So let me get this straight, a stock LS1 makes more horsepower

>>17041395

LS1 is a meme, but it's a damn good meme.

The ls1 can't make shit for power without forced induction (which the rb and jz already have, and which the ls1 doesn't take kindly to unless internals are upgraded)
The ls1 can't make 1000hp on an unopened engine (the 2jz does)

It also cant rev for shit and breaks if you try to

The ls1 is also a much newer engine than the rb or jz :^)

>>17041403
The rb and jz can also make more power on the factory specification engines (up the boost) than the ls1 can without spending thousands on it
So like... ls1 is trash and needs big bucks to compete with like stock l6 engines from over 25 years ago

>>17041403
a 600hp 2j on stock internals will grenade on you

>>17041418
600hp on 2jz-gte or 2jz-ge non-vvti is what many people do with success. On stock bottom end, and many use stock cams.

anyways LS is newer, lighter and has extremely good aftermarket support in the US, while JZ - worldwide.

/ MKIV supra owner

>>17041418
Yeah no... an engine with 80k miles will make 800hp on stock internals for another 20k miles

Ls1 trash can't do that
Gm btfo

>LS1
>6.2L
>460 HP
>74 HP per liter

>Coyote
>5.0L
>435 HP
>87 HP per liter

hmm, what could make this difference?

>>17041426
ls1 is 5.7 not 6.2

>>17041423
What kind of aftermarket support does a 2jz have in India or Somalia?

>>17041430
my bad pham

>5.7L
>350 HP
>61 HP per liter

it got worse

>>17041426
dohc and size. Ls1 fits in nearly anything. There's LS1 taragos for fucks sake.

>>17041430
Ls1 also only makes 300hp so even worse Lmao

>>17041436
Coyote is like the same size and weight
There is no discernible difference

>>17041437
it makes 350-365

>>17041435
hp per liter is irrelevant when you have less displacement, make less power, and ignore torque

>>17041446
the measurement of liters is a measurement of displacement.

>>17041454
it's just a copout

>this engine is less powerful but muh hp per liter

>>17041444
>lets cherry pick the highest output models
they make 300hp if the jap engines make 280hp

>>17041446
>and ignore torque
no one cares ab0ut torque except diesel truck owners

>>17041476
>ls1 from a c5 makes 365 hp
>2jz from a mk4 supra makes 321 hp with forced induction

cry moar fag

>>17041486
and a coyote makes 435 hp

Sad!

>>17041395
Pushrod

>>17041488
Coyotes aren't from the same era. Back then it was the 4.6 Modular.

>>17041486
>2jz makes 1000hp with stock internals
>stock internals ls1 is dead long before that
lmao

>>17041425
sort of a cherry pick.
The no BS safe limit for a 2jz is about 600hp. For the ls2 its about 500hp.
>but my buddies ex gf's uncle ran 8000hp in streettunerfurry magazine.

>>17041531
600whp for a 2JZGTE

>pushcucks

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABAHAHAHAHAHA

Why are stock cars with an LS1 slower than stock cars with the RB26DETT/2JZ GTE??????????

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>>17041441
>same size
>same weight

You wanna rethink that?

>>17041418
This guy is right, you stupid fuckwits. Several youtubers have had theirs grenade.

The 2jz does not defy the laws of physics, the BLOCK is good for 1000 but the rods and pistons won't last long if it's not built.

Anyone can up the boost and make one dyno run, but you're just as dumb as the LS fuckwits if you believe someone meming on the internet about the magical 2 jayyy zeeee

It follows the same principles as any other engine.

>>17041552
Because the gtr and supra are amazing not because of their engines but the cars themselves?

Look at the engineering that went into them, they are superb cars for other reasons than their engines.

They have good engines, but see my above post, they are not magical.

>>17041552
Because they are american.

350z is slow and heavy for the same reason. It's designed in the US.

>>17041597
>350z
>It's designed in the US.
Since fucking when? exterior styling is about it if that.

>>17041646
since nissan design america is in the US

>>17041554
>fully dressed engine with like everything from the engine bay, including the wiring harness, sitting on top of it
>semi dressed ls
LMAO
literally this desperate!

>its not even a coyote btw
ROFLMAO

5.0L Coyote
>28" Length
>26" Height
>27.5" Wide
>444lbs

LS1
>28.75" Length
>28.25" Height
>25" Wide
>475lb

>>17041592
>This guy is right, you stupid fuckwits. Several youtubers have had theirs grenade.

it's easy to fuck up anything if you are a twit.

referencing to fucktards on youtube does nothing

have you ever seen how 2JZ GTE pistons look and how are they cooled? 2JZGTE has very strong bottom end and piston from the factory and that allows going with 600whp on unopened engine safely

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>>17041669
see this oil passage? it's for cooling

how many OEM pistons are like that from the factory?

>>17041669
I own a supra, just because it's strong does not mean it will reliably make 1000hp stock.

That's beyond fucking stupid and anyone claiming so is full of shit.

You can make 1000hp on a dyno, for all of 5 minutes until something goes wrong.

>>17041656
But i mean its still a japanese platform with japanese engine. all nissan america did was probably design a shell around it.

>>17041683
I'm not claiming it'll handle 1000hp on stock long block reliable.

it's about 600

/ MKIV owner

>>17041403
http://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/1175779-sam-433ci-lsx-breaks-1000hp-n.html

1000hp naturally aspirated

>>17041403
http://www.lsxmag.com/news/video-a-1000-horsepower-ls-engine-revving-to-almost-8000-rpm/

8000rpm, 1000hp naturally aspirated

>>17041403
https://ls1tech.com/articles/lingenfelter-358-ci-flat-plane-crank-engine-spinning-to-9000-rpm/

9000rpm

>>17041403
>>17041749
>>17041754
>>17041758
I made sure to give you as many (you)s as possible.

>>17041754
>http://www.lsxmag.com/news/video-a-1000-horsepower-ls-engine-revving-to-almost-8000-rpm/
>8000rpm, 1000hp naturally aspirated

it's turbocharged

>>17041403
Also, just a quick little flowchart for you :

Can you think of it?->yes - > somebody has done it to an ls

>>17041779
Oh, my bad, point still stands

>>17041779
This.
>>17041783
A 5.3 would need to rev well in excess of a 5 digit rpm to make 1000hp N/A.
Seriously, you're an idiot.

>>17041796
The point was that it could Rev high. Don't change the subject.

>>17041749
>The ls1 can't make shit for power without forced induction (which the rb and jz already have, and which the ls1 doesn't take kindly to unless internals are upgraded)

>1000hp naturally aspirated

>actually turbocharged

>point still stands

lmao

>>17041687
I would kill for a bone stock MK4 with "just" 320hp

>>17041901
Once again, the point was that it could rev, but just to shut you jdm parrots up,

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/1175779-sam-433ci-lsx-breaks-1000hp-n.html

http://www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/engine/sams-camaro-pumps-out-1000hp-naturally-aspirated/

http://www.maxchevy.com/tech/2007/ii_7-lsx-1.html

https://youtu.be/aAANGDX_iW0

https://www.streetmachine.com.au/street-machine-tv/1601/video-1100hp-naturally-aspirated-ls-engine-on-the-dyno

Ls1 and 2jz owner here.. SO much god damn wrong info being spat here lol

>>17041497
Pushroad, ohc, rotary. It really doesnt matter if its a fucking hamster on a wheel.

My favorite engine is the 6g7 series. I'll still agree the LS is way better at making power.

At the end of the day though, you have to decide whats right for you, and character counts.

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>>17041925
I feel like it's just fan boys yelling at each other.

I think it depends where you live. I live in Australia and there is heaps of aftermarket for both the 2J and the LS. An LS car is much cheaper than a car with a 2J for starters and the 2J weighs a lot.

Again it all depends what you want it for. I think they are both wonderful engines.

As someone who has never swapped an engine, I've only read about it and these engines, never driven a car with them.
How easy is it to get a 2JZ GTE, and an RB26DETT, compared to an LS1?
Thinking in terms of all of them being in clean running condition, stock.
Also, price?
From what I remember, why would you compare them? it's not like they compete other than for simple meet/online dick contests.

>>17041749
>15.5:1 compression ratio
>being forced to use high quality racing alcohol everywhere you go
Sure

>>17042470
>moving goalposts
Don't be stupid. You could use e85 with meth injection if you insisted on daily driving that engine, but that's not what it was designed for.

>>17041395
>arguing with yuropoors
Found the problem OP.

>>17042518
this, any yurocuck's opinions hold literally zero value

The ls1 is imdeed an inferior engine

>>17041749
>>17041754
>>17041758
>Spending over 20k to make as much power as a stock 2JZ with a new turbine

Lol LS fags

>>17041498
The modular in the termi made 380 hp

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>>17042521
>>17042518
>This assmad

Reminder there is no LS/LSX running 5's

https://accufabracing.com/accufab-mustang

http://www.2jzpower.com/timeslips/toyota-supra-mkiv-gary-white-5-97-pass

Stay BTFO

>>17042584
And used a big fuckoff supercharger to get there

>>17042609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHa32NcJ9k4

>>17042612
>N-not f-fai bwaaah!!

You can swap pulleys and make almost 500, forced induction is superior

>>17042624
>1/8 mile
Haha, try again dumb dumb

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>>17042642
Wanna compare FI to FI? This made 650. Stock.

>>17042609
http://racecarthings.com/5-second-pass-fastest-quickest-street-cartruck-world/

>>17042579
http://www.superchevy.com/how-to/engines-drivetrain/1411-how-to-build-a-1200-hp-lsx-engine-pump-gas-powerhouse/

You can build one for just a few thousand

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>>17042657
And this made 662

Stay BTFO GM fangirl

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>>17042612
Nah brah, the "heaton" m112 on the terminator really isn't that big. Even installed on smaller displacement engines it runs out of steam. The modular just has well designed heads for boost

>>17042664
>Pro-line engine
https://www.prolineracing.net/blogs/engines/plr-526-572-481x-4000-hp
That is a blueprint engine, NOT an LS

stay BTFO

>Few thousands
Wrong, just the LSX engine is 6k, that is easily a 10k build

Stay BTFO GM fangirl

>>17042180
Assuming you are in the USA the RB starts at about 2500, 2jz about 2200, ls1 is about 350 give or take 1700.

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>>17042706
>>17042670
>GM transgirls ragequit

As expected

Stay BTFO

>>17042706
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/amp/
Are you just incapable of searching? This is on stock internals, that they pulled off of a truck, which you can get for sub 500 at pick n pull. An lsx block is only necessary above 2000,otherwise you are wasting your money. You can't just pick out the most expensive examples and strut around like you're even adding anything to the discussion.

Furthermore, there are two sub 6 ls engines that I've seen, and coincidentally, both of them are here: https://ls1tech.com/forums/racer-s-lounge/1841932-fastest-1-4-mile-et-lsx-powered-car.html
Which is the exact discussion we're having right now. Stop fanboying, and give credit where it's due. The ls probably has the best aftermarket in the car world right now, and they both take boost like a teenage girl takes dick. The thing is though that the availability of the ls is multitudes better than the jz.

>>17041435
>21 year old engine is less efficient than much newer, more expensive engine
Mind fucking blown

>>17042774
And it only made a couple of dyno passes, it is also an iron block truck engine that is heavier than the 2JZ

>You cant pick the most expensive
Except you posted an article of an LSX saying "few hundred dollars to build", I picked the cheapest LSX, which is 6k

Stay BTFO

>>17042774
They are already breaking into the 6's with the new GT-R........ How long has the LS been around again?

>>17041395
Can we please just ban people who make these garbage threads?

>>17042801
I said a few thousand, and you clearly didn't read the article, they kept turning up boost until it blew. Also don't bring up weight when first of all, a 1000hp junkyard ls would be cheaper than a similar 2jz, right after talking about cost. You can't have everything you want on a budget. That's not even to mention balance and center of gravity.

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>>17042808
And that is a full bodied GTR, a pro mod VR38 will easily run 5's

>>17042774
Also
>There are two sub 6 in that thread

Wrong, there is not a single video of a promod LS running 5's, that thread is full of assmad GM fangirls speging about >muh cheaper to build

Stay BTFO, GM transgirls literally need a boutique, 10k block to beat Aengines found in japanese and american taxis


BTFO
T
F
O

>>17042801
>And it only made a couple of dyno passes, it is also an iron block truck engine that is heavier than the 2JZ
The 2jz is the heaviest engine ever put into a car.
The vortec iron block is 580, the 2jz is 600 with turbos(not sure if intercoolers are included in weight)

>>17042832
>b-but
It blew, it couldnt handle the abuse

>Few thousands
10k isnt a few thousands


Stay BTFO, keep sperging about imaginary numbers, stop moving the goalposts to irrelevant prices becaise that only applies to birgeristan, therefore is irrelevant

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>>17042846
>B-but weight!!!

Yet there are iron 2jz running 5's, whereas the fastest vortec is in the 7's

Stay BTFO GM transgirl

>>17042857
You have piss poor reading comprehension. Try boosting a 2jz to 1,500 on a stock engine, see what happens, spoiler, it'll blow before 60 passes. Now let me explain one more time, slower.

$350 junkyard engine
maybe $2000 for turbo systems
$2350 for a 1000hp engine.

$2000 Bad shape 2jz
$500 for a new turbo system
$2500 for a 1000hp engine.

$2350 < $2500

Any responses further confirms that you are either a troll, autistic, or just helplessly stupid.

>>17042067
I totally agree anon

>>17042897
>he thinks you can get, reliably, 1000hp for $2350
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Isn't this whole argument useless since the 2jz costs 5x the price of an ls?

>>17042911
>60 1000hp passes for $2k
>not good
Wew

>>17042924
>zero proof at all
Cool story bro

>>17042888
>Yet there are iron 2jz running 5's
Why so slow? There are iron hemis. running 3s

Lol ford ,GM,Ferrari, Nissan, Toyota btfo by a Chrysler engine from the 50s. WTF lol hahaha.

>>17042924
>drive your car 60 times
>needs a new motor
>it's totes reliable
HA

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>>17042897
>B-but look at these totally made up numbers

Lol, you forgot fuel, spark, headgaskets, oil pump, and some bolts in both instances, which is the minimum you need if you want to make that kind of power

You are obviously a fucking newfag

Besides, that only applies to burgeristan, so its irrelevant

Firendly reminder, cuck:
A stock block 2JZ from a japanese taxi can run the quarter in 5's
A stock block 4.6 from a rustang can run 5's down the quarter
GM has never ever made a more powerful N/A engine than the 5.2 voodoo
GM has never ever made a more powerful forced induction engine than the 5.8 Trinity
GM has never ever made a more powerful crate engine than the 1500 hp cammers for top fuel
GM has never ever won lemans

Reminder the fastest LSX runs the quarter in 6.35, and that puwhcucks need a 20k boutique engine to run 5's


Stay utterly BTFO

>>17042949
http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-1109-stock-gm-ls-engine-big-bang-theory/amp/

Here's your proof

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>>17042950
>GM transgirls have to use chrysler engines to defend their argument


Hahahha I broke the GM transgirl

Stay BTFO

>>17042911
GM fangirls are fucking retarded lol

>>17042958
Lol, he still belives this is a serious argument

>>17042958
It sounds like that costed more than 2k

>>17042958
So not $2k then.
>home made turbo kit
LOL go make you a home made turbo kit.
>engine dyno pulls
>not actually on a car under load
>ported heads
>spring upgrades
>valve upgrades
>head studs
>upgraded gasket
>cams
>hydraulic lifters
>injectors
>TB
>intake
>air to water intercooler setup
>BOV
>headers
>boost controller
>upgrade BOV spring
>race gas
Totally a "60 'passes' on a $2k 1000hp motor". LOL. Passes implies drag passes, bot fucking engine dyno passes LOL.
"The longevity of the combination is still in question"

>>17042967
Kek lol my sides are orbiting the moon where I can see a fine GM lrv.
Fact, only GM has every won the Hadley gp, the Descartes gp , and taurus go., Only GM can claim the lunar triple crown.

> Hurr Durr our cars are fast in earth for a few minutes woo hoo for us.
All but GM completely and totally forgotten. Kek needing an atmosphere for your car to run, how pathetic.

ITT: OP and his GM buttbuddies embarrass themselves

We just need Prez/o/ sperging about the GTR

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>>17043018
>GM cars are LITERALLY so pigfat they need to be driven in a rock with 1/6th the gravitational pull of the earth to win

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Literally can't make this shit up

>>17041403
>The ls1 can't make shit for power without forced induction
>which the RB or JZ already have


w-what?

vvt 2jz-ge makes 230hp N/A in the lexus. that's 100hp less than an LS1

what you're saying is the RB and JZ can't make any power N/A. the LS can make 400whp with cam/heads


non biased LS1 and 2JZ owner here

>>17043113
N/A is for plebs

>>17043028
That was pretty good.

>>17042957
>A stock block 2JZ from a japanese taxi can run the quarter in 5's

>this is what autist actually believe

its funny, because those big power 2jz builds have like $20k in supporting mods

>just a turbo lel

things retarded people say


also an factory LS1 is good for like 600hp. its an aluminum block (the JAY ZEE is not)

>>17043117
>doesn't have a straight stock factory reliable N/A v8 making 300whp

my car makes around 290RWHP and has for the last 170,000 miles


can you say the same? i doubt it

n/a v8 is life

>>17041796
>not making 540hp with 334ci de-stroked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52pNnE_jN3U

>inb4 only 500

that's GT-R power levels naturally aspirated

>>17042761
>ls1 is about 350 give or take

>aluminum heads/block ls1
>350

its like $3k with an auto trans lmao

>>17043156
It's aluminum and super light, just pick it up and smuggle it out of your local pick and pull.. or wait for one of the 100 dollar anything you can carry days

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>>17043172
This thread

>>17043172
>cant hold all these memes

i've never seen an LS1 in a junkyard, ever. its not something that happens

>>17043172
>>17043183
Didn't mean to quote you

>>17043185
Some people are retarded enough to belive that modern junkyards dont pull out parts to put them on sale in the internet

>>17043185
You must not live in America

>>17042692
Boom!

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>>17042957
>GM has never ever made a more powerful N/A engine than the 5.2 voodoo
Mfw

http://es.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/lsx-454r

>>17043195
nigger i live in the midwest and i drive an LS1 car

>confusing truck vortec motors with LSx

even truck engines are like $1000 here, they aren't stupid. a 4l65e auto trans from a silverado is $600

>>17043128
Yet there are no LS engine running the quarter in 5's

Stay BTFO

>>17043138
>Toyota
>Not reliable

N/A is for cucks, enjoy your no power

>>17043149
>B-but its N/A
>Turbos are cheating!!

Lol

GM fancucls just keep embarassing themselves

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>>17043206
not production, lol

>Not running a stroked small block chevy at over 1000 hp N/A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-JIsN5ylSE


you fags jack off over low compression diesel truck sounding JZs, do you even high comp/rpm n/a V8

>>17043220
Literally you just moved the goalposts
>GM has never ever made a more powerful N/A engine than the 5.2 voodoo
>Lsx454r has 250 more hp
Utterly BTFO

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>>17043206
Thats not a production engine you dumb jew, if you want to talk about crate engines

>Literally half of what Ford offered in the 60's

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp-0908-ford-427-cammer-build/
>, the estimated 750 to 1,500 SOHC crate engines sold over the Ford parts counter were raced heavily in the late ’60s and early ’70s.

Stay BTFO

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>>17043228
not a production engine, lol. sperg more

>>17043228
Except the LSX makes 700 less than a cammer fom the 60's >>17043229

Go embarrass yourslf in the bike thread

>>17043229
See
>>17043228

Original post
Firendly reminder, cuck:
A stock block 2JZ from a japanese taxi can run the quarter in 5's
A stock block 4.6 from a rustang can run 5's down the quarter
>GM has never ever made a more powerful N/A engine than the 5.2 voodoo
>570hp
>Lsx454r
>760hp
Stay BTFO. How will Nissan fancucks ever recover?

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>>17043238
>lsx
not production

>>17043228
What the fuck happened to you? You didn't use to sewagepost. You own a vehicle for fuck's sake.

>>17043212
>N/A is for cucks, enjoy your no power

>290whp
>200+hp from 2000 rpm

>has never driven a decent n/a car ever

its literally the best, because you have much better response; enjoy your lag/lol no power under boost

>>17043241
>moving goalposts this hard

Stay BTFO

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>>17043242
assmad

>>17043238
Too bad I am not a nissan fncuck you dumb sperg

>pls pls let me quote a crate engine
Lol, not production, too bad that crate it makes less power than a cammer from the 60's

>>17043241
The post never stated that the motor had to be placed in a stock production vehicle :^) besides, it is a stock, mass produced motor you can buy out of a manufacturers catalog

>>17043242
I have fun playing with the autists in autist threads

I'm still a Ford guy lol

>>17043253
not production
>>17043261
not production

>>17043249
>Superchargers
>Nitrous
>Sequential turbos
>Lag

Keep on sperging, you are an embarassment

>>17043261
You are literally encouraging the decline of this board. Enjoying posting like this is a sign that you're probably not mentally healthy as well.

>>17043261
But it did, later on I started to talk about crate engines

>American reading comprehension

>>17043266
>sequential turbos

yeah because everyone knows that factory sequential turbos are THE BEST way to make power. /sarcasm

>nitrous
>implying you can't run nitrous on an n/a car

>superchargers

because those are GREAT for reliabilty

>>17043259
Read the post before you start moving goalposts.

Besides, a unmodified cammer makes 660ish hp. The one you posted had it's nuts tuned off. A stock lsx454r makes a hundred more hp.

>>17043272
>I didn't mean what I said at the time
>I meant what I said after you proved me wrong
Git gud, scrub

>>17043185
>i've never seen an LS1 in a junkyard, ever. its not something that happens
That's because GM's never break down not matter how much power you put through the stock internals.

Do you guys have like jobs or something?

>>17043311
yea. Fucking ur bitch

>>17043311
Yeah, I'm posting during my downtime

>>17043272
Literally BTFO

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>>17042957
>GM has never ever made a more powerful forced induction engine than the 5.8 Trinity

>GM
>never
>production
watch this.
>Detroit Diesel was a subdivision of GM until 1987
>in 1974, the Series 92 engines began production
>making them legal for this conversation
>Detroit Diesel 12v92TA
>could be built for 800-1200hp (2100rpm) and 2k to 2500 ft/lb (1200rpm)
>800 is higher than 662
>the 12v92TA is turbocharged and aftercooled, not even counting the supercharger it needs to run
get fucked

>>17043282
>factory
Lol, keep grasping

>Nitrous
>N/A
A car using nitrous is a chemically supercharged vehicle

>Muh reliability
Only if its american, toyota superchargers are very reliable

Keep sperging

>>17043288
Wrong, I started to talk about crate engines after the prodiction engines part, it is implied that the first ones are prodiction

>american reading comprehension

>660ish
Wrong, those were the semi-fompetition trims, Ford gave factory support to NHRA teams, the engines they sold made over 1500hp

Stay BTFO

>>17043334
I know, Kit Kat BTFO

>>17043311
>Not investing in hedgefunds and property

>>17043347
>Buses, trucks

Go back to >>>/n/

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>>17043370

>>17043380
This is /o/ not /n/
Dont blame me

>>17042180
LS1s are tiny and fit in most applications where an i4 or v6 will. They also can be pulled from a junk yard for nothing like 200 last time I did it.

2jz for life tho, heavy, can't fit it anywhere but I still love her.

>>17043354
>driving supercharged aw11
>thinking the engine is superior to an n/a v8 and not just used

if toyota could fit a 1uz in there they would have

>>17042706
What is the torque curve on the LS vs the Ayy Zee?

You get what you fucking pay for.

>>17042774
Thats not an ls1
Its an iron block vortec
Ls anything cannot do that

Keep trying though

>>17041683
You own a supra but are this unknowledgeable about it? HOLY FUCK dude do some research
And stop talking like you know shit when you clearly fucking don't, dumb cunt

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/136499-stock-long-block-2jz-gte-1043-whp-808-tq-gt47-80-e85.html#/topics/136499?page=1

>>17043514
>if toyota could put an engine that didn't come out until 1989 in a car that came out in 1984 they would have
what did he mean by this?

>>17042470

That's barely more than a modern Mazda is running.

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>>17043238

Smart people don't use small blocks when they're going full drag mode.... We should be comparing big blocks to 2JZ's because they weight the same. Now lets see a 2J keep up to a NA big block.

>>17041921
>The ls1 can't make shit for power without forced induction (which the rb and jz already have, and which the ls1 doesn't take kindly to unless internals are upgraded)

>>17044233

What does a NA 2J put out? Have fun with your minivan tier HP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVveg2sE3CA

>>17044248
>NA 2J

why though?

>>17044277

Why are we comparing turbo inline 6's to NA V8 truck motors? The fact that they're comparable is pretty sad for the I6. But lets keep it fair and go na vs na or forced induction vs forced induction.

>>17042670
Still can't turn.

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>>17041395
A 1997 engine is more powerful than a pair of engines almost a decade older? You don't say! You'd have to look at the C4 Corvette for a straight comparison, and it had either a 250hp engine or a very expensive 375hp engine that only happened with Lotus's help.

But sure, I won't disagree that the LS1 was a fantastic engine once it arrived on the scene.

>put cam in ls1
>gain 100hp
>put low psi blower on ls1
>gain 100hp

It's really not hard to make power from high displacement engines...

>>17044193
>Its not fair to compare a 2jz to a ls!! Compare it to a 7l bbc Instead waah waah!

Pushrod engines literally this shit Lmao

>>17044300
Why are we comparing 3l engine from the early 90s found in taxis and entry level luxury cars to a 5.3l engine from the late 90s found in corvettes?
Yeah that's a totally unfair comparison for the large displacement and newer v8... LMAO

Literally admitting that ls shit s SHIT

>>17044575
>put $10 boost controller on 2jz
>gain 100hp
Why do people even bother with naturally aspirated shit?

>>17044685

The 7l bbc still weighs less and isn't long as fuck.

DOHClets when will they learn?

>>17044704

2j's aren't as available in the developed world primarily because we out-grew weak powerplants in the 50's. So that leaves you with clapped out drift projects as a source for 2j's where as you need $500 and a afternoon to pull a 6.0 from a wrecked pickup.

When will inlinecucks let go?

>>17044737
Lmao this bbc lover is upset

You mad than an ls1 can't make 1000hp on stock internals while a 2jz can?
You mad America is such a freedom lacking shit hole (2t year law) that you don't have access to a plethora of cars that came with 2jzs?
Yeah you mad

>No no that's not fair compare it to these non production crate engines that cost 20k instead!!!!
LMAO
M
A
O

>>17044722
But the car the boosted 2jz is in costs basically twice as much as a c5 vette because memetax. That $10 boost controller is in a $20k memecar

>>17041434

surprisingly alot, since many shitcountries have right hand drive, so they get a LOT of old japanese cars there. When i lived in Tanzania like half the cars there still had japanese writing on them from previous businesses. getting parts sent from japan is easy

>>17044766
>You mad than an ls1 can't make 1000hp on stock internals while a 2jz can?

It can though. there's a million "junkyard turbo ls" videos on Youtube. Literal trash is competing with a Japanese "supercar". I can understand why your so butthurt.

Even if you squeeze 1500hp out of the 2j the supra is still a dyno queen at that point and will get slayed by cars with half the hp that can actually hook up.

>>17044787
Show me a SINGLE 1000hp ls1 on stock internals
Or ANY ls* engine making that power on stock internals

I'll literally PayPal you 1k usd if you can

Protip, a vortec isn't an ls1

>>17044909

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBVMaufrwjI

PayPal info lets go.

>>17044935
5.3 iron block

NOT AN LS1
KEEP TRYING

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>>17043515
Yet there are 5 second JZ's, while the fastest LS runs the quarter in 6.35

Keep sperging cuck

>>17044193
>Having to spend 20k on a 10 liter engine to be able to match an engine found in japanese taxis
Lol, how embarrassing

>>17044248
>>17044300
>b-but N/A is cheating!!!
Lol, look at this cuck

>>17044737
>BBC
LMAO is that what your gf gets on a daily basis or what?

>GM fangirls UNIRONICALLY name their engines after their cuckold fetish
KEK!!

Nice to see you cant defend that shitpile known as LS, cuck

>>17044787
Then post an LS powered car running down the quarter in 5 seconds you cuck

Stay BTFO GM cucks

>>17041426
460 is more than 435,stupid.

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>>17045382

Show me a 3 second 2jz... I'll wait...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDjxZgi5VXU

mfw even girls are too alpha for 6 cylinders.

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>>17045439
Thats not an LS1 you dumb cuck

Keep on sperging, glad you accept the fact that the LS is trash and don't even bother defending it anymore

(Btw remember NHRA banned OHC because pushcucks like you couldn't compete)

>>17045439
i fucking hate women who are into cars and just something about her is very unattractive.

>>17045477

She's got more balls than you'll ever have. I'm sure your oriental cartoon pillow is hotter.

>>17045439
Too bad top fuel doesn't permit the use of anything other than an ohv v8

Too bad gm shit is irrelevant in top fuel

Too bad none of this changes the fact the 21st century LS engine is btfo by an early 90s 3 litre taxi l6

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>>17045535

>>17041403
This post triggered a lot of v8fags

>>17045458
>>17045537
>No replies

Stay BTFO

What (I think) would have been a better comparison would be is the i6 from the m3 in the mid ninties that made similiar power to any of the boosted Japanese cars despite the lack of turbos. But then again it would still turn out the same shitfest were having now.

>>17041444
The highest "ls1" factory offering was a hybrid in the Firehawk. 385hp with modified ls6 heads.
Standard on a true LS was 305-315hp.
>>17041402
First response is always correct response.

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>>17041395
>let me compare a brand new engine to a 30 y.o engine
>needs like 6L to do anything
>still 2jz beats it unopened

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>>17047187
>LS1
>brand new engine

>>17047187
>LS
>Brand New

The LS is the third generation of the small block chevy, which first came out in 1955.

>>17047242
The LS isn't brand new, but it isn't like the other sbc's. The LS series started in 1997. That's still almost 6 years newer than the 2jz design.

>>17047242
>being this retarded

>>17041658
yeah no i own a ls1 and its fucking TINY compared to the huge 4.0l i6's i am used to

>>17047187
the ls1 is almost 20 years old are you high?

>>17041395
Gentlemans agreement

>>17041403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBVMaufrwjI

get rekt.

>>17047748
>iron block 5.3
NOT
AN
LS1

try again

>>17047769
>same engine
>made out of iron instead of aluminum

B-BUT ITS NOT THE SAME SO ITS SHIT

>>17047804
this thread is about the ls1
try and stay focused yeah

>>17043727
>ignoring all the people who have had theirs grenade

you are a fuckwit like he said, there is a difference between making the number once and being able to sustain it for long periods of time.

>>17047918
>ignoring all the people who have had theirs grenade
you mean dumb fuck backyard ebay tuner with an engine that has 260,000km on it? so relevant

>there is a difference between making the number once and being able to sustain it for long periods of time
yeah,
>blowing up after five minutes on the dyno (like anon the expert mk4 owner says)
and
>So far, it has exactly 98000km (61250 miles) on the odo... It has been subjected to 700+ WHP for about 20,000 km of driving and over 100+ dyno pulls, and slghtly over 900+ WHP for 16,000 km (8125 miles) of driving and over 60 dyno pulls. Now it has over 1K HP and about 10 dyno pulls and no driving yet (still snow outside). I only dare to take a stock longblock to this extent (everything stock; stock headbolts, stock head & valvetrain, stock original headgasket, etc..)

kys