>I heard you like Italian cars

>>17050028
>Maserati brands their show girls like cattle
tasteless and degrading if you ask me
that said, muh dick

>>17050040
>what is henna

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Good news: It's the Dacia Logan
seriously motor show 2008 had better girls than 2007 overall

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>>17050113
Toyota

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>>17050028

>>17050053
>implying tatoos don't hurt
Even if it's henna I still don't think it's OK to do that

>>17050189
What if she was a hardcore Maserati fan and did it before being hired by them? What if she did it to prevent any electrical infetterence? huh? huh? huh?

>>17050113
>tfw drove one of these for 5 years
gud car desu
wud buy again

>>17050189
They get paid for that.

>>17050028

I'd go for a ride in that Italian anywhere, if you know what I mean.

>>17050192
>infetterence
that's not a word

That's weird because I don't

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I heard you like French cars

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I HERD U LIEK AMER-AAAAHCOUGH HGOOHGURBLHERBLAGHHH

>>17050302
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>17050380
Ameriga the Byutiful

>>17050354

i came

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>>17050380
K E K
E K E
K E K

>>17050354
>I heard you like French cars

>>17050436

once more won't hurt

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>>17050451
>once more won't hurt
K

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>FCA has the best girls.

Name one thing FCA can't do.

Memes need not apply.

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>>17050436
preddy close to my ideal grill but what's up with those pants?

>>17050463

like nothing came out this time

>>17050494
hnnggg, what motor show is this from?

>>17050494
>Name one thing FCA can't do.

Make an affordable micro car
Make a proper station

>>17050494

oh god i love vintage

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>>17050502
I'll pass, my dear friend

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I want that necklace for my girl.

I need to fuck her pussy from behind while I stare the Alfa Romeo logo bouncing and shaking in the air as I thrust inside her multiple times

>>17050503
Geneva '17

>>17050520

I would cum on her knees.

>>17050520
Now this one is sexy. Bologna or another show? I search and post stuff from Bologna because Italian girls are the sexiest on the planet imo. Up there with Slavic girls.
>alfa next to radical
Nürburgring kings zone?

>>17050544

Well, yeah, they're so ugly that she would be like wtf and probably fall in love with me for being accepting of her insecurities.

>>17050555
>implying girls take cum as a compliment
you're better off licking them if that's your objective

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>>17050579
>you're better off licking them

Not if I didn't cum on them yet.

>>17050622
ewwww

>>17050551
I came

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>>17050661

>>17050551

Best girl

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I'm both hard for the girl and the car

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>>17050725
At this point I'm convinced there's nothing FCA can't do

>literal car sluts

>>17050040
>not branding your girls

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>>17050750

What's not to like? Hnnnngggh

they all have higher mileage than the cars lmao

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>>17050762

You don't have to marry them, you just have to fuck their wet and large pussies while you fantasize about the car they're with.

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Just imagine having her >>17050775 as a race driving instructor.

Holy shit I'd be rock hard for the whole time.

>>17050745
too caked up in makeup for my taste
>>17050775
HHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
that girl doesn't look like a race queen with that attire though, is she a pilot?
mamma mia

Life must be so weird if you're an attractive female.

>>17050786
>pilot
meant to say race driver, we call race drivers "pilotos" in Spanish
>>17050784
>Holy shit I'd be rock hard for the whole time.
no shit, she gets me even harder than most of the "pretty girls" ITT

>>17050786
Yes, she is.

>tfw you will never fuck an Alfista Milf with a classic Alfa Romeo in your life

WHY LIVE?

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>>17050797
Yes I forgot the image

Milf + Alfista

>MILFISTA

Keep your spaghetti shitheaps.

>>17050797
Why live indeed
another racing qt, although not from Alfa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbtMGtPG2uY

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>>17050804
pic related
>>17050807
stay buttmad cunt

>>17050804
>she will never rape you on gunpoint on the back seat of her Giulia Super

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>>17050820
It's a Giulia GTA

---

>Come here anon, I want you to drive me around like you know to do ;)

>BITCH LET'S TAKE A REAL ALFA ROMEO AND NOT THE MITO

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>>17050839

>Is this a better Alfa anon?

*unzip pants*

>>17050839
would take a fucking Mito if she came with it

Are these pictures from 2017?? Why do the cars look like shit from the mid 2000's? Why are the women so worn out looking? Is this is what it's like in Europe?

>>17050853
>old Alfa Romeo logo

No they're not even from 2016

>>17050853
A lot are from 2007 and 2008 Bologna Motor Show.
t. OP

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>these asses (all 4)

>>17050868
>right girl
CLAIMED

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>italishit btfo again by superior VAG

>>17050892
>>17050898
those aren't just hot, they're CUTE

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>>17050904
>filename
are those from facebook?

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>>17050899
Are you kidding me, right?

>fucking Q3 ABT

kek

>>17050910
yes I was lel, although their leg game is tight
that one you just posted is heavenly

>>17050909
I'm grabbing these from flickr groups

>>17050906

100% agree

>>17050917
>I'm grabbing these from flickr groups
funny, I took most Bologna ones from there too, although it was a single guy's page, a photographer

>>17050925
lmao

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>Fiat girls better than Alfa Romeo girls

I'm confused yet hard

>>17050942
WOAH
she's Italian, right?

Im gonna gut you brigoli spic. Gut you like a fish. Mama mia my meatball nipples are a cut offa!
Thats you, gonna skewer those pepperonis. Drag a tire over you. Make you emmet till 2.0
Gut you. Like a fish. Teach you a lesson. Like a fish. Fuckin gutted. No bones. Fillet bitcg. Like a fish

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>>17050954

I think.

I was wondering if maybe is the same girl here without a ton of makeup >>17050745

However: pic related is the best ever.

We can close the thread.

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>>17050994
>mfw I saw the full pic

>>17050942
what an adorable dress

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Meanwhile at the Audi stand...

>th German girl is basically a shemale
>the Italian girl is a shy cutie
>the Spanish girl is Asian

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>>17051022
I don't know if I like her, she gives off a zombie vibe

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>>17051049

>>17051059
didn't age well
come on, you can do better

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Just two infos about this car

>Fiat SB4 "Mefistofele"
>1924
>12L 21.706 cm3 engine
>320 hp
>World high speed record (1924) with 234,97 km/h

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>>17051043
>Audi's marketing team thinks as if they're in 'murica where yellow fever is rampant and you get accused of racism if you don't hire token diversity so they hire a fucking filipina to pander to SJWs
when will they learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6u10YPk_34

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>>17051085
The chick is not really my type but I couldn't say no given that she has touched the Mefistofele
it had to take massive balls to be a race driver back in the day

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Would you pick the car or the girl?

>the car

>>17051112
>best sedan in the world vs meh girl
The car of course, with the information we have. Now if she's a complete genius who wants to rule the world then things might change.

>>17051112

Both are pretty meh/10. I thought Italian chicks were supposed to be hot? If these are what models look like what do normal women look like? Eeek. These are like 6/10's in glorious canukistan.

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>159 TI

Hnnnnnggghh

I need these rims on the Giulia

>>17051114
Girl. Car is lovely but that chick... hot damn. I have a soft spot for chicks like that, in fact I know one that looks very similar to her but is much shorter and not as slim. A bit androgynous with those eyebrows but it turns me on for some reason, perhaps it's the exoticism.

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The Milfista again (younger)

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>>17051118
I can't fully appreciate the beauty of that pic because there's a GOOK in it.
>>17051117
>Both are pretty meh/10.
>t. BMW fangirl
Also I'm not sure the chick is Italian. The ones I posted most likely are because I only posted from the Bologna Motor Show but italybro has been posting Swiss stuff (Geneva) and whatnot.

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Vintage

>75 Evoluzione

R a r e

>>17051144
>she will never walk all over you with her heels puncturing your back
why live

>>17051132
Truly a milf, she hadn't reached her full potential back then
and she looks too dark there too

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>when burgers go to your spaghetti country and take the sassiest women
JUST

Take this italybro, I took many pics from there
http://www.motori.it/immagini/193844-1/le-ragazze-del-motor-show-2016.html

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France+Skoda=muh dick

>>17050189
I don't see the problem. It's temporary and they get paid for it.

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>>17051043
>it's an audi girls are awkward episode

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>I heard you like American Muscle :3

This might just be me but I get annoyed at the concept of booth babes like this. Just... Where's the male equivalent? Whatever happened to equal opportunity?

Italian women are like Italian cars.

You either get something expensive that screams when your in it, or a fiat panda.

>>17051221
fuck off faggot
go to a fitness supplement show or something

>>17051221
It's for the same reason companies do celebrity endorsement.
Even when it's completely clear what they're doing, your brain can't help but to make the association between the product and the person it's beside.
In the case of celebrity endorsements, your brain makes you think that by buying the product you're going to be as cool as the celebrity that's endorsing it, while in the case of booth babes your brain makes you think that by getting the car, you're also getting the girl.

It's all subtle and subconscious, but who/what accompanies something does have an effect on how good we perceive it.

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someone shop a smug pepe hand on the left girl's chin please kek

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Oh shit I found the blonde Alfa Romeo driving school instructor/pilot: Alessandra Neri

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>>17051273
Wrong picture

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>>17051273
>>17051279
damnnnnn... she looked even hotter with no makeup in the pic you posted earlier tho
also reminder that Maserati has the classiest girls

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RACING WAIFU CLAIMED

www facebook com/alenerirace/

>>17051292
damn italybro, now all the autists here will spam lewd shit to her

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Paris '16

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>VW
JUST

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>>17051302

Nah, it's an official page, not a profile.

Also, browsing the Alfa Romeo driving school I now want to book a full day course but shit's expensive (with every maker not just Alfa).

1000€ for a whole day but I get to drive the Giulia Quadrifoglio, 4C and the others...not bad, maybe as a birthday gift in advance.

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Ragazza Alfista at Paris '16

>>17051332
I wouldn't take the course with her if I wanted to learn anything at all though, better go with a guy or an unattractive girl.

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What is she thinking?

>>17051353
Also Lexus has got nice girls, they're classy and refined while not as spicy as the ones chosen by FCA.

To me, they get the second place.

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Bologna '14, beautiful blonde in the stand
>>17051362
I like the Ford girls more, they're sassier. To answer my own question I think she's thinking
>they unironically decided to buy a lexus

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>I wish I was at home trolling tumblr landwhales into killing themselves

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What car is that?
The girl a hottie

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>>17051371
Disregard what I said about Ford, Skoda has the best girls. Tied with FCA.

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>>17051389
Ssangyong SIV-2 concept.

The girl literally makes the car better.

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>this was the best RR could do
disappointing
>>17051397
thanks anon

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Hot girls, hot car

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Testarossa at Geneva

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>>17051416
More of the testarossa, say what you will about SsangYong's cars but their girls are top tier

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>love that Joker!

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Geneva '16, looks like an Italian beauty to me despite being in Switzerland

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Claiming the brunette with angry eyes mod

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I gtg
later anons

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ICEcucks BTFO again!

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>this triggers the audi and bmw fangirls

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>haters gonna hate
>>17051623
fuck off retard

>>17051654
Kek

>Magneti Marelli providing Italian girls to all the international stands

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Heidi!

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>>17051678

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Would berry
Alfa girls best girls

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>>17051696
left girl has something MEW about her

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>>17051678
>tfw no 80s tier Italian qt3.14

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More Magneti goddesses

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>>17051726
>the future looks so bright

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>FCA again
[sweating intensifies]

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>>17051730
the true beauty is the girl standing next to the car in her Wonder Woman pose

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>>17051738
m-milfistas strike again?

>>17051744
I like tall girls but that one has a bad case of manface

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>>17051749
not her :(

>>17051761
But she's another milfista, right?
I should have said milfisti instead of milfistas now that I think of it

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cuties in driving gear
>>17051766
countach!

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I'm not sure about her milf status but my penis says "I'm in"

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>>17051736
more from her
>>17051783
kek mine too

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The girl or the car?

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>>17051781

TRIVIA: you see that Abarth box there?

If you order special parts for your Abart they'll deliver that same box to your dealership and you can find inside the required parts such as complete tuning setups, shocks, the Record Monza exhaust, etc..

>>17051799
I think FCA uses the same girls because I can see at least 2/3 identical girls on different motor shows.

I'm fine with that because they're keepers.

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Breeding material
>>17051801
nice!

>>17050745
Those are big hands.

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I think I see some resemblance to the Prosecutie in her
>>17051815
That show is Geneva '17 in case you're wondering

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Abarth raising the bar

>>17050494
>girl

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>high quality VW girls
wew lad
it was Bologna though and she's green eyed so my bets are on her being Italian

>>17051831
Just imagine her giving you a prostatic massage with her long index while she whispers in your ear all the grades of the Poltrona Frau leather.

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>>17051879
kek
>>17051876
another stunning VW girl, I love her facial expression

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>>17051883
Yet another gorgeous VW girl

>>17051879
I was hoping for a 'UUUU' so I could shitpost about my insecurities regarding my own sausage fingers, but you just had to skip straight to the grand finale…

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>>17051893
wtf I'm a VAG fangirl now
>>17051894
I almost did it anon, I'm an avid baneposter. But I was too busy posting girls.

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>>17051900
Holy shit she's really top tier

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I think I saw this girl before in another brand's stand

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This is from Paris but she looks Italian or Spanish

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This one reminds me of Alexandra Daddario

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You know what they're looking at don't you?

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>You want the fully loaded flagship don't you anon? You don't want to look like an autistic poorfag with shit taste...

>>17051991
I dunno, I'm more worried about how hard is to get those pants off.

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>>17052049
>I dunno
I do

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>>17052012
>letting a woman you don't know do your car shopping without even test driving the thing
that's when you know your dickhead is the head in charge

>>17050520

fucking kawaii

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>>17050028
The ones where they lean against the cars wearing buckles and studs and such make me nervous

> bitch better not scratch the paint

>>17052659
>part nigger
>bmw
like pottery

>>17052659
that's a good way to not scratch the paint

>>17051831
for you

>>17050040
No that's Ice_Poseidon's logo you baboon

>>17052659
>not making them take off their pants before leaning on the car.

> the only attractive girls itt aren't race queens/car show models

I don't get it.

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>>17050028
You are mistaken, young lady. I like Italian motorcycles; I loathe Italian cars.

>>17050494
>Name one thing FCA can't do.
Make a decent car lol
>>17050868
>>17050877
Those girls look plastic
>>17051213
She's fucking pretty, gotdamn
>>17051893
>>17051900
She reminds me of someone I went to school with in highschool. Pretty cute.
>>17052012
Good Lord that smile wtf
>>17052659
Being trashy ruins the sex appeal
>>17054416
im going to kms after seeing this

>>17052659
Just fapped to this, thanks anon

Got any moar?

>>17050248
why did you bother

not that they're very bad or something but they're really fucking bland to look at and drive at

>>17054493
>Being trashy ruins the sex appeal
agreed
>im going to kms after seeing this
same

>>17050898
nice upskirt

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Don't mind me, just posting best girl

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>>17055046
The '80s called, they want their leather back

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What does this fucking thread have to do with cars? Why is this allowed? MOOOOOOOOOOOOODS

>>17050028
>Tattoo
Fucking whore.

>>17055092
Fuck off faggot
rule 2
>Photos of models and "race queens" are permitted, so long as they are sufficiently clothed.

>>17055094
>implying you wouldn't
>implying it's not henna

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>>17055092
>What does this fucking thread have to do with cars?
cars allow us to stare at these gorgeous specimens of the human species
stay fròcio

>>17055092
Virgin detected

>>17055092
I don't even see what's so sexy. They all look bony and masculine, like crossdressing teenage boys with stuffed shirts.

You can find hotter chicks at your local bar.

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>>17055191
>implying virgins don't like girls
more like faggot

>>17055206
sure thing anon
>mfw >>17051857

>>17055210
If virgins liked girls they wouldn't be virgins

>>17050502
Nice Mazda 3!

>>17055219
How so? Have you heard of guys who save themselves for marriage? Have you heard of incels (aka betas)?

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>>17055218
Literally eh. I understand you as much as I understand guys who lust after stuff like this.

>>17055219
The secret to not being a virgin is not liking girls until it's time to fug.

>>17055227
Because if incels and volcels liked girls they would fug them

>>17055244
>if you liked supercars you would own one

trust me man, they like girls. they like girls too much and come off as puss hungry creeps, minus the 6'5" viking warrior stature needed to make that into a sexual fantasy instead of part of a PSA about sexual harassment.

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So it's been established that FCA has the best girls, now what brand has the best girls?

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>>17055334

>>17055283
>if you liked supercars you would own one
Thats actually true

>>17055356
>delusional tripfag
as expected

>>17055420
t. Incel

>>17055426
t. Manlet

>>17055451
Nice projection

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>>17055426
>poorfags can own supercars

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Wow, almost all the girls are fat and ugly.
Bike girls are better.

>>17055350
HNNNNNGGGGGG

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>>17055847
cager cucks btfo again

>>17055163
OH
MY
FUCKING
SHIT

The Milfista™ has literally won the thread.

Is this /o/ur Milf?

>>17055951
Yes she has Italybro
more in https://www.flickr.com/photos/fullsix/2820613093/

I'm kinda envying mjet right now for being Portuguese

t. urubro

>>17051319
ja, das unt good strong german girl

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>>17055966

HNNNNNGGGH

>>17051353
>What is she thinking?
Why are Lexus/Toyota still making the ugly as sin fish mouth grille that looks like shit.

>>17055163
I agree, but could you not post any more of that Yurop man face

one can only imagine the amount of hair she has.

>>17056000
>burger "taste"

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>>17056000
>one can only imagine the amount of hair she has.

>>17056000
>pubic hair is bad
Nice meme, kid.

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>>17055092
What car is this?

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>>17056034
It's common for burgers to be pedos because they've grown up with the notion that women should be hairless. Pretty sad if you ask me, they'll never appreciate a proper high test girl.

>>17050127
That leather dress does not look comfortable at all. She still hot though.

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>>17056117
Also when you hear a guy complain about boobs being "too big" it's usually a burger. The 90s and 00s were a mistake.
>pic related how things were in the 70s

>>17056117
>high test
You mean high est.
>>17056147
What? No. Burgers like big fake boobs.
Small tits are for patricians.

>>17050436
>would bother jessica alba's sister till security thew me out.

>>17056027
You have impeccable taste my man

>>17056162
lel, it's not test as in testosterone
"high test" meant "high octane" back in the day, that's why the poster is at a gas station

>>17050807
this

>>17056181
that's the original high test but it's not the origin of the high test memes
Originally the meme (btw created by tumblr and brought here in 2014) was about the fact that looking at thick girls upps the test in mens body.

Then it slowly turned into >men with high test like thick girls and eventually into >thick girls have high test.

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>>17050028

>>17056194
>and eventually into >thick girls have high test.
What the fuck? No. When?

>>17056162
>Small tits are for patricians.
t. pedo

>>17056198
that's just how the meme went in /fit/
it's a deformation of a deformation

>>17056214
When someone likes big tits you can already tell he's a huge faggot.

>>17056162
>What? No. Burgers like big fake boobs.
plastic boobs and small boobs are equally low test

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>>17056252
>men have tits

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>>17050028
TOP BABE
O
P

B
A
B
E

>>17056262
Never heard of compensation?
>men like tits so the biggest the tits I like the manliest I am, right? Right? I'm not a faggot I swear
>>17056254
I'm a sex addict and you're wrong, small boobs are patrician.

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>>17056282
>implying it's about being manly
>implying compensation is anything but a huge meme some people use to shit on others who enjoy life more than they do, whether we're talking women, fast cars or offroad machines, among other things
If boobs don't arouse you I have bad news for you anon, the faggot here is you.

>>17056304
>If boobs don't arouse you
Uh? Where do you get that from?

Stop replying closet homo.

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>>17056324
>closet homo
>said the guy who doesn't like busty women
lol
as if I had anyone to impress in an anonymous imageboard

>>17056361
MOMMY

>>17056361
Who said I don't like big tits?
I said small tits are patrician. Don't you understand the difference?
Just stop embarassing yourself.

>>17056411
>small tits are patrician
if you consider small tits to be patrician then you consider other tits to be for plebs
Look, I can appreciate a girl with small tits if she has other redeeming features, but big tits are always superior on their own. Would I take a flat but pretty chick over a well endowed but ugly chick? Everything else staying the same, I would. Could a plain looking and not smoking hot girl get me? If she is charming yes. But that doesn't make her physical features "patrician". It's me accepting the more plebeian features in exchange for very patrician ones.

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>>17050028
You heard wrong

>>17052012
>autistic poorfag with shit taste...
>t. frosty

>>17053761
Was exposing my insecurities regarding my sausage fingers part of your plan?

>>17056144
Yeah. that material doesn't look very good to be honest. She should just take if off.

>>17051217
lmao that bitch in the middle straight up looks like kim davis's doppleganger

>>17057075
I like the way you think :^)

>>17055951
That's a man baby

>>17056194
Reality is looking at whatever the fuck you like, which varies from man to man, works better than shooting for the average's ideal

Statistics were a mistake

>>17057726
statistics and easy access to the trivia and trash of academia ruined this entire generation by giving idiots a way to feel educated

>ACKSHUALLY in a sample group of 50 people liking skub was correlated with height which correlated with reaching the top shelf at the library which correlated with intelligence which correlated with employment
>therefore if you don't like skub you are a dumb manlet and live in your mom's basement
>trust me I'm paraphrasing SCIENTISTS

>>17057726
>>17057785
>Statistics
what the fuck are you rambling about? when did I mention statistics?

>>17056462
btfo
>>17056324
I have my problems like everyone does but being a faggot isn't one of them.
Mine are more like
>find hot girl in a wedding
>find out she's your distant cousin afterwards

or even worse
>feeling attracted to your first degree cousin

>meeting first cousin once removed at her sister's wedding
>i have to dance with her because reasons
>she keeps raising my hands from her waist almost to her breast
>have to dance in a bizarre position because boner

Sometimes I wish I could just say "what the fuck" and screw them all

>>17058783
woah keep your pants on Cletus

>>17058783
>insults guys because they like a different amount of titty fat (like any and every amount over nada is okay bro, as long as they don't look like a giant nutsack, replacing pleb with fag doesn't make your any less of a virgin)
>wants to fuck his cousins

Hairy Pottery and the chamber of topkek

>>17058825
I'm not the guy who insulted others, I just agreed with the guy. Besides it's not like you don't have a hot cousin that turns you on, everybody does, let's be honest here. Unless of course your cousins are all hamplanets.
>>17058791
>implying
I'm not even a burger, kek.
That said I can't help relating to Bo Duke.

>>17058848
>Besides it's not like you don't have a hot cousin that turns you on, everybody does
>it's a projection episode

>>17058874
>muh projection
>it's a buzzwords episode

>>17058955
>i want to fuck my cousins so everyone else wants to fuck their cousins too
that's textbook projection anon

>>17058975
Except that's not how I reached my conclusion.
I have 2 friends who are into their cousins too. One of them got shit from his dad for getting flirty with his cousin. The other once catcalled one of his cousins without knowing it (he did it from a distance) and then she confronted him about it and he admitted it although he played it off as an accident. He says he'd totally fuck them if she'd let him though. That guy has an uncle who after being divorced married his own divorced cousin. And I have another friend who first had sex with his first cousin once removed, deflowering her too.
I think that it being so taboo is part of the appeal, it's like the forbidden fruit. Also I can see such a relationship having a higher degree of intimacy and complicity that a normal one even if only because of how fucked up it is and because it's the kind of secret that could destroy both people's reputation if revealed.

>it's a perfectly healthy thread turns into an incest apology shitfest episode

>>17050810
mein gott
isn't that the chick that crashed in DTM a while ago tho?

>>17056462
>I can appreciate a girl with small tits if she has other redeeming features, but big tits are always superior on their own
>redeeming
Spoken like a true pleb.