Are these any good?
>>17011782
No. You're better off with a Cadillac ATS
>>17011782
No. Trust me I've driven plenty of them.
The F30 pre-facelift is horrible in pretty much anything. Steering, suspension, general build qulity.
Engines are good though.
F30 facelift is a little bit better (got the suspension of the 4-series).
E90 is older but way better in my opinion.
>>17011782
No. That's not an e46 or e90
>>17011808
>E90 is older but way better in my opinion.
How good can they be? They can't even beat a FWD Daewoo around a racetrack
>>17011808
The facelift model is literally the same.
It doesn't even look different.
What a shit facelift.
The same LEDs can be had on the older model
Not worth the extra price tag
>>17011828
those cars dont fucking represent the road car's performance
>>17011808
E90 is shit and horribly unreliable.
>>17012803
All bmws are shit and horribly unreliable.
>>17012803
>>17012828
>I have absolutely no idea what the fuck I'm talking about but am shitposting anyway to fit in
>>17011808
Agreed, the F30 is just bloated and numb all over
>>17012742
>making excuses
>>17012841
Even the shitty F30 320i is faster than anything outside of an M or 335i and more reliable.
>>17011782
i've driven a 318d m sport and a 320d and they were both very good.
A little dull but a good daily if you have to do alot of miles.
My jobs about to make me do 20k+ miles a year so i'm getting a 330d m sport touring.
250bhp
413lb ft
0-60 in 5.5
50+ mpg
If Jag made the XE as a wagon or if Cadillac sold the ats here i'd probably get one of those but there we are.
>>16999178
Is this also your thread?