4A-GE

>>17141523
B16

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what exactly did the 4A-GE revolutionize? Genuinely curious.

>>17141528
this

>>17141523
Cosworth BDA.
The engine the 4A-GE was based upon.

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>>17141523

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>>17141535
Quad Four's are seriously underrated. I'm about to run this total shitbox $100 Grand Am in it's 3rd enduro in a few weeks, and it's tired old oil burnin LD9 still hangs with any v6 on the straights.

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>>17141523

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Oh but I can.

>>17141531
>what exactly did the 4A-GE revolutionize?
It was in an anime

>>17141523
Ford Barra series

350 chebby small block

>>17141899
if the 4a-ge is so good then why they only use it for 20 years.
The chevy small block was used for almost 50 years so it must be good.

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Ford flathead v8

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>>17141523
> revolutionary
set new standarts for NA engines
>reliable
These fuckers run forever

>>17141523
>4AGE
>revolutionary
Are weebs serious about this or is it just a troll thread? Does anyone really think this meh tier shitbox engine is that great?

>>17141531
It had DOHC in consumer cars, it had 5V/cylinder and it was the first engine to break the 100hp/L mark.

>>17141912
What was revolutionary about the ford flathead?

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Why are people acting like 4A-GE's are only popular from Inital D, it's one of the most popular N/A engines for tons of reasons.

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did someone say revolutions?

>>17141933
but it's not tho

it's a shitbox engine, nothing special really

>>17141942
OP said relieable...

>>17141942
lol apex seals

>>17141943
A shitbox engine with 20V and over 100hp/L...

>>17141953
>100hp/l
why are you lying?

>>17141942

Revolution? Communism was also considered revolutionary.

It worked too. In theory.

ford i6

>>17141953
>20V
This isn't revolutionary, it's so pointless that nobody even does it anymore

>over 100 hp/L
One version of it barely had 100 hp/L, and this is really not that special either

>>17141965
The 4A-GE Blacktop had 165Ps and was a 1,6L DOHC 20V engine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_A_engine#4A

>>17141977
It was special back then, no other consumer engine had that specific output.

>>17141981
the honda B series had 100 hp/L before the 4AGE did...

>>17141978


Read the article. The silver top(5v) came out in 1991 making 160hp.

>>17141988
Source?
Because the 1991 Silvertop had 100ps/l as well.

>>17141933
This car never made 100hp/l, it doesn't have the 20v engine

>>17141920
>the first engine to break the 100hp/L mark.
[citation needed]

>>17141997
just google it? there were a few B variants making 100 hp/L before 1991

also most 4AGE didnt have anywhere near 100 hp/L

>>17141945
>>17141946
>>17141973
the engine spins around. it does a revolution. you guys are amazingly retarded.

>>17142010
The 1989 B16A SIR-V didn´t have 100hp/L.
The later generations wich had 100hp/l+ started in 1992, the JDM B16A SIR-II for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine#B16A_SIR-V_.28First_Generation.29

>>17142010
All 20V versions had at least 100hp/L

>>17142020
BMW M3 e30 was making well past 100hp/l before the 4AGE ever was

Jesus fuck even i like 100hp/l and more but that alone isn't a reason as to why its a great engine. Its autism

>>17142024
the silver top made 160 ps, which is 158 hp.

>>17142030
No they didn't.

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>>17142030
Yes but the M3 wasn't a consumer car, that's why the 4A-GE is extremely popular.

>>17142049
That car never made 100hp/l, why are you even posting it?

>>17142050
>STOP PPOOISTING CAARS REEE MY AUTISM CAANNNT HANDLE IT

neck yourself goatfucker

>>17142049
>BMW M3 e30
It made *almost* 100PS/L.

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>>17142049
>but the M3 wasn't a consumer car

>>17142054
he fucks dogs
hes not muslim

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>>17142050

What do the pictures have to do with my points you autist, of course I know it didn't.

>>17141926
It was the first affordable v8 that the average joe could buy. Lead the way for hotrodding and car modification

>>17142049
215Ps from a 2,3L engine are not 100Ps/L
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3_(E30)

>>17142063
Because the cars are shit and I don't want to see them

>>17142030
The E30 M3 never made 100hp/L as a consumer vehicle.

>people sperging over .01 hp/L

christ are you guys really this autistic about which shitbox engine is better?

>>17142066
So it was only cheap?

>>17142030
Only the race trim. The road versions didn't. 2.3 made 212hp and the 2.5 made 235hp.

The race trim of the 4AGE also made significantly more power too though.

>>17142073
You can't say their anime engine isn't the best or they lose it

>>17142073
It is more like 7% in case of the BMW.

>>17142079
Nobody claimed it would be the best, only that it was pretty good back then.

>>17142084
so that's a yes?

>>17142079
>hating on things just because it was featured in one of 2 car animes ever made

stay mad turboautist.
You're just jelly /o/tists respect cornering and your webm gets posted every time you show up.

learn to take a corner you fucking retard,
I hope your ls swapped piece of shit rust bucket cuntmobile finally launches you off the cliff because you're too retarded to know anything about driving so you have to compensate your pathetic skills with a bigger engine

>>17142090
refer to >>17141523

>>17142079
lol looks like you were right:
>>17142092
that's some major tism right there

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>>17141523
are you even trying?

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>>17142092
>being this mad
holy shit if a cliff doesn't kill me this autism sure will

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>tfw T-VIS valves rattle and make you think your head is fucked

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>>17141920
>It had DOHC in consumer cars
Alfa Romeo would like a word with you 30 years before

>it had 5V/cylinder
Been done since the 20's

>and it was the first engine to break the 100hp/L mark.
Well hello there, you seem to be forgetting me

>>17142239
Toyota actually done it in a proper and reliable manner instead of Alfa Ramemeo

>>17142239
on normal shitboxe's not fucking supercars you cuck

>>17142247
>>17142248

Ah the classic

>I-it doesn't count. I'm moving the goalposts RIGHT NOW!!

Face it weebs, you got rekt on all accounts and are in damaged control

>>17142259
uhh, this isn't even mentioning the rotaries, those BTFO at 1.3l

>>17142263

Ah, I didn't even remember that, maybe because here it's taxed as a 2.6, but just wait for their

>I meant pistons only, even though I never said it

>>17142259
well its coach built car so none of models were same so you could say it was kit car

>>17142285
yeah it would be quite rude to compare well built classic to italian built kitcar

>>17142263
>>17142275
its a good engine just ya know nothing revolutionary really

poobum

Sumtimes poopoo from bum bum

>japs
>actually doing anything revolutionary
Aha

>>17142323
maybe not , but alteast their engines still work long after italian and american engines

>>17142323
>this is what eurcucks thinks

>>17142076
Also light and compact for it's time. Being cheap and delivering that amount of power is a huge accomplishment.

>>17142247
Alfa engines are pretty reliable, everything else can be total shit.

>>17141523
V6 ecoboost

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>>17141906
Because you can't make more money selling the same engine to people instead of making shittier engines that cause the car to need to be replaced sooner, requiring a new car, every so often. Planned obscelesence.
It's the same way in big pharma. Even if dichloroacetate cures cancer, doctors don't care about it since it's more profitable saying cancer is incurable, keeping people returning. Business

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>>17141528
I want a pic related mostly because of the Quad4.

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>>17141920
Mercedes-Benz had DOHC in consumer cars since the early 70s.

>>17141942
Fuck off ryosuke

>>17141858
K20 master race

>>17141858
>>17141914
>DOHC I4 with a really good specific output
Not revolutionary at all. A good engine, but nothing new about it.

>>17141636
>>17141874
>>17141976
>iron block DOHC I6
Nothing revolutionary either.

>>17141895
>>17141912
>>17142100
Only revolutionary in how cheap they offered their performance. Every single piece of tech on them was tried and tested (in more expensive cars, but still)

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can I just post my favorite engine desu

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>>17142814
Complete Engine 2.2 Liter 3S-G

- MSRP/ 1,365,000 Yen (1,300,000 Yen w/o tax) ~ (Price will vary due to customization) Product made upon purchase
- Specs/ Displacement 2,253cc, Bore x Stroke 87.0x94.8, Max Power 172kW(235ps)@6,800rpm, Max Torque 255Nm(26.0kgf-m)@4,400rpm
- Components/ 2.2 Liter Forged Pistons, 2.2 Liter Crankshaft, F3 Gasket, F3 Camshafts (IN&EX 256), TEC2 Computer, Lightened Flywheel
- Vehicle Application/ MR2 (1989~1997 SW20 equipped with 3SGE), Other Vehicles Equipped with 3SGE (Excludes VVT-I engines)

http://www.tomsracing.co.jp/products/parts/detailseng.php?mprID=285

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Miller cycle + supercharger.

>>17141528
These are so rough though. NHV

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No competition. The Volvo Redblock.

>>17141550
Meme-electric motor

>>17141874
That bandaid solution for Gandpa's axe?

>>17142695
Yet they still had their pants thoroughly kicked by BMW's SOHC.

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This engine was used from 65 up to 300hp in boats and was developed in the 60s and used till the 90s. It is built to last. I often see them with 30000 hours on the clock.

>>17142920
The standard was 65 hp to 160hp used in Trucks from 5tons up to 12 tons.

>>17141926
First mass produceable V8.
https://youtu.be/3RB3z1er9Sw
IIRC every other V8 before it had to be machined largely by hand, and Ford figured out how to cast it.

>>17142834
>babys first V8

>>17141523
Revolutionary? 13b.
Reliable? BMW S85B50.

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>>17142049
>M3 wasn't a consumer car

>>17142892
How so? The M30B28 had a similar power output.

>>17141942
>>17143087
>rotary

yeah it revolutionized itself right out of production cars

>>17142239
Wich alfa Romeo consumer car had a DOHC engine?
Also the whole post was about normal cars, like the corollas, not a expensive ferrari.

>>17142695
Indeed, nut these where 2V/cylinder instead of 5V/cylinder engines.
>>17142729
No affordable car engine had a that high specific output.
Only a single ferrari engine gets a little higher.

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>>17143196
It was a completely different desgin with a insane specific output.
There was nothing like it before.

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>>17143913
>>17143196
And then there was the original Wankel engine...

>>17141523
List of good 4age in my opinion
>4agze
>4age 20v "silver top"
>small port 4age 16v
>blue top 4age 16v
>(useless tier right here) 4age 20v "black top"

>>17143922
Apex seals wouldn't be a problem here.

>>17141523
RR Merlin

>>17141906
Then the ford cologne is better.

>>17143934
They actualy where a problem there, since these engines where basicly insane reving wankels with only rotating mass.
The first protototype reved like 17.000rpm...

>4age
>revolutionary
weebs really need to go

>>17141523
Lets see here...
The only thing one could say is revolutionary about the 4A-GE is the T-VIS variable inlet manifold system and maybe the back then novelty of a DOHC multivalve engine (but it wasn't the first, specially in japan). All else is pretty much well proven technology.

>>17141973
communism doesn't even work in theory.

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>>17141523
you made this exact same thread a month ago i believe, it also played out the same way, b16 retaliation first post, followed by an rb-26 and a k20

stop samfagging this stupid fucking thread and baiting /o/ into it over and over

>>17144521
porsche was already doing that anyway

>>17141920

sr20det came out in the same year with more power.

>>17144619
>a turbo has more power
wow we got a real sherlock holmes over here

>>17144619
>sr20det
It is a turbocharged engine...

>this thread is still up
can you newfags just stop whining about hp/L on outdated shitbox engines and just let it die already

>>17144648
bet your shitbox doesn't make 100+hp/l

>>17144648
spotted the buthurt burger

>>17144605
You could argue that Porsche isn't precisely a high volume manufacturer, and even then...the 4A-GE wasn't the first toyota engine to use T-VIS.

Really, more than revolutionary, I would say the 4A-GE is an example of an engine made good because of the use of well proven technology and design ideas.

>>17144634
>>17144643

>factory turbo
>moving goal posts

>>17144643
Its also a 2l being compared to a 5l
Deal with it

>>17142729
the ford flathead v8 was the first one piece cast v8 block it took them years to figure it out it is the most revolutionary engine in this thread

>>17142814
>MAX POWER

MAXPOWER MAXIMUM

>>17144866
>Its also a 2l being compared to a 5l
The 4A-GE is a 1,6L, not a 5L.