Why do people hate 3rd gen Camaro's

nobody hates them other than normies

Fox platform is better

>>17064057
Big, heavy, ugly, slow, primitive, poorly built, and the redneck stigma.
In fact, there aren't any redeeming qualities.

Any more questions?

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Because only murderers drive them.

>>17064116
what's your favorite color

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>>17064057
I dont. I miss mine. Been thibking about another but with kids i really need another 3 row (already have a suburban). Been looking at Landcruisers/lx450s latley.

>>17064057
it's not a Firebird

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>>17064057

ugly
heavy
slow
bad build quality
horrible interior
bad reputation

aka its overall shit like pretty much every car America made in the 80s

>>17064980
>with kids i really need another 3 row
Fucking Americans. Normal children fit into Camaro back seats. Groceries fit into its trunk. You need nothing more than a Camaro unless you have a specific need to carry very large items on a regular basis.

Since you don't know how to properly use your Camaros, just ship them all over here where they'll find better use.

If you park one wheel on the curb you wont be able to shut the door

>>17066518
i dont like the completely vertical steering wheel

>>17064057
governors that raped those 5 to 6 liter engines and limited them to around 180 hp

>>17064057

This is why

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASoqnSa1uRE

>>17064116
3300 lbs w/ a iron block v8.
heavy.

..........i'm sorry, what?

>>17066579
what

>>17066525

ugly - impossible to gauge today(were popular at the time)
heavy - just plain false.
slow - mid 14 seconds in the 1/4 mile. not too slow, but not fast either.
bad build quality - depends on what we're talking about. L98 is solid, tranny was always shit, rear end is hit or miss.
horrible interior - subjective.
bad reputation - according to?

>>17066863
i dont like it. thats all.

>>17066851

>3300 lbs
>1982
>best engine made less than 200 HP for over a decade

>>17066867
what the fuck is a "completely vertical" steering wheel

>>17066851
Mustangs of the time could be under 3,000 lbs with an iron block V8

neither one made shit for power so the Camaro is even worse

things are garbage

>>17066875
meaning it is 90 degrees from the floor of the car

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>>17066878
if you wanted lightweight you would look for a chevy monza

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>>17064057
Because it's not a Firebird

>>17066902

>Did all of 30 laps before retiring

>>17066902
which is objectively worse by every measure

if I wanted lightweight (or a good car) during that time I would not look at any American car

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>>17066917
i said light, not reliable.

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>>17066909
swap the intake and you have one hell of a car.

>>17067010
Intake+cam+heads and you're on par with a ws6

>>17067143
>just a few simple mods

>>17067157
It's a 305 don't pretend you couldn't do all that or even a fucking 350 swap in a parking lot

>>17067272
>not getting a 350 to start with
305 ain't even worth pissing on

>>17067272
doesnt matter

spending thousands to make meh performance from a 305 would be stupid

even a stock 350 is going to be slow

>>17067295
Maybe a stock 350tpi would be slow but any decent crate 350 would be pushing 320hp right out of the box

>>17067325
wrong since crate engines use gross hp (at least GM does)

so youre spending thousands to make 200 some horsepower

even then 320 is slow in this day and age

>>17067295
>thousands

Try $1400 for a 350/400 HP rebuild

>stock
Why would you swap in a stock 350

>>17066551
Maybe he has 3 kids dumbass

>>17067343
[citation needed]

because I call complete bullshit

>>17067335
Fine. Assuming you're dumb enough to start with a 305, throw in a random 350 for $500 and an afternoon, swap out the shitty intake, cam, headers, exhaust and you're down MAYBE 8k, including the cost of the car.

>>17067390
so yeah

spending thousands for unimpressive results

>>17067387

Dude, people practically throw away built 350s all the time.
You can't got to a single swap meet without stumbling over some built 350 for next to nothing.

>>17067387
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/project-cars/sucp-0910-chevy-350-engine-build/
These guys did it for a grand, including the cost of the engine

>>17067393
>400hp
>8k
>unimpressive

>>17066551
>t.foreveralone

Car seats and boosters don't work very well with 3rd/4th gen back seats because of the way the bottom of the seats are shaped. Not to mention the need to be a contortionist to place and extract your children from back seat in said Camaro.

But you have a lot of first had experience with having kids or 3rd/4th gen f-bodies, obviously.

>>17067393
400hp isn't unimpressive you stupid fuck. And if "thousands" are too much you shouldn't be owning a car in the first place.

>>17067387
>junkyard 350 for anywhere between $0-$400
>nab whatever other bits you can find while there
>machining work for a couple hundred
>cams
>head for 400
>MAYBE another couple hundred for a good carb if you didn't find one in the junkyard
>no swap kit because it bolts right the fuck in
>tune it yourself because you went carbed like a fucking man
>walk away with at least 350HP and innate knowledge of the vehicle you put together yourself and take a bath in the money you didn't spend

Cry more

>>17067393
Oh right I forgot built racecars go for 4k these days

>>17067422
>not nigger rigging a booster seat into each t-top

>>17067395
yeah and I know most of them dont make 400hp either lol

not a citation either

>>17067403
>400 gross hp

wow its fucking nothing

probably makes like 240-250 to the wheels and maybe 300 net


>>17067407
I could make 400+whp for less than $1000 on my 4 banger

if you spend that much money you better be making a lot more than 400

>>17067424
LMFAO

in no world is 400hp impressive from a goddamn 5.7L V8

its embarrassing if anything

thought these things were supposed to be good

My dad and I rebuilt one for essentially free. We bought a peice of garbage one for a few hundred bucks, then bought 3 or 4 more for a couple hundred bucks(not at the same time and these ones were complete shit) and we stripped all the usable parts of the really bad ones, recycled the body for the same price we bought the cars for, used all the parts we could, kept some in case we might need them, sold a lot of parts on Craigslist/eBay. Used all that money to pay for a new paint job, reupholstered the seats, and bought an I-ROC 350(ours had a 305)

>>17066551
>just ship them all over here where they'll find better use
In a garage due to the stupidly high gasoline prices?

>>17067426
so you still end up with a slow car that you spent thousands on

cool

pretty much lost any respect I had for the sbc itt

>>17067426
All-lowercase-no-punctuation guy is a baitposter. You don't have to reply.

>>17067439
HP/$, not HP/lb is the point of a 350 you idiot

But sure let's see that 400hp 4pot of yours

>>17067439
>I could make 400+whp for less than $1000 on my 4 banger
Yeah for 20 seconds and then your eBay turbo blows the engine up. A 350 wouldn't even flinch at 400hp

>>17067448
>$1400
>thousands
Slow by exactly what metric Mr.400HP Is Nothing?

/o/ has some fucking retards in here

>>17067451
yeah but its not even impressive

pretty much every 4 banger Honda does a better job

even Ford is better for the budget

>>17067452
nope

it even held up to a 75 shot of nitrous for a while before blowing after being ran at 440whp on junkyard parts for a couple years

>not buying a 2JZGTE for $800 that can make 500 with just nitrous and fuel upgrade

Its 2017

>>17067461
400 gross hp means shit

not impressed by a 300hp engine that took over $1,000 to put together in the year of 2017

sure maybe it was cool up to the 90s but now?

nah

>>17067439
>in no world is 400hp impressive from a goddamn 5.7L V8
You're right it isn't. A 350 can make 600+hp NA. Add boost and you're heading for the thousands

>>17067464
The 350 may be a boat anchor, but the 2JZ is a yacht anchor.

>>17067464
this
pushcucks itt defending their shit engines, lmao

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>>17067471
Yet there are no 350 chevys running the quarter in 5 seconds

>>17067462
Holy shit dude, 75 shot! That's badass! Vroom vroom very fast haha!

>>17067476
5 seconds is also fucking ridiculously fast and requires a vehicle built solely for the strip. Kinda irrelevant to street rods. And another point, the 2JZ isn't a bolt-in for the third Gen f bodies.

>>17067468
yeah at least 600hp is nice

but damn people make over 300whp with NA Hondas displacing only 2.x liters and well over 1000whp with boost too

these things just arent that great in this day and age

>>17067477
because somehow 400 gross hp is impressive from a 5.7L but over 500whp (and probably 600 lb ft of torque) from a 2.2 isnt

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>>17067467
>over $1,000
Lmao stay poor

>>17067489
Yes, modern technology had made huge leaps and bounds, but over 300whp in a low 3x00 lb car is still a lot of fun, and since people who are building third gens are actually going to be out driving them and enjoying them, I don't think they'll care about muh hp/l benchracing.

>>17067490
so basically the point of the SBC is to please poor people

but if people dont like them they are poor

makes sense

>>17067500
doesnt seem like they are doing shit but getting mad at how awful their engines are

80hp in a Daihatsu can be fun too fun is meaningless its a buzzword

>>17067489
>Hondas displacing only 2.x liters and well over 1000whp with boost too

AT
WHAT
COST

>>17067503
>fun is meaningless its a buzzword
>literally /v/ tier logic

I forgot the point of a project was to jack off to the dyno sheet, thanks for reminding me I almost had fun today

>>17067503
If a grand for a built engine is somehow too much, then yes, you are extremely poor and shouldn't be driving

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>>17067503
>fun is a buzzword
Wrap it up boys we're done here

>>17067505
It only cost me 75 cents

>>17067505
dont know
go ask someone that builds them

>>17067511
>>17067518
yup

heres the losers that cant defend something

when you cant think of a single reason why something is good its what you say

LOL ITS FUN SO ITS GUD

its elementary school logic at its finest

>>17067512
its not even a built engine though\

its a slow anchor with bolt ons that makes shit power for its size and the price youre paying

when even Hondas BTFO you on value youre doing something wrong

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>>17067529
>when even Hondas BTFO you on value

Read the sticky, it'll make you go real fast for cheap. Pretty easy and cheap for an ls swap. Also the car has beautiful taillights and girls will love it's retro look if it's kept in great condition.

>>17067543
because ARP headstuds, ebay turbo kit, slicks, and fuel pump are like all you need to run 12s


>>17067559
every girl I know thinks these cars are ugly as fuck

>>17067604
>every girl I know thinks these cars are ugly as fuck
You would be chatting up handicapped girls, wouldn't you

>>17067604
>just a few simple mods

>>17067614
nah

just girls who arent my white trash relatives or blind

>>17067622
yup

because thats all it takes

real world results

not 400 gross hp on a stand

glad I grew out of Amerishit cars

>>17067625
bet they think your 20 year old honda is real nice lmao

>>17067645
most girls like Hondas
plenty of Honda enthusiasts are girls

sooo yeah?

>>17067632
>400 gross hp
Uh huh

>>17067604
>ebay turbo kit
jesus christ everytime you post you look more dumb
>or just good bait

>>17067604
>every trap I've asked while getting butt fucked thought they were redneck cars

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>>17067656
>plenty of Honda enthusiasts are girls

>>17067529
You don't know but you swear up and down its better and more powerful for the money. Top kek.

>cam and head are bolt ons
Confirmed retard

You don't know a goddamn thing you're talking about

>>17067662
not my fault you guys dont know shit

all motor is just an expensive way to go slow

>>17067669
I have met a total of 2 women in my life who like turd gens

both were 40+ years old and smoked heavily and one even owned one

perfect match for that trashbox but still

>>17067683
you literally bolt heads on you dip shit

a cam doesnt make it built either

the irony of your fucking post lmao

>>17067691
>buying cars because of what women think of them
>ever

Stop chasing pussy and dyno numbers you chuckle fuck, buy and build what interests you, not some walking cocksleeve

>>17067703
its funny because Im not the one who brought it up it was you Camarofags

and you are also the ones posting dynos and talking about hp constantly when I gave real world results

gee anon

how much of a hypocrite can you be

Im not saying you cant like shit but Im going to make fun of you for it

>>17067691
>all motor is just an expensive way to go slow
Okay genius guess what'd happen if you hooked up an eBay turbo to a 350?

>>17067753
depends

given the shitty everything on a stock 350 it would still be garbage I bet

>>17067785
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/can-buy-small-block-turbo-kit-699-work/
Wrong. With a stock 350 these guys made 650 hp

>>17067809
once magazines get some real world power I will be impressed

dont care about engine stands

still not bone stock either

>>17067143
Don't forget swapping out the electronic carburetor.

>>17067295
The bone stock 350 in my 70 Camino made 300hp new. A motor is more than its displacement.

>>17067387
So many motors and parts on Craigslist... if you know what you're doing, you can build a hot sbc pretty cheap.

>>17067897
tpi is shit but the biggest problem with it is the intake because it was designed for the 305

>>17067911
>gross hp

so you mean it makes maybe 225-250 hp

>>17064116
>redneck stigma
not a thing

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>>17067951
Sure it's not...

>>17067719
"durr muh Honda 4pot" is not real world results. The Camaro side point is that a ~$1400 cash investment and an afternoon of time is all it takes to get a car we happen to like to acceptable power, with plenty of room to take it higher. You're trying to argue that its worthless because a Honda engine you haven't named nor have seemed to do any research on whatsoever, can do "1000HP" at a cost you haven't bothered to claim, in THE CURRENT YEAR GUYS

The whole point is it's a cheap, extremely available engine that can make decent power for a small investment and impressive power for a slightly larger one that will fit easily into a mind-boggling range of vehicles without modification to car or engine, or nothing more than a set of motor mounts.

Its good because of what it is, cheap power. Is it going to beat everything? No, what the hell did you expect from a 1400 dollar engine swap? You don't do a turd gen 350 swap to win meets, you do it to have a car with enough power to be enjoyable in a package the owner likes.

Seriously though, get over yourself

>>17067979
A Honda Civic with a $1400 investment is a 12 second car with a 1.6L SOHC

sorry your low power from a 5.7L isnt impressive not trying to argue its worthless its just not good

>>17068002
You're comparing an na 350 with a turbod 1.6 though. A turbod 350 would run 10s, and it'd do that much more comfortably than the honda

>>17068002
Please show me where you can turbo a Honda for 1400. That's only enough to cover the kit.

>>17068040
but why do you keep moving the goalposts

we are talking about price

$ for $ a Honda is faster

>>17068044
lolwat a turbo kit is like $500 at the cheapest on ebay

>>17068089
>moving the goalposts
What the fuck are you talking about? If we're comparing a 350 and a Honda, both have $500 eBay turbos, the 350 comes out way ahead. If you tried modding both for strict NA, the 350 would also do better for cheaper. I really don't see any other way to look at it bro

>>17068089
Dollar for dollar the honda is NOT faster. $500 for 10s vs $500 for 12s

>>17068089
>$ for $ a Honda is faster
That's great if you like farting about in a fwd shitbox. I'd rather have a Camaro.

>>17068134
have fun getting BTFO by a farting fwd shitbox Honda then

>>17068171
Have fun throwing a rod every 10 feet lmao

>>17068184
>muh vee ate icon is LITERALLY slower than a shitbox Honda
embarassing tbqh

>>17068113
because you keep whining about a turbo 1.6 vs a 5.7

from what I found of stock 350s with turbos they are dogs running 13s and 12s at best

the heads just flow like shit and the cams are awful compared to a Honda
>>17068128
kek

it would take more than that for both

Im talking base shitty Honda Civic engine
if you want to go down that route you can easily put a ebay turboed B16 into the 10s or a B18B in the 11s for about the same

I cant even find any reliable sources for turbo 350s lmao

>>17068134
American V8s sound like complete shit though
thats reason enough for me to not like the turd gen

I also like fun cars that can turn so Honda wins there too

>>17068171
enjoy the hatchback, I'll take the car with the looks and sound I actually enjoy, with an engine that's actually going to last because I didn't have to go ebay tier on my parts to hit the same price point :^)

>>17068201
>fwd honda
>turning
Lmao thanks for the laugh

>>17068197
700whp Integras regularly beat 1500whp supercars at Texas 2k.

And yet nobody cares. Wonder why. Oh right, it's cause it's a fucking Honda. Noone cares that your featherweight shoebox beats out other cars solely because it doesn't weigh anything

>>17068226
>when ur shitbox BTFOs V8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N81cEqZEDVQ

>>17068233
no one cares about lame ass sister fucker mobiles either

people only care about exotics

>>17068248
>cherry picking examples like it actually means anything
Lmao keep trying

>>17068248
>That video

Absolutely BTFO

>>17068262
lmao

that butthurt

BTFO

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