Why do we hate this car again?

>>17070461
Its slow, ugly, and looks like something a mom would drive her kids in yet for some reason millennials love it. Im guessing because most of them think they are chicks to begin with

It's 2017 and the damn thing is still using a 15 year old engine. It only managed to get fatter and uglier while power output remained the same
I blame it's lack of competition, Subaru doesn't need to try when there's no Evo

>>17070478
Let's also forget the fact you can easily tune it to 400hp because of that engine. Another 10 grand of parts and you'd have 600+. A car that you can buy around 33k. Fucking bench reaching shits.

>>17070510
>have 600 hp
>spin out

>>17070461
I don't get why they had to make it so ugly, what was wrong with the design of the GD, hell even the GE looks way better than this.

>>17070519
why would you spin out? its AWD

Every iteration of the WRX gets a tiny bit more power which is offset by a weight gain. I bet the old 22b could keep up with a brand new STI if it had the same tires. What's more, each iteration is more generic than the last, as Subaru moves from being "those weird guys" to another boring and safe brand like Honda.

The Mustang and Camaro are quantum leaps ahead of the shit they were a couple decades ago, while the WRX doesn't even budge. It needs a rival like the Evo again.

>>17070510
Real life isn't a Forza game.

>>17070528
I've never touched an engine irl the post

>>17070527
They're the only maker that still makes AWD sedans for non-luxury consumers

seriously the only other sedans that get AWD are expensive BMW's with Xdrive, Audi's quattro stuff, and mercedes 4matic crap. Its why people buy them.

>>17070510
>I'm retarded

>>17070461
There's no fucking hatchback anymore.
Also the hoodscoop is try-hard on a car that only has 30-some more horsepower than a modern V6 Camry.

>>17070545
hell there is no competition for the WRX/WRX STi

the Lancer Evo isn't around anymore, the only competition are a series of small hatches with the VW GTI-r and Ford RS. There are no mid size sedans with AWD at that price point.

>>17070553
>that only has 30-some more horsepower than a modern V6 Camry.
sounds pretty good coming from a 4 banger vs a 6 cylinder

>>17070510
You can hit 350whp fairly easily, then you need a block at about $4k and a bigger turbo to go higher.

It's got a bullet proof transmission, almost all mechanical diff setup, and with a bit of suspension tuning it can handle amazingly for an AWD sedan.

It's far from perfect and can break pistons with the poor factory tune, but it's a good car.


Now the WRX with the new FA20DIT and a built block can easily hit 600+ WHP for the price you're saying. Bigger turbo and a built block plus supporting mods are around $10k.

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Because this exists.

>inb4 overheating diff

As long as you're not doing long sessions at the track beating the piss out of drift mode, you're fine

I really don't understand the appeal of this car. It's obviously predicated on a rally design which is cool if you're into that type of stuff (you arent) and of course the AWD is nice. Besides that, it's a complete meme. Boxer engine is good for squeezing in the drivetrain and the lower center of gravity but I hate when people describe it as a "tuners engine". It's some piece of shit sideways 4 cyl. It's not that great. You have to remove the engine just to replace a headlight bulb. Get a nice I6 and then we'll talk kid

I think the HP is fine, dunno why everyone needs to have 1000whp today.
Personally I just dislike that it has an e-diff instead.

>>17070596
The WRX has an open diff with front wheel brake-based torque vectoring.

The STI has front and rear mechanical diffs with an adjustable center electromagnetic and mechanical diff as well as brake based front torque vectoring.

No e-diff on these cars.

>>17070590
>As long as you're not doing long sessions at the track
So, then why get one? to "floor it" half way at the red light?
To just show it off at the shitty local meet?
Clutch diffs are shit and should die.

>>17070596
Nobody is asking for GT-R levels of power, but 300 in the STI is a bit lacking in 2017. An FA25 making 360 to 390 would be great, and it's not like it would have problems putting it down.

>>17070461
It's really not that impreza

>>17070620
>So, then why get one?
>To just show it off at the shitty local meet?
Isn't that what most people do with WRX STis anyway?

>>17070642
>Track days
> Canyon carving
> Autocross

Yeah, clearly those things aren't fun to do with an STI.

>>17070591
What new rwd/awd cars on the market have good i4s or i6s that I can tune thanks to a diverse and strong aftermarket support?
Legit question, not trying to be an asshole about it.
Might get a new car in the next couple of years and I've been wondering about it.

>>17070609
Huh, nice to know, for some reason I read it and never checked if it was wrx or sti only.

>>17070637
IMO it's still plenty, it's not sluggish at all. But I guess it depends on how one drives. I like not being that overpowered if it means I can keep it high on the revs and throwing it around without much concern.
I would be more concerned about being able to track it and not have it overheat, blow up, break seals, etc.

>>17070642
Where I live STIs get thrashed around rally events, either those weird timed pace ones, or dirt/backroad rallies.

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>>17070461
fat slow riced from the factory boiracer shit with a cancer fanbase. coulda had an evo

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STI's used to be hardcore high-performance machines built for rallying

Now they are just fast Corollas

>>17070678
So I can buy an AWD turbo corolla with multiple mechanical diffs and a well setup suspension?

>>17070674
Normies think you're the same as the Subaru crowd just tied to a less successful brand because of how rare they are for how boring and cheap they are.

>>17070461
pretty ugly

>>17070478
it's really a gem of an engine though. buttery smooth for a boxer, and the power on tap. plus no direct engine so no carbon build up issues. subaru should use the engine across the lineup of its cars instead of a boyracer niche car

>>17070909
Direct injection is the way of the future when it comes to power. You can get around it with dual injectors (one in, one out).

>>17070928
it's a fucking 4 cylinder, why would you want anymore than 300hp out of 4 cylinders

>>17070937
Why wouldn't you?

>>17070938
because i don't want to replace a motor every 50k miles

>>17070943
The nice thing is that manufactures can run their engines in CAD and test cells to find the correct design to sustain that power.

Cars with high bmep aftermarket don't work because it's a bunch of fags who are unaware of fatigue limits and just bolt parts together until they can get through a few dyno pulls.

>>17070590
> buying a Ford
Are you even fucking trying.

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Im looking for an AWD hatchback with a turbo and I noticed that there aren't as many sooby hatches so I'm looking for opinions between the 2.

>>17071242
golf sportwagen

>>17070544
he means it isnt as simple as pressing a few buttons and whoosh more power no downsides. and hes right.

>>17070684
>bench-racer shops for a daily: the post

>>17070478
>it's the current year

Because 18 year old vape enthusiasts ruined the insurance rates for any prospective owner.

>>17070590
May as well buy the base 1.6 and fit a bodykit then.

>>17070525
You must be a terrific driver. Ask treequinox.

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>>17070461
>they made it bug eyed
REEEEEEEEE
>they made it hatchback only
REEEEEEEEE
>they pull out wrc
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>they made it a coupe that can be any other car brand
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>17070461
>>17071694

>>17071694
>prospective owner
A.k.a. 17 year old vape enthusiast waiting to turn 18.

>>17070609
>>17070667
The STI is getting an all electric center diff for the 2018 model year.

>>17070461
How can I hate something I dont even care about?

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>>17070545
Not american, do I wouldn't know, but doesn't dodge sell the charger with awd?

>mfw no american cars in dudeweedland
>mfw wrx sti is 92k new
Kill me senpai

I do see f150's and other pickups but that's because muhhh company cars muhh tax free import

>>17070545
Yeah and don't forget that those xdrive's quattro and other shit are not even real AWDs but FWD/RWD that give's you the second axle """"""""""when you need it""""""""""

>>17070461
lesbos are the most common user of that thing

>>17071937
Naww 24, maybe the insurance will be reasonable once I'm into my 30s.

Unfortunately mom and dad paying the insane premiums so their darling vape enthusiast can have a nice car and be popular in high school has ruined WRXs for me.

>>17070909
Boxer engines are smooth by nature

>>17070751
>evo
>cheap

so whats a good car?

>>17072661
miata

>>17071979
oh yea thats a new one, AWD charger

haven't heard if its good AWD or now

everything wrong with modern cars combined with an ancient engine

>>17072744
but i wanna go fast for cheap. what do i do?

>>17071956
They're just removing the mechanical center diff and using the electromagnetic diff only. Personally, I think it's a mistake and only there for cost savings.

>>17072781
Buy a used camaro if you want RWD. Buy a used FoST or FiST for FWD. Buy a used WRX for AWD.

>>17072827
>They're just removing the mechanical center diff and using the electromagnetic diff only.
Yeah that's what I said.

>Personally, I think it's a mistake and only there for cost savings.
I don't like it either and it turns me off from buying a new STI. I don't know what their plan is if the car has some kind of DCCD controller failure. I guess you have to get it trailered or it puts the car into FWD limp mode.

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>>17071271
How is what he said bench-racing? Bench racing is comparing fucking lap times. This is comparing two vehicles with two totally different everything.

Also I dont know why people call the new WRX/STi a corolla clone when you can literally put a GC bumper on 90s corollas.

>>17070943
Getting 150 HP/L is safe and easy with turbochargers. 350+ HP out of a 2.5L shouldn't be that hard.

Reminder in Europe you could buy an Evo IX (2.0L) with 360 HP off a dealership lot, warranty included.

>>17072929
The EJ25 STIs could have done 350 reliably pretty easily if Subaru would have just put forged pistons in it. They had them in the EJ207 all the way up to version 7 of that motor so I don't know why they thought it was a good idea to drop them at that point especially when they were having major issues with their cast pistons as soon as the cars hit the road. The FA20 can supposedly do 400 all day with beefier conrods and pistons.

2017 STI owner here. I bought it because I liked the big wing and then I did some research online and find out that everyone hates my shit.

I like it.

>>17072958
>I bought it because I liked the big wing
You're a lucky man. Everyone else gets upsold on the STI Limited just to get rid of the wing.

>>17072994

I live in the Canada so we only get STI base (no wing), Sport (wing with black rims) and Sport Tech (wing with weird alloy rims).

I went with the Sport solely because it has the black rims and wing. I didn't even know what was inside.

Why would anyone not want the wing?

>>17072955
http://www.revvedmag.com/engine-tech/dyno-testing/drift-offices-401-hp-e85-devouring-fr-s-hates-traction-control/
The FA20 is looking like a damn fine engine, just needs some fine adjustments are stock.

>>17073006
>I live in the Canada so we only get STI base (no wing), Sport (wing with black rims) and Sport Tech (wing with weird alloy rims).
Every single day I hate Subaru of North America more and more.

>Why would anyone not want the wing?
If I was buying a new STI at this point in my life I'd honestly just want the commuter car look with a neutral color like grey or black and no wing or the tiny little trunk spoiler.

>>17073007
The FA20 does look great. The only thing that makes me wonder what the fuck they were thinking are the weird offset conrods it uses that apparently start to bend at high boost numbers. If it didn't have that design "feature" I imagine they could push out pretty impressive numbers on a totally stock engine with just a tune. Still it's nothing that can't be fixed with forged parts which will hopefully be standard on any new FA20 powered STI.

>>17073045
I've still got my hopes up for a larger engine in the STi than the FA20, talks of a 2.4L being thrown around.
And of course everyone but japan gets all the weaker crap, their wrxs push 297hp.

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>>17073045

I got the dark grey metallic. It's a great colour. I sort of really wanted the red, but it just wasn't anywhere to be found and I felt it silly to wait 2 months for them to build one. The silver also looks better IMO.

I learned to drive stick in this car and I really hope the rumours of this transmission being bulletproof are true. I have ground gears for a total of probably 10 whole seconds by now.

>>17073071
I think their WRXs make the same but the Levorg makes 297 which uses the same engine. I honestly hope they just do one engine for all the STIs because whenever they do more than one everyone who doesn't get the Japanese version gets completely fucked. The EJ25s were just inferior in every way to the EJ207s but we were stuck with them.

>>17073092
The dark grey would have been my first choice. The black wheels look pretty nice as well although I'm not sure I would have spent any extra cash for them.

>I learned to drive stick in this car and I really hope the rumours of this transmission being bulletproof are true.
They are. Even the regular WRX transmission puts up with a fair amount of abuse at stock power levels.

>>17070461
it's boring

>>17073071
>>17073092
2020 STI is going to get the F(something)24DIT they're testing in the Ascent.

>>17070519

It wasnt spinning out, it was going to hot into a turn.

>>17073268
That's the one thing I don't get, why the hell are they putting in a 2.4L in something that large, no amount of Tarbo is going to make that thing tow.

>>17070553

Hoodscoop. it has a top mounted intercooler retard

>>17072929
But an Evo costs a fucking LOT compared to the Subaru.

>>17070523
It's Subaru mate. If they stumble in to a making something that doesn't look all weird and dopey, it's first in line for a redesign or dropping the model all together.

It's what makes a Subaru a Subaru.

>>17070587
>you need to change a ton of parts for it to do anything well because it's garbage from the factory
>but it's a good car

???

>>17073615
Sounds like every shitstang, Camaro, charger and brotruck

>>17071956
REEEEEEEEEEEE

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Love mine. 3rd Subaru.

(greens on snow tires winter set up)

>>17070544
thanks for letting us know youre another Forza baby that got lost.


>>>/v/

>>17070461
It's a bloated modern car with a mesozoic era engine.

In my opinion, all the former brand appeal is gone. Kinda like considering an Evo X over the Evo VIII or prior.

>>17070567

Not really. The Subaru needs to be geared so short and low that it becomes a slow and thirsty pig on the highway.

>>17075927

It's not slow though...

>>17070475

I can 100% guarantee you're a millennial trying to fit in

>>17070510
>STI
>33k
>Sti
>More than 400hp without total rebuild costing more than half the cars worth
>Camaro SS stock blows it away in every way, even a mustang lol
Sad!

>>17075959

>rwd

>awd

If you think stock RWD>tuned AWD for a drag car you're the benchiest of bench racers.

>>17075959
You could at least compare cars in the same class. Take the shitstang on dirt roads and tell me what happens.

>>17076043

They'd both be equally bad with the stock 2 inches of ground clearance. STI's stopped being gravel and dirt road rally cars a long time ago. A stock STI would last 2 minutes as a rally car. Now days the STI is pretty much is pretty much a pavement princess. Why spend $50k to be held back by a 4 cylinder when a Mustang/Camaro/Vette does the job better and cheaper?

>>17070567
>Toyota releases a new TRD AWD Toyota Camry with a turbo option that makes 340 Horsepower in 2018
Would Subaru ever recover and would you guys ever buy it over the wrx if you guys had to pick between those two?

>>17076061

Not if it's some drift button fwd biased transverse shitheap, Which it will be.

>>17076057

Me and my friend took our 06/16 stis on some old logging roads and they both did great.. I don't know what you mean by pavement princess.

>>17076057
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43kqcXTh6yk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjNOzbqyCmA
>pavement princess

>>17076068
Would you buy it if it was 5k cheaper than the wrx sti with no traction control and no drift button?

>>17076127
Not him but no, if it is a fwd biased transverse car, I'd rather just have the better setup with the subaru.

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>>17076061
Camry? Fuck no. Corolla iM? Goddamn right. That thing is practically begging for some kind of "hot" treatment. Subaru would be just fine. I see Crosstreks more than Corollas these days. It's crazy how popular that little car is.

>>17076139
>better setup with the subaru

you have literally no idea how AWD or cars work do you?

>>17076201
>a transverse engine is better than an inline engine
>all center diffs are the same and all deliver power the same way across all manufactures

>>17072890
So there is still a center diff, it just adds electromagnetic limited slip. Basically, it always provides a certain amount of power to the rear wheels. The electromagnetic part just locks it up in some situations to provide more power to the front. It's not an electromagnetic only diff and if it failed you would just get less power to the rear wheels.

It's clear you actually don't know how the DCCD system works at all.

>>17070461
success breeds jealousy

What's the bar to entry for a rally ready subie? I don't need to be pretty or win, really, just wanna tear shit up and have fun on my first go

>>17076664
Like staged rally or rallycross?

>>17076249
I actually misunderstood what they were changing for the 2018. I thought they were making the change to a torque vectoring capable clutchpack type system like in the Focus RS or Mitsubishi's AYC/ACD but they're just omitting the mechanical LSD from the regular transmission. That's kinda disappointing since they're still using their brake based ATV which is easily the most ghetto way to get a torque vectoring effect.

>>17076693
Rallycross but really either or, there are a few events in my area that come up every year in both category.

>>17076714
It is a very ghetto torque vectoring, but it works fairly well. It compliments the limited slip on the STI. I haven't found it to be intrusive at all. The differential design in the STI is quite nice for front and rear.

The electromagnetic diff is pretty interesting since it's just adjusting lockup via rapid cycling of an electromagnet. It might actually function better, honestly. I'm curious to try it, although there's no way I'm upgrading just for something like that.

>>17076721
All you need is a normal subaru for rallycross. Make sure it's in working order. Buy a skid plate and a small suspension lift if you're really worried about it. Winter tires help too.

>>17076749
So the 1-2k beater awd stuff from the 90s will do me fine? Room for improvement on them?

I could Google this but this is more engaging

>>17076749
>It might actually function better, honestly.
It probably will but it certainly doesn't help the STI feel less dated overall when their improvements are just dropping unnecessary components. People complain about the engine but the whole drivetrain is basically just as old at this point. Hopefully when they do a full refresh they'll put the effort in and catch up to where the competitors have been for years.

>>17076803
As long as the suspension and motor are in working order, yes. I'd probably almost exclusively run a beater. Surprisingly, Dodge Neons from the 90s are considered awesome for rallycross.

>>17076807
They're always improving the resolution of the computer. The mechanical diff existed for situations in which the CPU couldn't react fast enough. Taking it away isn't really a big deal.

>>17076850
>The mechanical diff existed for situations in which the CPU couldn't react fast enough. Taking it away isn't really a big deal.
I think removing it was definitely the right move considering it's likely entirely redundant at this point. It's just not really an upgrade as much as pruning components that have become obsolete with age which is a sad place to be for a car.

>>17076850
I've had a lot of people try to buy my shit neon for like 500 dollars, guess that's why. Maybe I could just take that, but it's automatic and beat from 4 winters of crashes... Guess I wouldn't want to run a nice one anyways though

>>17076902
It's a winning formula for a car though. They're extremely fun to drive. I imagine that we might see one with a newer motor, but honestly, my bets on a hybrid electric coming in the future. Look at what they did with the hybrid crosstrek. Just take that, make it more performance oriented, and you get a highly modern AWD system ready for the future.

>>17076906
Do that shit. Sounds perfect for rallycross. Just make sure it'll pass tech inspection. No leaks or anything falling off basically is all that's required. I'd make sure your fluids are up to date and other basics too.

>>17076915
If they go with a hybrid the thing is gonna weigh close to 4000 pound which is genuinely pigfat.

>>17070461
The wheelbase and track keep getting bigger which makes the car less fun. It's also sporting an ancient engine.
>>17070527
Overall I think they've done a fair job of not getting too fat given what the government demands. It's still lighter than the Evo ever was.

>>17076974
The hybrid crosstrek only weights 3500lbs, so I doubt it's a big deal, honestly. It's not a battery driven hybrid, it's all driven by the motor.

>>17077014
That's 350 pounds more than the non-hybrid though and the STI already comes in at 3400 pounds. The Crosstrek also only had a tiny 15hp electric motor whereas a performance orient hybrid would need a more powerful one.

>>17077179
Yeah, it's also significantly older and the STI isn't due to be refreshed for a few more years. I wouldn't count it out just yet.

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>>17070461

>>17077194
Yeah we'll see. I'm not opposed to performance hybrids on a philosophical level, I just don't think they're ready for the 40,000 dollar car segment.

>>17077216
Check the difference in weight, also perhaps how the Skyline was supposed to be an all out performance car and the WRX is not an all out performance car.

>>17077240
Yeah, there are lots of ways they could go. A newer motor would be fine. Their chassis has been getting better and better, they always improve in numbers with each generation. Maybe they just need a newer motor.

>>17077216
>as tested

As tested the Mustang beat the M3 BMW in a 1/4 mile drag race. BTFO BMW FAGS.

>>17077259
doesnt change anything.

>>17076123
It is like watching a pig wallow in mud. I am fascinated.

>>17077289
Either you're retarded or the worst troll I've ever seen.

>>17070751
why would you buy a car to appease normies?

heavy, slow, awd, and too expensive for us to afford

>>17077477
3300 pounds isn't heavy for an AWD sedan with 300hp

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>>17077323
>its ok this cars shit because it was meant to be that way

looks nice tho

Are they still good rally cars?

>>17070461
>We are one hivemind

>>17070461
it's fucking fat and looks like it as well

>>17077484
it is for a "sports car"

>>17077216

> New cars are garbage because the cheap, more fuel efficient, wont kill you in a fender bender, base model of an entry performance sedan is only a bit faster than the top of the line all out sports car

I'm not sure what's garbage here. New cars or your brain.

>>17078461
I thought the whole deal about WRC cars is that they weren't sports cars

>>17070461
I'm always disappointed every time I see a new WRX. All the older models had a common look to them but the newer ones just look so different and not in a good way.

>>17078479
no.
they just realised a smaller nimbler car is better to manuever tight roads.
that's why they all move to fiesta, yaris, polo, etc and why subaru never won and they ragequit.

>>17073351
That doesn't make it look less stupid.

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>>17070461

>>17079105

Opinions

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>>17078524

They just won at the Oregon trail rally for the 3rd time and recently the New England rally..

>>17079522
Well your opinion is WRONG

>>17079689
It's functional friendo get over it

>>17070510
>this is what yuropoors actually believe.

>>17079689

Yea man it actually works.. just because you're young and poor ;(

>>17075987

>Sti
>Drag car

You're not even on the right bench, anon.

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>Oversteers
>Understeers
>Engine is almost old enough to get a driver's license
>AWD system is fine but not that great
>Horrible stigma against its fambase spouting monster stickers and "a few simple mods" benchracing
>Not the most comfortable DD in the world
>Parent company now focuses on marketing to concerned mothers
>Drivetrain components cant handle much power over stock
>GPS system automatically redirects any destination to the nearest vape contest or shop
>Exhaust note is just a bunch of angry bees
>See above for things other people will make fun of you for owning one

>>17079954
>Drivetrain components cant handle much power over stock
Nigger what? The drivetrain is the only part of the car that doesn't limit the power you can put down.

>>17079954
>Oversteers

It hardly does even on a sharp turn going in hot

>Understeers

A little bit, I'd shift my focus to the loose indirect steering

>Engine is almost old enough to get a driver's license

Even better plenty of aftermarket and reliable gains when built properly

>AWD system is fine but not that great

The STI's AWD system is great, offers controls to split the power to rear wheels if you want it's a good mechanical system that doesn't shut off after a few hard laps

>Horrible stigma against its fambase spouting monster stickers and "a few simple mods" benchracing

I don't let a fanbase decide which car I buy


>Not the most comfortable DD in the world

It shouldn't be it's not a WRX

>Parent company now focuses on marketing to concerned mothers

Yeah that, and true rally boyracers

>Drivetrain components cant handle much power over stock

This is very wrong the STI transmission is bulletproof

>GPS system automatically redirects any destination to the nearest vape contest or shop

Mine doesn't have GPS sadly

>Exhaust note is just a bunch of angry bees

I'd say angry puppers but okay

T. 2005 STI owner

>>17070510
Thats not very good numbers, my car from 1992 which I bought for 3k can hit 400-450 awhp with a turbo,injectors and a tune ($1500).

>>17080071
Yeah, not for long

>>17070475
>looks like something a mom would drive her kids in
No it doesn't. It doesn't have a huge ass without spoiler.

We hate it because it looks boyracer, it's every idiot's go-to when they talk of "hooning" with a shit-eating grin.

>>17078524
what, subaru has been constantly winning rallies across Europe and North America, and the Just entered China with a Crosstrek.

>>17070553
>This looks sort of like the plastic thing I screwed onto my Civic's hood
>This means it isn't functional
kys

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>>17070590
>interior

>>17070678
They have always been fast Corollas, nothing more

>>17071858
when did they ever do a hatch only?

most people forget that when made this was a car which with a few slight mods could go on a race, be it road or dirt. Nowadays only thing that races are silhouette cars which only share similarity with road going cars. Don't forget current rally cars don't come standard with awd in road going version. Truth to be told ej207 and ej257 are "old" engines compared to modern ones but as is the case with 4g63t it is easily tuneable to make much more. Even after so much years they are still most common race engines especially in group N in rally and are only engines that can survive that much beating. Be honest- when those cars came out you would be watching a race and say "Hell, that is the car i drive on the road", and now you see something that resembles your car but has absolutely no connection.

I currently drive a 06 hawkeye STI with approx 400 whp (forged pistons, straight pipe, larger ball bearing turbo) as a DD. I want to see if the focus rs and golf r will be in such a good condition in 10 years

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>>17079954
Oversteers
>Understeers

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>>17080457
why did you post an old interior? Were you running late to the vape shop and needed to find something quick?

>>17081270
Lol dashboard looks same as sti, only difference is bigger LCD and buttons spammed everywhere

>>17080021
This is accurate.

>>17078461
Sorry about your "autism"

>>17071956
Thank god I bought a 2016

>>17070461
Same horsepower as a V6 Mustang. Cost $12,000 more. Literally the price of a GT Mustang. What's the point of an STI at that point?

>>17077259
If you want to talk about weight you stupid bitch look at the power-to-weight
Skyline: 8.35KG/1kW
WRX: 7.63KG/1kW

Not to mention muh AWD

>>17083240

No one gives a damn about a common corolla mustang.

>>17083332
And no one gives a damn about 15 year old shitty vape kid tech.

>>17083240
Are you implying that horsepower is the only useful measure of a car's worth?

It's honestly a fucking embarrassing car to drive. I'm not one to spout leddit memes but every single person driving these is a skinny numale who vapes. Not being ironic or anything, it's just the entire image is ruined.

Great job to subbies marketing team,but the car can't be taken seriously. Same exact problem with the M3

>>17070461

It's like the "alt-right" vs antifa, literally the internet irl.

>>17070475
>slow
what car do u drive?

>>17083240
what? subari brz starting price is 25.5k
for mustang it's 37k
you made it sound like it was the opposite way

>>17085083
I am the >>17080948
Is that the situation in USA, or does it apply to all the parts of the world? I am in Europe, non-smoker and generally in sports (mma,bicycle etc) and don't fit the stereotype. Subaru STI is pretty uncommon here, only met a few guys who drive it (most "street racers" drive VAG cars because the parts are widely available) and they were all late 20's to late 40's guys with decent jobs which were pretty chill and nothing similar to what you described.

>>17070461
Subaru lost its teeth basically, they went from dominating the WRC to making weird SUVs for soccer moms who don't want/can't afford a Volvo or ricers who vape outside of boba shops dressed in all kinds of retarded-looking "streetwear" and obnoxiously colored Jordans.

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>>17078471
>top of the line
Its a gtst literally not the top of line

>fuel efficient
go buy a prius faggot

>all out sports car
Like I said it is one of the base models, not to mention its nearly THIRTY fucking years old. Lmao defend your slow pigfat subashit on reddit

>>17088145
Lose some weight, and ditch those vans kiddo

>>17088158
thats not me lmao how would I have taken the photo

>>17088215
Same way he did, I'm not the guy you are arguing with but I had to step in when some chucklefuck claims a GTR is superior when they shouldn't even be compared

>>17087983
They do what the market wants, kid.