you literally cannot make this up

>>17089813
17 years is a long time for advanecments anon.

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>>17089813
American cars are pure shit!!

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>>17089813
ford f150 with a body outperforms both

>>17089837
negro, did you just watch this movie or something? lel

>>17089813
And the new Civic Type are is faster than a 17 year old 911 GT3 around the ring

Why the hell are you surprised? New cars are faster

>>17089865
Yeah my G a few hours ago lmao!

Dude driving the pagani was probably afraid of damaging it

>>17089918
by that logic the new civic should set a faster time than the zonda.

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>>17090091
>2017 Type R lapped the ring in 7 minutes, 43.8 seconds
>10 seconds slower than the Zonda

Not the anon you replied to, but even considering technology advancement, it's still impressive that it *could* keep up well with a Zonda.

>>17090136
yea because ten seconds slower per lap is really keeping up.
must suck to be retarded

>>17090016
or afraid of killing himself

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>>17090091
You're a nigger

>>17090158
excuses and retardation in one post
'grats

>>17090168
i can assure you my melanin within a dignified level. also, that's not a pagani tard

>>17090187
The Zonda is 4 slots under the Civic

>>17089825

That has nothing to do with it. A lot of cars turned into track monsters that will embarrass the best Ferrari and Porsche have to offer.

Boutique manufacturers like Pagani are expensive because every single one is custom made from literally the highest quality materials that money can buy, and in extremely low volume. Nothing is sacrificed. Even the pinstripes and text on the car are hand painted. The carbon fiber weave is lined up between body panels. You choose the color, material and finish of literally every surface in the interior. You're not paying for performance, you're paying for an artisan's work.

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>>17090146
Face it, your wondrous million dollar super car would have a 306BHP shitbox gnawing on it's ass through the corners.

>But the straightaways

I bet you're the kind of guy who brags about your driving skills when you beat someone at a light to light race, huh?

>>17090168
>Horst von
>the same driver who got another Type R to 8:15
>even if this Type R is faster than the hatch one there is no fucking way in hell Von or any driver of similar skill level would make up 30+ seconds on any Zonda in existence
That Civic driver is clearly Shingo's dad and everyone ITT including OP is a nigger.

t. honda fangirl

>>17090215
scratch that it was Christian Gebhardt who did the Civic on sport auto who is even better than Von.

>>17090203
the zonda did it 7:33
retarded can't even process ops image lol

>>17090204
>the more powerful car is faster
thanks for agreeing with me, albeit in an autistic butthurt kind of retarded way.

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ive never looked up the price before, chevy camaros are really under $30k????? no wonder i see so many nogs driving them

>>17090209
i can't hear you all the way back there 10 seconds behind, could you speak up?

>>17090244
Only the shitty V6 and turbo 4 models. The V8 models are up around $40k.

>>17090399
lol GTR BTFO by an econo-box

>>17090384
still pretty cheap, considering

>>17090459
You get what you pay for. In this case, shit.

>>17090208
/thread

>>17090399
GTR btfo by two different Corvettes and a camaro

How will Nissan recover?

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>>17089813
what happen?

>>17090428
I don't know if you know how to read the table correctly, anon, but the GTR had a faster time AND went a longer distance (an extra 232m).

That's assuming that's what the far left column is, though I can't see a label since we're so far down.

Higher on the list =! "faster time"

You are now realizing that a sporty shitbox these days has more power and handles better than a Lamborghini Countach.

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>>17090725
They handled better than the Countach back in the day too.

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>>17090493
Faster shit tho

>>17090725
The Countach handles like ass so that's not saying much

>>17090208
this

its literally the same as comparing it to a rolls royce

>>17090208
Except the Zonda had a shit interior with instrumentation lifted straight out of an economy car with some chrome slapped around it

And the Huayra is the sound you make when you hurl after seeing how gaudy it is

>muh burgerring

It's a tight road course, small and light FWD drive cars have an advantage.

Let's see what those lap times look like on something like Spa or Silverstone.

>>17090941
PUG 109 would destroy the Golf GTI.

>>17091673
this

>>17091655
I don't think its as bad as people say

>>17091708
Anon the car has front end LIFT, so have fun taking corners at a snail's pace

>>17090493
It's a good car, edge fag

>>17090541
Why do you always delete your images?

>>17089813
Let's get this shit started

>THE NATION STATE OF YUROPOORIA

>>17092399
kill yourself

>>17089813
they made less than 100 of the huyra and it has a twin turbo v12 made by mercedes

also that particular model starts at well above 1.5m

>>17090941
Peugeot 205 GTI is truly the best car ever.

>>17090493
v6 camaro still does like 335 hp that's pretty good

>>17091673
b-b-but /o/ told me rwd is always better!

>>17089813
the "$1,000,000 carbon fiber kitcar with a V12" meme, should just fucking die already

>>17090208
This.
tldr version: Some cars are built for performance while the other is built for artistic purposes.

>>17091673
Then how come the heavy as shit Giulia completely btfo the lightweight BMW?

>>17092687
*autistic purposes

>>17091664
Their gauges are made by rolex

>>17093092
So Rolex slapped some nigger tier chrome around econobox gauges and charged out the ass for it?

excuses lol

>>17089825
this and
>>17090208
this

horacio pagani has said himself that he makes his cars fast because "the numbers will impress your friends at the bar" not because anybody who buys them will track them

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>>17089813

>2016 camaro beats a car's lap time made 10 years ago

SUPERCARS BTFO AND ON SUICIDE WATCH!!! HOW CAN THEY EVER RECOVER!!!???

6:30 the zonda laps the ring in

Stay btfo gm cucks

>>17094094
>telling extreme lies on the internet

>>17090146
10 seconds on a near 8 minute lap? You realize that's only a 3% or so difference between a sports car, and a car equipped with sports features?

>>17094120
>Horacio is a liar
Mhmm, okay

Even so, the 2010 zonda r still laps in 6:47

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>>17090941

>at release the 205 gti gained the fame of leaving even supercars behind in corners

Shame the body literally starts to crack if you keep driving it hard. Why must the good things always kill us /o/?

>>17089813
camaro is typical americrap. big inefficient engine in a cheap body that's fast in a straight line but terrible in a slight bend because they put literally no effort into anything other than the engine, and they still manage to get far less hp out of a huge engine than european manufacturers have been getting for years

>>17094144
Maybe 10 years ago that's what it was but now it's faster than the best BMWs

>>17094128
Not a production car (15 were made) and not street legal. An F1 car that would kill it on the track would be just as relevant at that point.

>Despite sharing much of the Zonda's shape, the R is almost entirely new, sharing only 10% of the Zonda F's components.

Also not even really a Zonda.

>>17089813
with $1.5m you could just buy a racing car.

The Zonda costs so much because it’s a luxury item. The Camaro is like a cheap digital watch and the Zonda is like a Rolex. They both do the job, and the digital watch is probably better, but the Rolex is a status symbol.

>>17094188
Damage control and damage control

>>17089813
Still slower than a Carrera GT on 13 year old tires.

>>17094226
You wish m80, stay btfo.

>>17094264
Brand new 2017 camaro is slower than a 2010 zonda, by like almost a minute
Lmao

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>>17090208
>hand painted plastic cars

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>b-but a million dollar super car IS faster than a camaro!! y-you're wrong!!!

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>17093563
Yes. Any more questions?

>>17094336
Even a Toyota minivan is faster than a camaro
So like... stay btfo

Lmao

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>>17094353
Toyota minivan > Camaro > Million dollar """supercar"""

>>17094363
6:30

Stay btfo Toyota cuck

slow pieces of shit...i can smoke the fuck out of them in my 1994 EG hatch with a couple of simple mods:

- 10 point cage with Parachute
- 3 piece discontinued JoJo frontend
- spec-R full drag suspension
- Fuel cell with -8 lines from tank to motor
- 1 044 bosch pump
- 1200 rc injectors
- golden eagle sleeved block
- cp 10:1 pistons
- Eagle rods
- arp headstuds
- oem h22 headgasket
- Balance shaft delete
- competition clutch twin disc
- Port and polished head
- skunk2 valve springs and retainers
- Str cam gears
- crower stage 1 cams
- aluminium radiator with slim fan
- gsr transmission with itr lsd.
- qsd h2k intake manifold adapter
- k20 rbc manifold
- qsd throttle body spacer
- blox 70mm throttle body
- 4bar omni map sensor
- 6al msd with coil and cap. 3 step launch control
- hks bov
- Garret 102mm turbocharger.
- Custom t4 front facing turbo manifold with 44mm flange
- 44mm tial wastegate
- Custom water to air intercooler set up
- aem eugo wideband w/ gauge
- tuned on chipped p28
- 13 inch volks drag rims
- 2 15 inch volks rear rims
- arp extended wheel studs
- si cluster
- 150 shots of nitrous

im making 248 horsepower to the FRONT WHEELS because thats the only place the power should ever be.

>>17094369
>slower than a minivan

Quiet anon, the adults are talking.

>>17094370
We did it bros!

>>17091673
>Tight
It's really not. It's full of high- and mid-speed corners.

>>17094132
Because that particular car is French.

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>>17091664

>Except the Zonda had a shit interior with instrumentation lifted straight out of an economy car with some chrome slapped around it

Honda, Zonda...no difference, right?

>>17094350
BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>>17089813
Really makes me think why anyone would buy a super car nowadays

There isn't much difference between a good modern sports car and a super car only hyper cars are relevant now desu.

>>17094591
A Camaro doesn't have prestige, and it doesn't tell everyone how wealthy you are.

>>17094784

A Camaro also doesn't have the interior and technology that a brand like Mercedes can deliver. Go ahead and try to compare the AMG GTS to a ZL1. The only similarity between them is the # of cylinders. Camaros are also everywhere. You guys are just butthurt that some people have more money than others and will find any excuse to talk shit about expensive toys.

The Mustang GT is decent, but if you want bang for the buck, get a Chevrolet Camaro.
It's faster.
It handles better.
It's more comfortable.

I want to like the Mustang since the 5.0L Coyote engine, and 5.2L Voodoo engines are fantastic, but I know where Ford cut the corners on it. On the GT, the cost cutting is the manual transmission. Said manual is the same as the previous 2011-2014 Mustang GT. So it's the same problematic Chinese-built 6 speed.

If you step up to the Shelby, the mechanical cost cutting continues. The GT350 transmission is the SAME Tremec TR3160 used in base model 4 cylinder and V6 Camaros. Go up to the V8 Camaro SS, or ZL1 and the manual transmission on offer is a bulletproof Tremec TR6060, a beloved transmission you can't get in the Mustang.

Yes the Mustang has better visibility, barely.
Yes the Mustang has a better interior, barely.
Yes the Mustang has a larger trunk opening.

But honestly, I'll take the GM compromises in exchange for rock-solid mechanicals over Ford cost-cutting the mechanicals for better subjective elements.