why did they give it literally no hp?

>>17007714
it has to be slower than subaru's vapemobile.

Because it's a car for rich parents to give to their college kids and they wanted it to be somewhat slow and efficient.

>>17007714
Honestly for a small car like the brz if it just had more torque and taller gears it'd be worlds faster.

>>17007714
so people would void the warranties LS1 swapping them

>>17007720
/thread

I have a hard time believing people are still butthurt over this stupid car.

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>>17007714
So you could shitpost about it

>>17007714
Because they gave it a shit engine. Like >>17007745 said, the fucking torque canyon RUINS the acceleration capabilities.

>>17007997
It's weird, it's almost like straight line acceleration wasnt a priority or something???

>>17007714
Daily reminder that /o/ would prefer an LS1 swapped Fiat Multipla over the 86.

>>17009892
5 years and it still triggers the benchracer that cannot comprehend why people like it.
You will never understand what makes cars great, I truly pity you.

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>>17009932
You misunderstand, I like the car.

>>17009957
>we want a Supra successor!
How about a RWD Corolla?

>we want it to be fast
It is fast... by 1986 standards.

>seriously push some numbers on that bad boy
Okay, how about 30MPG?

>we want it to be stylish
How about we tease you with this concept car than fuck up the production version on purpose?

>can you make it so we can tune it?
No, here's the smallest engine and engine bay in the world

>at least make it cheap
$29,000, just a grand or two short of other real performance cars. You're welcome!

>>17007714
To keep the price down

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>>17009820
EVERYONE would prefer that.

>>17009957
Even though I dislike the car I agree we've had this thread too much.

>>17010013
>>we want it to be stylish
>How about we tease you with this concept car than fuck up the production version on purpose?
>>can you make it so we can tune it?
>No, here's the smallest engine and engine bay in the world
You rarely see cars that look this close to the concept. And the engine bay fits V8s, 2JZs and someone even crammed a quad turbo V12 in it, I think you underestimate just how fuckhueg boxers are, in relation to their displacement.

>>17007714

So a gay little miata with 150hp can spank it from stoplight to stoplight.

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>>17010039
>And the engine bay fits V8s and someone even crammed a quad turbo V12 in it
>fits
>fits
>fits

Here's an example of a v8 that "fits":
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94724

>transmission makes weird noises
>trouble shifting into gear
>engine constantly burns oil
>traction control permanently off
>passenger airbag off

lmao

As for the v12 quad turbo, it sticks up 3 feet over the hood. That shit isn't driveable and even the owner who swapped it himself thought as much and now uses it as a show car.

How can you BRZ tools be so dense?

>>17010071
>1 (one) guy did a terrible job on a budget
>confirmation that the car absolutely cannot be tuned
Oh boy...

>itt nobody that has driven a 86/BRZ, let alone have a car newer than 2004

>>17008017
Acceleration isn't only about straight lines faggot

You can still accelerate in turns didn't you know?

That torque dip seriously hinders any performance it could have. Ironically you can get rid of the torque dip with an ECU tune but for some reason subaru won't do anything to fix it even though it's a really easy fix

>>17007714

Just supercharge it

>>17010114
Both the wrx and brz use the fa20 but the wrx has a turbo

I don't know why subaru didn't use the fa20 w/ turbo like the wrx does. It doesn't make any sense. They already have a car that fits the same engine but they purposely neutered it for what?

>>17010107

I see you've never been to a track. The number one thing that hinders a stock GT86 is the stock tires.

>>17010167
Really because I didn't know torque didn't matter when trying to accelerate on turns or coming out of a turn or anything

I also didn't know there were no straights on a track. Man there must be just no where to accelerate I guess that torque Canyon killing its power must not matter even though you shift into it every time you red line

>>17010091
I literally own a 2013 86.

>>17010187

On the street the torque dip is noticeable but on the track, less so. When a stock GT86 with dedicated summer tires is keeping up with an Alfa 4C, an Alfa Romeo and a bunch of M3/M4s, well, that says something about this car.

>>17010244

>an Alfa Romeo

Meant to put Lotus Elise.

>>17010120
Cost savings.

TWO. HUNDRED. HORSEPOWER.

>>17010244
No it says something about those shitty drivers. If an MR Lotus can't outrun a gt86 then he fucking sucks or the guy chasing him is really good.

>>17010120
Because the FA20s with factory turbos have it mounted underneath the engine, it'd literally scrape on the asphalt in a BRZ in that configuration.

>>17010187
I'm almost always in the 1500 to 3000 RPM range or in the 5000 to 7400 range. Who cares about torque between 3500 and 4500 RPM?

>>17010277
>lmao who needs torque guys XD

Doesn't equal length headers fix the torque dip?

>>17010278
>I need to be able to accelerate uphill in 6th gear at 40 mph without shifting down
Just get a vee-ayte or ecoboost you cunt.

>>17010282
unequal and a tune apparently, ~$1200

>>17010270

Lotus and Alfa were driven by driving instructors. The 86 was driven by an older gentlemen who definitely had experience.

>>17007714
Shit engine and also made for younger drivers.

>>17010319
>shit engine
>100hp per liter, N/A
ok kid

What are the best summer tires for occasional track and mostly daily driving?

>>17010350
>muh hp/l
Literally meaningless. Come back when you grow half a brain

>>17010401
Come back when you have a car, faggot.

>>17010410
Lmao even my bus is faster

>>17010411
>he is actually a bus rider

>>17010401
>>muh hp/l
>Literally meaningless
Literally the only relevant metric for measuring the quality of an engine in terms of performance. I bet you think a 5.7l V8 is a better engine because it has 100 bhp more.

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>>17010416
brah

>>17010426
>Literally the only relevant metric for measuring the quality of an engine in terms of performance.
No its not because displacement doesn't measure performance. There's tons of Hondas with dinky little 1.5l engines that put out tons of horse power because they either supplement it with a turbo or they have Honda magic and can crank 125hp out of a 1.4l n/a

>>17010426
Power to weight is a superior metric. Even then these metrics by themselves are worthless when you don't have all of them at once

why didn't they just make a bit more powerful and rwd version of the corolla, you know like the original meme car was which is why it became so popular in the first place.

>>17010031
I want this.

>>17010776
Because they don't wanna put in more effort into making a superior product

All they have to do is tune the ECU a bit to get rid of the torque Canyon but they wont

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>>17007720

>>17010039
Stop fucking parroting that v12 Saudi guy BS you heard about yesterday from shitposting

>>17010013
>Supra successor
>gt86
U wot

>>17007714
trash car for cartards

>>17007745

Mazda learned from this mistake. The gearing on the ND mx-5 is very good

>>17009820
You say that like that wouldn't be fucking awesome.

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>tfw the new GTI starting at like a grand less has a hundred more torks

i got 90hp in my fiat, who the fuck think that 200 is small amount

>>17010761
>125 out of a 1.4L
>1.4L fa20 would make 140
Your math is bad.
>supplement with a turbo
These cars hold 7lbs of boost reliably. Slap an eBay turbo on it for an extra 70hp and call it good.

>>17010792
A tune typically doesn't erase the issue, you need new headers as well. The two companies would likely have their own tuning solutions and one would be better, forcing higher competition and demand than their contract allows for.

Honestly I have no idea why Toyota didn't just make the thing on their own and drop in a revamped 2jz. Car would have been perfect from factory that way.

>>17011154
What Honda uses a fa20?

>>17011277
Are you illiterate? 125hp per 1.4l is not better than 200 per 2.0l, it's worse.

>>17011277
fa20 is the internal code toyota uses to name the 86.

>>17011290
FA20 is the engine you retard. And a subaru engine at that.

>>17010761
>125hp out of a 1.4l n/a
Thats 89.2hp per liter

gt86/brz has 100hp per liter

>>17011085
>tfw mexican
>tfw the smallest fiat sold here puts out 60 horses

>>17007714
sold mine yesterday after 3 years since its hard to dd it.

superb machine, the handling and overall enjoyment i felt while driving was unmatched by more expensive and faster cars

i'll probably buy another one in the future

>>17011435
>its hard to dd it
Elaborate.

>>17011435
>its hard to dd it.
why?

>>17011482
>>17011488
Americucks can't drive manual /thread

>>17011531

I doubt it has anything to do with the manual - that shit is easy. I live in fucking Chicago and DD a WRX with a stick-in-gravel 6-speed.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Study-Confirms-Chicagoans-Have-the-Worst-Commute-418413753.html

I'll bet that the real reason why it's hard to DD has to do with road conditions and bulltshit driveways. I've already scraped against 2 driveways and my car is on fucking stock suspension.

>>17011531
>Americucks can't drive manual
He owned it for 3 years...

>>17007720
this. can't encroach on muh sti. also it will be fun to mod and fuck with to get up to snuff. plus we don't want to give autistic ricers too much power and they kill themselves

>>17011577
The 86 ride is fairly high and comfy as fuck.

>>17010013
>We want a supra successor

Yeah we do and its fucking obvious the 86 isn't a successor from the gecko.

>>17007714
is a drift car it does not need much hp. Do you even inital d senpai.?

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>>17011783
>gecko
did you mean get go?
I'm not supposed to be laughing but I am, goddamn it

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>>17011783
Did I hear gecko?

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>>17007714
>implying i'm keeping it stock

>>17010401
If we only had half a brain we would still outsmart you and see that hp/l is a great metric of engine performance

>>17013432
How much did your parents pay for it?

>>17013811
I don't know a single 86 owner who didn't pay for it himself.

>>17014087
Could you maybe just let this garbage thread die?

>>17013432
Does it change the handling much?

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>>17007714
DAILY REMINDER
if you don't live in germany or anywhere in close proximity to the autobahn you will never be able to use a more powerful car to its full potential without breaking the law.

good luck using those 300 or 400 horses to go 50km/h or 130km/h on the highway.
good luck stomping on that gas for more than 1 second without immediately going to jail.
good luck at your """"""""local track""""""" you fucking busriding benchracers hahahahah.

in this day and age, the toyobaru has more than enough power and it's 10 times the car for half the price of any pretender.

>>17014488
I wanna bet that I've driven my 86 faster on the Autobahn than half of the shitposters have ever gone in any car.

>>17014513
>implying anyone here actually rides anything other than the bus
>implying /o/ is not just /n/ at this point
shiggy

>>17007714
What is it about this car that rustles /o/ so bad?
Every day there is shitposts about it with nothing but ass pain for it.

>>17014488

That's why I just settled down with an auto Corolla :)

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>>17010401
>>17010426
>>17013470

>They don't know about bmep or bsfc

>>17014488

>germany

i would prefer not to be raped by migrants tbqh fampai

>>17014488
This, outside of bench racing, the 86 is the best car you can buy if you enjoy racing

>>17007720
Makes me wonder why they didn't offer the WRX or STI drivetrain as a $10k option

>>17010244
Yeah no buddy even if it that story happened, which it didn't, it says more about the drivers than the cars

>>17007714
kek what the fuck

my shit box sedan from the 90s has more horsepower and torque than this car

okay no what the actual fuck?

>>17011154
Is it actually reliable? I don't mind them in stock trim, but have heard some horror stories about anyone going with some FI.

The toyobaru is the proof that HP/l is irrelevant. The Miata got even less power and nobody complain (you don't hourly threads about the lack of power).

>>17016213
Your shitbox sedan is a lot heavier as well.

>>17016334
Only by 50kg, actually.

>>17016136
Engine bay is too small

>>17007714
Because then it would cost more than the target audience is willing to pay for it.

>>17007714
>literally
fucking americlaps

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>>17011577
>>17011482
>>17011488


eastern european roads are shit, also scratches and marks from other idiot drivers, the front bumper looked like someone machine gunned stones on it

also the neighbors where i live, slashed my tires last year.

i loved the car, the way i drive, the handling from that fucking the car was fantastic, in the last year or so i started to 'feel' that torque dip, but i could live with it. also since the car is pretty rare, servicing is a bitch and if something fails, there are no specialists for subaru engines so i'd pay a fortune to drive it on a flatbed to austria or germany for fixing.

also fuel consumption was pretty shitty, i was getting 10.2 avg, and a full tank wouldn't last more than 450kms. i wouldn't say i drove it hard, but i was using the engines flexibility

Here's a quote from >>729146970 on /b/
>I enjoy /O/ they think HP makes the driver.

>>17007997
Alternatively you could put on some big boy underpants and learn to rev the engine out, but hey.

If you are anywhere near the fucking torque dip in a straight line you have no business operating a manual box.

>>17016148
Go watch a track day at Winton or Streets of Willow or any other fairly tight circuit.

>>17016378
Yup. It'd be a completely different car too.

REMEMBER;
-- Cheap
-- Good
-- Fast

Pick two.

>>17007732
At my school every car guy owns a gti or a mercedes. I'm the only person at my school with a frs.

>>17018275
where I'm not there is not a single BRZ/FRS
all the car guys go for ecoboost

>>17011065
>and it goes round tracks faster
Lmao how can the memeRZ even compete

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>>17014488
>t-the other, better cars are just pretenders!!!!!!!
Toyobarufags reaching so hard their shoulder snaps in half

>>17010798
I don't get this graphic. It gets beaten by cars twice its cost? The Golf gti is a few seconds faster despite being more expensive and a turbo engine?

Isn't that a great outcome?

>>17018190
--Cheap
--Good
--Fast

Or pick the v8 Mustang and get the following:
--Cheap
--Good
--Fast
--Snap Oversteer into Tree

>>17018653
>snap oversteer
Niceme.me

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>give it the same engine in the current STi but give it stupidly high compression so adding FI is tricky

The GT86 would have been so much better if it had a regular 4 cylinder in it

>>17014488
>10 times the car for half the price of any pretender.

>370z
>4k more

>fucking implying

>>17018806
370Z is shit though, the 86 is a better car AND cheaper