Cheap Turbos

>>17064641
>cheap turbo
>it works

Pick one.

>>17064647
Do hundred dollar turbos on Ebay work?

find it on junkyard? like the one on Volvo, Subaru, mitsu Nissan etc ?

>>17064641
Also, what car?

>>17064641
Buying a cheap turbo is like bending your engine over, dropping its drawers, and tattooing "INSERT FOREIGN OBJECT HERE" right above its asshole.

>>17064657
>>17064665
My car is a 2005 Nissan 350Z.

>>17064641
you do realise you can't just bolt a turbo on, yeah?

>>17064676
Have you considered suicide?

>>17064693
Sucide after getting a turbo. If it is shit and I die, then that's okay too.

>have n/a engine
>bolt on ebay turbo
>don't adjust anything
>engine explodes the second you hit boost

>>17064702
Fuck off child, no one here is gonna spoon-feed you X turbo is best cheap turbo for yer fat nip shitbox

>>17064654
Short answer, no. If you do want a turbo car there are three ways of going about it.

1. Buy a turbo car
This is the lowest effort but might not work if you're attached to your current car.

2. Do what >>17064665 said
There are other Nissan engines that are turbocharged and may swap in RELATIVELY easily. Key work relatively

3. Turbo your current engine, but do it properly
This one would probably be the most costly option. Turbos aren't a simple as installing a ricer CAI or sicc rimz yo. You will need the correct parts, help from a professional who knows how to tune the engine properly and, as I mentioned before, a pile of cash.

>>17064720
meant to link >>17064657

Thanks, this helps the most. Buy a car that is already turboed or engine swap. Thanks.

>>17064730
If you can't handle posting here properly

Just fuck off

This board has become so infested with normal faggots it is disgusting the amount of people that are actually attempting to help you

>>17064720
>Thanks, this helps the most. Buy a car that is already turboed or engine swap. Thanks.

>>17064753
I replied to the wrong person. I meant to thank the other guy who was giving me advice. Have a nice day. You seem pretty angry. It is not a good idea to be angry for some guy you will never meet again online.

>>17064641
the cheapest way is to do it the right way. or use a supercharger instead

>>17064783
Thanks man. I will keep that in mind. Do it the right way or use a supercharger. I will see what I can find.

>>17064753
>how dare someone on this automotive board ask for automotive related advice
>how dare you pollute /o/ with anything other than gtr vs vette shitposting
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>17064808
Thanks for backing me up. You guys have been really helpful. I am a normalfag who has been lurking here for 2 years, but just recently finally took the step to buying a sports car and modifying it to suit my needs. Again, thank you.

>>17064797
A supercharger is going to set you back over 5K so don't get your hopes up.

What do you guys think of this cheap turbocharger?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VF4NQTC/ref=s9_acsd_zwish_hd_bw_b13zBt_c_x_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-8&pf_rd_r=309EXJ9NCBY70ZVV90PX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=981e8a62-fb35-577b-866a-ec23ed0b529d&pf_rd_i=15726541

>>17064647
you can build your own turbo. this technology isn't even that complicated.

where it gets amazing is when you bring new concepts to the table, like deliberately misfiring so the exhaust ignites and spins the turbine even faster. THAT is when you need to trust the professionals.

>>17064847
>this technology isn't even that complicated.

Do you even know what turbocharging a car entails? It's not as simple as putting it on and going.

>>17064857
yeah, a lot of shit. but it's still simple. you're compressing air, and controlling heat in its simplest iteration

>>17064843
I think it's missing an intercooler, a lot of pipes, shop time to install, and a $500+ dyno tune.

>>17064843
I wouldn't buy a turbo without inspecting the bearings.

That doesn't even mention bearings. the only instance on the page is some guy saying the bearing "spins freely" in a review. I don't even know if it's a ball bearing or not.

>>17064864
>you're compressing air, and controlling heat in its simplest iteration

It's more complicated than that. A naturally aspirated engine is not built to be turbocharged. There are many things that one would need to take into consideration aside from the basics of how a turbo works. You can't just squeeze more air into the cylinder and call it a day.

>>17064705

It's the Haggard Garage way!

Really, the actual turbo is the easiest part of the problem, just buy the best you can afford.

You'll also need more fuel so you don't run lean and kaboom, so add in upgraded pump and bigger injectors.

You'll need management, which can be complicated. Megasquirt? AFC? Piggyback controller? New ECU? Who's going to tune it and how? Lots of options here.

Exhaust will need to be changed, obviously manifolds will need to be compatible with the turbo/s you get, but also your downpipe will need to bolt up. Lots of planning and welding, or big money for a pre-built setup?

Also, you'll need oil and maybe coolant for the turbo, both feed and drain, pretty simple to plumb all this, but it's something else to think about.

Intercooler and plumbing? BOV if needed? Studs, bolts, gaskets, maintenance stuff you need to pay attention to with the extra power?
Head gasket upgrade? Head studs?

All the shit you're gonna break from having moar powah and driving like an asshole?

See what I'm saying? The turbo is only the beginning. Start googling, start reading forums for your car and see what other people have done and what works. Start saving your money.

>>17064883
but that's still the premise. if you want to talk about differences, we have to go down to the fuel itself.

Personally I'd turbo a diesel engine without hesitation.

>>17064892
What the fuck are you on about.

>Personally I'd turbo a diesel engine without hesitation.

Have fun blowing that shit up.

>>17064921
you're retarded

>>17064923
Explain.

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Just get some NAWS you dummy

>>17064720
Dude don't listen to this fucking idiot. eBay turbos work 100% fine. Anyone who says differently is a retard who is mad they spent 2k on a turbo setup getting equal power as a $100 turbo.

BoostedBoiz have been running an eBay turbo in their 600hp h22 civic for over a year with zero issues. Also running eBay turbos on their 400hp civic 4wd wagon, on a geo, and more i'm forgetting. Don't fall for the expensive turbo meme.

>>17064925
diesel fuel ignites at the moment of compression, when its injected.

it can handle massive compression gasoline engines cannot. its exhaust gasses powers a turbine more efficiently than gasoline.

a 2 stroke diesel cannot function without a roots blower or compressor of some kind. they are ideal for turbo

>>17064843
Save and get a shop to do it. You can't go on the cheap with something this complicated

>inb4 100 autistic comments saying ecu tuning is super easy and supporting mods are a joke

>>17064930
NOS is a meme. that fuel shouldn't be in a piston engine.

I'd use it in a turboshaft engine and turn that baby on at high speeds to take over for the regular engine.

>>17064935
For the last time, it's not as easy as just putting the damn thing on. There are more things that you need to think about. Please learn more about how an engine works before calling others retarded.

>>17064641
>go to pick n pull
>find tarbo car
>aquire tarbo

>>17064943
you didn't even know how diesel fuel is ignited, retard.

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>>17064942
>Nitrous
>Fuel

Pic relted you

N2O is used to increase the amount of air in the engine, just like other superchrging systems do, the nitrrous is not fuel, it is used to cooldown the mixture

Fucking google it cunt

>>17064641
Audi

>>17064951
The way the fuel is ignited is not the problem here. Just stop posting.

>>17064753
You sound really fucking stupid. You're actually getting mad that someone asked a question about cars on the board for this topic. And you're even more perturbed that people are helping him? You're the kind of autism that needs to be eradicated.

>>17064958
your utter retardation is the problem

a turbo is an air compressor. you literally just compress the cylinders.

that's it. game over.

radiator cooled. no meme blow off valve

>>17064962
>you literally just compress the cylinders

I'm done feeding the troll. kys you'reself desu senpai.

>>17064969
I mean, you're probably trying to just jew people into expensive turbos. let's look at the facts

1. you know nothing about cars - you didn't know anything about diesel fuel.
2. you don't know how the fuel even relates to turbo, when its exhaust is what runs the entire system
3. you think a fan and a radiator is complex technology
4. you shill against doing things for yourself and being independent.

if you're not a jew. you are easily the dumbest fuck I've witnessed today.

>>17065126
ayo
*waits for spool up*

>>17064970
Idk, he sure is a special kind of dumb.

>2 stroke diesel cannot function without

>>17065149
2 stroke diesels can't be naturally aspirated, dumbfuck.

>>17064921
>have fun blowing that shit up
but turbo diesels are a well established engine type. are you fucking retarded?

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>>17065155
I know, lol.

>>17065170
I'm pretty sure he's not talking about an engine that's meant to be turbocharged.

>>17065179
an engine is just a pump made of metal.

>>17065182
And a nuclear power plant is just a steam generator.

>>17065190
and a neutron generator, but yeah.

>>17064641
>poorfag
>cheap turbo

Pick one.

Turboing your car on the cheap will only cost you more in the long run, whether it's buying the good parts later or swapping in a fresh engine because you blew the original one up.

Your call.

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>>17065242
People on ls1tech are doing turbo setups with 200 dollar ebay turbos and their cars are lasting years with no issues.
Ebay turbos can be pretty decent.

>>17065182

And sometimes, those lumps of metal get pretty crazy once IMEP gets above 32 Bar. There are plenty of things that shouldn't have a turbo because they weren't meant to; 3208 CAT is a great example. You can easily bolt up the manifolds and turbo from a 3208TA to a 3208B, but that doesn't change the two pissy little rings and the itty bitty ring land. Get 30 Bar above the crown and the ring end gap closes, bites the bore and wrecks the piston.

Some things just aren't meant to have the strain of a high dynamic compression ratio.

If op is on a budget, what about a reconditioned Holset HX35 or a HX40, a reco Borg Warner or something like that. Youre getting an older design but a good build quality where some of the Asian turbos are an old design and a bit sub par.

>>17065249
why not a holset?

>>17065611

>ring end gap closes

So gap the rings more...even hacks that slap a 250 shot of nitrous on a dead stock 4 cylinder know enough to do that. Yeah, you have to pull everything apart to do it, but other than time it's a free mod that'll keep you from blowing shit up.

Agree on the Holsets though, the stock ones that come on most Dodge diesel pick up trucks can usually be found at not-quite-insane prices, and last I knew, maps showed good performance and negligible restriction for twins on engines up to about 5.0L, redline assumed at 6500 RPM I believe. That was several years ago though, back when used ones came off 12 valves. The newer ones probably flow a fair bit better by now.

Pick n pull. Look for diesel engines.

>>17065621
cuz it's 200 dollars...

I realize this is 4chan so bs answers are a given but I'll answer this as straight forward as possible...

Never buy a used turbo unless you know every detail of its past life...

For a cheal, New turbo...crx racing is your best bet. But more important is fuel/ignition control. To do it on the cheap, look at getting megasquirt especially if you need a controller that is truly universal

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>>17064676
>My car is a 2005 Nissan 350Z.

350z owner here. I was going to turbo mine, started to save $$$ for that. Ended up getting a supra and using 350z as a daily.

The pic is twin t04e on VQ35DE. I'd recommend going with either holset or BW turbos, they are reliable and you can rebuild them for cheap.


BTW You can utilize stock exhaust manifolds but that's not recommended.

>>17065688
You can also get VQ30DET, it drops right in (except the crossover pipe), you can reuse your transmission/flywheel/etc. It's very cheap, you can have easy 400whp with upgraded turbo/injectors/tune and unopened engine.

>go to junk yard
>find SAAB with B205R or B235R.
>remove turbo
>?????
you now have a mitsu td04 turbo which is a pretty good turbo. With any routine maintenance they generally last forever. The intercoolers on the 9-3SE wasn't bad either.

>>17065712
OP what are your plans on engine management?

fuel system?

clutch?

exhaust/intake? are you going to fabricate all that yourself?

>>17064932
>Dude don't listen to this fucking idiot. eBay turbos work 100% fine. Anyone who says differently is a retard who is mad they spent 2k on a turbo setup getting equal power as a $100 turbo.

Some of ebay turbos aren't balanced.

Some require disassembling and cleaning due to metal chips in CHRA oil channels.

Often it's a lottery. And you know your chances right

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>>17065249
>People on ls1tech are doing turbo setups with 200 dollar ebay turbos and their cars are lasting years with no issues.

care to share few links on such builds?

>>17064888
This guys 100% right. There are so many supporting mods you need to be able to use the boost the turbo generates. Don't forget driveline stuff like clutch or diff may also need upgrading or bracing.

As for getting an actual cheap good turbo. The Borg Warner Airworks SXE range is great budget turbo (esentially same as the EFR but without the built in wastegate/recirc valve). Or alternatively getting an older second hand Garret GT or large OEM turbo.

For a 350z its quite a cramped bay, so you are really best off getting turbo kit for your model car (dont get a ebay one). This will addess the manifold and hoses and general fitment so you don't need to be the guinea pig getting shit to fit.

>all these people wanting junkyard garbage

just get an entire kit off of ebay and dont go wasting money on junkyard garbage since you will still have to buy everything else

>>17065802
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/1643946-ebay-gt45-turbos.html

>>17064641
The turbo is like half the price or even less of actually turbocharging a car so if you cant even afford one you're off to a bad start. Anyway, here are some options that minimize tha chance you need a new turbo before dyno tune is over.
>Go on craigslist/ebay and find a decent used turbo, T4/T25 are good options because wrx/evo/nissan people would usually swap them out for bigger ones which makes them cheap and abundant.
>scrapdive for a turbo that came off an tdi or needs some fixing, negotiate a dirt cheap price then spend a few bucks gettng it in decent shape and run that.
Beware that proper tuning and a decent ecu are gonna run you like a $1000, not to mention the future drivetrain upgrades, so you're better off buying an already turbocharged engine/mission combo and just dropping it in like the other Anon pointed out. An SR20 with like 30k miles straight outta Japan runs like $1-1.5k and you can get a 2jz with 5speed starting from $3-3.5k which is pretty much what a decent shot at turbocharging costs.

>>17065822
supports mods depend on planned boost/whp.

Going with like 400whp on stock/unopened VQ35DE is considered "safe limit" by m350z/forced-induction folks.

The cheapest option seems to be getting used UTEC + MAP sensor, bigger injectors, fuel pump, FPR, turbo + all required piping. HD clutch.

>>17065843
>Beware that proper tuning and a decent ecu are gonna run you like a $1000,

it's over $2000 actually, unless it's a piggy-back or a re-flash.

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>>17065838
>I felt a little better with this turbo because I could actually call cxracing and get some real world and tech advice on the unit. I probably read all the threads where guys say you get what you pay for (and in a lot of cases thats true), on the other hand I probably read the same amount where these Ebay GT45's performed flawlessly for a lot of guys.

so consensus is you get what you pay for.

>>17065920
And 200 is apparently enough to get something good, what a wonderful world we live in.

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>>17065928
>And 200 is apparently enough to get something good, what a wonderful world we live in.

unless you got a lemon and lost $200 for nothing but a huge paperweight. money well spent.

>>17065983
Chances are very high that the part will work well, and for a long time.
I'm okay with this.
Also, cute.

Why are people afraid of cheap/ebay turbos?

What's the worst that can happen?
What does happen?

>>17064753
Kill yourself immediately

>>17066010
Something sixes and breaks in the turbo. Then you either have a piece of metal flying into your intake manifold through the valves and into a piston which will not stop until it breaks or something else stops it. Or metal shavings get into the oil and that oil goes into your engine and there's increased friction and head and you destroy your cylinder walls and break other parts. Now the same thing can happen by dropping a valve cover screw down your intake so take it with a grain of salt

>>17066010
If you put a turbo on a NA engine will increase the compression ratio and it may cause the fuel to ignite prematurely causing all sorts of problems.

Idealy a turbo should only increase the volumetric efficancy.

>>17065858
Depends on where you live, you can pick up a Megasquirt ECU off ebay starting at like 400-500 bucks for a decent one. Dyno tunes in my area run cheap, since most tech inspection places have dynos and rent is dirt cheap so it's just a matter of finding a good tuner. Otherwise dyno rent+tune is gonna run you 1000+ alone, so you make a good point there.

>>17066010
>too poor to afford a good turbo setup
Then you are too poor to fix it when something invariably ex-fucking-plodes, you dumb cunt. End you're life.

>>17066010
people have no experience and think horror stories are the only truths in the world

same reason people shit on Rotas

they are ignorant

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>>17066010
>Why are people afraid of cheap/ebay turbos?

You can getter turbo for a hundred or two over Chinese Scheiße. Like a holset, BW, or a used turbo (+ rebuild).

>What's the worst that can happen?

compressor wheel shutters and compressor housing may not contain its pieces. Excessive oil leak.

small parts can go through inter cooler right to cylinders and damage valves, pistons, cylinder walls. All that is very unlikely though. Most people replace inter cooler as it's hard to impossible to remove debris out if it.

>What does happen?

Unless it's total POS with metal shavings and stuff in CHRA oil passages it's pretty safe for engine: bushings & seals wear out quickly due to sub par quality/balance (engine oil in intake -> blue smoke & oil consumption), if you do nothing either turbo or compressor wheel will interfere with housing and either scratch it or shutter.

>>17066125
you need drive-by-wire to control one throttle body for VQ35DE and two throttle bodies for VQ35HR.

you need to control VVT on either two or four cams.

CAN support is kind of mandatory.

Also I haven't heard about anyone using MS as a standalone on 350z's, probably there is a reason for that.

>>17064641
I bought a CT26 tarbo on ebay for $180, and it lasted 20k miles before I sold the car

When it fails you can just replace the CHRA for even cheaper. I know lots of guys who go through about chinese turbo every 2.5 years or so.

>>17065126
>not mounting this on a tesla

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>>17064641
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVveg2sE3CA
lots of shit box turbo

>>17064944
This is the cheapest option if you insist on turbocharging a car you already have. However, check your compression ratio. You'll probably want lower compression pistons unless you know what you're doing or want to blow up your engine.

>>17065630

If the motor is open, I'd be switching slugs. End gap doesn't add material to the ring land.

>>17065611
you're going to want to replace your head gaskets with copper. every time.

copper will deform before it breaks. save your engine.

>>17067744

I've tried annealed copper on a blown SBC and had a lot of problems sealing the water jacket. Coolant could then get under the gasket, get to the fire ring, turn into steam and lift the gasket. I went back to MLS but with o rings on the water jacket ports with a groove in the head, never leaked until I sold it and it probably didn't leak for him either.

Not a huge fan but that's only one engine and two heads.

>>17067887
you can't use copper straight up, you have to machine a steel ring into it deforms and squishes into the grooves- sealing it.

>>17067890

Do you think I made a blown SBC out of spare parts and sandpaper? The block and both heads were prepped for copper but like many people I had issues sealing water jackets. Maybe I wouldn't have had so many problems if the block was grout filled to the top but it was half filled so it could still have a water jacket on the street.

>>17064641
This is how the poor stay poor.

>>17067918
Yeah I re-read your post and realized I fucked up. I've never had to deal with a water jacket.

>>17067930

There's pros and cons but from my experience and talking to a few guys with similar issues it can be hard to seal up a wet motor with copper but where I live it's too hot to have a grout filled block on the street and just pump water through the heads.

I like MLS gaskets, had a good run with them when the jackets get an o ring.

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>>17067087
it doing such stuff requires access to at least tig/mig welder and lots of knowledge.

it depends on engine but usually you can boost like 0.4-0.5bar safely on almost any motor on pump gas.

Going with e85 (along with supporting mods like much bigger injectors) and choosing stout engine could net very serious power on unopened motor. Like over 400-500whp on 2.4L honda motor, or over 600whp on M104.996 and alike.

>>17065784
Yea I'll take my rebuilt Mitsubishi 16g any day. Even if it makes less power, I'll save for something bigger.

>>17065802
Look up Sloppy Mechanics on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJii51q5VoE&list=PLqqxeQgIg6f_aUNwnszuqtNA5mak2-Y9i

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>>17071206
that's the most logical solution.

I personally went with brand new Borg Warner turbo, the SXE series. reliable, efficient compressor, cheap rebuild. the main drawback it's not watercooled and its frame is really big.

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>tfw your borg warner s252sx-e will be here in 4 days and the plebs are discussing China snails

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>>17072424
>>tfw your borg warner s252sx-e

pffft

56mm turbo on hayabusa on 66mm on supra

why are going with 52mm turbo? Are you going to turbo your lawnmover??

>>17073181
s366sx-e aka 9180 on supra
sorry for previous post, i'm drunk

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>>17073190
Yfw the s252 has a 550hp max output

15k miles and 1 year on my gt35 eBay turbo. Works great but the manifold it came with is paper thin Shit. Don't buy anything on the exhaust from China, either buy quality or build yourself. But yes the cheap turbos themselves work great

>>17064843
I'm only answering because I'm a fellow vq owner and you're catching a lot of shit. My advice is in the price range you're looking for to avoid any form of forced induction. The Greddy TT kit is the best premade kit on the market and costs $6500+. I'd advise buying two Garrett t35 turbos and finding a reputable shop to make a custom fab kit for you and tune it. The block is safe to about 400hp before it pushes a connecting rod through the block, so it's a good idea to buy new forged rods and pistons and lower the compression ratio while you're at it, also upgrade fuel management. Nothing is cheap for our cars get used to it, if you try to short cut you WILL blow up your engine and a replacement is $8000

>>17064641
TURBONETICS. They're not peasant shit, not that expensive too. Just don't go the EBAY turbo way, as tempting as it may look. If you're too much of a poorfag, start sourcing truck & volvo turbos and rebuild them!

>>17074020
>Yfw the s252 has a 550hp max output

"max output" is very vague term

also runing a turbo close to maximum possible flow isn't very efficient, both compressor and turbo are out of their best efficiency islands

>>17064641
http://www.zageturbo.com/

>>17074176

fucker.

I was going to buy a $400 ebay turbo kit and just get a better turbo and bov.
Now you're saying the pipes are shit?