some google-fu showed some examples where the entire cylinder is replaced, but that seems like more of a air-cooled thing. To clarify, is this an air cooled or liquid cooled engine? Did you have the cylinder over-bored, or was the entire cylinder replaced?

If it is air cooled, that oil is really scary. Oil can look like that if there is a shit ton of suspended metal particles, but I can't believe it would look that bad and still be running.

If this is liquid cooled, the most likely culprit is a bad head gasket (or cylinder->crankcase seal if this was a removable cylinder). If you had it over-bored, it is possible that the cylinder wall thickness was too thin and a water channel has been penetrated, but I would expect any competent machinist to have checked the specs.
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>>17173633
Mechanic here. Those are for inserting a T-bar (or a round shank screwdriver which is more commonly used because handle) to withdraw the axle after removing the axle nut on the opposite side.

You and every other motorcyclist needs a (preferably factory) service manual or manual set even if you don't do your own maintenance. Totally worth it for knowledge and reference and if you take it to an independent shop none of which have books for everything.
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>>17173646
Those are NOT fucking COTTER PIN HOLES!

Cotter pins/keys are to restrain a nut on a threaded fastener when used on wheels. That fucking axles is not threaded nor are any parts missing.
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>>17174518
That sucks m8, highest around here in south florida has been low 30s
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>>17173730
Many carbed engines run better in cold weather because greater density. It varies by motorcycle and specific state of tune.
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>>17174549
i dont know. honestly but the only bikee that i have an appeal for are the africa twin, cbr400superfour and the intercepter. if i could i would of bought a super four
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>>17174496

Looks to me like suspended particles.

If you just did a new piston and rings, etc, I would say it's a good likelihood that's all from engine break in. You should change your oil after putting a new motor together after the first few hours the first time, about 1/4-1/2 a normal interval the second time, and after that back to normal intervals.

All all the parts wear on each other a little particulate is expected.

Change your oil, put it back together, and ride it for a while. If all seems well, check your oil for suspended particles again.
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>>17173754
>I had my axle off the other week and realise it slides out from the side with the holes. I used them to jam a screwdriver in and pull it out

You used it correctly. No pin lives there.
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>>17174521

Did that the other day on my new bike only to realize it doesn't have a kickstand kill. I found out I left the stand down when I made a mild left turn and it caught asphalt and flipped itself up.

Pretty embarrassing.
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>>17173786
Cunning. I wouldn't use it on a customer bike but I wouldn't care about a fin or two on my own. I'd blend any I snapped with a grinder.
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>>17174549
>honda used to be good
>so you're a child for saying they're now boring
they're getting lapped by both their fellow japs and the yuros
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>>17174620

And how many times a year do you go to track day, mate?
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>>17174624
/365/24/7 do you even ride and post senpai
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>google concept motorcycles
>basically only brings up ludicrous unofficial third party renders
So /debt/, why do motorcycle manfacturers present concepts so seldomly? Why is everything already nearing production when it's presented? What are some good online resources on official concept motorcycles?
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>>17174651

>itt:
>bench racers
>nobikes
>250 riders with delusions of grandeur

Business as usual I suppose.
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>>17174260
I would visit my local auto store and buy some UV dye to add to the coolant. They have cheap black lights too. UV dye is love. I inspect at night for best results.

Did bike sit outdoors in nasty weather for a long time?
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>>17174660
i mean
i just would like to see some more experimentation from such a yuge company
but hey, have my 750
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>>17174658

Because there's no fucking point.

Concept vehicles are stupid and useful only as a marketing resource or design study. In the case of the second, there's no reason to publicize it anyway if you're planning on taking some of the tech to market, because people will just be comparing the sold bike with the concept and how much cooler / better the concept was. Lamenting endlessly over specs of an impractical machine that was never intended to be sold.

It's a stupid thing that I hope never becomes as prevalent in the cycling world as it is in the four wheeled automotive industry.
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>>17174658
Production cars are significantly limited by practical needs so manufacturers make batshit off the wall concepts to grab people's attention. Bikes are less limited so the production or near production models are batshit enough to grab people's attention by themselves. Why make a weird concept when pic related is the fucking frame of a 1299
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hey niggs rate my new shit bike
pls be gentle
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>>17174660
here this is me riding on my 250cc
https://youtu.be/GKDN3okg4ko
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>>17174686
DANK
A
N
K

but damn son that looks fucking rough, what did you pay for it?
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>>17174686
Fugly
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>>17174692

1k, buyed to restore the shit out of this bad girl
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>>17174686
that is a very nice

what exhaust is this?
and please get a new front fender
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>>17174686
Looks like a good project bike, I hope you post some of your progress
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>>17174709

Dont disrespect my baiku

>>17174715

Generic exhaust, will put something better.
Yeah, just ordered the new kit.

>>17174724
i will senpai
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>>17174670

Shiver 750 is a neat bike. Considered buying one, but the dealer network, parts availability, and numerous reliability concerns on every forum I found paired with just being overpriced compared to comparable bikes stopped me from buying one.

Euro brands are a crap deal in the US unless you are queer for the aesthetics and have too much disposable income.

Again, though. How many times a year do you go to the track? Because you literally can't ride a bike to potential on the road unless you're being illegally reckless.
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>>17174686

Lots of potential there. Look forward to seeing the progress.
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>>17174686
rape dungeon photography/10

>tfw I kind of want a beater 600 dual sport as my next bike
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>>17174733
p guidde
from what year?
when you find nice aftermarket stuff tell me, because I ahve a TT 600
here's my bike with my gf
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should i get a 50cc or a 125cc pit bike
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>>17174791
Turbobusa
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>>17174780
1990
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>>17174791
85cc two smoke
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>>17174776

Do it anon.

Regardless of what other bikes you have in the garage, it's always worth having a 600-650 dual sport around. Perfect for flogging over curbs, through city rainwater runoff canals, and if you take it outside of town you can pretty much just cut off the road wherever you damn well please to explore (with the right tires).

Weather this morning said high chance of severe thunderstorms, the sky was filled with ominous clouds, and the roads were wet. Didn't want to ride my road bike, could have driven my shitbox. Instead I rolled the XR650L out of the garage and grabbed a bike cover and rain jacket. There's no motorcycle I've ever owned that I'm more comfortable riding in the pouring rain on.

Haven't had a chance to try my new Conti TKC80s out on flooded streets yet, either.
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>>17174438
its not just that, the Gixxer is a legend as well and always keeps up with the Kawasaki and Yamaha supersports.

Honda meanwhile...
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>>17174791
You should get pitzilla
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>>17174798

>>17174807
is the ktm one good?
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>>17174821
wtf is this shit!!!
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>>17174816
Sport bikes aren't the only measure for manufacturers, you know.
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Think it's wise to put a sticker on a clutch cover? Need to cover my shame...
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>>17174835
did anybody say that?
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>>17174836
get a new cover.

dont put stickers on warm engine parts.
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>>17174828
Some serious goon shit friend
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>>17174842

Sure seems like that's the only thing you guys are using to form your opinions on manufacturers, is the performance of their sports and supersports.

It's no different than the threads full of 12 year olds arguing about supercars.
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>>17174396
If you didn't actually touch the stand, those switches often fuck up. I remove and jump the wires (properly) because I don't care for them.
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i like the subtle "your bike shit" very gracious on your part

no, i do not have the privilege to be able to habitually do track days
so far i've only taken part to a ducati demo day and i admit i did not push my bike anywhere to the limit

BUT

i can assure you i know full well what my bikes capabilities are
i try at least weekly to keep myself trained either by finding an empty lot where i can conefag or exploring the local twisties

it's fairly easy to explore your bikes limits
i for example can tell you that my suspension needs replacing badly

jt doesn't take no track virtuoso to see honda has been fucking about for a long time
their latest "innovashun" is a somehow worse aprilia mana...

they used to do cool shit, retarded shit, fast shit
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>>17174353
Nice weather and one day. There's a parking lot by the pier. So it would be there until I left

Who takes over a day to go 600 miles?
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>>17174802
`where you from?
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>be lane splitting
>get in front of audi
>he proceeds to drive dangerously close up my ass

lol every time, I'm starting to think Audi drivers are cucks. Why do they get so assmad when I filter? BMW drivers are bad as well, not quite as bad as Audis. Audi drivers should just get cancer.
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https://touch.bismanonline.com/honda_sabre_vf700

Y'all think 1500 is fair if he delivers it? Its not in the best shape so I think so.
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>>17174886
no the discussion went from comparing Honda and Suzuki to Suzuki being the one with the performance bikes.
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>>17174941
Well, I can give Suzuki that, but Honda are the ones with everything else.
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>>17174938
>honda
lmao would take it if he pays me 1500 to take it from him
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>>17174938
definitely NOT!

you can do better even for 1500
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>>17174949
Of course you would.
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>>17174948
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>>17174954
1000? The market up here sucks I just want something cheap to work on.
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>>17174948
>everything else
like what exactly?
>yamaha has the reliability
>kawasaki has the a e s t h e t i c and the unbelievably fast halo
>bmw has the adv
>honda nakeds are laughable
.
.
.
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>>17174918
uhh... brezil?
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>>17174969
>Yamaha has the reliability
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>my race gloves were in logan
>my city gloves are in guardians 2
no longer just a coincidence
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>>17174991

You should ask those dicks for your gloves back.
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>>17174983
as a whole yamaha ranks higher, while suzuki's entire sportbile lineup is notorious for being able to withstand much more than their counterparts
>cue ghost_rider_k5.jpg
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>>17174908

I didn't say your bike was shit, I said it had above average maintenance and repair demands with a shit support network in the US.

Knowing what your bikes capabilities are is as meaningless as knowing your cars nurburging time in the hands of a professional racer.

With bikes, so, so much of the potential depends on the rider that comparing specs is effectively meaningless unless you're an expert rider. Salty old pros on old goldwings and standards will dust faggot boy racers on sport bikes every fucking time. Put a rider of equal skill on the sport bike and of course it's a different story. I would say 95-99% of riders never come anywhere close to maxing out the potential of their bike. They ride it to 60-70% of its capability and get it going fast in straight lines and gentle curves and think they need a faster bike.

Granted, you're right that Honda Powersports has been kind of dormant with "game changers" recently. I'd love to see them doing some more off the wall stuff, cramming supersport engines into cruisers or whatever other nonsense. The interesting or innovative stuff they've come out with recently is either nostalgic or clearly targeted at newer riders and casuals.

That said, that's arguably the most important market segment. Bikes that are accessible and interesting to new riders sell more interesting, faster bikes to the same riders a couple years down the road.

It's stupid to judge a motorcycle manufacturer based on their current lineup alone though.
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>>17175007
withstand what exactly?
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>>17174913

600 miles is just a long ride on a bike in a single day. It's piss easy in a car, but depending on what kind of bike you're riding you might be in for a really uncomfortable time past 200.

If you'll be comfortable enough and you've got a cover / lock for your bike I'd say do it.
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>>17174815
for sure. Kind of on the fence about how much dirt bias I should have though. I want to ride dirt to get better at street (and maybe at mountain biking, who knows eh), but IDK how much streetability I'm willing to give up. If "a lot", maybe a 250 or a 400 instead. Just gotta schedule some test rides I guess.
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>>17175015
His fat ass.
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>>17174938

Bike looks pretty rough for that price.

I recently picked up a CB750SC that only needed a carb tube and clean, and was cosmetically perfect for $1800. I probably overpaid, too.
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>>17174969

Honda bikes are undeniably reliable. Over the last 3 decades they've had a couple of engineering oopsies, but show me a company that hasn't.

a e s t h e t i c is purely subjective.

The Africa Twin is by far the most off road capable of the current market adv bikes.
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>>17175049
suzuki, SYM
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Picked up my bike yesterday, drove it to work for the first time today. Got it used with ~12k miles on it. What is the recommended maintence to do on a bike? Especially one you pick up used with no maintence records.

I'm pretty mechanically inclined and can wrench on cars pretty well.
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>>17175045
Last time I went for a ride I saw 3 Duke 390s and all of them were ridden by girls. Was pretty funny.
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>>17175014
i see you still have not posted your bike, while us two have happily answered to your accusations

your entire post is
>you and sportbike riders are somehow all shit, cause i say so
>btw you guys were right, honda is indeed churning out polished turds

if i were you i'd politely shut up

>>17175015
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>The reliability ratings are based on failure rates for 4-year-old bikes:
>1. Yamaha (11 percent failure rate)
>2. Honda (12 percent)
>2. Suzuki (12 percent)
>4. Kawasaki (15 percent)
>5. Victory (17 percent)
>6. Harley-Davidson (26 percent)
>7. Triumph (29 percent)
>8. Ducati (33 percent)
>9. BMW (40 percent)
>10. Can-Am (42 percent)

tl;dr Japanese brands are all good, stop fighting and start laughing about Ducrapi and Bayerische Motoren Worst
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>>17175058
change fluids, check chain for sag and stiff links, check brake pads.

make sure everythings tight and thats pretty much it.
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>>17175058
tfw a ~300cc bike goes 120mph and my ~400cc only goes 100mph
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>>17175020
I've done way over 600 miles in a day. It's not hard. A bit stressful depending on traffic and weather though.

And lol at a bike lock. No need for one
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>>17175058
Oil change, coolant flush, check chain, check wheel and steering head bearings. Maybe tires, tread looks a little thin.
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>>17175061
Were they cute :3?
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>>17175061
I have seen a cafe eastern European that use to ride a 390 unitl he got the 690. he said that an exhaust really brings the bike alive at 4k rpm and up
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>>17175080
I think you might be replying to the wrong person. My bike is 649cc
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>>17175022

Honestly you should just have a minimum of two bikes if you want to do a variety of riding. They're cheap enough that you can do it pretty easily. I know it costs me about ~$90/year per bike to insure for liability only and ~$50/year per bike for registration. Cost of purchase and maintenance is all on your riding habits and what you buy.

I had just the XR for about 5 years, and did everything on it. 5000 mile tours, 250 night time interstate rides, pure off road flogging, urban hooliganism, etc. Lots of fun on the road, even for being a very "off road biased" dual sport. Off road took a little getting used to the size and weight coming from smaller two strokes, but once I got used to the bike there's nowhere it wouldn't go with the right tires. More tiring than a smaller bike in really technical terrain, but I'm not a big guy and I don't have any problems.
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>>17175076
Got a link for this stat?
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>>17175122
consumer reports
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>>17175072

Your reading comprehension is so shit that you aren't even worth engaging with.
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>>17174292
I want a vmax but I know I'd die on a 200hp bike.
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>>17175136

The bike only puts out as much power as you tell it to anon.

Wrist control.
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So is this a scam or what

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/6124017859.html
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All the mad faggots in this thread that can't just enjoy riding without dick waving about the imaginary races they would win.

Be honest, how many of you don't even work on your own bikes?
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>>17175156
>complain about dick waving
>look at my dick
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>>17175128
again no bike posted, i see
but keep on going with your baseless accusations
we both know i am right and, most importantly, you're wrong
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>>17174518
Todays highest was 7°c and it snowed. I fucking hate Finland.

Good thing I had other stuff to do aside from riding.
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>>17175168

Please anon, explain to me which variety of dick waving I committed. Help me keep my dick hanging motionless among the wind and noise.
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>>17175190
Removing wheels does not make a hover bike.
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>>17175205
larping as a mechanic is just as bad as larping as rossi
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>>17175141
True that my friend. I'm afraid I'd put too much wrist in a curve and break the back tire loose.
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>>17175156
That a nighthawk in the back?
Opinions on them?
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>work at BMW/Ducati dealer
>can get any bike for cost minus 15%

What get? Leaning towards the Hyper SP
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>>17175257
>cost minus 15%
What? You get the bike for cheaper than what the dealer pays?
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>>17175146
of course, but you could find out what kind of scam it is by contacting the seller
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Any objections to me creating a zeemap for the thread instead of the google shit?

Every other general manages with a zeemap that people can add themselves too with a little moderation.
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>>17175226

That's why when you get a new bike you spend the first few months very gradually, gently, and carefully learning how it responds to things. Grow with the bike.

People new to the bike they're riding are nearly as elevated a risk category as new riders in general.
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>>17175257
you mean cost plus 15%?
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>>17175264
Literally yes. They want us on their bikes.

>>17175274
No I do not.
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>>17175257
S1000xr
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>>17175257
you'd still be better off buying a quality bike from a decent manufacturer
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>>17175224

Sure, I'm with you there.

If you can't disassemble and reassemble everything on your bike with the exception of the motor / transmission though you're kind of an embarrassment.

Bikes are piss easy.
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>>17175270
Yes, this map has been going for years and no one cares about your shitty new map, people have tried before but that's the /dbt/ map, deal with it.
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>>17175294
Or some of us are not poor and just pay people to do it
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>>17175326
Seriously though. I get getting your car serviced because nothing on cars makes sense and working on cars is an absolute pain in the ass, but bikes are easily accessible and only contain exactly as many parts as are necessary for their operation.
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>>17175347
I'm sorry you're an idiot
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>>17175141
This

Some people still think the bike decides what speed you go
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>>17175360
I'm happy for you if you're a masochist.
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>>17175366
Sure thing poorkid
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>>17175299
you are a very rude woman
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>>17175257
>>work at BMW/Ducati dealer
>>can get any bike for cost minus 15%

BMW and Ducati's are overpriced by at least 30% so you're still getting fucked over plus the fact they are stiill not on Jap build quality level
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>>17175281
Goes like stink but it's a boring bike for commuters. Took it for a weekend and got bored the first day.

>>17175291
If any "decent manufacturer" made a competitor to the Hypermotard then I would.
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>>17175385
Sad face. Looked cool in resident evil lol.

Have you tested the new R nine T urban gs?
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>>17175385
>what is the dorsoduro 750/1200
i know we're shitting on aprilia since there are 3 now, but last year every other thread was a "dorso a best" thread
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>>17175270

Dafuq, I was on the map and now I'm not?
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>>17173775
HOLY SHIT MY SIDES
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>>17175257
Go full retard and buy a Panigale R.
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>>17174573
>>17174604
Thanks guys.
I just wanted to know how bad the oil really was.

Yes, I upgraded the cylinder size. My particular upgrade is popular on my bike's forum, and has been proven reliable, so I tried it.

I took the engine apart and put it back together TWICE. The first time I fucked up the gasket seals and snapped a bolt holding the engine together. Impatience got me to finish it & just ride.

After coolant and oil leaks, and a bike overheat that left me stranded, my senses hit me, and I did it all over again.
This time I did it right. I thoroughly cleaned the gasket mating surfaces, paid for new gaskets, got a new bolt and put it together carefully, with an extra set of hands to help me out this time.

The oil probably has metal particles from cylinder break-in, and residual coolant that leaked in from the previous build attempt.
100 miles almost and no leaks. Bike runs like a dream, minus a battery issue and some jetting bugs.

Will change oil and filter soon.
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NEW MAP


NEW MAP


NEW MAP


Add yourselves with markers and contact info on this one

The other map wasn't being updated by the people that created it

Use this one and add yourselves


https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=2531082


https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=2531082


https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=2531082
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>>17175414
Nah we haven't gotten it in yet. The RnineT family are all decent, but expensive as fuck for a stripped down bike. Decent power, good torque, but heavy and clumsy. It was fun for a bit but I got bored of it as well. When my favorite part of a bike I ride is when I get off to look at it then I have a problem.

>>17175419
I like the Dorsoduro, but Aprilia is worse than Ducati as far as reliability is concerned, and they have a much smaller dealer and parts network in the US. If I have an issue with a BMW / DUC I can just take it to work and pay the techs cash to unfuck my shit. And parts for me are sold at cost.
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>>17175443
fuck off
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>>17175443
Didn't we tell you to fuck off?
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>>17175443
fuck off
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>>17175447
>>17175450
:*
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>>17175249

Indeed. 1982 Nighthawk 750.

I don't really have a well formed opinion on it yet because I just bought it on Saturday and it isn't running right yet. It needs the carbs cleaned and synced, and could probably use a new air filter and plugs too. Right now it barely runs under 2500-3000 rpm. It's the first multi-carb bike I've ever needed to tinker with so I had to order the tools which should get here end of this week or next week.

That said, I did take it out for a ride on the freeway on Monday where I could keep the revs up. I'll disclaimer by saying I haven't ridden a ton of street bikes to compare it to, so take these opinions as uninformed. The bike is pretty fun to ride and feels nimble enough for around town use. The handling isn't on par with modern bikes, despite only being 50lbs heavier than something like a street triple it "feels" about 100lbs heavier. It's no slouch though. It pulls well from 4-7k, and runs like a raped ape from 7k to redline. If you ever get a chance to ride one, make sure you take it to the red line because you're not even really feeling the bike until high RPM. I'm really looking forward to what it will do when it's all tuned up. Plenty of power, especially for a rider coming from a 250 or something, but very manageable. It wont catch you off guard, you feel like you're in control.

It's a little buzzy at sustained 75-80mph riding, but not in an annoying way. It might get fatiguing after a few hours of interstate cruising or something, but I get the feeling this bike would be a blast in canyons. The riding position is a little "cramped" feeling to me, but as you can tell by my garage I'm more used to dual sports. The GL1100 under the cover is also a recent addition, and outrageously comfy as it should be. The stock bar angle is not my favorite, but could be easily corrected with a new set of bars.

I do love the way it sounds, and it's just got a lot of that classic bike appeal. If you can find one for cheap, do it.
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>>17175446
>aprilia is worse than ducati
wrong
the 750 and 1200 Vs are some of their most reliable engines to boot
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>>17175299

The guys that run the map are fucking shit.

I sent an email with all the requested details a week and a half ago and my marker still isn't on the map.

Mapfaggots, fix your shit already.
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So I was looking at a Honda CB300F ABS as first bike. Then in some random video I saw the BMW G310R. Looks pretty similar in stats, the price is almost the same after adding ABS to the Honda. And BMW gets the girlies wet, right?

Thoughts on the G310R as first bike, and as opposed to CB300F?
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>>17175443
He literally updated it like 4 days ago and put everyone on
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>>17175451
I don't get it

What's wrong with a map?

The other guys running the google map were dickheads that never updated regularly
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>>17175469
He updated this fucking week you daft cunt.
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>>17175463

The BMW is a better bike that the CB300F, but the CB500F is better than the G310.
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>>17175464
>>17175472
Yeah but we had the same issue of the same old posters that haven't been around for ages left on the map
Just because he updated once doesn't make it solid, the other poster still isn't on it
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>Wanting to be on the aspie map.
You are truly cringe worthy children
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>>17175463
1 don't buy a bike you're intending to buy new
2 japscrap >>>>>> indian manufacturing
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>>17175361

It's true.

The the only reason higher powered bikes aren't recommended for newer riders is that they're more likely to do something stupid with the throttle and the power to hurt them is only a few degrees away. It's a margin of error thing.

A sufficiently cautious rider would do ok on nearly any bike, but might still learn faster on something they can flog a bit.
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>>17173645
>>17173646
>>17173650
Incorrect, please stop

Its for inserting a bar to hold it still when undoing the other side
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>>17175454
I've been looking at an 83 650 for weeks now, shaft driven however and I don't have the funds currently. Hope it stays.
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what are the colored bands in the tires? I have a yellow and a green one if that means something
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>>17175520
powerbands
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>>17175270
Do eet
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>>17175510

The GL1100 is my first shaft drive and I honestly haven't noticed the torque effects everyone talks about yet. Maybe once I get it into some mountain passes or something I'll be able to tell the difference, but shaft drives are quiet and low maintenance. Easier to keep your rear wheel clean too. The 650 is about 20lbs lighter and doesn't sacrifice too much power.

The nighthawks have a huge following and they're bone simple to work on as I'm finding out. There's a ton of info out there so it's easy to find what you need.

Seems like all multi-carb bikes really benefit from being properly synced from what I read, and it often goes ignored on older ones. If you buy it, consider getting a sync tool and at least checking it. I ordered a Morgan Carbtune after seeing it highly recommended by many on various forums, but there's a $65 vacuum gauge style kit on Amazon that should work just fine too. $80 with an auxiliary fuel bottle which should make your life easier.

What's the guy asking?
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>>17175569
Here's the two ads I've been looking at

https://philadelphia.craigslist.org/mcy/6098827330.html
https://allentown.craigslist.org/mcy/6104270532.html

Looking to knock down the first price to $1300 (was initially $1600 but was dropped 100) and the second to around $800. The first looks immaculate, I fell in love with it the moment I saw it.

Have any luck finding parts for it? Is it a bike where finding them would be difficult? I've read the torque isn't nearly as bad as others have said about them in general yeah
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>>17175270
k1300
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I want a v-max 1200 but I've heard they don't turn well. How bad is their turning capability, and how is the ride quality?
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>>17175636

Between those two the 83 seems like a better bet. The 85 seems like it's in rougher condition and the "falls on its face after 7000" would make me apprehensive. That's about where these bikes are supposed to light up, not lose juice. I guess it depends on how much wrench time you're willing to put in, but I think the first is a better bet for $1300 (which seems fair) than the second for $800 if you just want to get riding.

I haven't really looked for too many parts, as mechanically everything on mine seems great. I did try to order a new foot peg on BikeBandit because the right side on mine is bent up a bit into an angle that makes it a little harder to press the rear brake. They had the perch but not a replacement peg itself. Motor and driveline parts should be easy to find as Honda made that motor in one form or another for decades. Body and frame stuff might be a little harder, but if there are any bike junkyards near you you'd probably have no problem as a fuckload of these bikes were sold.

Looking at it as a first bike?
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>>17175675

Find one for sale used and go test ride it.

Handling and performance issues with any bike are almost always grossly exaggerated by people comparing them to completely different styles of motorcycle.
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>>17175695
I've never ridden a cruiser. I have a supersport and a dual sport. I just want something different but don't want something that will scrape with barely any lean like some cruisers I've ridden with.
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>>17175715
Not the guy but not all cruisers are built the same. Some get pretty decent lean and some are straight garbage
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>>17175715

The VMAX is less of a traditional cruiser and more of a "muscle bike". It's going to handle a lot differently than your current bikes, but I think it'll probably do better in corners and twisties than most cruisers out there. Definitely better than any Harley if that's what you're comparing to.

Just looking at pictures of the bike you can tell the engineers gave more attention to handling characteristics than most cruisers.
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reminder to watch for giant ditches in the middle of the road
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>>17175749
OK. I wasn't too concerned until I read reviews saying the frame is basically spaghetti and flexes all over the place. I'll just assume that's an exaggeration unless I ride one and find it really sub-par.
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>>17175688
The 85 definitely looks a bit haggard, it was used as a learner for 2+ people so I guarantee it got ran into the ground. I have no clue what would need to be done to fix the RPM but I'm 100% willing to get my hands dirty. I may have to bite the bullet and go for the cheaper one due to lack of funds however.

It would be my first bike, yes. Looking to use whatever I get as a commuter. I can't imagine the first sticking around for long unless it has problems unforeseen
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Hey laddies. Installed my PP3 on the front and hit the toogay earlier today. It reminded a lot of the old PR2 I had. Hard-ish carcass, warms up somewhat quick, leans well yet doesn't give much feedback.

I couldn't even finish my rear chicken strips as the absolute shit Dunlop Qualifier I had on the rear kept sliding all over the place. After one big fat slide midcorner I decided to take it easy and just chill on the way home.

>>17175764
F4i best bike.

>>17175463
>first bike

Stick to japcrap, way cheaper replacements. Namely handlebars when you drop it. Take no offence anon, we've all been there done that.
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No wonder it was leaky
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>>17175795
I-i-is that electrical tape being used as a gasket?
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>>17174970
hello my sudaka friend are bikes expensive in brasil? Because here in argentina you have to be a fucking millonaire to buy something up to 600cc
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>>17175457
Granted this is first hand experience and not worth much, but we have a large amount of people that try to get their Aprilias serviced by us. If it's not the engine it's the electronics. And if something does go wrong there aren't that many places that will touch it for warranty. I haven't seen any stats for Aprilia failure rates, I just know that resale on them is horrid and our techs have an allergic reaction to them.
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>>17175775

I mean, as long as you buy one at a good price, there's no reason you can't ride it for a bit and re-sell it to recoup your costs if you don't like it. Most sellers are shit, so if you actually detail the bike a little or fix small issues, take good photos, and write up a good listing you should get all your money back or or maybe get a couple hundred extra.
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WHICH ONE OF YOU DID IT
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>>17175785
>F4i best bike.
It's pretty good but I don't think I want to keep it long term.

>>17175859
I've always tried to do that but I'm shit at picking good bikes. What would be considered a good price for a 91-04 V-Max?
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>>17175870
I did. Good luck catching me.
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>>17175870

Makes me think of frame damage.
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>>17175814
Nah, just 18 year old gasket turned somewhat rubbery over the years

It was a bitch to clean off, ended up using 120 & 240 sand paper to get it ready for the new gasket

Did the gasket, put some Castrol 10w40 motoryccle oil in it, lubed my chain up properly, adjusted the chain slack, adjusted the clutch and did the tire pressure... now I just have to wait for it to stop fucking snowing
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>>17175870
Atleast you didn't have some fuck heads plop their asses on the hood of your car and scrape into it with the metal of their jeans pockets
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>>17175874
>I don't think I want to keep it long term

Why non anon? Going for a leaderbike?

The F4i is pretty much my bike with better brakes, suspension, EFI and a 2 piece seat (if sport version). I'd gladly own one.

>>17175906
Damn Benz, have you gotten a bike? I don't venture much outside /dbt/ on /o/.
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>>17175932
I don't post here a lot, and I got the bike late last summer, and as such had just a few months to ride it before snow, ice and whatnot rolled around in early October

Its just a 1999 Yamaha Virago 125, as I don't currently have a license for anything bigger
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>>17175947
Ew
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>>17175779

I would read around a bit and see if you can get a good idea of what might be causing the issue before you buy it.

You can eat up $500 in buying tools and parts really quickly if you don't already have a well equipped shop.

Anyway, I think it's a solid choice for a first bike. You'd probably have an easier time learning on something smaller and lighter, but as long as you take it easy and pay close attention to your low speed maneuvering and foot position when stopping / starting I think you'll do fine. Power is manageable enough to be easy, but enough to grow into.

>>17175906

>120 sand paper on a gasket mating surface

Isn't that a bit aggressive? I've always been nervous to use aggressive sand paper. Then again, I've used a wire wheel before so maybe I'm just a retard.

>>17175874

I dunno honestly, I just recently started buying bikes again after riding the same dual sport for 5 years. Look at a few price guides and what the bike is selling for in your area and take the condition / mileage into account. You can kind of come up with a fair average.
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>>17175981
120 first to get the solid shit, then 240 to get it nice and smooth again
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>>17175932
What's that, an F4? Only bike I can think of that is "basically my bike" would be that or the first gen 600rr, but it doesn't look like it from your pic. Your top triple clamp looks different- is the steering geometry the same? Fuel tank looks different too.

I may end up coming back to another one but I would like to sell it to try out some different bikes. My f4i is pretty ratty anyway so I want something in better condition. Would also like something easier on my back and knees. Kind of also want something that doesn't need a bazillion revs to go anywhere, and something that doesn't encourage me to push myself into riding a way I really shouldn't be.
I sound like a fucking old man.

I currently desire a V65 Magna or a V-Max.
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>>17175991
any wheelie on a street bike is automatically better than wheelies on dirtbikes or sumos
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>Honda is shit because I don't like their new bikes!
>New Fireblade wins superbike comparison test, shits on the new GSX-R1000 particularly in the process
>Honda is shit because I don't buy new bikes!

The weirdest part is these kids act like Honda hasn't been making unspectacular easy to ride all rounder bikes forever. Even the fucking Fireblade came from disregarding the big bike power war and focusing on ridability.
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>>17175991

I tried to buy a Magna 750 last week but the guy was flaky and I ended up with a GL1100 instead. No regrets, even though it's a pretty different bike. If I get bored of it I'll sell it and look for a V65 Magna.

Option number three if that doesn't tickle my jimmies will be some kind of liter+ sport tourer.

I'm playing motorcycle slot machine, trying for the jackpot. First reel is locked in on my dual sport. Second is still finding the right touring / cruiser. Third will be a track bike of some kind.
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I'm thinking about buying an Indian Scout
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>>17176018
You want a cookie, wageslave?
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>>17176018
MCN is a pretty garbage review site, are there any results from others?
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>>17176018
Nobody actually thinks honda is shit, its just a joke
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>>17176026
Do it. Just don't get the 60.
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>>17176017
so that wheelie was better than this one?
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>>17176027
Why do you keep trying to use this insult on /o/
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>>17176030
I will admit comparison tests are a meme anyways but they're more relevant than no bikes shitting on bikes they've never ridden.
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>>17176035
>only one anon uses this particular insult
Sure!
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>>17176034
yep
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>>17176018

Everything you said is correct anon.

Don't let the tryhards ruffle you.

You meet the nicest people on a Honda.
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>>17176041
You can be plural.
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>>17176052
And you can not be a faggot. But you wont
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>>17176033
Got it, senpai.
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>>17176024
>I'm playing motorcycle slot machine, trying for the jackpot. First reel is locked in on my dual sport. Second is still finding the right touring / cruiser. Third will be a track bike of some kind.
I feel you. I think I'll be keeping my KLX for a long time. I know I want a real street bike too. The CBR was nice in that regard but I think I want something more street-oriented rather than pure gofast.

>>17176044
Why though? That one was obviously done with more control.
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>>17176040
It honestly seems like they just pick a new winner every year, and I don't really get how the 3rd fastest bike was their favourite.

They also didn't even set the RSV4 up for track then complained that it was slow to turn in which would have been fixed. Aprilia sells them set up for street and gives you documentation on their best track settings so you can switch it over in a couple minutes.
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>>17175947
Noice man. Small bikes are more fun than people usually care to admit.

>>17175991
That's an F3, earlier generation of the cbr600f (95-98).

It feels similar to an F4i, albeit a bit more slow steering and top heavy.

>something easier on my back and knees
>bazillion revs to go anywhere

Yeah those two I can understand well. It sucks having to downshift 3 times to overtake and being miserable on anything longer than 2 hours.
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>>17176081
rsv4 is a v4 bike
Vs tend to understeer
you will never feel it unless you're espargaro
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>>17176066
There's a few guys on here with scouts. They seem happy. Not sure which of um have the 60 though.

Just don't get red
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>>17176085
I looked at F3s as well when I got my bike.
F3 is steel frame, right? I thought the F4 was a total redesign. I don't think they really share much other than being from the same product series do they?

Also I apparently can't corner near as well as I thought I would be able to so I don't think I really need a supersport style bike for the time being.
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>>17176077
speaking from experience, dirtbike wheelies are just way easier to do and learn on.

if you loop it, you just get a couple scratches, if you loop a sportbike it's like $600 in fairings alone.
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>>17176077

I bought my XR650L in 2012 and I don't really see myself selling it any time in the foreseeable future. 20k miles and going strong I'll just keep fixing and upgrading it as it breaks until they discontinue it at least. All the offroad capability I need and still my bike of choice for running around town or riding in shit weather.

I want a real gofast, but I know I'll do more highway riding than actual track days or anything, so I'm trying some stuff out. Five thousand miles or so will be enough to tell me if I really love the GL1100 or if it's time to move onto something else. With the wife getting into riding I can kind of double the variety I get to try out as she goes through bikes too.

Then it'll be time to invest in a proper set of leathers and start buying, riding, and selling sportbikes until I'm ready for whatever final form supersport I decide I like best.

Nice wheelie, anon. I'm a real pussy when it comes to wheelies.
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lads

how much should I pay for a 1986 XL600, in good shape but not currently plated?
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>>17176118
Yeah the dirt bikes are definitely easier to pop up but you're comparing wheelies that are obviously on totally different levels.

If you're just comparing shitty little 3 second wheelies on each then sure the street bike rider may have done it "better".

>>17176126
I would keep the CBR for sure if I could actually do track days on it but I'm poor as fuck and track days cost like $300. For now I can go to a go-kart track with my shitbike for $20 plus cost of gas.
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>>17176081
It's fairly easy to make lap time just by making a bike shittier for the road stock or making it really expensive.

The thing with all of this is that you can go read 10 comparison tests and in one a bike will be rated with the best suspension and another they'll call it absolute fucking crap, motorcycles are so dependent on their interaction with the rider and the competition is so close these days that trying to call one the best usually becomes kind of ridiculous. Egos being what they are sport bikes have a tendency to devolve into picking the hardest, edgiest one that didn't scare them to death. Especially Americans, or Californians really. (the bit in one of the Fast Bikes videos where the Cycle World riders are going full autism about setup and lap times while the Brits go out and wheelie every straight comes to mind)
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>>17176166

100% true on this anon.
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>>17176105
F2 and F3 are the same steel frame.
F4i has an aluminum frame

>I don't think they really share much other than being from the same product series do they?

You mean they don't share much other than... being actually the same vehicle, with gradual performance increments over the years? I found them to be alike.

Sure you have better components, but the geometry and the feel of the bike remain very, very similar. Even the abysmal throttle response at 4k revs on sixth gear is remarkably similar on both models. I'd say a 2007 F4i has more to do with a 1995 F3 than a 2008 fireblade.

As for cornering, the old CBRs are very capable. I've tracked mine a few times and still have a lot to learn.
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>>17176196
I wasn't trying to devolve into "my bikes better than ur bike" shitposting. I just thought they got basically totally redesigned when they went to the aluminum frame.

And yeah, I know they're all very capable, more so than I am. That's why I'm questioning why I put myself through that back-killing riding position when I'm not really benefiting much from it.
>tfw can't even drag knee
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I've been riding for ~13 years, but mostly dirtbikes and dual sports up to 650. I just got my first road bikes recently, but nothing above ~80hp ~65lbs torque.

Never owned a sport.

What would be a good bike to buy for getting started with track riding? Would I actually benefit and learn best with a 250 class bike, should I start and grow with a 600, or should I just buy a liter and learn from other riders at the track? I don't want to come across as the retard that bought a literbike and doesn't know how to ride it, even though I've got more than a decade of experience on two wheels.

There are some ex pro racers that offer one on one lessons in town, but they charge what seem like outrageous prices.
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What's the most comfortable summer gear?
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>>17176270
Nakedness
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>>17176270
Depends how hot it gets, vented leathers are nice if it's not crazy hot, if it is then mesh with good armor and denier over contact areas is like wearing nothing at all.
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>>17176247
A lot of people go down to a 600 from a 1000 for a dedicated track bike, I wouldn't bother with that at all. A 600 is easily fast enough to outrun 99% of amateur riders.

Something like a Ninja 250 is arguably a bit too slow on a car track because making lap time can devolve into keeping the throttle pinned at all costs. 2 stroke/I4 250s and 300s don't have that problem but if everyone else is riding 600s and 1000s on a fast track the traffic might be a pain. SV650s are really popular track bikes that are fast enough to keep up.
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>>17176247
go with a 600 unless you've got a bunch of money to blow on tires. a 1000 will go through a set of tires in a day or so of really hard track riding, a 600 will get at least twice that, and a 250 will go for a while on a single set.

>there is also an amateur racing series of 450cc where you basically use a 600 with one cylinders deactivated, this is good for people getting into racing and track riding since you have one bike that you can move up a class if you want, and it doesn't kill tires as fast as a 600
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>>17176311
>>17176373

Alright, so a 600 of some sort is probably my best bet to get started. That's kind of what I was thinking, but I'm new to these types of bikes.

I'm not interested in racing, I want to start tracking just to improve my overall ability as a rider and actually push my bike to its capability in an environment where I wont get my license suspended (again), creamed by a car that strayed outside of its lane, or launched off the side of a canyon if I fuck up.

I know if I can get to where I'm running nearly flawless laps on a track with a sport bike, I'll be a better rider on any bike in any conditions.
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>>17176447
>improve my overall ability as a rider and actually push my bike
yeah you'll be bored with a 250 then if you want to do stuff on a track you cant on the street
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>>17176247
I would buy a liter because that's what I ride currently and they're about the same price as 600s where I live, and have better components besides just a larger engine.
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>>17176477

I suspected, but having never actually ridden one, I wasn't qualified to say for sure. Displacement doesn't mean too much on its own in my experience when talking about totally different styles of motorcycles, engines, and riding.
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>>17176543
right and there is still merit to tracking a 250 since you really have to practice carrying speed, but on a 600 you will be able to hit speeds way above what you could do on the road which is a huge part of the value of going to the track imo since you will get more comfortable riding at such high speeds
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>>17176145
pls respawn
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