MSRP: From $25,495 Horsepower: 200 to 205 hp

>shit tuning platform too
L M A O

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>>17010526
>200-205

>>17010526
Weren't these 24000$ like 2 years back for the same shit?

>>17010554
These sell for $28-$30k. That MSRP isn't accurate

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>>17010526
I bought mine for $17K with 35K miles.

Tbh i think it was fair, and i enjoy it.
It has it's negatives like the hp/ torque canyon.
But its a blast on track days & autoX events.

But to each their own,

>>17010694
>17k
>205hp

lol

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>>17010526
MSRP: $18,556
Horsepower: 206
Torque: 198 lb/ft

>its a fucking Kia

>>17012237
Why did you bump this?

>>17012332
They're shitposters, it's what the do bump and samefag their threads

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I'll just leave this here...

>>17012681
I'd rather have a slow car than no car

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>>17010526
sooner or later every car will be a corolla

>>17012692
>implying I don't have a car

Nice try at making yourself feel better about your poor decision to buy a shit box

>1k more for a 370z with 105hp more

>>17012692

Get a better car instead of settling down for a slow car and trying hard to justify it

>Implying you're getting it anyways

>>17012681
I can taste their tears

>>17013486
This man speaks the truth.
It began with iM; it will now consume all others.

>>17014668
What car do you have?
>>17014702
I would have got superior Cayman but I can't afford the Porsche maintenance. It's fun to drive and I live near great backroads so I'm happy

>>17012681
Why are there two civic type r lap times?

>>17014777

Well you're happy with your car so good for you.

>>17010526
So you can spend $4k more and get the better in every way 370z? Hard choice.

>>17014924

Some of us are white.

>>17010526
>bitch about no new sub 30k rwd fun handling coupes that aren't miatas
>Toyota attempts to please you
>bitch that they're too expensive and underpowered
This is why nobody bothers to touch the Miata market stateside, you faggots are too busy flinging shit to even drive them.

>>17014924
>better in every way
Stock for stock sure but if I'm throwing money at tuning I'd rather have that 4K pay for that instead of a more expensive car.
Also, some of us aren't fans of cars that look like literal slugs

>>17015003
this, if used 07+ 350z is best deal, i wouldn't get a 370 because it looks like absolute shit

>>17012681

the GT86 is truly the ultimate meme mobile.

It's not that it's a shit car, it's a decent car, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum, people.

>>17015011
Don't get me wrong I actually like the 370Zed post facelift but it's a daily driven sports coupe and attempting to take it more seriously than that will result in hurt feelings

>>17010567
If you buy a car with dealer markup over MSRP then you're retarded. Most cars you can get significantly below MSRP.

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Fixed your 86 senpai

>>17014777
Porsche maintenance isn't that expensive

I think its a nice looking car. Still 25k for 200hp though. In a coupe, no less.

Ever since it came out I've wondered what I'd be willing to pay. I think 19k is fair.

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>>17015099
>I think 19k is fair

>>17012692
False dichotomy pleb

>>17015113

well what do you think it is worth?

>>17015122
25k out the door

>>17015003
>hates cars that look like slugs
>likes the toybaru

I'd rather take the Miata and it's 150hp

>>17015089
LOL as someone who works in a performance shop, yes it is. EVEN IF you get lucky and just need normal shit fixed on occasion, the parts are MUCH more expensive, and the labor hours on a porsche are generally higher. Compared to a simple car like the FRS (I don't even like it), a porsche is insanely more expensive to repair.

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>>17015011
Get a wing on the 370z and it looks way better.

>>17015175
it's the taillight/headlights and more rounded rear end, Z's don't look better with spoilers

>>17015181
You have shit taste.

>>17015195
i don't, 350z's looked better

>>17015200
Completely shit taste. Your opinion is 100% invalid.

>>17015230
You should have just got a used HR for cheap but ya blew it and bought an uglier car for alot more, congrats anon.

>>17015240
I don't own a 370, but you're dumb as fuck and have garbage tier taste.

>>17015262
what do you own a Hyundai?

>>17015200
350z doors are made of crayons.

>>17015300
they scratch easy too, i'd still get an +07 with under 50k miles for like 16k then use rest of the "370z money" for upgrades

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>>17010526
Why would I get that slow shitbox when I can get this for the same price?

>>17010526
World record holder for most car of the year awards, less than $26k must butthutt the super poor so bad.

>>17015958
It's officially faster than the Hennessy Venom GT as well, and capable of lapping the ring faster than a vette, well just being capable of lapping the ring makes it better than anything american.

>>17015661
Because the 86 is a better drivers car

>>17015661

Because mustangs are as common and boring as a Honda Civic.

i plan on buying one in a year or so to go along with my gti

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>>17015661
Because then you'd have a ford

>>17015661
Because I want to be able to take turns.

>>17014896
One says prototype and the other one doesnt

>>17010694
>>17010538
>Got Open flash tune
>new header
>torque dip gone, actually puts the full 200hp to the wheels now
>pretty fast little car

Honestly anyone shitting over it is retarded, I see guys in BRZ/86s constantly stomping people in BMWs and STIs at autoX events.

>>17014777
>can't afford Porsche maintenance
It doesn't cost much at all until you need to replace coil packs and spark plugs, but that is every 70k. You're looking at 1500 for both at the same time, and that includes oil change and filter change. Go check how much that shit costs for the BRZ. The difference is minimal.

>>17016862
>BMWs
>autoX
Luxury landbarges aren't good on tight handling courses? Gee anon, who would've guessed?

>>17016862
The GT86 has set the same Nurburgring lap time as the 1987 BMW E30 M3.

>>17016877
I love this meme. M-MUH TSUKUBA LAP TIME LAMBORGHINI MURCIELAGO BTFO BY A CIVIC HIW CAN THEY COME BACK FROM THIS

>>17016887
Shut up retard.

>>17016902
>mad BRZfag
Stay btfo

>>17016905
That's some superb reading comprehension right there.

>>17016914
????????

>>17016923
I said beating a BMW at autoX isn't impressive.

>>17012692
This

>>17016932
I was fucking agreeing with you, dipshit.

The FRZ/BRZ/GT86 is a car for people who are not really into driving or motorsport at all but who want to experience a little bit of it.
The car provides a safe and limited base and is focused to providing this experience. It is by no means about performance.

>>17016955
this
and this is the reason why we have a big amount of people liking it ("i can haz racing experience while going 40 mph") and a big amount of people hating it ("this car has 0 to -1 performance") with no people in between

>>17016955
>for people who are not really into driving
>but who want to experience a little bit of it
Most retarded shit I've read all day.

>>17016962
The BRZ meme is based on "I bought this car. I will now meme about it to support my purchasing decision." and people who don't give a shit pushing back with track time memes, and then the BRZfags getting mad and responding with track time memes, and it snowballs from there.

>>17016969
>I will now meme about it to support my purchasing decision
I think they're just overflowing with happiness because driving it hard through the twisties makes your face hurt from smiling.

>>17016963
It is exactly how I wrote it. Young people with no driving experience, older guys who drove family cars their whole live - put them into a 300hp+ car and they would die for sure. The BRZ allows you to feel fast and have the handling of a race car without dying. I'm 100% sure if they sold the car with 250 hp turbo for this price people would die nonstop. I mean, they crashed this car while going at 15 mph around corners ...

>>17016969
This is what I said. You have the fanboys (like apple) who need constant reassurance that they drive a race car and you have the performance-oriented group, who care about pure driving and skills. Sure they clash. The BRZ people would fit perfectly to other non-enthusiast, but there they don't get any acknowledgment for their car.

>>17014896
the same reason ''a fucking SUV'' isn't at the cayenne turbo S at 7:59
The truth is even worse than the meme

>>17012237
17k also gets you a 130hp Corolla

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lol

>>17015039
TMIC in the cabin?

>>17017000
This is perfectly fine. Power/weight is a performance term and means nothing to BRZ owners.

>>17017005
what means something to BRZ owners then? Power, weight, speed and performance doesnt matter to them by this logic

>>17017011
Handling and reliability

>>17017011
The BRZ is a nice looking car, is subjectively fast, other people call you a sports car driver / owner, handling, cheap, low maintenance

This is BRZ vocabulary

>>17017017
And you can drift because you have a 'differential'. (own comment: and prius tires). But you don't do it or only on wide spaces because it's dangerous.

A problem is the missing identity.
If you look at Miata drivers, they don't care for performance, reassurance and all the shit BRZ drivers need. But Miata drivers drive a Miata, and that's their image. And they stay with their fellows and are happy. The BRZ has no identitiy at all.

>>17016982
You can easily kill yourself in a car with 20bhp. I personally know someone who got launched out of a smart car, and someone who died in a 60bhp VW Polo after losing control in a corner. For the price of the 86 you can get plenty of more powerful cars.

You make it sound like this car is specifically being sold to people who couldn't handle "actual performance", like, they want to buy a Mustang GT, but the dealership says "no boy, go to Toyota, get an 86 first". Are you retarded?
People buy this car because they can't or don't want to afford a proper sports car. Not just because of the price, but also maintenance cost, fuel economy and practicality.

If a BRZ driver says "Look at my car, it's a fast sports car and handles really well. It is all about driving." The answers look like the following.
Normal guy: Cool, don't care, need to get from A to B with stuff.
Performance drivers: It's fucking slow and no sports car at all.
Miata driver: I don't care, look at my Miata.

That is their dilemma.

>>17017012
>reliability
This is a terrible argument

>>17017017
subjectively fast?
what? .. to who?

>other people call you a sports car driver
How is this important at all? hopefully you didn't buy the car to impress people

>cheap, low maintenance
Yes, because its not a fucking sports car

>>17017047
This ^^^^^^^^

Those who care knows it slow as shit.
To normal people they might think it looks nice but other than that they dont give a fuck

Its like BRZ owners care more about how they look to others. its the new boy racer car

>>17017041
You got me wrong but I agree with you.
I said if the typicall BRZ clientele bought performance cars, they'd won't be able to handle it. That's all. Not the other way round.
You last two sentences are perfectly correct.

>>17017057
subjectively fast to the driver
>How is this important at all? hopefully you didn't buy the car to impress people
it is important for BRZ drivers, that's why they brag everywhere about their cars until performance drivers appear
>Yes, because its not a fucking sports car
Yes, you are right.

>>17017063
>I said if the typicall BRZ clientele bought performance cars, they'd won't be able to handle it.
I strongly disagree. You're implying that the group of people who can't afford to own a performance car is the exact same group that couldn't handle a performance car.
I've been in several 500bhp+ cars and the only problem I had in them was resisting the urge to break the law constantly. If anything handling an R8 spyder at 300kph is easier than handling my 86 at 230kph. And then there's people who can't even handle a 200bhp RWD car. 86 drivers are completely mixed bag in terms of driving ability, speaking from personal experience from 86/BRZ meets. What they all have in common is a slim wallet.

>>17017063
BRZfags rely on ignorance to have a "good" car, when they spout tons of shut about it like a fecal sprinkler. As soon as someone has a better car or knows their shit appears they duck behind MUH FEELS. Much like feminists, really.

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>>17010526
>buy turd off craigslist for $5000
>sink $20,000 into it

Mmm yes that's what I'd rather do

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>>17010526
fear not there is a slightly more powerful version

>>17017090
There are several cars available which offer superior performance for the same or even less money.

>>17017114
Name just one without significant compromises in practicality.

Pro tip: hot hatches are even further away from actual sports car.

>>17017114
This doesn't matter to BRZfags because they already bought it on monthly payments with heavy early return fees. The only way to overcome buyer's remorse is to meme on internet forums.

>>17017126
>practicality
HOLY FUCKING SHIT IS THAT THE FUCKING BEST YOU GOT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17017126
Ford Mustang, its probably a bit more money but not a ton, what you gain in return is huge compared to the BRZ

>>17017140
The ecoboost mustang costs about the same lmao

>>17017126
>BRZ
>practicality

what

nobody buys a fucking brz for practicality

>>17017126
See, that's bullshit already. You tell me you are a performance driver with slim wallet and now you want a practical car.

>>17017126
>Pro tip: hot hatches are even further away from actual sports car

lol

>>17017126
I've owned turd gens and foxbodys that are more practical than a BRZ

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>>17017126
Holy shit

>>17017126
Used: 370Z, Mustang, Camaro, 350Z, S2000, Gensis Coupe, every real performance-oriented sports car out there

>Pro tip: hot hatches are even further away from actual sports car.
Every Ford ST, Civic Type R, Renault RS performance far better ....

>>17017126
Watching a BRZfag pull a brain muscle doing mental gymnastics is fucking hilarious.

>>17017126
I'm sorry that you have several performance drivers now jumping at you, but that's the reality :S

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>>17017135
>>17017140
>>17017144
>>17017146
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>>17017157
>>17017159
>>17017160

>>17017171
stay btfo BRZcuck

>>17017171
>get laughed at for retarded argument

LOL TRIGGERED JOKES ON U GUIUSE I WAS PRETENDING TO BE RETARDED XDDDD

Maybe for simplicity, we boil it down to two cars.

Tell why the Civic Type-R is worse than the BRZ.

Tell why the Mustang Ecoboost is worse than the BRZ.

>>17017184
Literally impossible if the only language you speak is benchracing.

>>17010538
His shoulder makes it look like it has a gigantic wing on it

>>17017190
It's not about 0-60 mph.
Both cars are more practical, faster (straight and in corners), same price and offer a real driving experience.

>>17017103
different strokes for different folks. Post your rockin 20k invested Camaro when you have it. Meanwhile I am busy shoving an L59 into a 1987 Fiero via THM425 and some fabwork.

>>17017157
brz weight
2,784 to 2,835 lbs
mustang weight
3,469 to 3,825 lbs

fatty mc fat fat over here.

>>17017212
This only works for a Lotus with more HPs than the BRZ.
Every Porsche 911 is far over 3000 lbs and a true sports car. Or go to Porsche drivers and tell them how fat their car is and how good the BRZ is

>>17017235
Even Porsche drivers say the current 911s have gotten too fat and that the Cayman is the sportier Porsche now.

>>17010554
The FR-S was slightly cheaper than the BRZ, by like $1000 or something. I'd pay more for the BRZ just to not get the REEEEE front end and not have a Scion.

>>17017254
While I can agree to a certain degree, Porsche holds the Cayman down.
Back to the topic, both a real performance cars and the BRZ is not.

>>17017259
>Porsche holds the Cayman down
That went straight overboard when they gave it the 3.8l engine. I'm sure they're gonna give the 718 one of the stronger 911 engines for a new GT4 at some point.

I never said the BRZ is a real performance car, nor do I recall anyone saying that. It's an economy car that's as fun as sports car. I'm fully aware of that and so is every other owner of a BRZ, FR-S or GT86.

>>17017212
fat? maybe
better car overall? absolutely

>>17017300
>that's as fun as sports car.
stop

>>17017300
>It's an economy car that's as fun as sports car. I'm fully aware of that and so is every other owner of a BRZ, FR-S or GT86.
I'll screenshot this for the next BRZ fag.

>>17017311
>inb4 it can't be fun because it's slower than a minivan
>>17017312
>I'll screenshot this for the next BRZ fag.
Why?

>>17017311
Fun is subjective and cannot be measured.
A dog has fun with a ball, a non-enthusiast with his BRZ, a driver with a performance car.

>>17017317
It can but saying its AS fun as a sports cars is pretty broad, what are you comparing it to?

>>17017319
I already said BRZ owners are usually people who can't afford to own enthusiast cars you cheeky cunt.
>>17017322
I've recently tested a couple older Porsches for someone, a few 996 Carrera/ Carrera S, a 997 Carrera and 2 older Caymans. It wasn't much more fun than my 86, faster in every regard, sure, but not more fun.

>>17017389
We already told you that there are several cars for the same price available which are superior in every way.
I'm driving an Exige, but every Mustang, 370Z, Civic Type R is more an enthusiast car than a BRZ.

>>17010694
You could have bought an e46 for 3k less.

>>17010526
To me these will never be worth the price. Maybe 10k but that's iffy.
Feels like they are in the same slump as the 370z.

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>Is this thread honestly still going?

>>17017402
I'm not gonna lie, I might have gotten the ecoboost Mustang instead, but it's a lot more expensive and a lot less available in my country.

I'm not gonna justify not getting a 370z or Civic instead.

>>17015003

>pays 4k for intake,exhaust and tune
>still puts down only 200whp

>>17017456
Which country?

>>17017480
Germany, we didn't get the current gen Mustang till late 2015. The used market is still empty.

>>17017509
ich versuche auch einen Mustang Ecoboost zu bekommen 25 t€ wäre Wunsch, für 30 t€ würde ich neu kaufen, aber 38?!

>>17017526
Den GT86 hab ich für 17 bekommen, 30.000km, keine Gebrauchsspuren.

>>17017534
EZ 2013/2014? für das Geld sind ein paar auf dem Markt und man macht nicht viel kaputt.
Mustang Ecoboost fangen nun auch an aufzutauchen .. hoffe bis zum Winter findet sich einer

>>17016991
Guy who made that pic here.

I missed that. I was late for work and already wasted 15 mins working on it. There was an extra few things I wanted to add like going through a few more cars (like the new ford fucking focus is quicker) and posting cars the BRZ beat such as

>Jaguar S-Type Diesel (20 secs slower)
>10 year old Ford Focus (5 secs slower)
>50hp Volkswagen Lupo (20 secs slower)
>1938 Benz W154 (1 min slower)

I always knew the BRZ was slow as shit but having done that comparison, it really is an understatement how fucking pathetically slow that garbage of a "track" car really is.

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>>17017407
>e46

>>17017157
b-b-b-b-b-b-but gt86 has the greatest motor ever made. 100hp/1 L. b-b-b-b-b-b-but

>>17017865
Acting like someone seriously thinks it's a track car is a weak straw man. The next time you make the comparison, use lap times with normalized tires or something, not the time with the dedicated drift tires. On normal grippy tires it does a lap on the Bürgerking in under 8:30, which is a reasonable time for a 200bhp car.

Things they could do to make it better:
Turbo version
Supercharged version
Version that comes without an engine or a transmission
AWD turbo STI version

>>17017212
>Mustang still gets comparable MPGs to the BRZ because of how shit the boxer engine is

>>17012681
>Cobalt SS faster than Evo 6/7


hol up

>>17018002

The BRZ is geared really low. That's the only way they can get a reasonable 0-60 time with that power to weight ratio. That's also why it does 4000rpm on the highway which is kind of a bonerkill for me.

>>17012309

>FWD
>Koreashit quality

lol

THIS CAR HAVE BEEN OUT FOR FIVE (5) YEARS STOP MAKING THESE GARBAGE THREADS

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>>17019494
Why did you bump this? Was on page 9.

>>17019515
Someone (probably me) would've made a new 86 thread not long after it 404s.

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>>17017888
Forgive him anon, he meant E36.

>>17019515
>p-please let the mean thread go away mommmyyyyy

>>17012681
gt86 weenies BTFO

>>17019730
Mark my words, I'm taking my bone stock 86 to the Bürgerking this year and post a time faster than that, significantly. And you're not gonna find a 200bhp car that did it faster.

>>17010694

Could have bought a terminator with IRS

>>17019767
Haha what the fuck, why would you buy that? Completely different cars.

>>17019928
Someone somewhere likes something else better, so you're a retard for buying what you bought, are you new to 4chan or what?

>>17020017
I can understand why someone would say they prefer one, but recommend one, that's madness. Why would you recommend a Terminator?
May as well have recommended a Prius.

>>17019767
>Modular v8
Groce jeff.
Probably beat and raced to death too.

>>17020036
If you think that's a nonsensical recommendation, you've never been to /g/, the /pcbg/ threads specifically.

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>daily reminder my 340whp twin turbo I6 cost $9,000

ITT. A bunch of underage retards talking about cars they can't afford and have never driven getting butthurt at opinions from other retards about cars they have never driven and can't afford. Goddamn this board is shit.

>>17020093
>can't afford an 86
Nice try.

>>17020081
Holy shit bro that is rices out to hell. When you going to grow up ? I bet ur mom says same shit to you also.

>>17020081
>anually

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>>17020081
>I've been tripping for 6 months

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-video/video-alfa-romeo-4c-vs-toyota-gt86-vs-porsche-cayman

>>17014688
Someone who has clearly never driven.

https://youtu.be/JUhLXvxlQR4?t=6m20s

>>17022308

>muh smaller car
>i like feeling how unstable it feels
>heavier cars feel more stable
>i don't like stability

>>17012681
Is this actually accurate or is it just shitposting fuel? Or maybe both?

>>17022308
>used Porsche Cayman
Did they really need to let us know that the Porsche was used?

>>17022466
It's shitposting fuel.

>>17022470
Presumably if they didn't people would bitch about the price difference, rather than pitting new vs used.

>>17022341
Yet he loves the Cayman which is the most stable.
Funny hey