/ORG/ - Off Road General

>>16995363
bumping 4 intrst

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Tree

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>the perils of IFS

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>>16997416

>>16997436
>3.98 MB
you cheeky bastard

>>16997416
Nice fields. Where this?

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>>16997436
>>16997416
Looks like fun my guy. Are you the white YJ out in LA?

>>16997368
Idk why but that little ramp make me laugh a bit

>>16997368
aww the unnerved ranger looking at the ramp

>eyeballing suburban
>wanting to build up a decent long-haul offroad
>live in VA Beach
>No offroad anywhere within 3 hours.

Feels bad, man.

>>16998515
Welp, good thing you're doing a long-haul build. Maybe do an auxilary fuel tank and some water cans and turn it into an overlander/camper

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>>16997601
Yes, I am white YJ guy from LA, Commiefornia

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>>16998790
Hella, dude.

Well hey, when Yellow YJ and I meet up again we'll let you know. Next one might be in Ramona, CA if you're willing to drive that far.

Otherwise, we'll have plenty more around SoCal in the future!

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>>16997584
This is in Hungry Valley, off the I-5. Exit Gorman

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>>16999193
I'd love to meet up with you guys, but Romona is too for from me. My work schedule is hectic

I do appreciate the invite. If you guys ever are nearby I'm down

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Thread meme incoming. Blue XJ anon drunk and chilling with shop cat again.

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>>16999412
Give that animal a wrench and put it to work.

>>16999942
Trust me, he's a hard worker. Always doing his part to fuck around my ankles while I'm working, knocking shit off the bench, and clawing the back of my legs when I won't pet him.

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Bump. Where is everybody? I've got all but the left front fender bed lined.

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>>17000417

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>>16999391
Damn gorman is a lot greener than when I was racing there last August.

Rally Cars allowed in ORG?

>>17001002
of course
keep [B]osting

>>16997370
>reversing up to an obstacle and take pic to make ppl think u actually traversed it

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>>16999405
Yeh we'll probably do something at like Cleghorn or something closer at some point, so I'll keep you posted!

>>16999412
Qt shop cat

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Maybe with more rain this year the shrubs will actually hold the dirt together and its not a giant sand pit.

>>17001340
what's wrong with sandrunning tho

you guys ever seen that DIrt Every Day show? just showed up on Netflix but I think he's got a youtube channel or something. one of the most hilariously half-assed shows I've watched but it sure does make me want a Wrangler. Moab is only a day away.

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Looking at a 1999 4runner with 240k and an eLocker. I think it's a highlander trim but am unsure. Has the paperwork for the timing belt and water pump that was recently done.

What sort of price should I be looking it? It's listed for 5k

>>17002280
Whatever you want to pay for it. As a 4x4, it's worth about $2500. Memelord Toyota tax makes it "worth" $3500-4500.

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>>17002287

> Memelord Toyota tax

/o/ Isn't my home board. Give me a quick run down on the memelord status

>>17002149
I love dirt everyday, Fred is awesome and doesn't really care about anything. Great host.

>>17002280
That is about the same price as where I live in the South East. But my specific city and area has a huge markup on Toyota trucks and 4Runners for some reason. You can drive an hour in any direction and save 25%. I would try and get is closer to 4k.

>>17002280
Better get a Suburban with a Ford front end and a 20mpg 350 small block for $1500

>>17002320
I honestly cannot figure that dude out. he's got a shop that I would call modest at best but somehow he can throw all that money at that LSA swapped army truck on 37s, that Tubesock Jeep with front and rear Curries, armor, multiple sets of wheels and tires. and those 54s he put on that Ford retail for almost $1000 a piece. I wonder if some producers started throwing money at his show or he's really just a modest dude.

>>17002457
Motortrend are sponsored by maxxis or tyre rack or something, so they probably get free or discounted tyres. In one of the DED extras one of his friends talks about his shop a little, so I think he does pretty well overall.

>>17002320
>dirt every day
>only posts once every 2 weeks

Just fitted the cheese cutter BF km2s recently, one trip in and very happy with they way they performed.

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>>17002810

Suburbanfag here.

Are we doing another LA /org/ meet?

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>>17001133
But you can clearly see the bend in the path past the tree vs. behind the tree

>>17002306
Taxes make you pay a certain percentage more for something.

All older toyotas cost more as a result

>>17002820

nice

>>17002820
>>17002810
235/85R16?
Aiming for this size for the Montero for the next set of tyres. Or if a wild card set of 255/85R16 happens to turn up...
I really like the way skinny tyres work in the bush.

>>17003013
Nah 245/75/16, so about an inch smaller.

I was very very close to 255/85s, the extra $80 per corner was enough to put me off, also lacking a turbo i was worried about losing what little available line power i have

>>17003013
But yeh skinny mud tyres rules

>>17002839
Are you Yellow Suburban Guy?

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>>17002839
We have one in San Diego on the 23rd, but we might do a Cleghorn run at some point in the near future

>>17003082
what

no they don't. unless they're 37s or someth

>>17005608

Not that poster but unless you're running in deep bottomless mud all the time or slick rocks, skinny tires are objectively better.

Unless you need the width to compensate for something...

>>17005608
What

Yes they do. unless you don't know what you're talkin bout

>>17003076
Presuming it's a 5L (3 litre) diesel? You made the right choice not overcapitalising on the 33" 255s without gearing.
>>17005636
This. Bottomless dried out swamps are the exception.
>>17005608
Skinnies are great in mud, as not only there's less forward resistance, they cut down to a firm surface. The only real circumstance if come across where the cheese cutters come up short, is if you're trying to screw around in soft, dry, coarse sand with no body. Once you're moving though, they're not a drama.

>>17005840
Yep 5L.
Sooo many people choose form over function with the old luxes, I'm happy because it looks capable (because it is) without looking like I got a little pecker.

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>>16995363
>Lights

Speaking of lights, my projectors and bixenon harness showed up today. Running Morimoto XB 4500k bulbs but currently with shitty ebay ballasts. Will go with Acme Speedy Start ballasts if I can't find any Hella Gen 3s at the local yard.

>>17006021
Neat. What projector housings did you go with? Any pick of fitment?
I'd love to retro fit a set of Hella E55 housings to the standard low beam halogen projector location on my 4th gen Montero, but kits are too bloody expensive.
>>17005866
You'll have to start looking for 2L-T manifolds... Or a second hand 1KZ :P

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>>17006389

Acme Supers going in cheapo ebay reflector housings.

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looking at a 2008 4runner sport.
are there any better options.

>I have no need for a bed so no pickups
>needs to be comfy at highway and city driving
>dont plan on doing any lifting or suspension modding
>mainly for fire trails

>>17006665
I'm subaru wagon. And I'm not even memeing.

Maybe an FJ cruiser for overkill.

>>17006687
looked at both, subaru was great but the headgaskets scared my away

fj is overkill

>>17006665
If you're considering the 4runner from less than a decade ago, also consider the Tay Yoda FJ 60.

Mad comf. Plus it won't depreciate if you find one under $7000. It's depending on where you live, though.

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>>17006740
>FJ 60
fuck

that would be a nice setup.
thanks

>>17006755
If you live in a northern state or canada, it's found to be better and cheaper to import a left hand drive than it is to buy a second hand rust bucket. if you go more north, they could use gravel, though, so you could be safe.

those '08 4runners are also not a bad idea. or a nissan r51. if you ever think you're going to upgrade your offroad capabilities, consider the tay yoda FJ70. they come in a neat little troop carrier box, too and have a more solid suspension all around. that comes at the cost of comfytude, though.

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>>17006709
Headgaskets are a meme. They only blow on the 2.5 and, if you have experience with rebuilding engines, they're not any harder to replace than on any other engine.

That being said, yeah it's not ideal

>>17006740
>Tay Yoda
Tay Pls.

>>17004116
No Im white GMT800 subruban fag

>>17004153
kk

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>>17008194

>>17006389
Dont tempt me with that kind of talk!
Shes been a reliable truck and only has about 140k miles on it and the 5L has plenty of life in it still.
I want to keep it for ever! I have a brand new Nissan navarra as a work car and fuckin hate it, i love old jap 'tractors', theyre so mechanical and fun.

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>>17008194
>>17008210
nice tj
the last good jeep

>>17010233
>the last good jeep
why?

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>>17010254
Because the JK is a heavy, suburban-dadmobile, domesticated pile of shit

And it comes in a 4-door defeating the purpose of a light, short-wheel-base, compact SUV

>>17010738
Nobody's forcing you to buy the four door, you clown.

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>>17010750
And yet, people still BUY the stupid things

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>>17010254
this exactly>>17010738

>>17010750
wow
why so butthurt
>stop not liking things that i like

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>>17006665
FJ's are fugy as fug

I am not a toyota guy but I picked up an 05 4runner late last year and have been very pleased by it.

Just make sure you change all the fluids out when you get it, (including diff's and Transfer case)

Comfortable ride , plenty of space inside even when hauling people. Meh tier fuel mileage. I am running 10w40 mobil1 instead of the 5w30 oil and have been getting better mileage out of mine for some reason. Just let it idle for a bit more on startup and dont beat on it until it gets warm.

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>>17010976
>I picked up an 05 4runner late last year and have been very pleased by it.
>Just make sure you change all the fluids out when you get it, (including diff's and Transfer case)
yep first thing im doing already know what to buy. also gonna do that caliper upgrade and chain service.
>Comfortable ride

also gonna do the scion radio upgrade and steering wheel swap.

>>17010954
I don't even like the four door. Stop badmouthing things that don't affect you.

>>17011003
>complaining about different opinions
how old are you
i don't give a shit if you like the heap
so why do you give a shit that i don't

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>>17011000
>I picked up an 05 4runner late last year and have been very pleased by it.
Did it come with a japanese hooker built in underneath the driver seat sucking you off when pressing a button on the steering wheel?
- If so, seems like i need myself an 05 4runner.

giggity

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>>17010750
>>17011003
ITT: bootybothered 4-door goys

>>16995363
Is it smart or even worth it to DD an FJ80 or FJ60?

>>17011653
sure why not
if that's what you want to do
do it

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>>17011653
Sounds like fun desu

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Turns out /o/ hates jeeps and is gigatriggered over them!

>>17011794
Jeeps are for cucks

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>>17011845
>thirdie bike riding NEET cuck _still_ posting

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>>17011653
Yeah. That's what I plan on doing in a bit.
>pic related
>iForce swap when

Also:
>85 replies
>not a single taytay
It's weird that 4chan has me taking pictures of offroading on the trails now...

>>17011794
People just hate Jeeps because it's the popular thing to do. Before, it was popular to own a Jeep.

I wonder what's next for the normie /ORG/ society...

>>17011790
y fun

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>>17011866
>mfw the cuck LITERALLY replies to every single one of my baits

Heres a tip, you never let the other one knows what triggers you the most

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@17011881
>HE'S ACTUALLY AN animeNEET THIRD WORLD SHITSKIN

MY
FUCKING
GIGASIDES

LITERALLY THE LOWEST FORM OF LIFE ON EARTH

>>17011886
sigh

>>17011886
>@17011881

Kek, got him again

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I've had it with these muthafuckin snakes in this muthafuckin desert.

>>17011886
>@
>kys

>>17012117
Fuck I'd love to go into an abandoned mineshaft.

What used to be mined in there? Also where is this???

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>>17012255
Gold here, many gold, silver, copper, talc, etc.
Explored these after crossing Mengel Pass into Golar Wash, Death Valley.

>>17012312
More pics, bls. How was the 10 days?

I've heard Ragnar Benson had mild success in the 80s / 90s recovering little chips of loose gold and platinum ore on the bottom of mineshafts. People would drop them because they would just opt for the larger pieces of rock instead. Apparently every kg of pebble would net him like 1-3 g of gold / platinum. It wasn't worth much back then but could be worth it wandering around today. Anyway, this is /out/ talk >>>/out/991788

>>17012312
aren't you moving soon or have you already

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>>17012355
>>17012364
The 10 days were epic.
With the exception of my AC compressor going out while up Trail Canyon. Didn't need it but it made a nasty racket until I got it swapped out.
Guess it was time though. It was original.
Not moving. I own a place in Oakland CA & Pahrump NV. I'm on the map.
Eventually plan to spend more time in NV but I get out as much as possible.

>>17012441
Picc spam. More XJ piccs, too.

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I'll just dump picture of offroaders until someone tells me to stop.

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>>17012476
On the way to have lunch at Barker Ranch where they caught Charlie Manson.
Helter Skelter.

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>>17012539

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Haulin' bikes out to the Dry Lake Bed.

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>>17012441
yeah
i thought you were the pahrump guy
i'll be heading back to visit there in a couple months
hopefully wheeler doesn't have a shitload of snow still
did you go to hs in pahrump

>>17012548
Is that el mirage?

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>>17012547

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Other anon, stop.

I want to see groin XJ guy's adventures
>>17012497
>>17012548

>>17012548
many drunk nights on that dry lake
set fire to a big portion of it in 00'
don't drink and play with fire

>>17012601
ok

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>>17012551
Wheeler was really muddy, lot's of snow/ice on the Indian Springs side but should be fine in a couple of months.
Ever taken Rocky Gap over into Red Rocks?
No, HS on the East coast. Came to Commiefornia for university and stayed.
Came to Pahrump to motorcycle with Jimmy Lewis & ended up buying a house. Spending a lot of time riding and 4-wheelin' there.
Here's Rocky Gap.

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>>17012614
I can imagine.
Had Cali authorities chase us once.
Pathetic as their jurisdiction ends 1/2 way across the Lake Bed.
Here's top of Mengel.
Does this spare tire make my ass look fat?

>>17012617
Thank you.

>>17012667
Kick it in 4wd-l, 4th gear should outrun them once you get to rough terrain :^)

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A ful lday of exploring new mines.
Later /ORG/bros, gotta go try to make some money today.

>>17012620
the indian springs is the best side of wheeler it changes every year
almost fucking rolled the fj because i was gawking at a fucking wild horse
i think i have a pic somewhere
never been to rocky gap but def going to check it out
i wasn't really into off-roading when i lived there just bikes

>>17012117
Damn it. That's where they are hiding the aliens.

I love xjs

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>>17012667
the enforcement has gotten stronger over the years
back in the 90's nobody gave a shit
commiefornia is bleeding into nv

>>17012743
>hiding the aliens
>ITT:
>we summon ICE

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>>17012749
Yeah, it's why I bought a place in Pahrump.
Pahrump's really weird in a good way.
You find all kinds of weird shit in the desert.
Especially one so close to area 51.

>>17012794
wtf is that thing
is it some sort of sun dial
pahrump is a very strange town with some very strange people
i couldn't imagine trying to make a living out there

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>>17013022
I'm really not sure but I think it's some sort of marker for military plane maneuvers/practice.
I've seen some strange aircraft flying nearby.
I found it when I was lost and using a wash to ride back to civilization.
Here is a photo of the underside.
Yeah, I would never really work in Pahrump.
I'm so house rich in Cali that I could sell the Cali house and live in the Pahrump house and never work again. I'm using it to eventually live part-time in both but a majority in NV for tax reasons and to go riding and 4-wheelin'!

>>17010233
Thanks man, I like it pretty good

>>17013107
got yourself a good gig man
>the only good thing about pahrump is the open desert and the lack of an educated local government >>17013116

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>>17013430
i'm an idiot
sorry>>17013116

>>17013116
you going to lift it?

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>>17006665
I was in a similar boat to you. I bought an Xterra because it was 2/3 of the price of a 4Runner. Pretty comparable and you can get the rear locking diff with the Off Road option which is nice. Not gonna be as comfy as a Subaru on pavement due to the height and wheelbase makes it twitchy.

>>17013684
If it's twitchy that's not due to dimensions, it's due to suspension and steering design.

>>17013944
I always assumed based on my experience driving trucks for work. A Ram 2500 crew cab long bed is like piloting an aircraft carrier. Certainly not twitchy though!

>>17013447
well at least you're not drunk

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>>16995363
Tars are mounted. Talked with my buddy at the shop during, lift is going on next week. Fucking psyched.

>>17014547
.........yet

>>17014732
I am.

>>17014650
nice wheels
how loud are those things?

>>17014750
No idea yet. Just got the tires mounted today in preparation for lifting. They'd fit right now with the budget lift, but they'd smack the fenders while cornering, so they're not installed on the Jeep yet. But from past experience with friends, they're not quiet, but livable if you're not commuting all day every day.

>>17014547
says you

>>17014771
are you yellow yj guy?

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>>17014807
Kys for memeing. But no, I'm drunk blue XJ guy.

>>17014840
>kys for memeing
>drinking busch light
what the fuck are you doing on 4chan

>>17014847
Busch light isn't a meme, it's the redneck dream. And I was trying to keep from getting too drunk tonight, so I bought a 12 pack of light instead of ice. I'm on fortune because it's the best offroad discussion without boomers, endless bullshit, and a required account for posting.

>>17014877
post the size of your anime folder

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>>17014904
jesus christ

>>17014904
Literally zero. I don't care for anime, or American cartoons except family guy, or television in general. And honestly, I don't know what you're getting at. I like jeeps and offroading, and it's what I want to talk about.

>>17014877
do you kill the 12pk in one night?

>>17014938
post a pic of your xj

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>>17015060
Yeah. That's why on nights I don't want to get too drunk I get the light.

>>17015074
Have multiple times, but here it is again.

What does /ORG/ think of second generation Frontiers?

>if you plan on toyota shilling please provide explanation for why its better

>>17015120
Only have experience with current gen, and they are awful, can't imagine they used to be better. Anything specific you're looking into? And no, Tacoma isn't better. Nissan hard body was better than taco and frontier.

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Ordered a new turbo for the TJ. Decided to get a 136-amp one for possible upgrades.

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/org/, I want to get some off-road lights for my xterra. I can mount a smaller bar in the front bumper, a mega yuge bar on the roof or something else (some hella spots/floods?).

I don't know shit about shit regarding wiring. How difficult is this to wire up?

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>>17015157
>Only have experience with current gen
Current generation is the second generation IIRC. Second generation is 2005-present. They got a face lift and interior makeover somewhere near 2010 I think.

First generation was like 1999 to 2004 with the supercharged VG33's.

>they are awful
How so? Anything specific?

>Anything specific you're looking into?
Been wanting to buy a 4 door truck for a while. I've liked the 2011+ ecoboost F-150's but recently rented one for a road trip and it was just too big for something I would want to live with daily.

So looking at something smaller it pretty much comes down to the Colorado, Tacoma, and Frontier. I've always liked the way the Frontier looks and was wondering what you guys know about them. I know they ahve better frames than the Equivalent year Tacomas and are pretty much built on the same chassis/suspension as the Titans. The Frontier motors are also substantially stronger than the Tacomas year for year since 2005.

>Nissan hard body was better than taco and frontier.
I really have my head set on something with 4 doors to take camping but with a bed for hauling shit around. I also have dogs and want to be able to load them up and some guns/camping shit in the back of my truck to go out inna woods.

A 4x4 crew cab Frontier seems right up my alley.

>>17015120
aftermarket support and a history of dependency that still goes into today. both are irrelevant when you're comparing the tacoma to the frontier.

second general nissan frontiers are great. cheaper alternative to the tacoma with little to no drawbacks besides being harder to find.

>>17015157
seconded. i drove a third gen frontier for 2 weeks and they look horrible of all the modern "full sized" trucks.

don't even get me started on the titan

Anyone have a build list for the OP Pic suburban?

I got a 454 that I want to overhaul into a overland trucc

>>17015185
>connect black wire to ground
>connect red wire to positive terminal on battery
>splice switch into red wire to be able to turn them off and on

It's literally that easy.

>>17015209
So connect one to each nipple?

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>>17015201
When you say second generation you mean the 2005+ models like pic related right?

I didn't even know they had a third generation Frontier.

>>17015217
All nipples

>>17015232
Those goddamn four spoke wheels. The fucking worst.

>>17014938
>I don't care for anime, or American cartoons except family guy
But what about Dragon Ball or Rick and Morty?

>>17015217
Essentially yes.

but you don't even have to connect them to the negative terminal on the battery, The battery negative terminal is grounded to the chassis. meaning you can ground whatever accessory you're installing to the chassis as well instead of running a wire back to the battery.

Run supply power from positive terminal on battery through a fuse just above the rated amps of the acessory you are installing, then through a switch installed in a convenient location in the truck, then to the positive power input on the light or whatever else you're installing.

Then run the negative from the light or whatever it is to a bolt attached to the chassis to complete the circuit. Boom, it works and now its protected from a short. And you have the ability to turn it on and off in the cabin. Get creative with where you're running the wires so it doesn't look like shit.

Or if you want to get fancy you can install a relay hooked to something that is already switched from the cabin like the headlights or the bed light. When this circuit is energised it will trip the relay then energize the lights you are installing.

Really easy and slick to wire a relay for offroad lights to your bed light. That way you keep all the aftermarket wiring out of the cabin and have a factory switch control your aftermarket offroad lights. Just have to be sure you don't leave your bed light on with the truck off for long periods because this kills the battery.

Make sure you fuse everything coming off the terminal to prevent shorts of fucking everything up.

>>17015258
Really what does it for me on these trucks is the round wheel arches and the refined front end.

Jelly bean or angry snake headlights or weird square wheel arches really trigger me.

I guess the Frontier and the F-150 are the only trucks for me.

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>>17014547
>>17014732
>>17014738
Lmao. How to guarantee replies on /ORG/:
talk about rampant alcoholism

>>17015232
Well technically they didn't D21, D22, etc. D23 only exists outside of North America like the Ranger.
However, the "facelifted" Navara / Frontier came out with a weird trim that just made the whole vehicle seem "Nissan" tacky.

Honestly, it was the first trucc I test drove after my I-5 Colorado and before the F-150, Ram, and older 1500 Silberado. So I discovered that I hated modern picc'em upp truccs by driving the Frontier for 2 weeks. Compared to the F-150 and modern Ram 1500, it's not actually THAT much worse. It just has that horrible modern Nissan aesthetic to it but is a good swap for what you mentioned to be a "smaller" full sized trucc. Its transmission is a bit fucky if you like to control your shifts when in automatic, though. So be a bit wary of that.

However, you may find more usage in a crew cab Colorado or Tacoma due to their larger aftermarket support (especially with the tacoma since you can get inboard winch, fog lights, etc whilst keeping their aesthetic).

The extended cab gives you the better option of a longer bed. Taynger's 6 ft bed gives us more than enough room to lay two people and I can keep a doggo, gun, tools, etc in the ext. cab without needing to mess around with stuff in the back.

I also drove the R52 monstrosity but we're not going to talk about that unibody mom-mobile...

Off Road fags which do you think is the better vehicle, FJ Cruiser or Jeep Wrangler?

>>17015287
Oh and it's worth noting that I wanted to find a Colorado crew cab before I settled with buying another extended cab small trucc.

I am quite glad I did because I would not have been able to survive some of those rocky trails I hit with ol' reliable Taynger had I found a 6ft bed Colorado crew cab.

I do miss the I-5 sounds at night, though.

Also relevant: http://www.bedryder.com

>>17015297
Which Jeep Wrangler? A modified TJ or YJ will outperform any modified Cruiser.

Wait no. A stock cruiser will outperform a TJ or YJ modfied slightly

Wait no. A land cruiser will outperform an FJ TJ.

Wait no. A bone stock suburban will outperform the FJ Land Cruiser YJ.

>>17015278
This is a really well written explanation. Thanks for the information.

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>>17015287
>The extended cab gives you the better option of a longer bed.
Crew cab Frontiers can be had with the standard bed.

>>17015176
look at that thicc ass gold impeller

Whats a good swing out tire rack for a 92-99 suburban?

Also wants a good mounting point for a CB antenna? I was thinking of drilling a hole in the rear bumper and attaching it and running the wires under.

Or would it be better to invest in a whole bumper setup?

>>17015318
Let's say 2014 FJ Cruiser TRD and a 2016 Jeep Wrangler Willy's W

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>>17015324
the extra half a metre adding to the breakover angle would make me nervous

i'm already nervous with my short(er) wheelbase accounting for a pretty small angle, desu. for good reason, too

also why the fuck did captcha literally make me select every square. fuck i need a touch screen monitor.

>>17015324
How bad of an idea are these?

Thinking of trading my XV for one for sale at a local dealer.

>>17015357
Yea, I'm not a fan of the regular bed crew cab trucks. The short bed is much better proprortioned and seems much more manageable offroad. But it is an option if you want 4 doors and a full size bed.

Also, get 4chin gold pass

>>17015088
nice
i have seen it before
what's up with the ricer?

>>17015365
They're not bed trucks. mechcanically they are pretty good. Only issues they have are the radiator and trans coolers are the same peice. Essentially the radiator was sealed at the bottom to create a seperate chamber to run trans cooolant through.

Some of these radiators have failed internally causing coolant to leak into the transmission fluid. This kills the transmission.

Solution is to get an aftermarket radiator or seal up and don't use the trans cooler portion of the radiator. Not sure how many trucks this affected but I would cure it myself if I got one as a preventative measure.

>>17015392
Is this true even on newer trucks? The one I'm looking at is a 2016

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>>17015365
Maybe you can wait for the 2020 Ranger.

Or settle for the current 'rado like you wanted.

Honestly, the aesthetics of the Frontier (inside, out, and feeling) makes me always bash it but on paper, it's actually better than any F-150, Ram, or Silberado


>>17015367

>paying the gook jew
>shigadibbity doobpadoogaty

And neither should you be. might as well get a Honda Ridgeline or Escalade at that point :^)

You cannot camp with a shortbed unless you have a RTT, though. Why not just get a 4 door SUV so you can remove the back two seats (or leave the smaller one in)?

I needed the bed (and still do) because of my innawoods HAZMAT shipping so that was not an option for me. Why do you need the bed that can't be solved with a roofrack, trailer, or separate vehicle?

>>17015392
>This kills the tranny.
was this intentional or do you just meme speak your life on accident and not realise how funny some things can be?

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>>17015403
>Ranger
Triggered

>>17015349
*willys

>>17015403
>innawoods HAZMAT shipping
what did he mean by this?

>>17015392
>>17015365
Posted too soon above.
Not bad trucks. Mechanically pretty good.

Was going to say the interior is pretty dated on them, especially pre-face lift.

But as bare bones utility vehicles with real truck frames and suspension they are good cheap alternatives to the Tacoma.

Some of them came with lockers out back, only the NISMO and PRO-4X. They came with a shorter version of the Titan axle.

The 6 speed 2wd trucks also came with this axle but no locker

The auto 4x4 (non-NISMO/Pro-4X) came with a weaker Nissan version of the dana 44

There were no 6 speed 4x4's.

Theya re based on the Titan chassis so Titan suspension bolts right up. People create cheap mid travel kits by swapping in wider Titan lower control arms and putting in coilovers with hoops. Pretty much the entire Titan front suspension aftermarket is easily adaptable to the Frontier.

Frontier front differentials are weaker than the Titan diffs and have a habit of popping when wheeled hard with big tires.
The Titan didfs also swap over. Need to swap axles though, which means you need the Titan lower contorl arm swap too due to axle length. Basically end up with an entire Titan front end, widr track and more travel when you go to the bigger diff. Or get custom axles made.

Problem with going Titan front diff is if you have a regular 4x4 (not a Nismo or Pro-4X) the front diff ratio doesn't match the rear on the Dana 44 clone. And aftermarket ratios are difficult to find for the D44 clone. So people just end up swapping Titan rear ends in too to get a matching gearing. May as well do a 64" sprung under leaf swap for long travel in the rear while you're in there.

>>17015401
I dunno, I dont know shit about these trucks.

>>17015403
>Why not just get a 4 door SUV
Can't fit bikes in the back of an SUV.

>>17015410
I dont know half the shit I type or why I just ramble drunk on the internet hoping someone understand what the fuck im saying and it helps someone.

>>17015403
>but on paper, it's actually better than any F-150, Ram, or Silberado

Please, PLEASE tell me what on paper makes the Frontier better than a short bed Duramax? Or even a 90s 5.7l C/K 2500?

>>17015455
>Problem with going Titan front diff is if you have a regular 4x4 (not a Nismo or Pro-4X) the front diff ratio doesn't match the rear on the Dana 44 clone. And aftermarket ratios are difficult to find for the D44 clone. So people just end up swapping Titan rear ends in too to get a matching gearing. May as well do a 64" sprung under leaf swap for long travel in the rear while you're in there.

And to add to this if you go wider track front with Titan lower control arms you probably should look into glass fenders to make use of more up travel. And if you swap the stronger Titan front diff then you have to swap the stronger Titan rear diff (talking non-Nismo/Pro-4X here) to get matching ratios then you end up with wider track in the rear, and you probably sprung under to fit it to get the more up travel. So now you have to run glass bedsides.

So now your simple Frontier offroad project ended up with 3 inches wider track front and rear with entirely new suspension components front and rear and then you literally ripped half the body work to fit fiberglass fenders and bed sides then you had to paint your truck so you don't look like a fag now you have a pretty decent frontier 4x4 prerunner with ~16" of travel front and rear. maybe more.

Dont even get me started on coil bucket contact with the upper control arms or the transmission spline differences between transmissions.

>>17015484
>what on paper makes the Frontier better than a short bed Duramax?
Doesn't weight a gorillian pounds?

>90s 5.7l C/K 2500
Isn't old and shit?

>>17015507
>16" of travel front and rear.
You don't combine the front and rear travel for one number, guy.

>>17015516
thats not combined. thats around 16" travel front and rear. like I said.

>>17015511
No and no.

>>17015462
I hear that you can. My friend is hoping to get an FJ70 just for this purpose.

>>17015484
Sorry. I was responding to the anon above and we were discussing modern picc'em up trucc's. I was thinking we were talking about the context of the 2012 and above "full sized" trucks and realised that statement would've been incredibly retarded out of context.

>>17015481
Hehe. I need to start using "this kills the tranny" more often when talking about transmission death.

>>17012749

Just checked out your pick.
Is that smoke over Pahrump from the fire?

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>>17015523
You'll get 16" out of 63" leafs but you're not getting 16" out of double wishbone IFS just by swapping in the stock suspension from one shitty truck into a truck that was even shittier. You'll get more than the stock Frontier, but not very much. The difference in LCA length isn't all that much. You might squeeze an extra inch of downtravel and 1/2" of uptravel.

Let's be clear, the primary point of this swap is the added strength of the stronger diff in the Titan, and the extra track width that everyone loves on 4x4s. The increase in travel while a good thing, is only a very small side effect.

In order for it to be really be worth the cost and effort, you'd need to be buying longer travel aftermarket suspension for a Titan and only using stock Titan parts where needed for compatibility with the Titan suspension. This is not by any means a simple or cost effective swap vs buying a different vehicle. It's a band-aid for buying the wrong vehicle that would have cost less for the same thing had you bought a different vehicle.

>>17015587
The travel comes from hoops and coilovers in addition to the wider track width. Frontier suspension downtravel is limited by coil bucket contact with the upper control arms.

Longer throw coilover shocks mounted to hoops and a bed cage combined with wider track Titan Lower control arms nets a substantial boost in travel.

>>17015603
>bed cage
herp derp engine cage

>>17015603
Still not going to be 16" with the factory suspension components even if the coilovers support it. You'll break balljoints and TREs and grenade CV axles if you tried to actually use even close to that much travel.

The LCAs are only 1.5" longer so realistically that's only a gain of about a 1/2" of downtravel and 1/4-1/2" uptravel depending on where the bump stops are.

Like I said, travel is not the primary point of the control arm swap, which is quite a bit more involved than it sounds at first.

In order to get near that much travel you're going to be dumping a LOT of time and money into it. If your primary goal is travel, SFA is going to be the easiest and cheapest means of getting that much travel.

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>>17015403
>And neither should you be. might as well get a Honda Ridgeline or Escalade at that point :^)
Nonsense. They're brilliant. They provide a damn sight more cargo capacity than their SUV relatives and for this purpose they're perfect for camping.
>You cannot camp with a shortbed unless you have a RTT, though.
Problem with that is using your SUV for sleeping quarters severely limits your ability to take supplies, unless you build a false floor that's half the depth up to the roof space.
When roll out swags and tents are so cheap and easier to set up than it is pulling everything out of the wagon to sleep in it, there's really no reason to be sleeping in your vehicle for anything more than a couple of nights away.
My ideal setup is a swag underneath a roll out awning for a bit of sheltered standing room.
>>17015541
While the LC Troopy does fit them, it's still fairly easier loading bikes with the access of an open bed. Did it with a Delica a few times and it works good enough, but is still much easier with even a CC/SB with the tailgate down. Short of a van or mentioned LC Troopy there's no chance in a regular SUV.
>>17015287
>I also drove the R52 monstrosity but we're not going to talk about that unibody mom-mobile...
Rofl, still has me beat why Nissan didn't adapt an SUV variant of the new D23. With production completely ceasing of the Y61 Patrol and now with the R51 giving way to the glorified R52 Altima wagon, there's only the battleship sized Y62 left for the 4x4 SUV options.

>>17015421
>hurr my 4 cylinder ranger is slow

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>>17015657
I have the bed setup in my xterra. It's crucial for cold nights and whenever it's windy. Fuck the process of setting up a tent or looking for a flat spot to put one up on.

>>17015669
Wouldn't have minded if it got good mileage or was fun to drive

>>17015403
>You cannot camp with a shortbed unless you have a RTT, though.
I can sleep in the back of my short bed truck. I'm 5'11" though so I only have a few inches to spare.

>>17015682
If you got a 4.0 you would've been happier

>>17015681
That's why I love these things for short term rough trips away.
Set up quicker than you can climb into the back of the bed.
A decent sleeping bag keeps you toastie in these things too.

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>>17015722
fuck
I'd probably go for the bed option if it was snowing though, but that's not really something I'd have to worry about.

>>17015710
Probably

>>17015682
Just did a mixed city, highway driving, and heavy traffic driving. Got 350km out of 55 litres (constantly. So mixed is around 15.7 litres / 100km. That's 15 MPG exactly of mixed drivings after upgrading 28 inch tyres to 32 without regearing.
On stock Taynger, she got 400 km to 55 litres. so she was sitting at around 17 MPG mixed driving.

On the long haul highway, I constantly get 460 km out of 60 litres. So that's around 18 MPG after the tyre upgrade of highway driving at 120km/h. Something is wrong here... I think I should be getting more than that.

Let's see what I get when I change the spark plugs.

>>17015868
4.0 litre ranger when? :^)

>>17015657
Escalade is brilliant for reasons other than an offroader. But both those vehicles were just facetious remarks made at the context of our discussion...

Yes. It doesn't limit your ability to take more and more supplies which is what a bed is fantastic for. So I guess the RTT or other bed would be it.
Someone on /out/ built a drawer system for packing things on the wheel well levels and sleeping above a carpeted top covered by one of those larger camper shells. I would totally do that if I didn't need the full size of the bed.

I suppose the LC trooper or a pickup is indeed your best case scenario. If you can find a Land Rover Defender or an old G-Wagen, I could recommend those. But otherwise, you're fully right.

Don't be an offroad van. Those command stupid pricing nowadays.

Also Nissan didn't do it because everyone they have hired in the past 4 years have been absolutely horrible except for their marketing team. Look at the Juke, Murano, R52, that cube thing... FUCK they used to be so good.

I want the Datsuns back... ):

WE DON'T EVEN GET PATROLS IN NORTH AMERICA

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>>17015989
>That's 15 MPG exactly of mixed drivings
I get 12mpg consistently in my 8L V10 5-speed fullsize tho

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>>17016004
I picked up on the facetious notion, but I had to stand up for a biodystyle I feel is the most versatile for recreational and commercial use. I'd chop my wagon into a dual cab if I had the coin.

>Also Nissan didn't do it because everyone they have hired in the past 4 years have been absolutely horrible except for their marketing team. Look at the Juke, Murano, R52, that cube thing... FUCK they used to be so good.
For a company that was once the staple global 4x4 competitor next to Toyota, it's pretty sad.
On the upside, as an avid Mitsishitti 4x4 nut, it looks as though the Nissan-Renault alliance is looking to base the next Pajero/Montero model off the current Y62 platform. Which is better news than the discontinuation of the fullsize Paj I was expecting...
Just remains to be seen what engine options become available. Fingers crossed for a more modern industrial based diesel to replace the old 4M4x diesel.

On the subject of draws, I've gotta pinch a bit of plywood for my own DIY install.

>>17016012
I get a little under 20 on the highway with my 4.0 ranger if I keep it under 70. City it's more like 14-15 but I have a manual transmission and stock 245/75r16 tires

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>>17015385
Bought the cavalier to clean up a bit and make money, did so, and then when I went to drop it off to the buyer it was hit by a woman and totaled. Ended up making a grand more in insurance than I sold it for. It became the sacrificial lamb that funded an even bigger lift and tires than I had planned.

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>>17016012
I had the same maroon shell you had until I slammed the window into a tree.

If I regear back up to 4.1 or even to 4.5, city driving I could get like 17, 19 MPG. Those 33 inch tyres, under clearance, and 3700lb curb weight is a bit more beneficial for trails
Otherwise I would've gotten something similar.

>>17016026
Holy shit I didn't even pick up on your name. Fuck I'm getting druncc, too..

Anyway, finger crossed for the bronco and see where they're going to go, too. Ferd used to be somewhat palatable, too :^). Ah whale. No sense in mourning the offroaders since the crossover takeover was long overdue...

Are those the ankles of a dinosaur you killed, btw? What do you drive now?

>>17016033
I haven't done a stretch of highway going 90-100km/h before. I think if I stopped going 120-130, I could easily get the highway MPG to around 20 and back to 21 since the gears are better for highway, anyway.

I'm going to sleep now since I can't even open. Night /ORG/. Have a comfy last weekend.

Besides the military, youtubers, and icerolling truckerfags, are there any jobs that pay you to drive a vehicle under 7000 lbs to go offroad?

>>17015198
Absolute garbage mobiles.

>Would you like one made in Spain or Thailand sir?

Like having to decide between losing an arm or a leg

>>17016348
Explain.

>>17016354
Do your own fucking research, these plenty of horror stories out there of engines going bang with very low miles.
I have two 'aquaintances' and a friend that all sold theirs less than 5 years old due to terminal issues...just saying

>>17016389
Ask about a truck and people's experience with them
>DAT ONE IS BAD
Ask why you claim this
>DO UR OWN RESEARCH

lel, garbage busrider opinion discarded.

>>17016403
Not him, but IIRC I think they're known for the transmission cooler cracking inside the radiator causing the transmission fluid and the coolant to mix whick fucks the transmission fast.

>>17016389
>it's bad because I knew someone who had one

ok...

>>17016413
Yea, someone covered that here:
>>17015392

>>17016389
>these plenty of horror stories out there of engines going bang with very low miles.
Frontiers have the VQ40. Basically a very understressed version of the VQ35 and VQ37 from the Z and G and M cars. Also found in pretty much everything from the Altima to the Quest. Also pretty much the same architecture used in the GT-R

These motors are bomb proof. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>17016403
How retarrded are you? Did you read past the first sentance?

>>17016448
Wrong

>>17016418
Three people, maybe i should buy one to too?

henlo, what is a cheap good platform to offroad on

crow is gay

>>17015546
no dust storm

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>>17016741

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OVERLAND FORESTER MASTER RACE

>>17015989
>>17016012

I got 16 MPG combined out of my 3/4 ton 4x4 driving in the mountains with heavy traffic, loaded up with tools and equipment for work.

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>>17016077
A few dinosaur ankles. And still have it.
Unless I was ever lucky enough to get a company supplied LV, I can't see myself ever getting rid of it. It's the "big" 2.8L all mechanical turbo diesel that'll run off a damp oily rag and gets anywhere as long as you're not trying to set a speed record :P The only shortcoming is a short dropside tray would suit me better than an SUV body, but the sum of its parts more than makes up for that.
Can't see any reason it won't see out half a million kilometres, and it's only half way there.

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>>17017424
I have a knucklebone tire carrier from DetoursUSA on the way to toss that spare onto as well. It's taken two months so far to ship but I hope the wait is worth it

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>>17017462

>>17016354
How dare you ask for clarification. You fucking mcdonald's working lowlife failure of a person

>>16995363
Suburbanfags, is a 1500 worth it or should I hold out for a 2500?

>>17017656
They're all great but the 2500 replaces the two weakest links on the 1500 and opens up options for a front locker.

Get a 2500 if you can but don't sweat it if all you can find is 1500s, they're still good.

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>>17016741
You're a fucking nigger.

>>17017625
are you blue xj guy

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>>17017424
why do you have a hilift jack?
i must be missing something

>>17017770
Because it looks like cool off-roadly equipment.

>>17017424
>tactical flashlight holder because putting it in the console or glove isn't tacticool enough

>rear seat folded down just for a hi-lift that you can't even use

>spare tire strapped down in cargo area instead of stock location to make interior appear more utilitarian and less comfort oriented

>it's not even an all terrain

You're trying so hard to create an image, but the only image you're creating is one of a person that cares way too much about what others think of you. Stop trying to use your car to define yourself.

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>>17017770
I've used hilift jacks like 4 times alone offroading in the past two weeks.

>>17017813
No he's wondering why a forester has a highlift jack

>>17017770
>>17017798
This. What are recovery points on a forester even? How do you use hilift jacks on a forester?

>>17017825
You can use a hi lift to pull yourself out when you get stuck, just like a comealong, you fucking noob.

>>17017825
wot. i have recovery points on my front bumper but you can use a tow strap (or even a ratchet hook set) to pull your rear wheels using the hilift jack upwards. I think you can even do that with a trailer hitch if you have the ball on.

>>17017825
thank you
i guess i should've specified what i was asking

>>17017945
why not just use a comealong?
seems like the jack is a bit overkill
BUT to each their own
not bashing just curious
never seen a suby with a hilift

>>17017965
Hi lift is easier to mount neatly, is why I prefer it.

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>>17017965
It depends on your various situations.

I have a winch and my friend has a back mounted winch. But in the pic related when you're balancing on a precarious rock on your skid plate, it's better to jack up the front, put some wood under the front tyre, and drive back off the rock than it is to pull yourself forwards or backwards.

>oops
>pic already uploaded
>here:
>>17015357

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>>17017970
>>17018010
roger that

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>>17015357
>the extra half a metre adding to the breakover angle would make me nervous

tell me about it. 13' of wheelbase is fun

>>17017970
It was laying in the back taking up the entire back seat.

>>17018010
>it's better to jack up the front

He's got a stock plastic bumper. A hi lift would shred it.

>>17018433
Like I said >>17017951, you can use the farm jack to pull up your wheels if you have a strap or something

Anyone who has a cap on their truck needs to die in real life.

>>17018433
I'm not the Subaru guy, was just giving my .02 on hi lift vs comealong.

>>17018553
How else do you camp in the bed?

>>17018499
Or you can buy something that has more than 4" of wheel travel so you're not trying to balance on two opposite wheels any time there's a rock on the trail.

Back to the point of a bunch of tryhard "look at me I'm serious about offroading" equipment to make a Subaru capable of the same trails (albeit taking twice as long) as a stock SUV without any of that equipment.

BUT the stock SUV doesn't scream "look at me I'm serious about offroading"

Like I said, it's about image. It's not about utility, it's about LOOKING like it's about utility.

>>17018578
>camping in the bed

If you want to camp in an open bed, then don't buy a top. If you want to camp in an enclosed cargo area, buy an SUV. They're harder to break into, sealed better, insulated better, and have a better cargo area to wheelbase ratio.

>>17018592
My apologies for not adhering to your rules of life, anon

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>>17017798
Okay Dr. House wannabe, lets go over he reasons why you're a retard real quick.
>flashlight
The reason why I keep the flashlight and punches there is because I go camping weekendly, sleep in the vehicle with my head against the back window, and like having easy access to my flashlight, water, snacks and misc other things at night.
>seat down for farm jack
You can clearly see my farm jack mounted on my roof rack here >>17017462 it was just down for the photo, and the seats are down so the dogger has more room to walk around.
I currently have a winch kit, a lift mate, and a jack mate on the way which all have uses for my vehicle until I invest in an exhaust jack.
>spare tire not in stock location
The car came with tires too large for the stock lovation. If you read >>>17017462 you would know that I have a tire carrier on the way as well to move the tire to the outside of the vehicle so that I don't have to fuck with it while camping and so the dogger has more room to move around.

The only thing I can give you is bitching that the tires aren't ATs, and even that is because I'm saving up for them.
Kys

>>17018788
No need to apologize. It's you that's suffering, not me.

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>>17017770 because it was $30 without tax at my local pawn shop and for the reasons listed in >>17018789

>>17018789
>I'm doing it for utility, not appearance
>It was just for the picture!

You can't make this shit up.

>>17018812
>merely pretending to be blind

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>>17017770
>>17017825
>>17017777
Lift mate my niggas.

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>>17019044
Also the jack mate, along with the winch kit like >>17017945 was saying

>>17019044
Looks like a fantastic way to ruin a rim.

>>17018789
This is a very /k/ line of thinking. Are you from /k/?

>>17018801
>$30 hilift
fuck yeah
that alone is a reason to buy even if you have fucking golf cart

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ANY SUBY THATS WANT TO GO PLAY ON SOME TRAILS IS BETTER THAN THE SUBY STANCE FAGGOTS
kudos to the subyguy
LIFT IT MANG

>>17019078 #
*shrug* ratherfuck a rim than be stranded in the mountains
>>17019082 #
Been on there since '11, just got into /o/ about a year ago
>>17019126 #
You fucking know it, the last straw was when I was trailing with a jeep buddy of mine and the nigger knocked a rock into the middle of the trail that punched a good sized hole in my floor pan. I can get some pics this afternoon when I get off work

>>17019044
>lift mate
>cheapo alloy wheels
100% chance of fucking your wheel and losing a bead. You'll be rolling on the spare the rest of the trip so you'd better hope you don't get stuck again.

>>17019056
>tearing your door open
>useful for getting unstuck

Fucking hell this is pathetic. Just admit you have no use for the hi lift and just bought all of the tacticool accessories you could find for it.

If your plan is to not get stuck in the first place, sell the Subaru and buy an SUV and lockers.
If your plan is to get out when you do get stuck and you insist on using the vehicle that will get you stuck, then build a winch bumper and buy a winch.

Why are you so fucking backwards with your logic?

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>>17018601
or, alternatively, I can camp in the bed of my truck that has a topper on it and you can worry less about things other people do that don't affect you.

>>17019403
You can be a retard all you like and I can call you a retard for doing retarded things all I like.

I'm not disallowing you, simply pointing out that it's fucking retarded. You were just whining about your wheelbase.

>waaa this sucks
>hey man, easy fix for that here
>fuck off I do what I want you can't control me don't worry about things that don't affect you it's none of your business logicfag

Fucking fordfags.

>>17019217
dude
the exact same thing happened to me and my buddy
he punctured his pan going over a rock that he said my jeep moved
jerry?

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>>17016722
HELLO PLS RESPOND

>>17019550
Suburban.

>>17017424
>>17017464

lmao.

lmao lmao lmao

Good god you are such a fucking poser. You're like those girls who buy a pair of pink DCs and then hang out in the corner of the skatepark hoping someone will talk to them.

Sort your life out you pathetic tryhard sack of shit.

>>17019571
So... he wants one of the ORG guys to fuck him?

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>>17019571
why so mad mang
dude just wants to wheel his suby
we shouldn't be such elitists here

>>17019467
I wasn't whining about it. It's challenging but it's fun. You go ahead and find me a new SUV that I can fit motorcycles in the back of and I'll certainly consider trading.

Also,
>projecting

>>17019622
Are you shitting me? This circlejerk thread lives for elitism.

And he doesn't want to wheel his suby. He wants to look like he does. Learn the difference. It could save your life.

>>17019665
how many beers deep are you senpai

>>17019564
Sorry, I should've added. Something with a wheelbase less than 3 metres.

>>17018601
>and have a better cargo area to wheelbase ratio
Gonna need a citation on that claim.

>>17019753
>metres

Are the same 3rd world moron from two threads ago?

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>>17019772
It's pretty simple geometry.

>>17019777
>3rd world
Nope, that'd be somewhere that uses made up metrics based on tripe like a "foot" or "one twelfth of a fraction of".
Again, something less than three metres please.

>>17019811
Not him.... But you count the back seat as "storage space" on the suv, but not the truck?

>>17019811
>length is the only geometrical measurement
That geometry isn't as simple as you are.

>>17019811
What about ceiling on the Suv, and no ceiling on the truck?

Theoretically a truck could stack higher and wider than what you could.

>>17019840
This.
EVEN taking a bed cap into account, the bed space with a styleside is more accommodating than the rear of an SUV.
Also worth noting the bedcap still allows access from all sides, thats before taking into account it's removable.

>>17019820
Seat folds flat in the SUV, allowing the entire area to be used as a continuous bed. There's nothing you can do about the wall between the backseat and bed unless you buy an Avalance or ESV.

>>17019840
You can in theory stack higher in the truck, but securing it is more difficult and more important since it's no longer enclosed. Not really any wider you can go with a truck bed unless you're just moving shit around a farm, in which case you probably want the cargo area separate and easy to clean anyway.

>>17019564
I don't like suburbans

>>17019753
I am not this faggot

>>17019930
just because it's not a continuous 8' doesn't mean it can't be used as storage.

>>17019974
2 door Tahoe/Yukon.

There's plenty of options that good or cheap, but not many that are good and cheap.

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>>17019387
>shit I am a retard
>everything I said was horse shit
>fuck what I gonna do
>hol up
>I have an idea
>holy shot this is a good idea
>I'm a fucking genious
>guys I'm
>guys in gonna
>guys I'm gonna fixate on the hi-lift so you forget I'm wrong about literally everything else

>he thinks I wheel alone
>he doesn't think I keep the jack mate around in case I have to jack a m8
>he doesn't know I got the idea for the lift mate from the forester forums where this is common place
>He doesn't know I'm looking into an set of off-road bumpers for my foz that come equipped with jack points
>he ignores the fact I'm getting the winch kit in case I need to use it as a come along
I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or an actual idiot, but I will assume the ladder because this is fun. Regardless, the world would truly be better off if you stroked out at this very moment in time

>>17019983
Rear seat doesn't fold flat in a lot a crew cabs and in most extended cabs. You can't really compare a 4x8 flat stable surface to putting something in on the back seat and hoping it doesn't roll into the floor when you hit the brakes.

Back seat is fine for groceries, but if that's all you've got, then you don't really need to be in this discussion since you're never going to use that much space anyway.

If you want a put a couch, bed, desk, skid of anything, floor planks, 2xs, etc into your cargo area then the continuous cargo space is the only thing that matters.

>>17020026
... but what if you need to remove that wheel?

>>17019930
>but securing it is more difficult
It isn't, it's usually easier.
>and more important since it's no longer enclosed
That's bullshit. If anything it's more important to secure a load within the same space in which your body is sharing it.
And truck beds are indeed wider and less obscured by interior trim.

>>17020026
We both know you don't use the jackmate when you jack your mates.

>>17019571
The trasharoo is for my upcoming road trip, gotta maximize that firewood I'm gonna be hauling from campground to campground dawg
>>17019609
I'm down if you're down ;^)

>>17020046
I use the jack mate to jack my mates, when a bro's gotta be jacked a bro's gotta be jacked, bro

>>17020026
Just curious, why exactly is the wheel jacked in this photo?

>>17020040
I'm looking into exhaust jacks, or an actual off road bumpers with jack points on them. I mentioned both of these already.

>>17020038
>>17019811
If your sole qualifier is cargo length, why are we not comparing a regular cab?

>>17020038
>the only thing people ever move are 4x8 sheets of plywood

I can fold my rear seats up and fit in a full size dog crate with two dogs in it while comfortably sitting a person on the other side of the rear seat, and fit four full suspension mountain bikes and a shitload of gear in the bed even with a topper on. I have had to transport 4x8 sheets of wood exactly zero times in my life. so it works out great for me. but I appreciate your concern.

>>17020026
Wow that's some sick wheeling you're doing in your driveway your brain dead hick.

>>17020055
I assume to prove that it works or the owner is practicing with it