Do you heel toe?

>having a clutch
>2017

>>17170711
Die.

My feet are too big and my heel hits the tranny tunnel if I try it. Size 14-16 shoes depending on manufacturer.

>>17170704
no i wish i could.. ijust started driving manual and i fucking suck. how do i pull out faster in traffic reee? it always feels like a near death experience

>>17170704
Can't in my gfs ford focus. The accelerator is deeper than the break and clutch for some reason.

>>17170704
My Passat has the throttle that is mounted to the floor so you cant blip it easily :(

>>17170704
I just use the sides of my feet.

>>17170704
i don't use antiquated equipment.

>>17170745
t. boyracer with a 90s econoshitbox

My feet are too big, also, what's the point?

i'm trying to learn it, mostly for hill starts though.

>>17170704
Yes but the bottom of my foot hits the transmission tunnel if I swing my heel out and the pedals aren't set up correctly to use the side of my foot. I can get on the brakes and blip the throttle for the shift but modulating the braking force while doing this is really difficult. I could spend some money to mess with the pedals but it's not like I race the car so it's a pretty low priority.

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>>17170767
>>17170830
Big feet makes it easier geniuses

>>17170704
>mfw my feet are too wide and the accelerator pedal in my car is a good way back towards the firewall and i cant heel toe
jdimsa

>>17170852
as someone who drives in thongs (sandles for u yanks) and barefoot this scares me

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Can't do it on my mustang, the pedals are different height. So I just rev match.
Does rev matching save clutchwear? Should I just not even bother?

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>>17170869
We call them flip flops

>>17170830
Rev matching while down shifting.
It's really only useful if you're racing

>>17170767
Like other anon's pic
>>17170852
Heel brake, toe accelerator.
Never understood why graphics show it the other way- with toe on throttle you can easily control RPMs while having stable pressure on brake.

>>17170817

bmw accelerator pedals are floor mounted.. mine is fine to blip.

>>17170807
What year? I know for sure he Fiesta ST also has a deeper accelerator and I bet he Focus ST and Focus RS do also. How did Ford fuck up enthusiast cars this badly?

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>>17170889
With big feet you don't even have to rotate your foot at all, just right side of your foot throttle left side brake. Asking/explaining how to do it is like teaching someone to ride a unicycle over the internet, you just have to do it. Also, if you're consciously thinking about it it's going to be hard. When you get to the point where you really need to do it to drive the car properly your motor skills will adapt.

>>17170899
2006. It's a shame, because it's a pretty fun car to drive. Doesn't matter though, I have my SS Commodore to get hektic with

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>>17170704
Amazed I still had this saved

>>17170924
lol i remember that guy

he'd always sperg at any suggestion that any BMW wasnt the best car ever

>>17170914
Some pedals aren't spaced correctly for the roll. If the throttle rests too high relative to the depressed brake, is too thin and far away, or both then rolling your foot is awkward and unreliable.

>>17170899

Just buy a pedal spacer.

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>>17170830
to look like an autist

I also bigtoe-smalltoe instead of heel-toeing.

>>17170704
It would be extremely painful.

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Holy shit this thread is full of people who don't understand how heel-toeing works.

You use your toe on the brake and heel on the throttle because braking is the primary task, and you always use your toe for the "main" input because you have better control and sensitivity there. You brake first, blip and shift, and then keep braking as necessary, and try to keep the wheels right on the edge of lockup while doing it. (Threshold braking.)

Throttle pedals are "deeper" in most cars for similar reasons. The pedals line up properly when under full braking. If all of the pedals were even, you couldn't heel-toe properly when braking hard, because the throttle would be too high. Pedal spacers are a meme for people who never track their cars and only heel-toe out of autism.

Source - professional training in formula (pic related) and MX5 cup cars by a renowned racing school.

All the time, usually just for the fuck of it. Feels gud when I nail it.

>Tfw your throttle position sensor is fucked so you have to heel-toe to keep the car from stalling

Literally all the time. I still fuck up a decent amount but it's worth making an ass of myself to hear that sound when I get it just right.

Yes I do sometimes most of the time it's for the 3-2 and into a turn. Feels entirely different when you need to do it on the track however. that first time I was on a track and going 3-2 I just froze up for a split second. Hope I can go back soon and feel more comfortable

>>17170852
But in that picture it looks like the right foot's heel is blocking access to the clutch?
>>17170889
Unless I break my ankle, my toe would be contacting the throttle somewhere near the top and not the bottom where there's actual leverage. Seems shit to me.

>>17170887
i know

I don't heel toe cause my feet are too big. imagine how the queen waves, by flipping her hand back and forth- thats what i do with my foot on the pedal. i use the side of it

>>17171486
Shut the fuck up

Yeah I can, I only do it when I'm going a bit hard though.
It doesn't work unless the gear I'm downshifting into has high enough revs to justify it.

Feels good when you get it right though.

>>17170835
If your car is fwd just use the handbrake

>>17170704
I heel toe but it's automatic

>>17170704
Yes. Every downshift when braking.

>>17170872
It saves syncros and clutch.
Only if done correctly.

>>17170704
when I'm having fun or want to practice, yes. It also keeps the car from becoming unsettled

>>17170711
I just bought a 2017 subaru impreza with a clutch.
>its a base model. (You)

>>17170924
you autists do realise it doesn't really matter which way round you do it

Sure, but usually only from 3-2-1. Also, my legs are too long to use my toe, so my the top half of my foot just covers the brake and I just roll my ankle to throttle.

>>17172635
*to use my heel and toe

Otherwise I'd just be stabbing the floor with my heel.

>>17172627
Weird, must be why I've only ever seen it done the one way.

When braking, do you want more accuracy with the brake or the throttle that you're just blipping anyway?

>>17170704
Always, even though I need to push my gas pedal further in than my brake.
But that will stop when I fix the throttly cable...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8By2AEsGAhU

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I feel&woe

>>17170767
Yeah I am same. Size 15. I changed my seats last year and the new seat makes it more difficult to learn on. I wish I would have with the old seats as they gave me more room for leg play.

>>17170711
>2017
>still doesn't know how to use the clutch

>>17170704
no im not a manlet/nip. I use the side of my foot.

I usually only do it going from 3 to 2, because slowing down while I blip the the throttle usually gives me a little more room for error because I can almost never give it enough to not jerk. Part of its because my car is loud and I don't want attention from all the noise.

And the pedals are close enough together that I can just roll my foot to the side instead of having to actually heel-toe

>>17170789
dump the clutch pussy

That picture is straight fucking backwards

Brake with heel. Revmatch with toes

>>17170789
it gets easier, so easy you can drive any manual without a second thought. try to do some late night driving on country roads, stop as often as possible and keep doing all the moves, WOT through all the gears, hill starts, reverse full lock in a circle(by far the hardest thing to do in a FWD car), downshift to a stop etc.

t. feeling the same as I start my heavy vehicle lessons soon

I try to rev match when down shifting but without heel/toe. The car jerks forward sometimes, is that because I'm giving too much gas?

>>17173573
jerks forwards - too much gas
jerks backwards- too little
nothing - perfection
Just pay attention how much revs are between each gear

>>17170704
No lol what is this the 1920s?

>>17173605
My first gear has no syncros and 2nd to 3rd requires double clutching at high rpm.
Besides you'll have a smoother experience and save your clutch/gearbox.
And have fun.

My Gas pedal is too far back to heel toe :c

>>17170711
Murican children. Sigh.

>>17170704
This is a rally/drifting technique. I don't really use it often except for when driving up a steep hill from stand still without rolling back

>>17173614
>shifting gears
What is this, the 1940s?

>>17170704
No, because that's stupid.

Also, my car is FWD, so I engine-brake into the turn, point the front end where I want it, and then stomp on the throttle to accelerate out.

>>17170807
>for some reason
>>17170899
>fuck up

Feature, not a bug. It's so you don't strip the synchros off the gears, or shred your brakes trying to accelerate against them.

yeah but I mostly drive on highways so I can't practice that often.

>>17173643
>I engine-brake into the turn
some people want to have fun while driving though

>tfw had to teach myself heel-toe technique to match revs when clutch failed and wouldn't disengage

>didn't even know heel-toe was a thing until I saw Initial D some time afterwards

>>17170704
I have only two pedals. Can I heel-toe too?

I have UK11 feet and can heel-toe with heel on the brake. You have more contril this way.

Also heel-toe is only genuinely useful on corner entry. Inly retards use it while driving straight.

>>17173642
>driving cars
What is this, the 2010s?

>>17173687
>some people want to have fun while driving though
So, slamming on the brakes is 'fun' to you?

I just rely on proper suspension design so I can take corners at speed. Don't need to slow down much, or to slam the brakes on and destabilise the rear end.

>>17171529
Then you have a shitbox.
Most decent vehicles have a center pivot pedal that will compensate for foot position/shoes and function whether you press on the top or bottom...

>>17170704
>Do you heel toe?
yes I do, as a matter of fact this technique is very useful when you are on incline.

>>17170807
If you're not hitting the brake pedal hard enough to bring it close enough to the gas to blip, you either shouldn't be using heel toe in that situation or you're a bad driver and shouldn't be using it on a public road.

>>17170807
....You realize thats on purpose?

And no, I don't. Never mastered it.

>>17170704
>do i wear out the clutch more than i need to
no, i do not

>>17176347
While I do agree with you that it's a stupid thing to do in this current day and age, but heel toe, if done correctly, is just a different kind of rev matching so it actually decreases clutch wear, especially on downshifts