Why are trucks so fucking expensive?

>>17013802
Because they're practically luxury SUVs at this point.

>>17013814
Pretty much this.

>>17013814
pretty much this.
Remember all those big American luxury barges that didn't survive the 80s?
Well the people who would buy those now buy trucks.

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Cause americunts are so gullible and goyim knows it

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>waiting for the gas price to surge again so you can see all the truck fags and SUV cunts bleed again like in 2008
Will they ever fucking learn?

>>17013802
Google says that base Silverados are 27k. That's not too bad. F150s are about the same, too. Order a base model if you want a cheap new pickup. Or if you're willing to go lower, the GMC Canyon starts at 20k.

>>17013842
>and goyim knows it
You can't even meme correctly, retard. Goyim are the non-jews.

Nobody's forcing you to get the $70k longkingranchmonsterxxx edition. You don't need fucking $800 floormats or the $1500 interior protection package (2 cans of scotch guard) You can get a pretty decent loaded model for $40k which is the same as a nice sedan or a basic crossover. Or if you don't need 4x4 you can get a base model for under 30k. They're not expensive when you consider how much vehicle you get eg. The big engine, 4x4 system big wheels and tires, etc.

>>17013850
Shit, I an XLT with the "luxury" trim, 5.0L V8, heated seats, etc for $28k. Lariats weren't too much more at the time either.

They're not all too expensive assuming you're a jew and wait until the end of a model year to buy one.

No fucking clue

Pic related is 77k


Honestly the retired construction workers who usually buy these would be better off with an Escalade or a navigator

>>17013850
>base model
I'm not a plebian cuck. The good trucks don't cost less than 40k

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>>17013850
Work trucks best trucks.

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>>17013872
Shit

>>17013850
I live in the PNW and see a fuck ton of sloots and hipster fags drive these shits. Why would you buy one unless you do manual labor or live on a farm? Seems like most are compensating for something.

>>17013876
>trucks
>good
If you needed a truck you'd take a cheap one. Clearly you don't need a truck then, so why are you complaining about not being able to afford one?

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>>17013879
>>17013872
Aluminum is expensive

>>17013880

Why do you drive a "sports car" when you drive it on the roads 99% of the time like a normal car? You must be compensating right?

Trucks are comfy, aren't terrible on gas anymore and are pretty much the same size as most crossovers or even cars now days.

>>17013900
>pretty much the same size as most crossovers or even cars now days
If you're blind on both eyes. The fattest SUVs may be approaching truck widths, but even then they're missing several feet in length, and even then actual cars will still be half a foot narrower.

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>This is definitely not enough truck for me. I totally need a full size truck even though I don't even need a truck.

>>17013890
both of these pictures trigger me

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>>17013913

A Tesla model S has a 196'' wheelbase
A F150 has a 164'' wheelbase
The Tesla is probably wider too.

I have 2016 XLT. One a few truck I've have/had.

I have house on a few acres with a zero turn, walk behind, 16' tandem axle trailer, and a camper. It was a no brainer for me. I also have a older Camry that I can tool around in but I never drive it. I prefer the truck but I live out of the city a ways so it's not like I have to park it downtown.

I'm actually looking for a 1 ton with a flat bed. I've had my eye on an older ford tractor that would be pushing it to try and tow with my F150 but a 1 ton with a gooseneck trailer should be no problem.

>>17013940
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_S
>Wheelbase 2,960 mm (116.5 in)
>Length 4,976 mm (195.9 in)
>Width 1,964 mm (77.3 in)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_F-Series_%28thirteenth_generation%29
>Wheelbase 122.4 in (3,109.0 mm) (Regular cab 6.5' box) [...] 163.7 in (4,158 mm) (SuperCab 8' box)
>Length 209.3 in (5,316.2 mm) (Regular cab 6.5' box) [...] 250.5 in (6,363 mm) (SuperCab 8' box)
>Width 79.9 in (2,029 mm)

Or did you really think the Tesla would have a 16'4" wheelbase?

>>17013957

Whoops. The truck is still barely bigger though... So why drive a sedan that can only do one thing?

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>>17013980
>between over a foot and over four feet longer
>barely bigger
Also the Model S is already a large sedan. Most cars are yet another good bit smaller.

The last time I had to get something truck sized (it was a van) down the driveway by the house I had to fold in the mirrors and get help from a spotter, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have gotten it into the garage.

Also I can just buy a fucking trailer and get more cargo space than in a truck without having to haul it around with me EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY like a truck bed.

>>17014036

It's your fault you live somewhere depressing like that pic. In the developed world we don't use 1000 year old horse trails so we don't have size issues.

Trailers are a fucking pain in the ass and cars aren't designed for towing here.

That picture is so fucking depressing, It looks like a kids toy setup.

>>17014069
So basically you're too dumb to handle trailers and too stupid or lazy to engineer your cars for them. Good to know.

>>17013850

>base 27k
>not bad

top lol

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>>17014069
Also the same cars that aren't rated for towing in the US are rated for towing in Europe. That's how terrible you stupid cuntbags are with trailers. Not even your redneck government is trusting you with them.

>>17013864

$40k is a lot to spend on a truck. Even base models are typically mid to high 20s. That's way too much

>>17014036
>>17014124

What is it with Europeans wanting to tow with the lightest smallest vehicles possible? A heavier vehicle with a longer wheelbase it going to be a superior tow vehicle.

>>17013802
Because they're literally turning into fat luxury sedans with a large exposed trunks.

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>>17014080
We can handle trailers just fine. But why use them if we don't have to? You don't need to be an engineer to know why towing with a fwd sedan is a bad idea. We also have hills and 100x the distances to cover in North America.

>>17014123
27k on an not even 200hp brz or 27k on a big, comfy and more useful vehicle...Hmm tough call.

>>17014128
Your never going to get a brand new truck for $20k. Wake the fuck up. If $5k-10k is a dealbreaker for you then you shouldn't be looking at a truck because you likely won't be able to afford the gas either.

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Just hook me up with a single cab truck or "extended" cab, nice comfy yet simple interior like pic related, lot of bed room so I can store and haul shit and that would suffice for me.

I don't need all the extra bullshit.

The same reason pretty much anything happens: because people are dumb enough to pay for it

>>17014138
Neither of those loads come anywhere near the weight of the vehicle, and those cars are much nicer to drive when not towing ie in 99.9% of their use.

>>17014214
>he has never ridden in a new fullsize pick up

They ride very well desu.

>>17014184
200 pounds of tongue weight is like putting 200 pounds in the trunk, and no car is going to violenty veer off course from a lack of traction at the front wheels because of 200 pounds in the trunk. All this small tow vehicle paranoia is highly exaggerated, it's almost as if Americans are brainwashed by Detroit into thinking that only trucks can tow.

>>17013900
>drive it on the roads like a normal car

speak for yourself, i hoon everywhere i go

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>>17014124

It's because you faggots don't have any hills and traffic moves slow as fuck because 70hp diesels. There's more to towing than getting something rolling on flat ground.

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>>17014245
Half the US aren't any hillier than most of Europe, and I'm allowed to tow at 62 mph which is very nearly the speed limit in half the US, and towing at 75 mph will only cost me 30 bucks in fines.

>>17014245
Is he actually pulling that at all?

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>>17014235

There's a reason semi trailers don't have the wheels in the fucking middle like you fucking idiots use on your cute little fisher price utility trailers. It just makes shit unstable. I suggest you people watch a video on towing practices in the developed world.

>>17014261
Looks like all the serious hills are in asia and throughout the middle east.

>>17014266
of course. Do you think the Toyota Tundra out of frame could do it?

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>>17014273
>hurr
88,000 lbs

best pickup for truck-tent level camping?

>>17014278
Youre going to be SOL pulling a trailer in desert dunes though

>>17014310
I've used a 2011 Silverado with no complaints.

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>>17014293
That's cute. That's truck is literally a faggot. Why can't you guys do anything right? That's depressing.

>>17014328
that is basically an RV
i'm aiming for 90s tacoma at the moment. it doesn't have to look good, just not die

>>17014310
>truck-tent level camping?
Like hauling your tent and other supplies in the bed? Literally anything you can afford.

>>17014330
How does one person manage to move goal posts and miss points so hard? I was posting a regular everyday occurance truck combination that gets by fine despite not having half the trailer weight lunged on top of the tractor. You counter by posting some COMPLETELY unrelated heavy transport. Congratulations, you're a retard, do you want me to put a medal into your face?

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>>17014344
Don't touch the Tacomas. Pic related. Look at a Dodge Dakota, Chevy S10/Colorado or Ford Ranger instead.

trucks look incredibly stupid now.
you know what else is retardedly expensive, sprinter vans.
id much rather have a sprinter van but those shits start at like 35k

>>17014367
You're free to buy a vastly inferior last century Chevy Express with exactly one roof height to choose from.

>>17014361

Your the one that posted a horribly engineered example of a commercial truck in a pickup truck thread. This whole thing is a shitpostfest so fuck it.

tldr: You euro's fucking suck at towing in general and shouldn't be telling people how to do it.

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>>17014344
>>17014366
Or you could buy a Volkswagen jetta and do the conversion from Smythe Kit cars. The bed on these is rated for about 800 lbs, so plenty.

>>17014377
>us Americans need oversized shitbarges for any amount of towing, therefore Europeans suck at it
Nice logic, buttface.

>>17013872
>>17013879
The only people who these are people that need to tow. You're projecting.

>>17014366
>Don't touch the Tacomas.
the sticky would like a word with you

>>17014387
>Volkswagen jetta
what the fuck am I looking at holy shit

>>17014200
why dont they make fully loaded single cabs trucks anymore? those would make a good seller for people on a average budget but would want something nice.

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>>17014387
OH MY FUCK >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>17014408
>the sticky would like a word with you
We're redoing the sticky and removing the Tacoma from it. The Toyota tax on them has gotten ridiculous and one of the top contenders for replacing it on the sticky is the Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon.

>>17014438
>>17014408
>what the fuck am I looking at holy shit
https://www.smythkitcars.com/gallery-1

They also recently released an ute conversion kit for the 2005-2010 Dodge Charger.
https://www.smythkitcars.com/new-products

>>17014438

>we actually have /an/ /o/ crossposters

>>17014454
>Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon
good to know, thanks!

>>17014462
Huh wtf is /an/ I just saved the image of that snow possum the fuck are you on about m8?

>>17014230
But they're a bitch to park or use on narrow streets.

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This thing wasn't that expensive desu. Pic related

>>17014562
>narrow streets
What are these?
>they're a bitch to park
Not regular cab trucks

>>17013848
This. I love stupid short sighted people making mistakes and getting fucked financially. Especially boomers. Fuck them.

>>17014184
Why must Americans always be accompanied by 50,000 pounds of junk in order to enjoy the outdoors?

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>>17015550

Because we have the freedom to enjoy our toys in the wilderness. ...And we actually have outdoors. Camping for us isn't sitting in a muddy sheep field it's getting swampdonkey'd and playing with sick toys.

>>17013920
a 4wd canyon runs almost $50k. And in 2 door base trim they are absolute shit and not worth more than $14k.

>go to gmc website
>click canyon
>FIRST option
>4wd
>truck is now $36,620
LOL. Trucks lure you in with a GARABGE base vehicle so they can pretend they are cheap. Add ANY options, you're paying over $40k The base models are over priced by about $10k for what you get.

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I sort of want a new raptor desu. Only thing stopping me is that they cost more than a BMW M2 which is a super tough sell.

>>17015597
You could buy a decently loaded f150 and buy aftermarket parts that are WAY better for less. After all the dealer shit, you'll be paying almost $55k for one.

>>17015593
>truck is now $36,620

So 3 grand more than a 4cyl CVT Accord?

I don't think a truck is in your budget if you think that's a lot for a truck...

>>17015620

MSRP on a base CVT 4cyl accord is $23k, not $33k

>>17015597
>New raptor
>Ecoshit v6
>Not a 5.0 v8 twin turbo

Pass

>>17015620
I think all trucks are overpriced. I've been in the canyon, it needs options to be something I would ever consider owning. Then you put any options it's more than a full sized truck.

Also the accord starts at $22k faggot. http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-sedan#build-price

>>17015632

It's 33k with a couple added options to make it not a piece of shit and all the taxes and bullshit. Even then it's not a very impressive car for $33k. If anything cars are too expensive.

>>17013802
4x2 are cheap, I could have gotten platinum 4x2 for the price of 4x4 loaded Xlt. But I wanted 3.7 rear with bench seat front so went with fully load xlt. So far so good btw msrp was 53k

>>17015641

Why are you comparing a base model car to a "upscale GMC" truck loaded with bullshit options? Get the Coloraydo if your too poor for a GMC. You load up vehicles with enough electronics to please an autistic Asian then bitch that it's too expensive...

>>17015645
LOL no it's not. I JUST build one at Honda.com

>cvt
>2017
>4 door accord
>back up sensors
>remote start
>wireless phone charger
$26,333

The most expensive one is $28,900.

>>17015667
18-inch Diamond Cut Alloy Wheel
$2,093 x
Subtotal
$33,013
Destination and Handling
$875
Total MSRP as Built
$33,888
MSRP *

>buying a 1/4 truck

Only the Tacoma is worth buying, even then it's the same price as a half ton

>>17015659
>upscale
LOLOLOLOL. The base with 4x4 isn't "upscale" at all. Idiot. And you are just making up prices. KYS cuck. You mad you bought an overpriced POS truck?

>fully loaded accord (the car YOU brought up)
>leather etc
>$29k
>add navi $1k

GMC canyon
>short box
>v6 (not the diesel)
>leather
>$39,900
>add diesel
>$43,500
>no other options

>>17013848
>>17015491
poorfags that don't have 3 gas savers and a truck

>>17015674
>adding all the possible shit ever
>including DnH
>adding nigger wheels for no reason
>comparing it to a base canyon
LOL. Add all the options you can to a canyon and tell me where it is, faggot.

>I just did it, it's $48,850
And I left a LOT of options on the table.

>>17013814
And because people keep paying that much for them. Idiots.

>>17015687

Okay so your at 43k.... Which gets you a base BMW 3 series if that. Still, The truck is giving you way more bang for the buck considering what it can do. Like I said before. If another 5-10 grand is triggering your jew curls then a truck isn't for you. Maybe "your type" needs a Subaru.

>>17013802
They're not. Midsize trucks are artificially inflated because so many idiots want them. A 20 year old Tacoma with half a million miles in shit condition is like 10k minimum because bros are boner obsessed.

Full sized trucks are good value. Although they're a ripoff to buy used unless 6+ years old. They hold like 90% of the value until then, then drop off a fucking cliff suddenly.

>>17015715
I own a truck. I'm just not dumb enough to buy a fucking canyon. It's overpriced as fuck. It should be $30k WITH 4x4 and a v6 and leather.

>>17015717

Modern trucks are built to be leased. That's why dealerships are always doing special 2 and 4 year zero maintenance lease offers. Unless you want resale then go buy a less capable Taco for 10 grand more.

>>17013955
you have everything but a grasp on grammar

>>17015727
Tablets in the dashboard make every vehicle built to be leased. Good luck replacing those in five years like you could with DIN radios.

New trucks: ONLY luxury
Old trucks: Truck tax because they're the most practical vehicles on the planet

Life is suffering

>>17015633
>b.. but I NEED MUH MASCULINE V8

The Ecoboost works perfectly fine for what it can accomplish, I swear you people who talk shit about it will always just give out a half assed excuse on why you don't like it. Begone V8 peasant.

>>17015780

Buy a base model or a fleet truck ffs. But let me guess... Your autistic ass needs bluetooth and shit?

>>17015789
>paying way too much money for lesser equipment
LOL. Why do you fags always justify the absurd costs these manufacturers charge? $60k for an f150 with some suspension shit you can get on the internet for $500

>but izz calleeedd RAPTOOORRRRR

>>17015789

Trucks are supposed to be simple, rugged and reliable work tools. Squeezing big HP from a car engine is the opposite of that...

>>17015798
Anon have you actually gone and looked at a base model truck? They are luxury by default. Fleet trucks are just standard models that you get a discount on for buying in bulk.

>>17014387
I loaded my jetta up with about 6-800 lbs last summer, the VR6 was fine with it but fucked my clutch up. clutch / dual mass flywheel is probably the weakest link.
the single mass flywheel kits aren't much better

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>>17015815

I've been in lots of work trucks. Pretty luxurious alright.

>>17015805
image being this retarded.

that's a monster fucking engine under the hood, you know damn well they're not going to just give it to you at a low price, poorfag. Same goes for all the other shit that comes exclusive for a Raptor, shit that you ignored. The cheapest you can go is around $48k according to Ford.

>>17015811
>Trucks are supposed to be simple, rugged and reliable work tools.

we're at that time where that doesn't even apply to most pickup truck buyers anymore. Hell, the Raptor is not your everyday blue collar workhorse anyway, it's just another huge offroader for you to beat it to shit by jumping dunes or whatever the fuck you plan to do with it offroad. You already know if someone buys this thing, they're not gonna be using it as a work truck obviously.

>>17015815
Comfy? Sure, I guess. But they're far from luxury, it terms of "elegance".

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>>17014069
Funniest fucking thing I've read on here in awhile!
You made my night sir!

>>17015620
>>17015645
you're trying so hard you're resorting to flat our lies.
a fully loaded v6 accord touring MSRP is 35k and sells for around 30k.
gtfo of here with your fake ass bullshit

>>17014366

I went looking at a 1998 dodge Dakota, yesterday.

What I found was a C-channel frame that had too much rust for me not to walk away from it.

Similarly with the 1993 chebby c/k Silverado a couple days earlier. Found too much rust on the frame and it too had c-channels.

The whole "only Toyotas have C-channel frames and they rust" meme is a bit overplayed.

I don't even live anywhere where they salt the roads. And the only truly rotten vehicles I have seen are USDM vehicles

>>17013872
Can the Escalade tow 40k

>>17017211
What part of retired don't you understand?

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>tfw you're trying not to fall for the truck meme and are aware that trailers are more rational but trucks look so damn cool
On a side note why don't Americans ever use roof boxes?

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>>17013878
>chevy
>work truck

>>17017274
>I need a Cummins to haul a bunch of ladders and buckets around town

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>>17017224
What part of retired DON'T YOU understand he's gotta tow his big boat

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>>17017224
Here's your escalade

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>>17017302
>The United States of JUST PUT ALL THE WEIGHT ON THE HITCH BRO IT'S SAFER

>>17017234
usually see them on minivans

>>17014123
>being poor

hehehe

>>17017234
I live close to the ski mountains so I see fuckloads of roof racks.
>>17017323
It's funny how autistic Europe gets over vehicle safety yet it's legal to pull this shit off.

>>17017323

I wouldnt mind treating your mom to a nice boat ride.

>>17013850
>Google says that base Silverados are 27k.
>base truck
>27k

Jesus fucking christ. I remember when """mid""" sized trucks started at the same price as Camry's, if not a little cheaper.

>>17017957

That's literally the same price as a Camry XLE. I still fail to see how 27k for a big ass truck is too expensive when that gets you a glorified Corolla in the car world.

>>17013814
Ye. They are nice as fuck on the interior.

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We've still got a Ram 1500 around from 1994... Bench seats are comfy as fuck. People go on about """"Muh luxury""""" a lot, but i own a lexus es330 and i dont think i've ever been more comfortable in a car than sitting in on one these things.

>>17014366
I have a small moving business with tacoma and 6x10 trailer. I've done easily a hundred moves with 1500 lbs in the back plus trailer weight. No fucking clue what you're on about or how you think an image is a suitable argument.

>packs dip can
>I say "you ain't country"
>I pack a fat fucking lip
>you start to complain about truck prices
>I spit backer juice in your face and run away towards my duramax

>>17013850
If you buy a base model truck what are you fucking doing with your life

>>17017914
>It's funny how autistic Europe gets over vehicle safety yet it's legal to pull this shit off.
Because we actually have to take a few extra lessons and another license exam to tow trailers this large, meaning we actually know what the hell we're doing and aren't authorized to pilot 26,000 lbs tow combinations after driving a Ford Focus around the block for the exam.

You can get a brand new Nissan Patrol 4.8 for $32000 USD in the gulf states or a second hand one from Australia for as low as $5000 USD, even with import costs and the paper work it's still a fraction of the cost than buying a 4x4 from the U.S that doesn't even half the performance of a Patrol.

Inb4 muh import ban. xDDD
There's ways around that.

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>>17018491
USA 1
Europooor 0

>>17013836
no kidding, my dad just blew near 75k for a new platinum superduty. Shit comes with cooled massaging seats and whatnot

>>17018438
Loose or pouches

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>>17013890
>no dropin bedliner

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>tfw getting a new tundra at the end of this month

Feelsgoodman, first new vehicle purchase. I'm getting a trailer to live in because I'm an apprentice lineman (which means I travel fucking everywhere all the time for work) and I have 2 motorcycles so I figured a big comfy truck that can haul a decent camper and put shit in the bed is a good choice for me

>>17018566
get a ram 1500. They're cheaper, sound better, look better and are just as reliable

>>17018566
make sure you try each full size from Ford, dodge, and GM. I worked at Toyota dealership before and I would put tundra at the last of list.

>>17018654
Lol are you me?

Srsly though drive the others first.

>>17018626
>>17018654
Really? I always hear about how Toyota makes extremely reliable trucks compared to American brands. Is this just an old meme that doesn't take into account how Ford, Chevy and GM have improved recently? I know a lot about motorcycles but admittedly I'm not versed in trucks. I'm just taking a friend's advice and he knows a lot about this sort of thing so I trust him.

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look at the fucking prices of trucks in straya

>>17018844
oh god what

>>17018808
I've had both a 2010 tundra and a 2011 ram and the ram was just better in every single way

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>>17018847
It gets worse

>>17018868
>>17018844
but why though

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>itt poorfags
hope you enjoy driving a shity hyundai for the rest of your lives kek

>>17018868
lol those trucks look absolutely retarded. Who would pay $180k for that shit

>>17018900
probably import and right side conversions.

>>17018960
The way you become a poorfag is by spending a hundred thousand dollars on a Chevy Silverado

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>>17018987
t. poorfag

>>17018987
>M-m-muh net worth!!!

>>17018844

Those arent the normal prices of trucks.

>>17014124
>Not even your redneck government is trusting you with them.
that's weird as a baic test allows a 16 year old to tow up to 30k pounds with fuck all in training. not to mention being able to jump immediately on a Hayabusa or H2 with no pussy 250cc in between.

it's almost as if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>17017986
>big ass truck
>2 door piece of shit with a plastic dash
>no options
>crappy cloth
>and hand crank windows
>TOTALLY worth $27k

>>17018097
They had major frame problems for years.... It's very well known... They would literally break in half.

>butttt MIIINEEE DIDN'T!!!!
Lrn 2 anecdotal

>>17019634
2004 f-150 for 11k my dude, where the fuck do you live?

>>17020085
...were talking NEW trucks mongoloid.

>>17019634
>big ass truck
perfect for keeping me away from niggers
>2 door piece of shit with a plastic dash
low maintence
>no options
low market and less shit to break
>crappy cloth
comfy as fuck, no sweating my balls off on sticky swampass leather
>and hand crank windows
check this shit out honey
>TOTALLY worth $27k
it's only 27k!

>>17019647
>Lrn 2 anecdotal
No, YOU learn to anecdotal, since those ten photos of Tacomas broken in half scraped together on the internet when a million of them have been built are the definition of anecdotal evidence.

>>17020134
Sure pal
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/11/14/toyota-3-billion-settlement-rusty-truck-frames/

>>17018808
Honestly I feel like Toyota is not as reliable as 90s. But let's take look at tundra.
Dodge has best ride right now with air suspension shit is comfy af.
Fords ecoboost is really nice in f150, 2.7 or 3.5 engines are strong and both are $600 tune away from 100more torque.
Chevy got that "fuck out of my way" face with nice ls motor.

Now tundra... bro test drive all of them, Tundra has nothing that stands out, everything is just whatever.

>>17019647
Unless you have some stats your commentary is the anecdote here.

>>17020645
>>17020148
Do you faggots even read the threads?

>>17020148
Mines a 2003. Looks like it's the 2nd Gen which had problems. I might get a new taco in ten years if they go back to the smaller frame

>>17020653
Due to the lack of content i generally scan them.

>>17013802
Move to Canada. For whatever reason trucks are cheap as fuck and cars are marked up to inexplicable extremes - especially when you consider a fair number of them are actually manufactured in this country and imported to the states so there's no import fee argument - fuck any dealer that pulls that argument on a challenger or camaro pre-2015 for example..

>>17013890
>Aluminum is expensive

No, it isn't.

>>17014080
I've carried a Bridgeport milling machine and a 1300 lb welder (not at the same time) in the back of my F150, to which I also fitted a liftgate. Show me a car that does what I demand of a truck.

Trailers are far more annoying to use than a truck. I have both. I ride motorcycles for fun, and truck operating costs are trivial so I don't need nor want a car or SUV.

>>17018532
Loose you fucking faggot

road lion

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>>17021087
if you are daily driving a truck you are retarded

what you need is an old reliable shitbox truck that you dont care about fucking up the paint on while doing work and then a daily car

>>17020192
My dad just bought a new Ram and my brother, it is the comfiest ride ever. The suspension is the best I've experienced and I love everything about the interior. And those new Ram boxes are handy as fuck. Last weekend I just noticed they have fucking drain plugs, you can use them for ice chests if you want.

>>17018077
I like that steering wheel, looks like it has little tits w nipples on both sides. What do they do? I'd just be driving around tickling and massaging them desu

>>17021138
>if you are daily driving a truck you are retarded

The fuel doesn't cost enough to matter when I do daily it, and in my travels I constantly transport parts, motorcycles, etc. Not bothering with a daily car tips the balance further in favor of my truck. My trucks are old reliable shitboxes. I'm a mechanic. There's zero disadvantage over a car for me.

Gas in SC is under two dollars a gallon. That's dirt cheap https://inflationdata.com/articles/inflation-adjusted-prices/inflation-adjusted-gasoline-prices/

>>17021188
trucks cant run the touge tho

>>17021198
I have motorcycles for that, and as I'm a motorcycle mechanic trucks win there, too.

The reason Europeans use sedans to tow things is because fuel is much more expensive relative to America and they live in countries the size of US states and have roads designed for horses.

If they didn't have those limitations they'd be towing with trucks too.

>>17018462

Working, dipshit.

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>>17015593
>tfw all I want is the base model when it comes to midsized trucks

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Thoughts on the Nissan Frontier?

>>17018626

>ram
>reliable

Gtfo

>>17021487
It's shit. Get a Toyota.

>>17021487
Ugly as fuck and bland interior. Wait for the new model next year. And by new, I mean the model the rest of the world gets.

>>17021505
Ram is the brand you get when your mid-life crisis coincides with your spoiled son reaching driving age

>>17021507
>>17021509
What's the reliability?

>>17013879
See one of these on the highway, the daytime running lights are literally brackets as in [ ]

Great looking truck shame about the front

>>17021524
Decent. Some had head gasket problems. Depends on the year.

>>17021542
Honestly, part of the appeal to Ford super duties for me is that from '08 up until the '15 model, they look like fucking tractors. They're not too pretty, they look like they're supposed to be on a job site, and not blowing fucking smoke on the pavement.

>>17017323
people like this are the reason invasive algae exist

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>>17013802
I buy used trucks ftw

>>17021138
You know nothing about my needs. Trucks are superior for most practical uses. Bike to the park? Oh got to get the fucking bike rack thing. Need 30 10 ft 2x4s, yeah not gonna happen. You're retarded

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>>17013802
>>17013878
>>17013879
>>17013920
>>17014293
>>17015586
>>17015597
> I need a full seize truck to do a ton of work when a mid size truck carrys the same payload.

Honestly you guys with declarative duallys and 19" rims are compensating.

>>17021138
Finally some one who gets it.

>>17015696

>Not having an N/A 4 banger, an N/A V6 and a turbo V6, fucking plebs

>>17020113
>needing a truck to survive brown people

Lmao pussy

>>17021087
A van.

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>>17018526
My boss bought it for nearly 70k. This is the exact same truck. Send it to me from the lot.

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>>17014069
>America
>Developed

>>17022507
I don't see the real use in buying the Platinum trim that costs a premium of upto 10k in these work trucks. If you want luxury (assuming this is what the Platinum trim customer looks for) at 70k range, get something like an Audi, Merc or a BMW, plenty of cars at that range. This is just ridiculous.

>>17021087
>and truck operating costs are trivial
Show me a truck that costs fifty bucks a year to register and insure like a trailer does and requires as little maintenance as a trailer, namely two tires every ten years.

>>17022537
audis, merc and bimmers cant haul 7000lbs of stone or drag a 13k lb trailer though

>ever buying ford trucks
>ever buying a 2017 ford truck

Enjoy never being able to put your bed bolts back if you pull them, even after buying the special socket.

>>17014570

I had a 2013 DCLB Sport, and I upgraded to a 2015 4Runner Limited. Only now trading it up to a 2017 Tundra Limited. Love me a Toyota.

But I'm also surprised, greatly, by the increase in Pickup Trucks. I bought a 17 Tundra Limited for 42k. Thats what I offered, that's what I was going to pay with a trade in on a 15 4Runner Limited with 23.5k miles.

Do I need a pick up truck, no... But for my line of work and some of my activities, yes. Also standing 6'6'' doesn't help either, I don't fit in small cars.

But I would never pay 55k for a big three or Fiat.

>>17018534
>EVER buying drop in

You will literally destroy your bed twice as fucking fast. Spray in or nothing

>>17020192
Alright, I'll give the other brands a second look. I really had no idea that they were better than toyota nowadays.

>>17023234
you're saying like all truck customers other than fleet buyers actually buy trucks for their towing capability?
All trucks are are penis enlagers. Look at the designs, they've stopped being a workhorse long time ago

>>17014200
Why is the shifter on the column if there's a clutch pedal. Whoever designed this is a retard.

>>17023328
>20 year old work truck
>has drop in liner

>still looks like it was barely used

>>17023383
>clutch pedal
>the state of /o/
I don't know shit about cars but holy shit you're retarded.

>>17014374
>>17014367

You get At least 3 roof heights and 2 lenght options

And the reliability of a diesel engine designed for the truck, not dropped in from some other base model

I really like the chevy colorado

problem is, once you add AWD (needed in new england) and the 6 Cylinder engine (needed to not be a fucking slug on the highway), the fucking truck is pushing $30k +. Not to mention to get any sort of decent options you need one of the $4k packages

>>17023392
Mine has a clutch pedal in the same place.

And was available as a manual column shift!

... but yeah, I'm Australian and we got shit for trucks.

>>17023488
It's a parking brake tbhfam

>>17013850
Considering that a mid 70s F150 was ~3700$ which is about 15k$ by today's money, trucks have become fuck expensive

>>17023519
In that one it is, you can even see the release above it.

In mine it's not, I have a lever with a button for release for my park brake. My clutch pedal is waaay over there.

>>17023391
If thats gods truth you got lucky

I work in a truck linings and accessories store and 90% of drop ins ive pulled have hidden horror stories underneath

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Tell me about it.

I've been looking to retire my 91' Ram as an everyday driver. I adore that truck, but it's getting up there in years and stuff is starting to wear out.

So, I'm looking at something new and I just cannot afford something comparable. A new Ram comparable to my 91 is a 40,000 dollar truck at least.

I'm probably going to be driving my old Blue dodge till it falls apart.

I want to get it cleaned up. Maybe even show it. Lord knows I get a lot of heads turning as is. But, It's all I have, and I can't just stop driving it.

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>>17023737
ayy dodgbro
what powertrain do you have in that one?

>>17023766
When my Dad bought it new, he didn't get anything Fancy. It's just a 4 speed automatic. It would have been nice to have manual, but the truck was basically given to me. I'm not complaining one bit.

It gets the job done. Went a lot of miles pulling our trailer and out boat. It's a workhorse that's for sure.

I'm more bummed he didn't get 4WD. But he got exactly what he needed at the time.

>>17023383
Because that not the clutch pedal, that's the E-Brake.

>>17023796
318 on it too?
mine got the 4 speed manual and the 318 its a dog but its 4x4 and in decent shape so i plan on tossing a newer magnum 5.9 in it later.
cheaper to keep fixing up old trucks than it is to buy anything reasonably new now
if you opt to keep it and start fixing it up you have a great truck for it since the 2wd parts are so readily available and being an auto simplifies powertrain swaps over a 4x4 manual

>>17023825
318? Oh lord no. It's a 5.9L Cummins Turbo.

That motor isn't going anywhere anytime soon. I've had people wanting to buy the truck just for the motor.

But yeah, I'll probably keep it as is. Mechanically the truck is Solid. Need some front end work and the drum on the driver's side took a shit and was fixed. The motor runs great, the transmission is near pristine. I probably could use a new alternator. The starter is new.

It's the electrical in the cab that's starting to take a shit. It also suffers from the Chrysler paint issue. So it's peeling like crazy. It needs a new paint job.

But that truck is staying in my family at least through me. I know it will last if I take care of it. Which I do.

>>17013848
Please happen. I want to see the used market flooded with trucks.

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>>17023376

Like 80% of people that own a truck also have a travel trailer or boat to tow. Open your fucking eyes. You clearly don't observe this because your stuck on a bus or in a basement all day. Try heading out to the bush sometime you fucking nerd.

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>>17023838
>jelly
the diesel tax here is insane there's a a few older ones around for way too much goddamn money
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/6071125028.html
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/6067574635.html


>>17023896
very true

>>17023913
Yeah, one of the reasons I dragged my self from California. Diesel was getting expensive. Plus the new Gas tax and registration Fee. Fuck that state.

I'm a Utahian now, paying 2.59, shooting guns, and drinking 3.2% beer.

>>17023383
>he doesn't know about three-on-the-tree

>>17023919
i meant the meme tax but yeah WA is getting retarded with literal taxes too.
im looking at heading to ID or MT

>>17023923
thats also not a clutch, its the parking brake

>>17021138
>8 MPG
Shit, what do you have in there, a 460?

>>17019612
Except that your cars aren't rated for towing so clearly you're not trusted with it unless you're behind the wheel of half a semi truck that does the towing by itself basically.

Also I could take my full motorcycle license right now as well, it's merely restricted by age.

>>17023928
>be American
>put the parking brake on a fucking pedal
What the hell is wrong with you people?

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>>17021142

>My dad just bought a new Ram
>and my brother

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>>17024515

More interior room for the bench seat and shit. If that triggers you, look up floor mounted headlight switches.
Why do you put the fucking horn on a stalk? What the hell is wrong with you people?

>>17024515
Where else would you put the parking brake on that truck, in the middle of the bench seat?

>>17024535
What? I've never seen a vehicle that didn't have the horn on the wheel.

>>17014036
Oh my GOD are you the faggot that told me to store your trailer by hoisting it up in your garage or flipping it on its side?

Fucking kys

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It's a bubble. But don't worry: demand for trucks is going to crater because of picrelated, so it's an issue that will solve itself.

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>>17024561

You have to pull a little stock to operate the horn in a lot of British and European vehicles.

>>17024586
I don't get it

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>>17024574
Stay mad.

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Are the 1500s good trucks? I want a 4x4 V8 with an extended cab and the 2006s don't seem too huge or terrible, but I know nothing of trucks.

It'll be used for track towing and general shit around the house like dump runs

>>17014036
>that tiny bucket

What is that going to be used for, a flower bed?

>>17025177
Big buckets have their place. Small buckets have their place. For example when you wanna bury telephone lines from the street to your house without turning half your property into a pit mine.

>>17014432
Pretty sure you can still get Tacomas with a single cab, Nissan Frontiers, and Ford Rangers as well. I could be wrong.

There are some massive single cabs like Tundras and Dodges but they're horrible looking and are always lowered and riced the fuck out.

>>17024654
If you get one make sure it has had the brake lines replaced.

They rot on the chevys bad. Uncoated steel thanks to GM and their engineering

Napa has full ore bent kits of stainless for ~$100 tho so it's not bad. Just a time consuming job. Also get the 5.3 in the 1500 or a heavy half with the 6.0 or a 2500 with a 6.0. The 4.8 is lacking to me. Mines aging.

Also the exhaust manifold bolt heads break off. Warping just pops them off. It's not hard to fix, but you might get an exhaust leak. Thats on all the vortecs

>>17025333
Lacking in what? Too weak to pull a light trailer? Don't care about speed too much for my truck, exhaust note pretty important tho.

Will def jot down the brake lines and do that once I pick one up

>>17025403
Not bad for trailer pulling. Just pulled a light tandem axle with a golf cart today, and it did just fine.

But I just want more power out of it and am looking to do some stuff to it. Also the 4L60E can go for any reason without warning. If you're gonna haul consistently with one of those get a trans cooler. It will save your ass.

And I just have factory manifolds and cats then dumped under truck and it sounds pretty good. Looking at long tubes and catless Y soon tho.

>>17025199

American telephone lines are bigger than European lines. Because, you know, the average american weighs more than the average euro

>>17023896
>80%

The concrete cowboys who drive jacked up King Ranch F250s in the city sure as shit don't have no trailers. They're just in it for the image and the ability to bully smaller cars around.

>>17025199
>For example when you wanna bury telephone lines from the street to your house without turning half your property into a pit mine.
Wouldn't you just use a trencher for that?

>>17026040
Or better yet, wouldn't the telephone/cable company be the ones doing the work?

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New trucks have embarrassingly small beds and they're too high. Like whats the point? Have you ever loaded something into a new truck? It's a total pain, they're way too tall, you have to lift whatever it is way up. You can't even fit a couch in them without it sticking 3 feet out the back. I know there's extended beds, but even those seem smaller than they used to be. All those older trucks that were actually for work are great, they're low to the ground for easy loading and the bed is really long that you can close the tailgate in most cases.

I worked at Lowes a while back, and those new ones are nothing but trouble, I can't fuckin stand them. I always cheered whenever the truck was an old shitbox, they're just way easier. Not to mention you've got all the boomers with the faggot KING RANCH ones or whatever that are standing around like wah dont scratch the bed. What the hell, if you're gonna be using this this for work, then get a pray coating or something.

>>17013814
All I know is I rented one from Menards and that AC froze my dick off

>>17021138
the license plate got me

where do I get shitty but reliable trucks like this?

>>17014562
Maybe if you can't drive.

>>17015550
Because we fucking can faggot. You yuroshits wish you bad America's enormous wilderness and freedom to haul an entire fucking house with you.
Anyway, enjoy sucking Abdul's cock faggot.

>>17025895

Do you follow every one of them home at night?

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>>17014261
>Half the US aren't any hillier than most of Europe
But I live on the half that is more hillier than most of Europe.

That the northwest? Was absolutely terrifying driving through Wyoming in heavy winds...thankfully Washington is more gentlr

>>17014261
>tfw all the hilly/mountainous parts of the USA combined are probably almost as big as all of Europe

eat shit

>>17013814
first post best post
>tfw squarebodys here are like 4500 for shit with no trans
I read a listing where a dude wanted 4k for a truck with a trans that slipped real bad and had absolutely no gauges at all. not even a fucking dash, and he was dead serious

>>17018844
We have better ones sold here anyway for cheaper that aren't available in the U.S.

>>17013848
>not falling for diesel meme

>>17028115
>diesel
>not superior truck power method

>>17013802
Because fags keep buying them for the wrong reasons, thus expecting the wrong things of them. Back in the day a truck was little more than a simple, sturdy workhorse, basically four wheels, an engine, and lots of space to put your shit on/in. That's why they were cheap, because they were more akin to tools rather than automobiles. Nowadays, you can't get a truck that isn't riced up with all sorts of unnecessary bullshit, which of course props up the price like crazy.

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>>17026077
like i said, new trucks are actually being treated as fat huge family sedans with beds that are being used like car trunks/boots with enough room to store a lot of luggage. I am talking about those four door short bed atrocities everyone on and their mother is buying now a days (pic related).

it would make a horrible choice using it as a regular working vehicle. I'd just stick to a single cab or extended cab with a long bed configuration, those will do.

>>17028251
>own CCLB whale
>everyone thinks I have a big family
>actually always find myself transporting big parts or dudes and need extra room, plus comfort

>tfw bought last gen of alphatrucks before they became the new betashit minivans

>>17028251
I'm in Texas, I have one because it's the law

>>17028266
>betashit minivans
>implying familymen being able to buy a minivan-equivalent with a V8 and 4x4 is a bad thing

>>17028551
Same, but I just can't see myself getting work done all at once effectively with a short bed truck. Not in my line of work.

>>17028251
I like the short bed. I use my truck for a combo of off roading and towing, and the shorter bed makes off roading easier because of the shorter wheel base. As for towing short bed/long bed doesn't matter.

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>>17028659
>BUT MUH 8 FT LONG LUMBER

>>17023838
So dont be retarded, restore the truck for 10-20k vs a new truck for double the price. Dont believe normies, it's infinitely cheaper to keep an old car running and pristine than buy a new one

>>17014184
i just test drove a 2017 colorado, 24k new. the silverado was 22k new.

>>17028659
I see. guess we all have our different uses for trucks. longer beds just feels like the better option because of it's viability work wise. Either that or a flatbed.

>>17021138
nigga you daily a motorcycle

>>17028738
I really don't use my bed too much honestly. It is nice though because we are renovating our bathroom and the 5'5 bed is plenty for hauling drywall and crap like that.

>>17028695
I've never really understood the whole 'you need a long bed to haul lumber'. I've hauled several pieces of wood for our bathroom renovation and I usually just put the long pieces in the bed with the end sticking through the back window. Or leave the ends hanging off the tailgate and just tie the pieces down. There's really no need for the extra foot unless it's a work truck.

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>>17023383

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>>17028586
4x4 fullsize vans need to make a comeback
my neighbor has an econoline quadravan, 1ton running gear and a 460 in it, that thing is a go anywhere comfortable tank

>>17028831
>>17028738
longbeds are also great for camping out of, sleeping in a shortbox sucks when youre over 6' tall

>>17028737

Yeah for the 4cyl/V6 2WD model. Going to 4x4 and the bigger engine adds another $10k. Which still isn't that bad compared to what a mid size sedan costs.

>>17021524
On the toyota? It's a meme.

>>17030579
No, on the Nissan. Everyone knows that Toyota truck reliability isn't the same as it was in the early 2000s. Even Consumer Reports pointed out the Tacoma's reliability went to shit as of late.

>>17030598
If the nissan is reliable it's only because it's under-capable.

>>17030598
>Everyone knows that Toyota truck reliability isn't the same as it was in the early 2000s

good reason to buy used, besides saving $20k

>>17032611
have you tried to buy a used truck from a redneck, especially a boomer redneck? trying to find a cheap used taco is like digging for gold in antarctica

>>17032818
for example, just went on CL and found a 19 year old Tacoma xtracab auto with 230k miles
they want 6 grand lel