LS swaps, why not?

>>17023938
Pushrods trigger faggots

because haters gonna hate
i'd love to get a mid to late 80s GM G body (like a regal or monte carlo) and throw an LS in it while keeping the body stock and go out and mess with people since almost no one expects them to be fast

inb4 pushrods

>>17023952
>g body
>Ls
Yes pls

>>17023938
Restore your AC and your credibility.

>>17023938
Are those Bassett wherls?

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>>17023952
>>17023958

>>17023938
The pushrods trigger faggots like alphonse, s/o/viet and the many bench racing faggots on this board.

LS swaps are boring as hell
easiest way to announce you dont care about cars

>>17024287
>LS swaps are boring as hell
Name a swap that isn't boring as hell.

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>>17023938
I kinda want to ls swap my van because it's so slow with the 318 Mopar. Maybe even a big turbo junkyard 4.8 setup. Thoughts?

>>17024305
Only if you truly love th4 vehicle and plan to keep it forever.
>>17024303
Why did you respond to obvious bait?

>>17024303
in this day and age swapping to what your car came with is actually more cool

something period correct is better too

LS swaps are just the "I dont care about this car and just want to go fast" and arent deserving of respect imo

>>17024314
It does have pretty significant sentimental value. Also it would be cool to make something a little more unique than the typical swap

>>17024303
Tesla Model S peripheral port 20B

>>17024324
>improve car signicantly
>don't care about it
Does not compute

People who claim LS swaps don't deserve respect have never done anything to their cars beyond caliper paint.

>>17024324
It's just a modern small block. I don't see the real issue.

LS miata swaps are cancer though.

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>>17024343
>>17024344
These

>>17024343
>I just want to go fast

sorry ur fucking stupid

LS swaps are the "it just works lol" of swaps

you dont care about it you just want to go fast and have zero talent or originality

>>17024264
Am I dumb? What car doesn't have pushrods

>>17024357
Cars with overhead camshafts. Yes you are dumb.

>>17024355
A car isn't a special snowflake art project. It's a machine that performs the function of moving you. If you actually had a car you'd understand that driving fast is fun, and when there's a lighter, extremely cheap, relatively fuel efficient, extremely comoon engine with kits that make it almost bolt it, it's retarded not to use it.
>>17024357
I think you're confusing piston rods with valve train rods

>>17024357
t. mouth breathing bench racer
Cars with engines that are OHC do not have pushrods.

>>17024374
wow

you really dont care about cars at all

guess I was right

>>17024357
Good cars don't have pushrods

>>17024383
Tell me why improving my machine to get the most enjoyment out of it is "not caring about cars". Tell me how fixing all the little problems with my machine that only I know about isn't caring about it.

>>17024398
you dont care about the car at all
you only care about yourself

soulless pleb like anyone who goes LS because "it just werks lol"

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>>17024391
You're correct. Only great cars have pushrods.
Reminder that pushrods push gods.

>>17024411
Spending shitloads of money and time to make something not as good fit or improve the ancient stocker is better because....?

>>17023938
LS swaps into old GM stuff are God tier, but I feel like it can be a little sad to LS swap something with a very different engine, like an rx7.
Kinda ruins the character of some cars.

Coyote > LS

>>17024414
its ok anon you have no soul

you wont understand

you even said it in that post
you dont like the car enough to put any effort into it

>>17024419
Only acceptable answer.

>>17024426
>fixing every little niggle in the wiring, spots of rust, cleaningredients and fixing the interior
>apparently I don't like the car enough to put effort into it

>>17024433
nope

thats nothing

just like the passion you have for the car

I love how much LS swapped RX7s/GT86s trigger people.

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>>17024419

Yeah it'll show it's character alright as it sits on your driveway waiting for an engine rebuild. If the swap makes the car more enjoyable and reliable then why not.

The LS is objectively the best balance of power potential, reliability, size, weight, cost and vast aftermarket support.
Subjectively you may not like it as much as another engine, but the same car with a built LS will almost always be faster.

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>b-b-but LS swaps ruin the balance in muh Rotary!

>LS engines weigh close to a 13b including the turbo

>>17023938
LS engines in a GM product is fine - although GM has produced so many engines, there's plenty of other optiosn to consider. A 70's Pontiac, Olds or Buick muscle car deserves on their their proprietary big blocks. In any Firebird/Camaro, they're a good swap though.

Outside of the GM world, there's so many other options you can and should consider. Especially Mopar and Ford products don't need an LS, because they also have some viable EFI V8's available that offer the same advantages that an LS offers.

>>17024305
Why bother swapping in a junkyard LS, when you can keep it in the family with a junkyard 5.7 Hemi?

>>17024303
W126 560 SEC with any Mercedes V12.

>>17024303
13B swapped into one of those Iron Duke powered Camaros/Firebird

>>17024391
Triggered the faggot

>>17023938
cant wait to see you at the s/o/cal meets , shes a beauty

>>17024421
Not if you need to actually fit the engine into a smaller bay.

They are also pretty shit for torque, but they can rev Ill give them that.

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What is the best V8?

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>>17024621

>>17024621
Best for what, nigger.

>>17024621
Ford 460

>>17024623
7.0L and 7000 rpm
Mah nigga

>>17024621
BIG BLOCK
I
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B
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C
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKOki34YkK4

>>17024628
everything

>>17024375
How am I a bench racer? If anything I like cara cuz I had to fix mine

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>>17024621

>>17024357
>>17024367
While I got y'all replying, I guess I'll ask, how come my dual overhead cam engine has pushrods?

>>17024750
>my dual overhead cam engine has pushrods?
N-NANI?

>>17024750
I assume you're talking about the piston rods. They're talking about valvetrain rods.

>>17024750
but that's impossible unless the camshafts are a foot above the valves. What engine do you have?

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>>17024750
You must be confusing pushrods with something else.

>>17024303
Someone did a TT L28 swap into an FD and it was hilarious

What's the point of putting the same engine in multiple different cars? Fucking boring. The LS has boring characteristics and sounds like shit and only has torque and light weight going for it. I'd never swap one, even into an older Chevy. You could swap electric motors into an car and make it faster than an ls, but that would be boring, wouldn't it? That's what everyone thinks of LS swaps.

Way more fun driving a car with the engine is was designed for.

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>>17024478
You mouthed off to someone who actually knew their shit you dumb nigger.

>>17024833
>That's what i thinks of LS swaps.
fixed

>>17024374
Confirmed for anti-enthusiast. Leave this board you goof

>>17024578
>big block
>Pontiac

This meme needs to stop.

>>17024841
Retardedly ls fags can't even form coherent arguments

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Any other swap videos/series on youtube like Binky?

>>17024833
>boring characteristics
Explain further
>sounds like shit
If you don't like a cross plane v8 with an X or h pipe you have pretty unusual taste.
>Only has torque and light weight
430hp isn't a lot? Readily available swap kits, standalone ECUs, huge aftermarket support for even more power, all mean nothing?
>electric motor into anything
>boring

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>>17024781
>about 1/3 of the crank is in the oil

>>17024844
Read my whole post and not just the first sentence.
>>17024835
Th-thanks

>>17024833
>You could swap electric motors into an car and make it faster than an ls, but that would be boring, wouldn't it?

No, it's not feasible or cost effective nor is it likely to be faster with the electric motors and battery packs available to the average consumer and its range would be pathetic.

>>17024867
MMM, WINDAGE.

Best place to source an LS from?

>>17024925
Your local junkyard, they're bound to have at least one truck with a 5.3 there.

>>17024925
Wrecked 04-06 GTOs or the FWD Impala SS/GTPs if aluminum is your poison.

>>17024931
that 5.3 is gonna be a Vortec though

>>17024925
Iron block: truck in a junkyard
Aluminum block: t-boned or rear ended camaro
Many coins: crate engine

>>17024938
Easier to boost the fuck out of.

>>17024925

From a wrecked truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhAiNvN4Nxk

>>17024845
Big block Pontiacs are the best though. My dad had a big block 455

>>17024578

The junkyard HEMIs can cost more than an entire LS swap

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>>17024950
You're killing me, Smalls.

>>17024938
It's in the LS family. All GM V8's after the 350 Chevy ended in the mid 90's are LS based.

If you're thinking aluminum block LS, search Craigslist and join local GM Facebook pages or clubs. LS1 is very common, LS2 is actually the rarest, LS3 is more common but is the newest so still Pricey

>>17024968
Fuck you. The 455 BBP is one of the meanist engines around

>>17024873
I did read it. You're clearly not a driver and you're boring.

>>17024862
>boring characteristics
Explain further

Revs low and has the chunkiest power delivery available. You can feel the end of each full power stroke, it feels like ass

>sounds like shit
If you don't like a cross plane v8 with an X or h pipe you have pretty unusual taste.

It sounds like a truck. V8s aren't my favourite as far as noise goes in the first place, but the LS sounds awful. Sounds weirdly empty and generic.

>Only has torque and light weight
430hp isn't a lot? Readily available swap kits, standalone ECUs, huge aftermarket support for even more power, all mean nothing?

You could spend that 10-15 grand making almost any engine MUCH faster than an LS.
>electric motor into anything
>boring
You're part of the I wanna go fast but don't care about handling or driving pleasure crew, like the rest of ls fags

>>17024987
Okay I don't care if I'm being trolled I am compelled to say this- There is no such as a big block or small block Pontiac. Every Pontiac V8 is externally identical and based off the same block.

>>17024935
The aluminium FWD LS4 is a bitch to hook though. You're better off with any other aluminium 5.3 (L33, LH6, LC9, LH8).

>>17024947
Any 5.3, aluminium or iron, will take boost like champ though - unless you get the flat-top pistons which add some compression.

>>17024993
The LS isn't meant to sound pretty and harmonic like something out of a BMW. It's meant to sound mean and nasty like the cars it goes in, which it does perfectly

>>17024993
>the chunkiest power delivery available. You can feel the end of each full power stroke, it feels like ass

You're not saying anything- These are not technical terms. You might as well be saying "I don't like it because I don't like it."

>>17024966
No. You can still get a 5.7 for about 3K, which is amazingly cheap considering how good the stock heads on those are - a big cam will make a big difference in terms of power. You're just kinda spoiled by the LS being hilariously cheap, although you're not getting a true LS for 3K, but probably a truck motor instead.

>>17025006
Are you honestly trying to tell me a big ass 455 is small?? lol wtf are you talking about?

>>17025024
It sounds nasty alright
>>17025032
Not the type to appreciate subtleties I see

>>17024835
mouthed off to someone with 0 passion for cars*

>>17025035
"Big block" and "small block" delineations have nothing to do with the displacement of the engine in question. Chevrolet had a big block that displaced 396 cubic inches and a small block that displaced 400 cubic inches. The designation is divorced from displacement.

>>17025052
Nooooooooooooo

>>17024993
The torque curve looks pretty normal to me. Are you referring to stock exhaust sound? Because modern stock exhausts a shit.
>making X engine much faster than ls
But sometimes you just want a given power level and not a monster. An LS is a fantastic update to any 60s or 70s muscle car.

And what if I told you I like electric motor swaps because they're unique and interesting? I just wouldn't do one myself.
https://youtu.be/B8bV8SKeQOo

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>>17025075
Forgot pic

>>17025047
No, I'm just not the type to lap up shit from someone talking out of their ass. You are incapable of "feeling" the end of a power stroke because a power stroke is happening thousands of times per minute. What you're more likely attempting to get at is a gearing problem where the vehicle is geared too tall so it feels like it "falls off" at the end of each gear. You might be right though, I'm not big on subtleties, especially when you're making how ignorant you are about engines known in such an unsubtle way.

>>17025092
Btfo

>>17025035
Big and small block are just designations for how long the short block (ie just the block, no pistons or crankshaft) was. It had nothing to do with how big the cylinders are.

>>17025092
Throw a big 2 cylinder in your car and tell me it feels smooth. This is what push rods feel like.

>tfw no big block pontiac

>>17025179
Are you referring to vibration?

>>17025179
What does the number of cylinders have to do with the characteristics of valvetrain actuation?

>>17025179
Pushrods ain't pretty big boy. If you can't handle a couple of bumps, maybe you should get a prius :^)

>>17025179
Come on mother fucker, this ain't rocket science- What does the number of cylinders have to do with the characteristics of valvetrain actuation?

>>17025256
A lot

>>17023952
Black guy at my job did exactly this. Bought an 83 Regal and dropped an LS 1 in it to troll the tuner fags that roam NOVA.

>>17025353
>NOVA
God damn where is he? Is he that nigger with the neon srt4?

>>17025189
No. Power delivery.if you can't feel what I'm feeling you're fucked. Think inline 5 vs inline 6.
>>17025200
Instead of 4 or 5 valves opening at precise timing, you have 2 or 3 opening whenever(figurative, they are just less refined, but I don't expect you to pick up on that kind of gentle sarcasm cause you're a REAL MAN HARHAR)
>>17025205
This guy is a real man, tell ya hwat

>>17025453
To expand on this and make it really clear, having more cylinders generally makes power delivery smoother. So does DOHC. Ever driven an old triumph with a push rod 4 cylinder? You'll understand what I'm talking about if you do.

This is why rotaries have ridiculously smooth power delivery. No valve train.

>>17025453
>less refined

I'll play ball- How is it "less refined?" What are the determining factors that cause the valves of pushrod engine to open "whenever?"

>>17025453
>pussy cries about other people not being pussies
That's it, let all your feelings out sweetie

>>17023938
I thought that LS swaps were overdone.

Then I bought a boat with a factory ls1 pushing 235kw stock

Even with a 4-speed slushbox, it's a fantastic fucking engine, pretty damn smooth and sounds great

Can't even imagine how good it must be on something small like an mx5

>>17025470
>valve train affecting power delivery
STOP POSTING ANY TIME
What makes rotates sound like they do and drive like they do has to do with each rotor always being in all stages of the combustion cycle. Not valvetrain.

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>>17024833
>only has torque and light weight going for it
only?

the only other things you've described are 'characteristics' (whatever that means) and 'sound'.

sound? is that what's BORING to you anon? Here's why you do an LS swap: to go faster than before.

>>17025470
>generally makes power delivery smoother

What is with this weasel word bullshit you keep pulling out of your ass? "Generally-" What are the exceptions then, WHY are there exceptions? If there are exceptions, why is your apparent generality something you're swearing by? All a greater number of cylinders does is bypass the inherent material weaknesses of a mechanical system that has been upsized and in extreme cases the inertia of a system (but is more a material issue.) Ferrari V12s are peaky fuckers which is why they have nasty transmissions with a shitload of gears, dual clutches and so forth- All to keep them in the upper RPMs.

Rotaries are the same way, they are incredibly peaky engines that don't make much in the way of power before 4 grand and then come on hard as hell because they're making enough boost or have adequate intake charge velocity and peak hard precisely because they don't have a valvetrain- The window of time for the intake charge to pack the combustion chamber gets smaller smaller the faster the engine spins.

Everyone above this line where a retard.

>>17025542
What line?

>>17025542
Nice post

>>17025389
Dude lives in DC and works in Alexandria and drives an xb as his daily. However now that its warm out he brings the G body in sometimes.

>>17025559
Ahhh not the guy I'm thinking about then. Sounds based though

>>17025557
Thanks u I'm cume pants

>>17025608
Alright bb

>>17025614
It's lamb fart now

(to the TUNE OF: FAMILY GUY JOKE, john footpenis says it's Hancock now. Fhnnnyyyyyy JOKE)

s/o/viet is the worst poster on this board at the moment.

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>>17025837
Thanks I try my best

>>17025034

The main difference between the truck and the car motors are the that the block is iron and the bolt-ons are different. They are all interchangeable and the weight penalty is minimal.

Nitpicking the difference between the engines is just pathetic since the later truck heads outflow most of the stock LS heads. All you need to fill the gap is a cam (which most people swap anyway)

>>17024833
>You could swap electric motors into an car and make it faster than an ls, but that would be boring, wouldn't it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pxux37H4qg

>>17023938
Is this your Camaro, OP?

>>17026049
Yeah, I used to try go get that across, but I stopped trying, to many boneheads here. I swapped using a truck block. Bolted on some previous accessories and everything is great, love it.
Another (albeit unrelated) ls misconception, a 6.0 will lose tq down low using ls3 (or truck rectangular port) heads instead of the stock 317. In a real world scenario it doesnt. There's slightly more tq and the power comes on much stronger 3000+.

>>17026403
Yes. It's a 77.
>>17024258
No they are US Wheels I wasn't happy with the way the bassets looked on my co-workers drag t-type regal so I went with these.


Oh boy is it great to see people getting triggered here.

So a consensus:
If you put any amount of money into a motor, you could put the same into an LS and get even more power.

The sound? That's subjective so that argument doesn't count, plus ask any one how a cammed LS sounds and 99% will say "good" any cammed V8 sounds good.

If you care more about originality and keeping true to the car (say rx7) then that's fine but you'll be spending more money for less power.

At the end of the day an LS will be easier to swap than any coyote (those boat anchors are so big they barely fit under the hood of anything with out extensive mods)

Cheeper than any motor for power per dollar (I spent 3k total in mine with motor tranny, ECU, and parts to reseal the motor) and now have 300 how reliably.

My motor and trans has 180k on it and runs strong as ever.

Again you see them in everything, but there is a reason for it; easy, cheap and reliable.

>>17028871
Shit that thing is awesome my dude, I was just gonna ask about those D windows too, what size are they? They fucking look great.

Also putting a 5.3 in a Chevelle, trying to out what I want to do with the oil pan, don't want to pay $200 for a shit pan and I really don't want to pay $350 for a Holley. Thinking about just chopping the truck pan.

>>17024303
Ls1 swap

>>17024343
numales.

>muh class, muh special snowflake
>results? HAHAHHA grandpa it's about how you look!

Also see cafe racers for more from the LS hating crowd

>>17023938
LS swaps are great as long as you keep them in cars made by GM

>>17029133
Why?

>>17029156
if we wanted your input we'd send you a PM on furaffinty

>>17029168
So basically autism, gotcha

>>17029171
Isn't that the only reason anyone would not go with an LS anyway?

>>17024621
Without a doubt the small block chevy, years of service, easy horsepower builder, cheap parts, interchangeability.. they rev great...just the best engines ever made........but these new ls motors will take the title once they have been around half as long....they are sweet. Whether turbo or nitrous set up they are beast,they can take a beating.....

>>17026049
>The main difference between the truck and the car motors are the that the block is iron
Except some truck blocks are aluminium, and some car blocks are iron. The difference isn't just in the boltons, the difference is mainly in the power output and the internals. Nitpicking might be minor, but there's a significant difference between LS head flow and the Hemi. A cammed 5.7 Hemi will make more power than a similarly cammed 5.7 ''LS'', thanks to that head flow.

>>17029369
VE is everything and Hemi heads have got it in spades.

>>17023938
In stuff with a Ford Cleveland you can leave that motor in there, put good heads on it and get similar numbers. Plus there's EFI gear and electronic ignitions available already.

I don't mind LSes but I'm not a huge fan of the sound, which is why I don't like them too much -- but if it's your car, go right ahead, your car.

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>>17029393
Can confirm, Windsor and Cleveland v8s make
sounds that make my balls tingle. I'm not op but I seriously considered swapping in a 351 in my Camaro before I bought my lq4.

>>17028940

If you are concerned about the pan just order an OEM, no need to go aftermarket because they are so common.

>>17029369

Yes, there are aluminium truck blocks but the L33 are not as common. I just checked some of the local junkyards and lower mileage iron blocks start at $300 and higher mileage L33s are starting at $600. Far cry from the HEMIs starting $700 for just short blocks while most of the LSx are complete long blocks.

Personally I prefer the iron because they take boost like fucking champions

>>17029523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ePczeI8RM
For instance. Flat tappet motor and all.

>>17029531
It's not just the L33 that's aluminium, you also have the LH6, LH8 and LC9. I personally prefer the aluminium ones because it's an easy weight savings where you need it most: over the front axle. Sure, the Hemi's are more expensive, but you get what you pay for there. They are certainly a better fit for Mopar applications.

>Personally I prefer the iron because they take boost like fucking champions
Nope. Iron or aluminium doesn't matter. What matters is that you have any 5.3 with the low compression pistons, not the flat tops. Doesn't matter if it's iron or not.

>>17024621
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_V8_engines
one of my fav

>>17029538
>00:37
I came.

>>17029393
Sound can be fixed with a cam but most aftermarket system sound fine

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>>17024867
hand crafted
folded 1000 times
cut though oil with ease

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>>17025353
>83 Regal
>LS swap
>Trolling shitty tuner fags from Northern Virginia

>>17029601
I've heard lots and lots of header systems, intakes, cams, etcetera.

Valve placement's a lot harder to edit and unless you severely, -severely- port the motors they still have that fundamental LS rasp.

Some love it, but it's not for me. The ridge-floored Cleveland heads and small port Windsors, the huge angle Hemis and porcupine rat motors are all way up the chain from the LS -- it was built for power in the midrange and that's what it sounds like.

>>17029807
A friend of mine owned a business that brought in about fifty million a year. He asked me what the craziest sleeper we could make was. We put a turbo LS2 in a mint 2002 Buick LeSabre that we converted to rear drive. Took us over a year, but the looks we got at the strip and red lights was worth it.

>>17029918

I need pictures of this, my mother in law had a le sabre and I wanted to do the same thing until she destroyed it.

>>17024935
>if aluminum is your poison.
Daily reminder that it's not an LS if it isn't aluminum.

Look it up. There are several non-LS aluminum smallblocks, but your iron truck engine is not an LS

>>17023938
LS swaps are common so people are bored with them, but they are an excellent engine which is why it's so commonly swapped in the first place. they aren't perfect by any means, but when you start with a strong platform that was tossed into just about any vehicle that GM made, and has a gigantic aftermarket it's going to be a popular swap.

>>17023946
huh, i thought faggots liked pushing rods

>>17024303
If you'd don't own one, seeing them on Instagram then yes it looks boring. But it's alot of power in a car you like and realible

>>17024634
No, gm and Chrysler beat that shit into the ground.

>>17024950
Made ok power but not much else. Heavy for bigblock, not the most power, and not that many made with good HP.

>>17024303
GMC 'Twin Six' V12 dropped inside the body of a 1970's Chevy fullsize van.

Just a RapeVan filled with Minuteman ICBM carrier engine rather than candy.

>>17024590
yeah..40% of the time, starts every time!

rotary fucking garbage.

>>17024781
crank doesn't sit in oil, you mongoloid.

also, that's probably bait.

>>17034664
>crank doesn't sit in oil
what the fuck am I reading

>>17028871
Oh shit this thread is still up. He drives on the Bassetts and they're fine? They're literally the only wheel with that style available in 4 x 4.25 (going onto a foxbody), and I've been able to find shit-all about them online apart from one thread on an ancient forum just showing how they looked.

2jz swap it instead

>>17024651
Jesus, it literally explodes to start the engine

>>17036074
>europoors are THIS scared of american v8s

>>17036090
Why would you shitpost someone complimenting an engine?

>>17036097
B^)

>>17036090
>american
Nice try cunt

My problem with LS Swaps are those retards who take JDM and drop LSs on them.

I mean if you want a V8 powered car, why you don't buy american then? Fucking triggers me when i see a nice RX-7 but when he starts the car it's a fucking LS.

>>17036129
RX7 is stupid to me, but an S-chassis not so much since those cars are just made to do dumb things to, much like foxbodies.

>>17036146

True, but still, i'd rather throw a RB26DETT on a S-Body than an LS.

Imagine like if someone throws a 20B on a double-windowed '67 Corvette.

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>>17036090
TFW When it turns about I'm not a European nor afraid of V8's (Hell, I even own one)

>>17036162
Personally I'd think that's fucking hilarious. S-chassis aren't really rare, and they're not special, why not do different things with them?