Discuss Pontiac and things relating to Pontiac.

>>16993898
It was discontinued.

They made some cool cars but many were shit. Bonneville was their best model.

>>16993922
Fiero*

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>>16993922
>Bonneville
That's a weird way to spell Fiero.

>>16993898
>Poor Old Nigger Thinks Its A Cadillac

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>>16993898
Why in the fuck did they allow the front seats to suck so badly for people in the back. The handle on the side that you pull to adjust the angle of the seat can't be used to free the rear seats from their imprisonment.

When they literally became just Chevrolet with a different badge instead of altering any aspects of the car, they lost it to me. Yeah, the Trans Am was a fully developed brand by the point it was killed, but it became the same as the Camaro at the end and most people realized that. The Aztec had no real look-alikes on the Chevrolet side, but it was so ugly no one would really want one. The Sunfire had the looks to work, but why buy the Pontiac version when the Chevrolet one was like $1000 cheaper I think. The Bonneville and Grand Prix had great upper trims, but their lower trims are absurdly bad. Even the upper trims suffered from the 90s GM plastic interiors, because they'd be damned if anything competed with Cadillac or Buick.

Just my ramblings, nothing more. Love my car though, despite it's faults.

>>16994031
Lovin those tires. Gonna do the same thing when I finally snag a turd gen

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>>16994097
Not everyone loves them, I enjoy the character it adds to the car, but hate that it does rub when I add weight to the car (a passenger). New tires just got ordered and will be here on Thurs, with new stock wheels. I'll agree the wheels are a bit of a downgrade, but they were cheap for the condition they're in and why not go back to stock?

Poor
Old
Nigga
Thinks
Its
A
Cadillac

>>16993941
>>16994165
>Original Content

>>16994124
I actually kinda like the stock wheels on the early 4th gens. Almost bought a 94 formula a year ago but it was trashed. Interior was completely fucked, trans was leaking, holes rusted through the floorboards, the works.

>>16994031
everyone forgots about grand ams :(

>>16994192
Grand ams were eclipsed by the grand prix, especially the gtp. If they had stuck a 3800sc in the grand am, it would have been a huge success.

>>16994192
Because the Monte Carlo and Grand Prix were more exciting, the Grand Am is useful for me (Blue Firebird owner above) just because I can take parts from it to -SLIGHTLY- up my engine's performance.

>>16994208
What did the grand am have that was better than the v6 firebird?

>>16993898
Why do so many poor people drive Pontiacs?

>>16994208
Father daily drives a 2001 Grand Am GT and when I was a kid I thought it was the bee's knees.

>>16994224
Why do you think? Cause they're cheap. Besides the crappy gm interiors, there's some nice ones with a lot to offer for performance

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>>16994202
>If they had stuck a 3800sc in the grand am,
no. bad anon, bad!
The 3800 is shit

>>16994216
The 3.4L L36 in the Firebird and the 3400 in the Grand Am are not the same. The cylinder heads in the 3400 are much less restrictive and slot in fairly easily. The cams can also be swapped, though I've yet to see anyone receive any performance from doing this.

Grand Am's 3400: 185hp, 210lb/ft
Firebird 3.4L V6: 160hp, 200lb/ft
Some daring people will take the supercharger from other engines and put in on there after swapping the heads to get to I think ~230hp.

I had a 1993 Grand Prix. It was fun, but a piece of shit, no less.

>>16994245
Of course, all of that is for pre-1997 Firebirds, like mine. The 3800 V6 that came later is better than the 3400 from the Grand Am in every way.

>>16994245
>3.4L L36
this does not exist

>>16994245
Grand Am's 3.4 V6 makes 175

>>16994257
>The 3800 V6 that came later is better than the 3400 from the Grand Am in every way.
no. It really isn't

>>16994265
185 with the optional Ram Air intake

>>16993898
Got a 1990 305 TPI Firebird Formula 5 speed manual that has a tendency to not start. AMA.

I'm thinking of getting a 97-08 grand Prix as a daily driver. What should I know about them?

>>16994245
Huh, didn't realize they used the 3.4 in the old 4th gen v6s. Thought they all had 3800s. If you've still got the original motor I bet you could pop a 3800 in there without too much work when it dies

>>16994269
Dang, I've been selling my car short 10hp then.

>>16994224
>>16994233
Cheap and easy to repair because Chevrolet parts work on them when something breaks (USUALLY, NOT ALL THE TIME I KNOW).

>>16994263
Shit, L32

>>16994265
I went with the Aztec's power because I thought they were the same, oh well. The fact that the heads flow better is still true.

>>16994272
Pics?

>>16994274
GTP? What engine?

>>16994280
If I'm not mistaken, it's based on the 3.1L from the 3rd gens but a little bit better.

>>16994280
This a common swap on GAGT forums

>>16994274
You definitely want one of the 04+ ones. Way less problems, stronger transmission too. The transmission is the weak point in the grand prix

>>16994297
Will add to this, if you're getting the V6, try for the SC version. You don't HAVE to get the V8, but try for the added fun and power of the SC at least.

>>16994296
I figured it would be
>>16994272
What do you like/dislike about it?

Thinking of buying a Fiero anyone got an advice on what to look out for?

>>16994274
The 3800 is trash but reliable.
automatic transmissions commonly fail.

>>16994280
1993-1995 got the 3.4L. They switched to the 3800 in mid-1995 so early 95's had the 3.4 and later ones had the 3.8

>>16994280
>I bet you could pop a 3800 in there without too much work when it dies
nope. WAY hard. The 3800 is completely unrelated, sharing only the transmission bolt pattern, so custom mounts would be required, if not a complete custom sub-frame. The wider angle of the 3800 also makes fitting it in there a pain in the ass.

>>16994309
Yeah you want the supercharged 3800 for sure

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>>16994294
Here ya go, chum.

>>16994314
but it is possible.

>>16994320
this is one sexy slut

>>16994310
It's a little floaty on the highway sometimes, but it's fun. I main a YJ Wrangler, so it's fun to shift gears to a GT from a SUV. It's a project car so there's tons of stuff I still need to do to it to get it up to snuff. First: get the damn starter bug figured out so I can get it to the smog station. Spark plugs are a bitch to take out.

>>16994320
Keep those wheels son. Absolute love third gen wheels
>>16994314
Huh I thought for sure it'd fit. Oh well

>>16994333
I'm blessed that I got it in as good of condition as it is. Upkeep is hard, yo.

>>16994335
It's nice man. I bet the highway problem would be easy to fix with a fresh set of struts. Is it really that hard to work on the engine? I know the LS f bodies are a nightmare cause it's crammed way in there

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>>16994224
Mostly true... but at the same time, look at values for the Solstice and G8 GXP. Basically zero deals. And that Solstice coupe? Forget about it. Wish I'd bought one.

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Reminder that Hulk Hogan bodyslammed Andre the Giant at the PONTIAC Silverdome.

GM, I can never forgive.

>>16994364
Difficult is relative. Compared to my YJ with a 2.5L 4 banger, there's not a lot of room to work on the 305. I'm sure if I compared the Firebird to a modern M3, the screaming chicken would be a breeze to work on because 'Merrica.

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OK. since you morons seem to want to circlejerk over the 3800, allow me to enlighten you.
The 3800, from a design standpoint, is trash and the only reason anyone ever remembers them is for the forced induction variants.
The 3400 used in the Grand Am is a superior engine.
The 3400 has:
>A 60* V angle. This makes it perfectly balanced internally and as such, does not require a balance shaft like the 3800.
>a better firing order. The 3400 uses the same 1-2-3-4-5-6 firing order of Nissan's VQ V6's and the Nissan GTR's VR V6 engine. As such they sound sexy with an exhaust. The firing order on the 3800 was a band-aid to sooth a rough running engine so it sounds like shit no matter what.
>The 3400 and its siblings were designed as V6's from scratch. The 3800 is LITERALLY a Buick V8 with 2 cylinders chopped off.
>Aluminum heads and splayed valves. While you can get aluminum heads aftermarket for the 3800, they won't have splayed valves and they won't flow as well as the 3400's
>in fact, the 2.8/3.1/3100/3400/3.4/3.4 DOHC/3500/3900 are better at making power per their displacement than the 3800.
To illustrate, the 3900 was only .1L larger than the 3800, naturally aspirated, and matched the supercharged 3800 for horsepower.

The 3800 is shit and I wish the 3800 meme would die. The only reason it was in production so long was because it was reliable and was dirt cheap to make, even cheaper than the 60* V6's.

>>16994403
>The only reason it was in production so long was because it was reliable and was dirt cheap to make, even cheaper than the 60* V6's.
Wow, imagine that. GM wanted a cheap, reliable engine for their econoboxes

>>16994426
and yet morons praise the thing as a performance engine like it's the second coming of Buddha or something.

>>16994403
<3 for noting the fact that the 3.4, 3.4 DOHC, and 3400 are NOT the fucking same.

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>>16994441
I know they're not the same. I have a DOHC variant.

>>16994433
Because the 3800SC can be found already sitting in many cheap cars and can be miked for 300+whp for very cheap. That's the whole point of using it for performance-it's incredibly cheap. Buy a gtp for 3k, put another 3k in it and bam, you've got a 12 second car for 6k

>>16994452
It blows people minds on random forums and local greets when I try to explain that no, they're not the fucking same.

>>16994403
>>16994433
Because 200hp is good enough for most people, and supercharging the thing can get you to 260, which most view as either "enough" or a lot. It's also really cheap and easy to get there, whereas getting there with my 3.4L L32 would cost a lot more and require more know-how than most have.

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>>16994464
>Buy a gtp for 3k, put another 3k in it and bam, you've got a 12 second car for 6k
or you could buy a turbo Dodge for $800, dump 3k into it and have a 12 second car.
I'm a GM whore but performance per dollar, there are better deals.

>>16994241
>weebs love reliability of a civic
>hate reliability of gm
Go figure

>>16994476
Sure, but you have to admit having a 12 second car for 5-6k with very little work needed isn't exactly terrible

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>>16994493
>implying
Nigger, I love GM. I have only ever had GM cars and I am one of the biggest GM shills here.
The 3800 is shit.
Get
the
fuck
over
it

>>16994523
I never said it was a performance engine.

Not a lot of engines that can last 10k on an oil change at 200k.

>>16994523
Lol what's shit about it? The fact that it'll last longer than your 600lb lard ass?

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They built excitement.

>>16994541
>Lol what's shit about it?
see:
>>16994403
>iron block/iron heads
>90* V angle
>balance shaft
>shit head flow, even on supercharged models
>shit firing order
>shit at power production
>needing a blower to make 240 HP while having 3.8L of displacement to use
Even Hyundai has made better V6's.

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>>16994593
That's not a Banshee. Get the fuck outta here with that shit.

>>16994579
>muh vee angle
>muh firing order
>muh horse powers
The whole point of the 3800 is to be cheap and reliable, which it does excellently

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>>16994403
So the 3400/3.4 should be the Engine i fap to? fine with me. i also use to meme the 3800 but i can change my mind when expose to new information.

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>>16994608
As an owner of the DOHC 3.4, I wouldn't recommend fapping to the DOHC variant there. It's an absolute pain the the fucking ass to do anything on.
Want to change the alternator?
Better have 8 hours to spare
>timing belt AND a timing chain
just wtf. I LOVE how the thing sounds but holy shit is it an oddball. Apparently it's easier to work on in the Fiero because it was designed for the canceled second generation Fiero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCyGSpJCOKI

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>>16994605
God I still wish the firebird took that direction sometimes, but im ok with what we got.
>>16994523
hello fellow shill

>>16994658
Aren't late model turd gens based off the banshee?

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>>16994658
>hello fellow shill

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>>16994319 >>16994269 >>16994523

3.8 master race here, I can't believe I am relevant for once. Ultimate reliability...after you replace the intake manifold gasket anyways.

>>16994677
They were given a facelift to resemble the Banshee 4 concept car, but the Banshee itself never made production. Pontiac kept pushing it, but GM kept killing it because
>muh Corvette

Anybody remember the Pontiac 6000? Can't find those anywhere anymore.

>>16994688
Think I've seen this one around a couple times. Done any mods?

>>16994688
Oh look. The Trash man has arrived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JK0CL7bHbII

>>16993922
You misspelled '59 sport fury

>>16994714
wrong company

>>16994714
Huh, that's not how you spell Montana

>>16994708
>Done any mods?
a few :^)

>>16994732
Were they simple though? Please, elaborate

>>16994708
No mods, but since it needed a new intake manifold gasket when I bought it I went ahead and changed the head gaskets and everything above them for "fun". Engine has 145k miles. It already had slotted/drilled rotors and corvette(probably fake) wheels when I bought it.

>>16994761
Did the 3800 in these have a manual tranny? I'm guessing not

>>16994795
Came auto or manual. Manual is the T5 5 speed, not the nicer T56 6 speed the Trans Am came with.

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>>16994365
The Solstice is a classic.

>>16994702
>tfw the banshee would've saved pontiac from going bottom up if it went into production.
In all seriousness though, fuck gm. They were so worried about their precious vette getting btfo yet the brand new zl1's are making almost the same power despite being pigfat lolcan'tturn.

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The WS6 Trans Am is my favorite car and I hope to own one one day.

Were the G-body and H-body full-size cars comfy?

Looking for an inexpensive, fuel-efficient (if possible - ~25 MPG highway), highway cruiser. I might have to settle on an LS400, or something BOF like a Roadmaster or Panther-body if need be.

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My Grand Prix was an amazing car when it was working. Shame the trans crapped out on it (was leaking trans fluid somehow; probably just all dumped out) when we were driving, no warning or anything..just fucking stopped accelerating in traffic, could of died too.

>>16996407
It's a shame the transmissions in these were so weak. The engines were so reliable, if it weren't for the trans they'd have lasted forever

>>16994836
Obama killed the Corvette non-competition rule back when GM got the bailout. The reasoning was why handicap yourself and your engineers.
Since the bailout, we've had Camaros that were faster than Corvettes so GM isn't worried about it anymore.

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>>16996949
The bailout was a shitty deal in general, there was a bunch of companies poised to buy out GM that would of made it much better. But Obummer bailed it out and screwed all the salary workers out of their retirements. \
Fuck the bailout and fuck the UAW

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Super sweet Pontiac thread.

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Getting my fiero GT painted this summer. Help me decide what I should do.

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>>16998059
Do it in blue with white stripes offset to the drivers side, and have the wheels done in either blue, white, silver or black.

Back before sponsorships affected racecar paintjobs, racecars were painted to reflect that nation's racing colors. That's why British Racing Green is a thing. America's racing colors were blue with white stripes or white with blue stripes.

>>16993898
the firebird was a faster camaro

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>>16998092
and here's what I mean by offset stripes.

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>>16998101
No. The Firebird was a better looking Camaro.

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Wow. I'm actually relevant now

>>16998480
>3800
trash

>>16995543
get the firehawk

>>16998490
So what? At least I have a car, unlike you
(Plus I own a second bird)

>>16998499
>goes immediately on the defensive
The Firebird itself is a great car. But the 3.8 is trash

And I also have 2 cars btw.

>>16998513
I honestly don't mind the 3800. I mean. It runs fine (except the original owner never replaced the fucking tiny ass radiator among other issues) but shit, it's good when it works

>>16998527
Sure the 3800 is reliable, but if you wanted power, you're better off with something else. Hell, the previous 2.8/3.1/3.4 are better for making power than the 3800

https://corpuschristi.craigslist.org/cto/6038254596.html

I drive a grand am. about to hit 175k miles

>>16994313
old dudes trying to sell it for any more than 3500

>>16998594
Since I got the engine out of the car, may as well put new cams and shit on it right?

I had a fiero. It was easily the worst car I have ever owned in my life.

My mother still owns a 2004 grand prix and it hasn't caused too much trouble - just an alternator, wheels (they leaked), window regulator and HUD... but she takes super good care of it and I don't even think it has 40k miles yet.

>>16998803
>cams
cam. There's only one.

>>16998813
>It was easily the worst car I have ever owned in my life
What was so bad about it?

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>people praising the fiero itt.

I'm actually speechless, I thought I was in the minority. My Fiero is my first and only car and I've had it for almost 7 years, I always get shit on for driving it. Pic related, his name is Fred because, it's a Fiero that is red.

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>>16994202
reportan
>>16994224
because they're cheap, easy, zippy and look cool.
>tfw there's another black gtp and a black gt in your shared garage but yours has a bigger spoiler and rare badge

>>17000455
>rare badge
Comp G?

>>17000259
Really? Never heard someone shit on the fiero

>>17000526
The only people who shit on the fiero are mr2 shills who parrot everything they read online and don't know what they're talking about.

>>17000506
yeah apparently. didn't know it was "rare" until people started to comment on it.

>>17000546
Done anything with it? Cam?

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>>17000546
I know of a badge that's even more rare on FWD Grand Prix's

>>17000574
be my wop bf pls

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>>17000574
Better than the 3800
BEHOLD THE LG5! Only produced from 1989-1990. It was replaced in 1991 by the 3.4 DOHC.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uAQmjIY_bA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqFcl_7y9XQ

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>>16994269
>3800 V6 better than 3400 in every way
>no. It really isn't

>>17000618
>implying the 3800 doesn't have the same problem

>>17000676
>implying it does

>>17000694
I know it has the same issue. I've done that job quite a few times.

>>17000712
Well I haven't. Which one of us is right? Not you hahaha

>>17000732
All GM V6's have that issue with the intake gaskets.

Why are all the firebirds in my area for like $12k??

>>17000783
because boomers.

>>17000783
Which gen?

>>17000805
Fug :DD

>>17000812
Third gen

>>17000837
Third gen? Maybe mint they're 12k but even here in DC they're like 3-6k in decent condition

>>17000837
>Third gen
Not sure about you, but I on occasion see them for under a grand here, though they're usually between 2k and 4k here.

Although there's a really cool KITT replica on my local CL for 11.5k
https://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/6071669846.html

>>17000864
>https://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/6071669846.html
Not worth the money because they didnt finish the build
\only 3rd get worth over 10k is the turbo Buick 89 pace cars.

>>17000843
The cheapest third gen I've seen here in south/central jersey is $7k with 140k miles.

>>17000864
>usually between 2k and 4k

I am extremely envious

>>17000882
The turbo buick ones are overrated imo

classic Pontiac muscle cars didn't have big blocks, all V8 displacements used the same size block.

>>17000889
>$7k
Jesus. That's cheap ls1 4th gen territory

>>17000882
>\only 3rd get worth over 10k is the turbo Buick 89 pace cars.
There's 2 1LE Trans Ams in my area going for $25k

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>>17000259
Fieros are love.
Fieros are life.

>>16993898
All these posts
not one mention of the GOAT

>>17001563
because it's over-rated boomer shit.

>>17001563
GTO ?

>>17001599
Goat is an old nicknamed for the GTO by boomers. Apparently named because it drank gas like goats eat... well... everything

>>17000259
V8 or 3800 s.c. swap and blow everyone away

>>17000609
Always wanted a gran prix coupe bandit tribute

>>17001737
>3800
I thought we already established the 3800 is shit. Reread this fucking thread. If anything, an LX9 turbo build would be better

thats gay

>>16993922
>>16993927
Trans am*

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>>17001783
That's an odd spelling of Fiero.

>>17000564
nah not yet but it needs quite a bit of work in general, gonna start working on it in the coming weeks.

Also, i want to replace my old rear deck speaker grilles with new ones do i really need to take the whole back seat out or can i pry them out as they're already broken?

>>17000540
I also live in an area where everyone either has a truck or some derivative of a truck.

>>16998059
Same white and gold

>>16995679
Any insights, please?

>>17004923
I wouldn't call them fuel efficient by any stretch unless you spend the money to put in a modern drivetrain.

>>16994688
Almost melted my fucking heads when that shit blew.

I had to limp (my car) to a gas station 15 miles away since there was no fucking cell reception. It took two hours, and then I had to wait for the tow.

>>17000762
>>17000732
NIgga, that shit happened to me.

It happens so much because the rubber drys the fuck out, almost all the rubber touching the outside air is cracked and falling off.

>they want $74 for a new fucking seal for the top of the door

>>16994403
please be bait

The 3400 is good on paper. As in a good paper weight.

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>>17007451
not bait. I'm not saying the 60* series is the end all of V6's, but it's certainly the best pushrod V6 GM ever made.
Now worship your lord and master.

>>17007585
Having the badluck on working on both engines I can't vouch the 60' is all that superior to the 90'. Both engines are good but the 60' is extremely sensible to maintenance.

I'm pretty sure the Equ!nox tree incident happened in (or very near) Pontiac, MI.

>>16998480
i'm more interested in that thunderbird, got any more pics of it?

>>17007645
Nah, Southfield/Farmington Hills.

>>17007914
Maybe I do, I'll have to get home since I'm at work

>>16998107
inaccurate

>>17007585
>3400
>best GM v6
Stop forcing shit memes.

>>17010305
the only shit here is the 3800.
Never said it was the best V6. Stop putting words in my mouth. I said it's the best PUSHROD V6 GM made.
The High Feature DOHC V6's are the best V6 overall that GM has ever made

>>17010328
This is correct

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>>16994320
Will trade you rims; everyone I've seen usually has the shitty 16's with the big-ass 245s on them for whatever reason.

The Pontiac stamped rims were the GOAT rims, IMO. Have to settle for the second type of KITT turbo-finned rims though right now.

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>>16994554
Indeed. Want to get that as a decal for my '84.

>>17010697
That shit is a e s t h e t i c as fuck

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>>16994703
They were pretty sexy. Never knew they had a wagon variant though.

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>>17010711
It was actually an accident that I made that one when I did. Was messing around with some color schemes and that one just stuck.

Not sure if I'd slap it on my black and gold T/A, so I made this one as well. I like the oceanic one better. Fits better with the 80s vibe.

>>17010716
there was also a short lived AWD variant. Super rare now.

>>17010726
The gold one would be better suited for a Black and Gold T/A, but the oceanic one would be more at home on a Fiero

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>>17010733
There's a lot of cars I wish I'd see roll through my shop every once in a while. Got a nice little bucket list filled with AMC / Old Pontiac models I'd like to take for a spin.

I bet it is, couldn't imagine seeing one of them in person now. IIRC, I've only ever seen 2-3 6000s ever.

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>>17010737
If I ever get around to getting the 84' re-painted, I want to change the black/gold to this color scheme.

I fell in love with the car, but once I saw one with these colors in person, I knew I had to have one like it. Not sure how It'd look with the saddle colored interior though.

>>17010759
The saddle as in tan or darker? If tan I think it would be fine with a two tone blue and silver like in your pic considering tan interior goes with both blue exterior and silver exterior very well

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>>17010759
The light tan. Don't mind the seats; this is a pretty old picture.

>>17010836
>>17010865

Derp; just fuck my shit up senpai.

>>17010759
Fucking love turd gens in this color

>>17010865
>those seats
Jesus dude, but yeah that color scheme will go good with that color interior

>>17010865
Think it's time for new seats

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>>17010878
>>17010885
Bought it with those seats in it. Was able to find some cheap seat covers that actually matched the saddle interior scheme, so it looks a lot better.

IIRC, it was a WY6 package with the Recaro power seats. Been thinking about swapping something else into it, but not sure what could match the Recaros in terms of functionality.

>tfw only Pontiac gave drivers crotch bolsters on their seats.

>>17010917
why not get aftermarket rails and aftermarket recaros? You could have them reupholstered to match as well.

>>17010952
And I'm sure you could rig them up to be powered like the originals were. I think the originals are too thrashed to used and looking for replacements would be nigh-on impossible.

>>17010987
I've heard lots of people put 4th gen seats in without modifications

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>>17011044
but they wouldn't be recaros

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>>17010987
>>17010952

Was thinking about going that route, but I do like the Recaros, even if for whatever reason, the passenger isn't powered. If I could find a turd-gen manual track at the P&Ps usually hit up, I'd be alright, but both types of third gens are pretty rare down here in the south to find in yards.

Plus, usually when they get into the yards, they're usually stripped out in a day or two. Makes life miserable when you need specific shit you can't buy new or re-manufactured nowadays.

>>17011057
aftermarket.
http://wedgebrackets.com/pontiac-firebird-82-92-seat-brackets.html

>>17010865
>GM "quality" control

>>17011075
Hey, you're a pretty savvy guy. Definitely better than I am, for sure. Thanks matey.

>>17011097
Aside from the thrashed seats, the rest of the interior is pretty mint, barring the missing visors and missing headliner. It needs some work on the drivetrain and exterior, but nothing too surprising for a 33 year old car.

I can only say that I'm thankful I bought it from a guy who has had many of these; with this one being one he's owned since the early 90s.

If the 350 shits the bed in the near future, I'll probably look into getting my hands on a 301 to put into it, since it's got the power-bulge hood to clear the air cleaner on the carb. I've read a few stories on guys swapping in 400's into these, but never a 301. Would be pretty neat, I think.

>>17011159
>Hey, you're a pretty savvy guy. Definitely better than I am, for sure. Thanks matey.
And here. They're a lot more recent than what's in the car, but they're Recaros. Recaros are expensive but worth the price.
https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-338964-recaro-sportster-cs-sport-seat/?pdk=AQECAQ

>>17011159
It's got a 350? Thought only 87+ ones had em. I plan on getting one with a 350 and just running nitrous till it blows. Then probably going with a 400 or 455. I think there's a guy on YouTube with a 301. Or it might've been a 351, I forget

>>17011211
>Then probably going with a 400 or 455
why? Just get a 302 SBC and rev that fucker to the moon. Cubic inches aren't everything.

>>17011218
I'd rather put a Pontiac in it desu. And I just love the way a 400 sounds with a good cam Screamers are sick as hell, don't get me wrong.

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>>17011211
Originally came with the H.O 305 in it, but the original owners kid got a hold of it and BTFO the motor. Guy I bought it from bought a new 79 C10 block from GM and put it inside when he worked at the GMC/Buick/Pontiac dealer we used to work for. Did well for a while, but in the 20 years he had it, he only ever put about 9000 miles on it.

Was sitting around his place for about 5 years before I got it, so naturally, the thing ran like complete ass. Did a lot of overhaulin' so now it will actually run fairly decent, but it's still got it's issues to sort out.

I'll have to see if I can find videos of the 301. Everyone dumps on those motors, but I had a buddy who drove a '79 in highschool with one in his old man's Sundance Yellow chicken. Moved that huge heap of crap well enough that it could stand up to the light duty I'd put it through.

>>17011270
I think the guy's channel was ramblingaround or something like that

>>16994241
Except the 3800 won't need a $500 timing job ever.

>>17008036
Is that... is that you, equ!?

>>17011314
I have never heard of one of the pushrod 60*'s needing a timing job.
The 3.4 DOHC though, yea. I lived through it.
And no.
The 3.4 DOHC, 3.4 SFI, and the 3400 are NOT the same although they are in the same family with virtually identical blocks

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>>16998092
>>16998102
I do like this a lot, especially the dark blue.

>>17003746
I was thinking this as well since it would match the interior nicely.

I can't take my mind off of the red+gold combo because it looks so damn good...(pic related)

>>17011642
Tan interiors go well with blue. You can still get that combo in a lot of new cars.

>>17011205
>no price
>product no longer available

>>17011730
Scroll down and you'll see the price. They're like $1500 per seat Doesn't matter where you go. That's the going rate for new Recaro seats

>>17011356
Nah, just a creep with a good memory. Used to live right up the road from where he obliterated his shit.

>>17011248
>love the way a 400 sounds with a good cam

Can confirm, shit's nasty. Shilling my own OC.

>>>/wsg/1639238

You faggots don't know nothin' about Chief Pontiac.

Rope Drives, 326 screamer small blocks, 455H.O. Firebirds, Pontiac was GMs third best division.

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>>17014802
>You faggots don't know nothin' about Chief Pontiac.
>326 screamer small blocks
>small block Pontiac

Please inform me how little I know about Pontiac after you have said this with a straight face.

All iterations of the 3400 are shit

>>17014867
no. But your opinions are.

>>17014878
Why do you shill the 3400 so much? Is it buyer remorse?

>>17014799
That prison logic one holy shit

>>17014802
>Pontiac
>small blocks
No

>>17014799
Hnnnng what year

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The greatest Pontiac?

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>>17010697
>>17010726
Great ads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgQMIaF-PRo

>>17014955
I don't shill the 3400 for the sake of shilling the 3400.
I do it because the 3800 gets too much attention when it is a shit design and a shit platform for making power. I've owned a L67 car. I've also owned a 3.4 car. Guess which one I no longer have? The 3800 gets all the attention because it came supercharged. Guess what? At the same displacement, the 60* V6's make as much power as the supercharged 3800. They are better platforms for making power. Tear them apart and you easily see the 60* V6's are much more advanced. There are features in that engines design that are a rarity among pushrod engines in general.
I may only be one voice, but Showing people a better engine platform for their 90s and early 2000s GM V6 projects is a goal of mine. If said goal helps bring more aftermarket support to the 60* V6's, then so be it.

Milzy Motorsports and WOT-Tech have recently been releasing new parts so there is significant aftermarket support for them, and it is growing. The 3800 market has been stagnant and is slowly shrinking. The only thing the 3800 has over the 60* V6's is factory boost.

>>17015056
This
They're just a better engine design in general and make power from boost more efficiently by far
Oh, and they don't sound like a rat's ass when the gas pedal is stomped

>>17015044
saw a clean brown 1980 6.6l trans an at my work's parking lot today.
with the niggest wheels one could find, I felt bad for it

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>>17015027
'68

>>17015308
Fucking hot

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>>16993933
That's a weird way to spell Sunbird.

>>17015056
You made my night anon, I sleep tight tonight bc of you

>>17015056
you're pathetic for spending a whole thread arguing with everyone defending a weak piece of shit motor

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>>16993898

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>>17016541
would you prefer I make a separate thread for my shilling?

>>17015964
>Foxbody convertible with badge confusion

>>17017921
You'd be the only person in a 3400general. Hell you might just be the last person that still have a running 3400

>>17019115
Wrong fucko, I'd join him
Discussing the High Value line helps me with my fetish for Fieros

>the best car Pontiac ever made didn't even have a Pontiac engine in it

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I love my Pontiac. Wish I had a G8, but they hold their value so well.

>>17008036
>Southfield/Farmington Hills

What the fuck, really? I never knew that. That's where I live.

>>17019337
What do you mean? The Iron duke in the Fiero was 1 cylinder bank of a Pontiac V8 engine.

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My shitbox is a grand prix. Pretty good cars.

i have a mera

>>17020364
>mera
what's a mera

>>16993898
I miss Pontiac, almost all their cars were cool when they went under:

G8 GXP
Solstice
G6 GXP
Vibe GT

If only GM axed Buick instead, but they didn't because China.

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>>17020390
Buick has become decent now. The verano and regal aren't that bad for the price. But in 2009 it was a total joke.

Pic related was their best offering.

>>17021027
Actually, in 2009, their best offering, imo, was the LaCrosse Super.

Then in 2010, the new LaCrosse came out and wiped the floor with Lexus. When the 2010 LaCrosse came out, I kinda went "OH! That's why Buick still exists"
The 2010 LaCrosse was a game-changing car for Buick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jok0YarvCKc

>>17020158
Trophy 4 was one bank of a Pontiac 389 and that was a real short run mill. The Iron Duke was an engine that's existed time out of mind for GM brass and was its own architecture, as far as I know. Though the only Iron Dukes worth a damn were the Pontiac SD4 versions because those were a revised block casting that came in various amounts of nasty trim.

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>>17021027
This is just a rebadged Impala, which was the blandest car of the last 30 years.

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Where are my 3800 boys at?

Year?
Mileage?
Mods?

04 GTP 188k runs beautifully. Have my headers and pulley puller tool ready to go with a 3.5 sitting in the garage. Need to find some time to do it. Also have a tune I need redone because it's shit. Any suggestions?

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>>16994320
>Formula
>not GTA

>>17000618

Holy shit, is this the Master Jacko from Mymonte com?

>>17006844

> Not pissing in the radiator like a wolverine

>>17021836

Turbo 3800 Monte Carlo SS ( actually sold the turbo 2 years ago) but the block is built / ported, new turbo going on this summer, almost 400whp before demod

>>17021832
But the use 2 completely different platforms

>>17022869
Shhhhhh...

>>17022027
Anything > GTA

The electronics in that digital dash are chintzy as fuck. Shame because it's so aesthetic. Worth it if you're willing to redo the entire harness I guess. Or if you're a rich fuck and can afford having someone else do it.

>>17022901
Did all GTAs come with the digi dash? I want one but I'd rather have the analog dash

>>17022904
>The digital dash option, RPO U52, was only available on the GTA in 1987 and 1988, in conjunction with the C67 electronic air conditioning system. In fact, in 1988, this dash set-up was more readily used than the standard analog set-up, with 5,102 cars out of the total production of 9,765 GTAs having this option installed.

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>>16998480
Look at this fancy bastard over here with his functional hood shocks

What cars/trucks can a 2005 Pontiac Grand Prix pass on the interstate if the other person is flooring it? Just wondering. I usually only have trouble with rednecks in V8 trucks.

>>17024175
Is it supercharged?

>>17024443
No its the standard Grand Prix

Thread theme: https://youtu.be/sQzn8lGUY0s

>>17026633
Close, but no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBP7xH348cI

>>17027158
Politely disagree.

https://youtu.be/uHZJej98_T0

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>>17027330
Nah; have to give it up to this anon, with respect to the both of you, of course.

>>17015054


Also, dumping the 84 lineup because everyone loves brochures.

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>>17022027
>Not having the best of both worlds and making a combined GTA/Formula decal to slap on.

Wew lad.

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>>17028014
Skipping over a few of the Fiero pages because it's mostly fluff about the body and design aspects. That and because it goes on for like 8 fucking pages.

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>>17028168
Big wagons give me a boner. Old man had a Parisienne once upon a time and it was pretty godly for a big ass cruiser.

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>>17028247
2 extra Fiero pages because reasons.

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>>17028264

>>17028273
I don't know why you're doing this, but thank you. It's awesome.

>>17028247

>5L V8
>150hp

how?

>>17031042
The exost isn't..... Right?? Cars cars.vehic

>>17031042
>>17031047
The 305 V8 was trash for a number of reasons.
The biggest of which, in my eyes, is its extreme undersquare design (small bore, big stroke). This means it can't rev high, and can't fit larger valves due to the bore so it flows like shit. The entire reason the engine exists is because of emissions. Because of the small bore, it was able to burn its fuel more completely, which made it fairly economical as far as 5.0L engines went.
>TL;DR: economy engine designed for economy can't make power. More news at 11.

>>17031047
Take your meds Daniel

>>16993898
never met a pontiac driver that wasnt disgusting white trash

>>17031119
At least I'm honest about it :^)

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>>17031047
dude

what

>>17031159
If you reply to my post again

That lamb farts

>>17032144
Fart then u ugly pig

>>17031042
8.6:1 compression is how

>>17032153
If you swear on my profile them

Taxes get filed a lamb..... FArts

>>16994830
Absolutely.
The grill is a bubbly kind of look that will still be liked for time to come, where the sky will lose it's glamour. Not to mention, it was very low production, and had a limited coupe model. Also the GXP model had great tuning potential.

>>17032745
This has to be a bot, but why on /o/ of all fucking places?

>>17032928
Ain't no sunshine when she bots

The king come on to the lamb rear

(TO KING LEAR)

>>17032945
Fuck King Lear and FUCK YOU

>>17032945
I wish I could cum in a lamb's rear.

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>GM will never resurrect Pontiac and give them licence to make a GTO and track oriented Firebird on the Alpha Platform
>We will never get an internal development war between the Fiero and the Corvette for lap supremacy
>GM will never make god tier vehicles as a result of inter-departmental spite

At least the Trans-Am Camaro body kit looks kinda cool.

>>17034175
I wish the Fiero had survived and we had Fiero/Corvette threads instead of GTR/Corvette threads. Especially if the Fiero only ever used V6's, but outperformed the Corvette due to suspension tuning, smaller size, and lighter weight.

>>17034175
I just can't unsee the camaro's body shape enough personally. I really hate these "turn a camaro into a firebird" mods because while the Camaro and Firebird always shared shit, they at least had distinct personalities to an extent. you could tell them apart. I look at that and I still just see a Camaro

NEW THREAD:
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