/ORG/ - Off Road General

Since the other thread hit the bump limit, I guess I'll ask here. Does anyone know anything about 4x4 van conversions? Are they worth it or should I just buy >3k suburban?

>>17047553
Reminder that MrCummy is still an absolute retard. But no need for me to inform that to you, it's etched into your minds at this point.

>>17047902
Stay mad, stay wrong, keep the (You)'s coming

>17047913
Put your trip back on furfag.

also no (You) for you, but thanks for giving me yours.

>>17047926
>Put your trip back on furfag.
It'll be unbanned in about 4 hours, I don't have to go through petty technicalities to try and hide my (You)s, and you doing so just fuels me even more.

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>17047929
>I don't have to go through petty technicalities to try and hide my (You)s

You can call it what you want, you're just not getting the nice shiny little (You) next to your post number since that what you were expecting to get that from me.

>and you doing so just fuels me even more.

yeah, fueling you up in anger that you try to shield away

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>>17047964
>You can call it what you want, you're just not getting the nice shiny little (You) next to your post number since that what you were expecting to get that from me.
>thinking this actually matters at all
You're still replying to me fucktard lmfao
How can you call me a retard when you're acting like this? Projection much?

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>17047974

>You're still replying to me fucktard lmfao
no shit i'm replying to you, my point is i'm just not giving you a (You) next to your post number, since that is what you wanted from me from the start. Read what I type down thoroughly you dense furfaggot.

>>17047974
>my point is i'm just not giving you a (You) next to your post number
This is so fucking stupid, holy shit.
I didn't even read anything past this point because of how fucking stupid you are.

>17048019

>retard replies to himself
(You) miserable fuck up.

>I didn't even read anything past this point

Not surprising, judging by your comments and intellect I wouldn't expect someone such as yourself would read something carefully because of your incompetent reading comprehension.

>how fucking stupid you are.
now this is a perfect example of projection, totally aced it.

>>17048068
>this entire reply
Not surprising, judging by your comments and intellect.
>claiming I'm projecting
Projection.

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>17048075

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>>17048116

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My K5 flexing, that tire is 3 feet off the ground.

>>17047607
Well. It depends on the capacity of the engine and if it can even support a 4x4.

>>17047553
In OP:
>B
>O
>T
>T
>O
>Y
>O
>T
>A
>R
What did he mean by this?

Also, the TTBs look so weird as a prerunner. Does anyone know why they got rid / any bad mechanical flaws with the TTB systems in 95 and younger Rangers?

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What the diddly fucking darn is going on in this thread?

>>17048891
Pre 95?

If we go back to before the 90s, you'll end up with a Dana 28. You don't want that, period. Iirc in 90.5 they switched to the Dana 35.

Why they switched away from TTB? I don't truthfully know. Maybe the extremely bad reputation due to it being complicated. Maybe it's because it doesn't like worn parts, at all. Maybe the cost of lifting steers people away. It's costly to lift correctly.

Me, personally, I'll defend the ttb all day. Even to the point of arguing against a straight axle setup for what a majority of people consider wheeling.

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>>17049049
IT'S COSTLY TO LIFT UP MY FUCKING RETARDED TORSION FUCKING BARS
Well, actually, it's not really costly, it's almost near impossible. I guess that's what they meant by Ranger Danger...

It's complex and I believe Ford were the only ones who ever used this type of suspension (maybe the patented it, too) so shoehorning people into that market isn't exactly "user friendly".

Anyway, these twin beams were their answer to the twin i beams. Both being otay for offroading. My friend has a Twin I Bronco which can flex pretty well

>>17048805
I'd like to see a Toyota, owned by someone on /o/, that can flex that good...

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>>17049275
blue LC guy is probably pretty close

>>17048891
>never realized the N O T O Y O T A S acronym
I feel like a retard now

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>>17049275
IFS isn't made for that kind of flexing so I'm at a loss

But I can drive fast through the open desert so that's something I guess

>>17048805

47/52 springs, or did you do the 52/63 swap?

>>17049423
>>17049471
>tfw Mr cummy is the defender of yotas

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whud the fucc is going on ITT

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>Tipping over? Hadn't happened to me so far, I think I'm pretty safe.

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>>17050016
Just because he defends Toyotas doesn't mean I like him you gosh darned fucking ding-dong

>>17050011
52" front and 56" rear springs

>>17050120
Sway bar disconnect.
Attach a mast with flag pole

>>17048805
>arbitrary flex
Enjoy your zero body control

>>17050120
>tfw i have a couple pics on my home computer of vw beetles and even a vw bus loaded in the back of a truck but I'm at work

oh well maybe ill remember to post them some time.

>>17049170
Just curious, what makes it costly to lift a Ranger's torsion bars? It takes 20 minutes with a rattle gun on every single torsion bar front end I've ever come across.

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rip

>>17051014
Why did you park against a wall painted as a road? And how did you get a Montero to hover?

>>17050997
>flex
>zero body control
>benchracer detected

That's not how it works. Axle articulation helps with predictability when you need it the most by distributing weight across all four wheels rather than attempting to balance on two, which can often end disastrously.

>>17050997
Yes a lot of suspension travel means no control, apparently you've never heard of shocks...

>>17051009
2.5 inch Torsion bar lift- $75 in wheel alignment
3 inch Key swap - $400 + wheel alignment
6+ inch lift - $1500+ front axle replacement

>>17051027
>Axle articulation helps with predictability when you need it the most by distributing weight across all four wheels
Not necessarily Mr Armchair offroader. Simply having four wheels touching the ground means absolutely nothing in terms of weight distribution. Wait until you flex it up on an off camber washout out and that "flex" tries to roll the body weight downhill lifting the higher wheels with less weight.

>>17051053
Apparently you have no fucking idea what shocks do.

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any first gen (2001-03) Tundra owners here? Is the lower ball joint problem that bad? Once you replace the ones that came from the factory, do you still have problems (premature wear etc)?

good job, /o/

shills get paid by the (You). hit em where it hurts.

>>17051025
the wonders of VVT

>>17051293
Small amount of weight on a wheel and SOME resistance to rolling is often all that's needed, and is always better than no weight and no resistance to rolling. Once you start to roll with one wheel up off the ground, the rotational momentum you gain before that wheel hits the ground is often enough to carry it through and roll the vehicle over where you otherwise would have been fine. Lack of articulation equates directly to a lack of stability in any instance where you're actually using that articulation. Is it going to corner as well when conefagging? Of course not, but that's not what's being discussed.

>>17051312
What is being shilled?

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>>17051307
I have the same problem on my 1st gen Taco

I'll replace mine with OEM after every 180k Miles or so, but I think there's an aftermarket set that doesn't wear nearly as quickly

I'd recommend checking them whenever your truck's up in the air for maintainence. Check for any play in the joints as well as grease leaking or the boots getting old and wearing out

>>17051503
you know i normally dont like tube bumpers but that one actually looks pretty good my man

>>17051409
Until you drive on an off camber track and, you know, have no weight on one side of the vehicle. Big flex is good presuming the centre between the two axles remains relatively level. Which is great on controlled staged conditions.

>>17051525
>axles are only on different planes under controlled staged conditions
>most wheeling is done on off camber but perfectly flat ground outside controlled staged conditions

Yeah, no.

>>17051543
That's my point you fucking genius.

>>17051573
That was the exact opposite of your point.

>>17051588
>>17051573
shut the fuck up you retarded niggers jesus fucking christ

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Thoughts on a ZJ?

About to buy one and wheel the fuck out of it this weekend

>>17051588
Your strawman statements that I never implied?
>axles are only on different planes under controlled staged conditions
>most wheeling is done on off camber but perfectly flat ground outside controlled staged conditions
The same statements which you disagreed with, as do I?

>>17051615
Stating this
>Big flex is good presuming the centre between the two axles remains relatively level. Which is great on controlled staged conditions.

is not disagreeing with those.

>>17051503
what problem? you havent changed them in 180k, that doesn't sound like a problem to me

>>17051649
It's not agreeing with those either you strawmanning mouth breather.
>>17051600
You sound asshurt you tried to climb a hill in your 2WD Landcruiser

>>17051610
i hope youre not paying more than $500

>>17051676
800

>>17051665
Fuck off to the Subaru thread thinking articulation makes a 4x4 less capable.

>>17051610
Get it, and run rings around the Suburbanons with an inferiority complex and Ford truck parts.

>>17051689
>Fuck off to the Subaru thread thinking articulation makes a 4x4 less capable
Post a link where this was implied.

>>17051686
youre getting butt blasted at $800

>>17051686
Buy it, and be the object this guy's envy >>17051701

>>17051699
Literally your entire fucking argument. bitching about an arbitrary made up metric that doesn't matter as if it defeats the point of gaining capability through articulation.

>>17051735
>Fuck off to the Subaru thread thinking articulation makes a 4x4 less capable
Post a link where this was implied.
I'll wait Mr Strawman.

>>17051751
Here:
>>17050997
>>17051293
>>17051525
>>17051573
>>17051615
>>17051665

Your entire argument is that flex is a disadvantage.

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>>17051293
>Mr Armchair offroader
not this shit again

>>17051794
>your entire argument is my implications
Nice try strawman.
>>17051838
Spotted the assmad Suburbanon

>>17051873
I'm just a spectator. That was my (((you))).

Thanks, anon ^__^

>>17051873
Were you not implying that from the start, you never would have made the initial comment about "arbitrary flex" and "body control" to begin with.

But since you claim that was not your point, what was your initial point?

>everyone that disagrees with you has a Suburban
How did you come to this conclusion and what does it have to do with anything?

>>17051911
>what was your initial point?
My initial point, in case you missed it, is flex as a quantifiable measure on its own is useful for staged Patterson's photo shoots or forum avatars, but entirely irrelevant in the real world
>How did you come to this conclusion
The same way you;
A) presume Subaretards claim articulation makes a 4x4 less capable
B) I'm a Subaretard at all.
Are you feeling insecure as a butt blasted Suburbanon?

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What is the point of spacers and why every offroad enthousiasts of my area use them? Is this a phase? Do they serve and actual purpose or is it solely esthetic?

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>>17051955
>My initial point, in case you missed it, is flex as a quantifiable measure on its own is useful for staged Patterson's photo shoots or forum avatars, but entirely irrelevant in the real world

It really is the same anon. You sound buttblasted that you can't take cool flex pictures with your IFS.

>but entirely irrelevant in the real world
>being this delusional
No, you're totally right. The same things that make vehicles good for conefagging totally make them more capable offroad as well. Wheel travel, four wheel drive, and ground clearance are just poser metrics that don't mean anything. This is a real off road vehicle.

>>17052000
>he's not a Subaretard, he must be a conefagger!
Your inadequacy anxiety is bringing me endless entertainment.
It's so nice the Suburbanons finally have their own containment thread.

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The fuck's a conefagger?

>>17051960
also

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>>17052017
>he's not an IFS no wheel travel is a good thing tard, he must be a suburbanon
Literally just applying your own logic. Everything you think you just said about me, you said about yourself.

>>17052086
>he's not a leaf sprung oxcart piloting cowboy, he must be a Subaretard or conefagger
I was simply applying your own logic. Keep up that projection tho

>>17052117
That's not using my logic, that's just you running out of your own logic and moving the goalposts away from your retarded thought process.

>>17052156
>takes one to know one
The hypocrisy with this post is astounding. For the record, my kettle isn't black.

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Has anyone regretted lifting their DD? I'm thinking of lifting my YJ

>>17052238
How do these handle at highway speeds?

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>>17052462
Loud as hell. I wear earplugs while I drive above 55mph. Other than that, it drives well. I never go abouve 75mph

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>>17051520
Thanks dude glad you like it

>>17051662
Maybe "problem" was the wrong word. But still, basically these lower ball joints are prone to breaking, so it's something that needs to be changed out after driving the shit out of them. I tend to beat on my suspension a bit, so I'll be changing them this summer, but I've heard of trucks that are at the 400k mark and are still running the stock LBJs

TL;DR: It all depends on how hard you ride them, but I'd recommend at least taking a look at them

>>17052238
I DD Taynger. she's on 32s and a 3 inch levelling kit. She actually got more comfortable, believe it or not.

If you do a 4 inch + lift, you can always regear to make it more comfy and have those MPGs back.

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>>17052691
Ugh. 3 hour drive tomorrow at 7am.
Good night, /org/. I'll get some pics if it isn't a torrential downpour tomorrow.

>>17051722
>>17051690
I got it. this thing has like a quarter million miles, but drives fine and 4wd works.

>>17053161
We'll chalk that up as a win.
Jeep=1
Suburban=0

>>17051960
I am assuming you mean wheel spacers.
The point is when you put on a larger tire when you turn the wheel it will be too close to the inner fender and it will rub. The spacer eliminates this.
If you mean body spacer it is the easiest way to fit new tires while not fucking with the stock suspension geometry.

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Heading down state tomorrow or Friday to search through the farm scrap pile for oil well pipe, angle iron, or square tubing. Possibly stop at my uncle's to see if I can find some scrap steel there. Easier pickings if so.

Ordered two grip 30'x4" straps to make my net.

Not positive as to how I'll be mounting my deer trap yet. Probably slide square tubing into the front frame rails and bolt it in place of the tow hooks. Have it angle downwards and then have my friend weld another section going up. Hopefully it'll work out.

Took it for a ride and it started pouring rain earlier than expected. Any Michigan /org/ meetups?

>>17053448
Where in Michigan?
You've got at least 3 faggots who may be able to swing it.

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wtf I love Hyundai now

Just bought a 1997 nissan hardbody 4x4 standard trans as a beater and will probably soon become a trail rig.
How bad did I fuck up /o/

>>17053744
Major fuck up.

But in all seriousness not bad, drive it like you stole it and have fun...

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>>17054002
Too late.

They don't sell 3rds of back windows. So I'll just wait until my scrap yard has one for under $100 or whatever.

>>17053744
I'd just find the largest knobbiest tires you can find on Craigslist and slap them on.

>>17047553
I came here to hide from the FOUR Jeep shitposting threads in the catalog. How is everyone doing here?

>>17052772
>>17052785
>>17048742
and especially
>>17054316

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>>17054635
Doing pretty well, but got hit in the face looney-tunes style with a garden rake this morning

>>17053261
There's multiple guys here with Suburbans at a quarter million miles or better.

>>17054923
see that's why you shouldn't do lawn maintenance
leave it to jesus

>>17054933
That have rings run around them by an $800 Jeep.

>>17047553
ranger / mazda b-series god-tier

>>17055937
LOL, any priced Heep couldn't run rings around a Honda civic off road, let alone a suburban...

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>>17052238
hey, yellow yj guy here, you can't really get a worse ride than a yj, so do it.

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>>17056055
You people are insane.

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>>17054635
We're hiding too. Happy.

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"This path is only meant for dirt bikes. ATVs may be too wide"
>taynger pls
>feelsgoodman.jpeg

There were also moments where my radio antenna was at a 90 degree angle by being brushed by the tree. Man this thing is taking a huge beat down.

>>17057039
O hai!

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>>17057152
Lots of this shit happening

is there a good wrangler forum on the internet

Any Toyota guys here? I'm going to lift my 2015 SR5

Was wondering if some Bilstein 5100 shocks and some rear spacers are enough to get a 2.5" lift. Or would that require a spring upgrade too?

>>17057200
Pirate 4x4. Or your local jeep club. Look at these four threads:
>>17052772 →
>>17052785 →
>>17048742 →
and especially
>>17054316 →

>>17057208
Why do you want to lift?

>>17057239
>Pirate 4x4
thanks, never heard of it

i gota say their homepage looks straight outa 1999 but i'm ok with that

>>17057283
be careful
you actually have to have money, though

P metric or LT...4runner set up for touring. Dont be faggots and ignore this question i asked in the last thread.

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>>17055830
I'll let the Mexicans do it

>>17057369
Long Travel 4Runner? Sounds neato

>>17051676
I got mine for free you got butt fucked

>>17057208
Shocks don't lift kiddo.

>>17057369
LT. It might be a baby truck but it's still on a truck platform.

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I never got a clear answer in the last thread so I'll just ask again I guess. What is more important to you guys? Having a fuckhuge metal bumper for defence against animals and shit, or better entry/exit angles?

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>>17057600
first of all, kys. second of all, fuck subarus. third of all, get a samurai.

Now that that's out of the way, it really depends what you really want to do. Bumpers are great to add onto items and toughen your vehicle against hitting trees and rocks when offroad. They're also good for forest driving and when you're unsure if you can fit through an area, can just drive into it and not care.

Though, you wouldn't really be in the position to be hitting objects and forest larping if you don't have a good breakover angle and underside armour.

>>17057640
How fat are you?

>>17057669
Not at all. I had to move a 4 inch tree and a sofa today from the trail. And in between cursing at people who dump their trash on their trails, I mumbled to myself: "how do fat people offroad with all the manual labour involved?"

[spoiler]They probably just don't overland[/spoiler]

>>17057551
Ok thanks senpai. Todat for work i drove a f350 on yokohama geolanders at...LT and holy fuck what a rough ride. Almost broke my back on the highway. Mind you I was hauling air....must have been a load e cuz muthafucka was harsh.

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>>17057640
I just so happen to have invested in some decent belly protection since the OEM plastic piece of shit fell off while I was driving thru snow last winter and decided that I'd rather have a thick sheet of aluminum over a thin sheet of plastic any day of the week. I guess it really comes down to cost. I assume the fuckhuge bumpers cost considerably more than pic related just due to the amount of materials used, but that's just speculation from someone that is newish to the hobby. I honestly don't know any better

>>17057697
F350 is a 1 ton truck with stiff suspension. It rides roughest when there's no weight in it.

>>17057600
Both, which is why I have a lifted truck with a heavy duty winch bumper.

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>>17057600
most aftermarket bumpers are designed to give you a better approach/departure angles

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>>17057727
Have you considered getting a different vehicle to sink your money into?

For example, I sold 3 guns and a few other items to get a Land Cruiser. You're from /k/. How much would that hurt you? The board?

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>>17057796
Hasn't even crossed my mind. As always it's a daily driver first, a camper second, and on offroader third. It just so happens that it works so well for first and second place and I like it so much, I think I'll stick with i
I understand that it's not a Wrangler or a 4 runner but it works well for what I use it for

>>17057640
>first of all, kys. second of all, fuck subarus. third of all, get a samurai.
i like all of these points

>>17057796
>I sold 3 guns and a few other items to get a Land Cruiser
G E T S O M E P I C S A L R E A D Y
F A G G O T

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>>17057796
Also as a side note
>Selling your guns for any reason
>Ever
What kind of blasphemous donkey shit is this?

>>17057844
i see your points and if you really are doing just forest roads youd be just fine, but since you are asking about bumpers and posting pics of subarus going over logs it seems you have at least somewhat of an interest in doing a little more than that.
subararus are not designed for anything more than a dirt/gravel road. as soon as you start modifying it, it becomes a time bomb. if you lift it more than like half an inch youll be replacing cv boots every 10k miles.
if you need a dd/camper and also want to hit some moderate trails get a 3rd gen 4runner or something. if you can convince yourself to never stray from forest roads, go ahead and stick with the subie

>>17057917
The idea is that it works well for the first two categories regardless of what I do, but (((can))) do the third if/when I need it to. I'm going to read more into the CV boots thing since I keep seeing it, just seems odd that that issue is never noted on any of the forums I frequent.

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>>17057903
>som epics
Sure, blue land cruiser guy.

Here's a lee britbong as a comparison. Just got this Swedish Mauser with a barrel that looks brand new.

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>>17057953
Get a k31. That strait pull Swiss bolt is cool as hell and you want it.

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>>17057947
it cannot do the third thing. you will be in for a lot of heart ache if you try. dont get me wrong, it can make a decent dd/forest road runner but if you get near anything that even resembles a trail you are going to have a bad time.
lots of forums ive been to love to ignore common issues so they can all circlejerk around how their car is the best.

>>17057953
i meant of the cruiser not your mosin nagants
jk those look pretty sweet. i dont really know dick about guns though. all i have is a p2022. what long gun should i get

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>>17057981
FIND ME ONE IN CANADA FOR UNDER $700 AND I WILL RIGHT FUCKING NOW

>>17058006
>Being Canuck
Welp.

>>17058018
At least we get kinder surprise....who the hell needs unrestricted ar15s anyways.

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>>17058053
>who the hell needs unrestricted ar15s anyways.

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>>17058053
>Unrestricted
Nigger u wot

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>>17058053
Me. It's called the AR-108b. Which, to be fair, we have.

>>17058119
Non-Restricted are long guns set by the RCMP's standards (largely arbitrary). They have no limitations of use other than hunting.
Restricted guns are pistols and any long gun the RCMP decide are long guns. These require permits to buy, store, and transport. You can only shoot them at RCMP designated ranges.

>>17057997
One secc...

Get an AR-15. You can do a lot with something that versatile and cheap.

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>>17057997
I'm not saying you're wrong, but it is weird that I see so many off road subies for a company that can't make off roaders, that and I haven't had any issues thus far crawling around

>>17058156
... At least you're not Australian where lever actions are considered select fire

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>>17057997
current state

>>17058181
At least u fuckers get 79 series turbo diesel landcruisers with long range tanks and gobs of land explore.

>tfw you wish you died and got reincarnated as Ronny Dahl.

>>17058414
Ha! Because it's junk.

I get it.

>>17057997
Glorious kalash. 7.62x39 or 5.54x39 dealers choice
Though I prefer x39 for city/suburbs

>>17058006
>>17058156
>>17057640
what's with all the taytay?

>>17058821
Why, are you gaygay?

>>17058536
i just googled that they look sweet as fuck

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>>17058466

>>17058821
There's only one musical taytay, and he fronts the Dandy Worhols.

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Danger ranger boiss

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Holy shitting dick nipples they're fucking back bitches

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>>17057640
>kys
>fuck subarus
Well that's not very nice :v

I don't see what the big deal is about subarus desu. I think Subaru missed the opportunity to make a fun, high-clearance off-roader, but I still think the AWD system has loads of potential off-road.

Idk maybe I'm biased but I think they're fine. To answer >>17057600 though, I'd rather have better clearance and approach angle than a fat piece of armor at every angle on the vehicle.

That being said, both have their advantages and it really depends on what kind of terrain your looking at

>>17060461
>not bias ply
>not 15" wheel sizes
>in the trash it goes

>>17060517
>high-clearance off-roader
That's what trucks are for.

>both have their advantages and it really depends on what kind of terrain your looking at
For dirt road racing, the Subaru is good. For pretty much anything that does not involve a road, a 4x4 truck is generally going to be better.

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>>17060610
What I'm thinking is a Subaru truck with their AWD system and some way to lock the center diff as well as the axle diffs.

So basically remake the Brat but at a higher stock height, solid rear axle (at least the rear, but both would be nice), lockers, and a bigger (maybe H6) engine

But of course subaru will never make such a truck because they're i busy making boiracer and lesbian cars that aren't as good as they were in the late 90s and early 2000s

idk maybe I'm jus talking out of my ass I've had 3 vitamin gummies this morning instead of two.

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>>17060695
>remake the Brat
yes

>idk maybe I'm jus talking out of my ass I've had 3 vitamin gummies this morning instead of two.

jesus fucking christ

>>17060695
Nothing special about the AWD system that makes it better for the enthusiast than a standard 4x4 system with lockers.

>>17059839
You... Googled cartridge size?
Why.

>>17060734
>>idk maybe I'm jus talking out of my ass I've had 3 vitamin gummies this morning instead of two
It's 1pm here. Shouldn't /ORG/ be heavily drunk?

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>>17060743
>It's 1pm here. Shouldn't /ORG/ be heavily drunk?
i'm sure crownon is face down in his mudhole

What CAN'T be easily upgraded in a Jeep?

>Engine
>Transmission
>Axles(?)
??

I'm trying to figure out what things HAVE to be on the car and can't be reasonably done aftermarket.

>>17060849
Just make sure the frame isn't too rusty and then proceed to just empty every pocket.

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>>17060789
I was butt-ass naked passed out on the couch when that was posted thank you very much.

What would be the best truck for offroading for around $2000?

Is 5000 burger coupons a lot in the off road world in terms of upgrades? Between the bumper, suspension components, winch, and wheels/tires I figure it will be about that much to get what I'm looking for.

I bought the truck for 1000 so I'm not sure if it's dumb to dump this much into it over the summer

>>17061662
Yeah you should be able to build something decent with that much. Motor Trend does an annual cheap truck challenge, and the recent ones are on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkBe7wBy_fY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIp9wG5p8gE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjjzQHN5ra8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zII42FMz6gE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ntd8xnYShg

>>17061065
Just buy a samurai you dumb faggot
you can get one in decent condintion for like 2k you retarded poorfag
they have huge aftermarket support so you can mod it from there kys i hate you

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>>17061060
lol
that sounds more accurate
thank you for the clarification

>>17061722
>>17061065
XJ, anything older than '95 if you are patient enough.

It also fully depends on where you live.

>>17060285
i cringed

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>>17060695
>idk maybe I'm jus talking out of my ass I've had 3 vitamin gummies this morning instead of two.
absolute madman

>>17061060
get a fucking job you worthless welfare nigger

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>>17063025
SEE!?

Did you lift it yet, anon?

>>17063032
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-fake-news-infowars-alex-jones-performance-artist-n747491

>>17061722
kekd
when will it get old

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>>17063040
>http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/not-fake-news-infowars-alex-jones-performance-artist-n747491
>bullying our lord and savior

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>>17063035
why the hostility anon

>>17063068
is this g-deuce

>>17063035
>Pansy detected
I was fucking wasted when you posted that too. It's the weekend, lighten up, loser.

>>17064156
bost teddies

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Any of you guys heading innawoods this weekend?

>>17060610
From what I've been reading it's basically what would be expected. Good for light to moderate off road, which for people like me is good enough

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>>17059839
5.45 is the Russian knock off of USA 5.56. shoots nice with less recoil over much longer distances. Great for people who live on farms or ranches, but the round has penetration issues. (Inb4 my poison bullet autists) AK74 and cloned use this round

X39 has considerably more recoil and the bullet drops a lot faster, but it chews up cover like a mother fucker and can still be taken out to 300 yards with practice. AK47s/AKMs and clones use this round.

>>17066216

What's the Nato .308? 7.62x

>>17066238
51

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>>17066026
Yellow YJ and I are gonna grill some Borgors on a mountain tomorrow so that'll be fun

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>>17066484
>hanging out with other people from this thread

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>>17063035
I'm not on welfare you aspie.

>>17066216
>but the round has penetration issues
No more than 5.56. As always, penetration in rifle rounds is reliant almost completely on the projectile make up.

>>17066776
This. As evident by the 6.5 Creedmore being used on both small game up to moose.

Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.220_Swift
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.220_Swift
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.220_Swift
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.220_Swift

Mmmm... Comfy.

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>>17066776
I'm talking about generic ball ammo

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>>17066776
>>17066216
They're also thinking of opting out of .223 for the .264 USA.

>mfw

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>>17066807
>Government JUST bought 1.6 BILLION bullets, assortment of 5.56/9mm and other common calibers
>Followed up directly by swapping old ammo for new standard round
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/amp/
I am not surprised if that's true, and that makes me sad.

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>>17066723
BORGOR

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>>17066861
BONJOUR

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>>17066846
like your rims
but why are posing in a skatepark

>>17067083
bc there is a dildo pressed deeply into my asshole ;)

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im just going to post some cool cruisers dudes

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>>17067280

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>>17067310

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Buddy of mine is going for an interview/test at Arctic Trucks Norway on Monday... that guy is going places

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>>17067317

>>17066846
DUDE.
SURPLUS .223 INCOMING!?!?

I don't even find it worth it to reload .223 since a Freedom Bucket of 500 rounds is like $220.

>>17067318
What do the tests look like? What do you get if you get it? Is he a finn?

Now that you're on 31s, 37s when?

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>>17067322

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>>17067413

>>17067394
>parking that close to a wash out
>setting up camp there
>wanting to lose your cruiser and potentially die
whatafaggot.jpg

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>>17067330
No clue - its probably just going to be an interview. They've been a bit interested in his dual-transfer case builds

>What do you get if you get it?
What?

37 is abit too extreme for me. If I'm going to do anything it'll be a long time coming, in which case it'll probably be a 2-inch TÜV-approved lift (this means I can get it approved and registered to the title), 35" wheels, some proper fibreglass flares made for the pickup and an ARB air locker for the rear diff

I might also have to do some engine modifications in that case, as 35" on the stock gearing might be a tad heavy

>>17067280
start posting cool burbs now

>>17067083
I'm not sure, it's not my picture

>>17067521
>35" wheels
Holy shit. You're going to need at least 37" tires for those.

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>>17067521
What's a dual transfer case?

What do you get if you get in - Is arctic trucks some sort of weird elite club where people join because they have interesting truccs? Otherwise why the interview?

>>17067617
i threw a bullet at it and the whole thing fell apart.

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>>17067617
Thats just a random pick, struggling a bit to find good photos of what mine would look like

Something like this, perhaps?

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>>17067638
I was just joking because you said 35" wheels, but I really know you meant 35" tires.

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>tfw seriously considering getting an 06 Pajero
>3.2 litre turbo diesel, auto, ARB bullbar and snorkel, only 250k on the clock

Originally wanted a Landcruiser but fucking hell early 90's era 80 series are still going for the same price.

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>>17067635
Arctic Trucks is a company that modifies vehicles for use in heavy duty offroading, arctic exploration and so on. A good example are the two Hiluxes Top Gear used to reach the North Pole - those were Arctic Trucks modified vehicles on the AT 405 38" tires, a model of tires designed and developed by the company itself.

Its essentially a job interview/hearing what they have to offer. It does sound promising as they were the ones that contacted him, not the other way around

Transfer case;
Essentially its a modification the gearing and original transfer case, meaning you have another "low range" thats even lower. Allows for some studily good climbing ability and control

https://youtu.be/HKPIJCvNghs [Embed]
Thats the truck with no driver, idling, on a stock non-turbo worn-to-fuck 60hp-ish diesel engine, with relatively small tires.

https://youtu.be/R_RK_c4Ndwc [Embed]
Here is another video with the truck seeing a bit more action. The transmission from that one is going into the Hilux in >>17067318 (You) quite soon

>>17067664
I always fall in that trap. Here "wheel" directly translates to "rim", which is a retarded word for a wheel, while the word we typically would translate to "wheel" is "hjul", which is the word we use for a wheel with the tire mounted. Wheel itself is called a "felg", with the tire being "dekk"

I dunno man, weird languages

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>>17067664
.......................

>>17067877
What?

>>17067987
post butthole

>>17068010
I miss tay's butthole, too.

>>17067716
If that's the NS you're looking at, don't. Either save your shekels for an NT, or get a manual NS. The DPF in the auto diesel NS is nothing but trouble.
Otherwise they're a brilliant car.

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>>17067782
>>17067782
Ahh. What is the economy up there in cuckshedville, btw? How do the arctic truccerfags even make money when you have a separate category and taxation for larger automobiles in the EU?
F-150s cost like $70k (converted) where in Canada, they're like $25k. How is a company like Arctic Truccs even profitable?

>inb4 based norwegia subsidises cool shit for science
>inb4 i branch out and move to nunavut to run the Tundra Trucks in Canada

Anyway, your people speak a weird language. But at least it's not Finnish.

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>>17067987
don't do it
i know what you're up to

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>>17069558
Everyone knows what I'm up to, it's Saturday, and I'm blue XJ guy.

>>17069588
cringed

>>17069900
Homos do that a lot, no surprise.

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>>17069922
>i d-dont have an actual r-response
>l-let me just call him g-gay thatll sh-show em

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>>17069588
you're located in the midwest right?

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>>17069948
yeah im all alone with no friends unfortunately

>>17069940
What response should I give to such an intellectual post as >cringed? I mean, what were you arguing? What was your point? Other than being a bus riding faggot with pent up rage, taking it out on anyone that owns any kind of vehicle.

>>17069948
Yes I am. The frog poster is just a retard.

>>17069959
>projecting this hard
>implying you should have responded in the first place
it was a cringey post. theres no real way you could have defended it. just go to bed you fucking loser

>>17069981
What made you cringe, anon?

>>17069981
>>17070009
That's what I figured, just a /b/ cross posting loser using buzzwords to try and seem cool.
Mission failed, fuccboi.

>>17069971
is busch big in the midwest
I don't know that i've ever seen it in stores over here on the west coast

>>17070352
I don't know that it's big, but it's cheap, 14.99 a case of pints (light, regular, ice), but relatively few people drink it here.

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Did someone say overlanding?

>>17069955
Wat flyover state you in? MI here

>all these cruisers

My penis can only get so erect

Want to get an unregistered car for hooning about on my parents hilly, rural property. Was thinking of getting a Subaru brumby, are they ok?

>>17071314
Either use the farm truck, or get an ATV, but never post here again.

Been thinking about getting a fzj80 and a dd. Good or bad idea?

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>>17068784
This is an NP actually, technically it's an 05 made car.

>>17071397
This is Blue XJ Burb/Cruiser bait isn't it.
If not, they're a good DD.

>>17071404
Not sure what the hell that even means. This is my first time in this general. Ive been eye balling one for a while. Wifes car is crapping out and we need another 3 row. Looking for something fun that would also suit as a dd. Already have a suburban, just want something different for a change. Ive heard bad things about maintence costs so thats why i was asking.

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>>17071404
As blue XJ guy I'm offended. I don't bait or fuck up threads, I just get drunk and shitpost.

>>17067322
That's not a Toyota front axle, most likely a Dana 60 from a GM truck.

Toyota BTFO once again...

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>>17069004
You've gotta remember that we're the third highest ranked country in GPD per capita, and 29th in the world - which is not bad for a country with barely 5 million inhabitants

Those who are interested in getting a really capable offroad rig thats also 100% approved and street legal will often not have much of an issue purchasing a conversion, which for a Hilux, costs anything from $7700 for the 33" conversion to $35600 for the extreme 38" conversion

It might seem pricey, but you've gotta take into account what it includes;
38x14.5R17 or 38x15.5R15 tires - and these tires cost a good $1000 per tire
17x10” or 15x10” specially built alloy wheels
Custom brakes
Painted and custom made fibreglass fares
Reworking and welding of the wheel arches
New side steps
Arctic Trucks floor mats
A new removable towing-setup that doesn't make the towing equipment an approach-angle killer
Rear crash protection bar to prevent vehicles from behind going under the vehicle incase of a crash
50mm/2 inch lift front and back (may seem not much, but you don't want a stupidly high truck in deep snow)
New custom shocks front and back
New gearing in both axles
Reinforcing in the front and rear assembly
Calibration of the speedometer
Calibration of the toe and camber to suit offroad driving
Special torque-wrench for wheel swaps

And ofcourse; a full approval from the Norwegian DMV, which is something insanely difficult and time consuming/impossible to get yourself for your own build

So they do get a lot of business from their conversions, aswell as selling individual parts, ARB equipment, recovery equipment, guided tours in their cars on Iceland aswell as a lot of military contracts (mainly for converting LandCruisers to armored offroad beasts), and police contracts (armored street beasts, pic related)

>>17071638
lol, I don't need to be drunk to join in the proBurb/antiBurb shitposting xD
>>17071838
Kinda like Burbans that need Ford parts
>GM fangirls on suicide watch
>>17071931
I'd be interested to see if anything more goes into upgrading the diffs on the medium duty Toyotas like Hiluxs. 38" is an awful lot of tyre for the 8" differentials to cope with regardless of gear ratio.

>>17072281
>Kinda like Burbans that need Ford parts
Explain?

>>17072445
>mah GMT400 SAS
Seriously, are you new here?

>>17072449
New new.

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>>17072281
You'd be surprised - the axles for the Hilux can be considered a tad overkill for the stock tires and stock engine, and they stand up to torment quite well. I know plenty of folks who run 38s, 39s and 40s on the stock axles without issue, although with a modified engine and usually some lower gearing

>>17072281
In all fairness they use DANA axles, most manufacturers use them. Calling a DANA axle a ford or gm axle is like calling a BFG mud terrain a jeep tire since they happen to install it from the factory on their rubicons.

So as long as it isn't a real Ford axle, IE made in house by Ford, then it's all good.

>>17072483
Just like the Landcruiser pictured above ;)
>>17072481
I've seen plenty of them fail in all kinds of scenarios, but mainly having the pinion "walk off" the crown wheel under a reverse load.

>>17071397
It'll destroy gas but will be reliable and fun as fuck.
Where do you live and how long is the commute?

>>17072599
Texas. Drive to work is like 5 miles tops.

>>17072611
1. Cheap gas
2. Ridiculous short commute for le ebin large state
3. Lots of places to offroad
So yes. If you enjoy the test drives of the vehicle and some of the TLC parts of it (steering is weird with factory lockers and acceleration is weirdly strong for the lack of torque,/ hp), then go for it.
See if you can even find dirt roads to engage lockers every day.

What ar FJ80 pricing down there? Texas benefit of no rust, too.

>>17072543
how is this even an argument? that truck is on 42s. show me anything from gm on 42s with stock factory axles that wont explode going over speed bumps in the parking lot.
go ahead, ill wait.

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>>17072445
are you retarded

>>17072611
>lives in texas has a 5min commute
bullshit nigger

>>17071397
makes me smile every time i climb into mine
thats enough for me.

the other anons are right it will get shit gas mileage though. i personally dont really give a fuck though.

that being said, read some of the cost of ownership threads on mud. these arent a typical toyota. the one you buy will be at least 20 years old and was a flagship vehicle for toyota. they cost nearly $50k in the mid 90s. parts are not cheap and you will likely have to invest quite a bit into it up front in order to get it up to speed. that said, once youve done that, it will be one of the most capable, reliable and durable 4x4s youve ever owned.

>>17072980
>living in a city
I live and work in a small town.

>>17072672
More expensive than elsewhere it seems. Especially on craigslist
>I KNOW WHAT I GOT
Found a decent deal locally though. Gonna check it out tomorrow.
>>17073027
Thanks for the input. Yeah im reading about 13mpg or so. Thats about what my suburban gets now so its not a big change on gas cost.

>>17073348
I'll sell you my 1997 for $12000 with 200k on it :^)

How are rangers with reliability? I've heard they were meant to be thrown away away 100,000 miles and they're also a bitch to do work on

>>17073450
i got a 06 ranger with 210k miles. Works good. I have to change the u joints on drive shaft though. Ive read a lot of ranger forums, some guys have about 300k miles and going good, ofcourse with good maintenance. highest ive heard is 500k miles.

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>>17073450
>throwaways at 100k
only the modern fleeters with 3.0 and 4.0 V6s. The 2.3 limas are as reliable as hecc and take turbos / supers well.
Post 2008, they started selling Rangers as a cheap F150 and made the V6s better.
Otherwise, get em pre 97 for those delicious twin beam suspension and OHV V6 4.0 litres
>bitch to do work on
If you're a bitch. Nah, I had to get my clutch done immediately when my slave shat one me in January. That cost a lot for labour simply because I needed it asap and couldn't do little, meticulous work in -20 degree weather.
Otherwise, they're very comprehensive and fun if you get together with a friend to fuck around underneath.

They're the sheer pinnacle of "compact" picc'em up truccs in that they made so much fit within such a small space. Really fun to drive and good for "urban offroading" because of their small width.

People in Alberta use them to tow 8000 lb trailers all the time, too despite their 5600lb tow capacity rating.

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>>17073633

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>>17073653
wtfug

>>17073653
Nice air freshener

>>17072759
Any 3500 since it'd have the same axle as that Yoter.

>>17073450
>RCR knows what he's talking about
>believing a furry
Rangers are great. I heard the oil filter on the 3.0 is in a shitty spot but I have a 4.0 so I couldn't tell you.

>>17074075
jealousy is a slippery slope mah friend

>>17074221
can't say i've ever seen a four door ranger

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Just picked this up from the original owner, 90k miles. What yall niggers think?

>>17074379
How much.

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Picked up this winner off of CL for 300$. It was a no start cause of the immobilizer. We gave the guy his 300 and ripped out the relay and drove it home. Already took it offroading

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>>17074563
I may have gone too far in a few places

>>17074563
lucky son of a bitch. hope it explodes

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>>17074283

>>17074563
GM master race.

Time for a Dana 60 and 14 bolt.

>>17074716
>GM master race
need to get a dana 60 and 14 bolt

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>>17074761

>>17074766
i bet your friends love you
do you need another friend

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>>17074788
eh, i dont have many, just normally go out with my fiance.

>>17074761
>>17074766
>>17074815
WHACK

>>17074882
Post your rig ?

>>17072759
>how is this even an argument
Um... It wasn't?

>>17074882
i know yotas are great but why are you masturbating to photos

>>17074283
Not North American.
It probably has an I-5, too, heh.

>>17074528
$2900

>>17074379
>it advertises v6 and awd at the same time
literally why

>>17075105
what are you talking about? it says SR5 (trim level) then V6 (not all were V6). it doesn't say AWD anywhere.

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Feels so awkward seeing these threads knowing no American will ever see the best 4WD around

>>17075218
Too bad about the eBay headlights

doesn anyone here have a set of bumpers from affordable offroad? i just got my tax return and im thinking about getting one of THESE:

https://www.affordableoffroad.com/shop/affordable-front-rear-bumper-set-jeep-cherokee-xj-84-01/