Please red pill me on Subaru brz, what car would you recommend

>>16947330
>Please red pill me on Subaru brz,
maybe ask /pol/ to 'redpill' you

if the pill is red the thread is dead

370Z - same price, better in every point.

>>16947330
The Subaru BRZ, Scion FRS, and Toyota 86 are sports cars.
You will hear a lot of people bitch they're slow. 6.9 second to 60 with a 6 speed manual isn't bad for 200 HP.
The entire point of the car isn't to be fast. It's fun. The entire point of the car is fun and how it feels. As far as sports car go, they're pretty light around 2700/2800 lbs

If you want to go fast, this is NOT the car for you. You can get a Subaru WRX, Chevy Camaro or Ford Mustang for the same price and have a much faster car.

But if you just want the most amount of fun for your money, this is the car to get.

Test drive the Toyota/Scion version before deciding. The suspension tuning is different between the Toyota and Subaru versions. The Subaru is more prone to understeer while the Toyota is more prone to oversteer. It's all personal preference.

>>16947339
>Nissan
>Ever
leave /o/ and never return.

>>16947339
Except unreliable, oil burning, pigfat pile of shit.
Fuck off scumbag

>>16947339
25,000 and 30,000 aren't the same price...

>>16947354
So ass mad. It's honestly not that bad.

>>16947357
My brother has one. It is that bad.

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>>16947360
Oh, your brother? Lel

>>16947360
bread on hood

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>>16947357
I work at a NEW car dealership.
People trade those piles of shit in all the time.
Everyone bitches about how shitty they are.
Then they go through service and all the techs bitch about how shitty they are.
Nissan is trash

ND MIATA > BRZ/86

>>16947354
>>16947360
>I have no idea what I'm talking about and just blatantly parrot /o/ shitposts
>>16947379
>Consumer reports meaning anything
>Literally every model of Nissan is the same
It's funny how little you actually understand

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don't expect it to be fast

EXPECT it to be very fun on the twisties especially.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Enp_XZfSRsI

>>16947389
They are both great, relax

Typical BRZ user
>handling!111111
>shit my car is slow
>tune the shit out of it, + 30 hp
>engine failure
>no tuning still engine failure, because shitty boxer can't take full speed for 10 min straight
best car ever, fuck all other cars, especially 6 cyl cars like the 370Z

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>>16947401
Youre delusional

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>>16947401

>>16947401
>trying to deny that VQ's burn oil

might as well be arguing that the earth is flat m80

>>16947360

I have one, its not bad.

BRZ with macpherson strut is a sports car hurr durr

>>16947444
Neck yourself benchracer

Took my BRZ to the track yesterday. Fun but stock tires limit the turning potential. Another guy with aftermarket summers was keeping up with a Lotus, an Alfa 4C and a bunch of M3-M4s.

>>16947416
370Z is ugly as shit, I'd rather get a used 2007+ 350z

>>16947452
>Another guy with aftermarket summers was keeping up with a Lotus, an Alfa 4C and a bunch of M3-M4s.
this

not like any of the shitters on this board with no racing experience ever are going to be doing any hot laps in their shitbox 370Z, kinda makes you wonder why they obsess over lap times they have no hope of achieving

>yfw magazine test drivers in a miata would still asspound you in any car of your choosing

>>16947450
the brz is slower in corners and its break out threshold is so large that every faggot feels like a true racer

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B-but its f-fun sss-speed isn-isnt e-e-everything ;_;

>>16947470
>front
>wheel
>drive

>>16947464
So change the fucking tires. it's not that fucking hard.

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>>16947330
For you I strongly recommend this car.

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>>16947456
This
wtf went wrong

>>16947474
Dude, give up. Benchracers don't actually drive.

>>16947474
>torque dip

>>16947483
good point

>>16947484
what

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>>16947470
fucking lel

Is norwaybro in here to defend the gt86 like a posterboy again? :^)

10 reasons the BRZ/GT86/FR-S is not intended as a sports car
1) 200 hp - face it, thats fucking retarded. one thing you need in driving is power
2) no oil cooler, you can't drive at full power for prolonged time, especially with the stock 0W20 oil
3) macpherson struts - srsly? how fking retarded is this? you can't even change it lol
4) prius tires stock - enhance oversteer and makes you feel like a true race driver, but 0 performance
5) centered on oversteer - again, it's not about going fast through corners but feeling like a japanese race driver
6) 200 hp - srsly?
7) 200 hp - what the fuck is wrong with the japanese
8) worst brake pads ever, put it to the other things you should change first
9) 4 cyl boxer with no room (read 0 room) for tuning or engine failure will occur
10) 200 hp, lol,fking chrysler is faster

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>>16947529
was this post written by a real live 13 year old?

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>>16947487
>80hp@3800rpm
r u confused? how about i stuff your head through that fucking window, that'll unconfuse you right?

>>16947534
got it from a fr-s driver - gues you can drive this car from 12y on because it's so slow

>>16947541
>peak torque at 2500 rpm all the way til 6500
torque at the wheel is what makes you move idiot, ecks dee lrn2physics

>>16947551
no man, you should learn physics
see the peak in power at 3300 rpm and then it goes flat to 3800 rpm?

>>16947551
minus the torque dip
lrn2reed

>>16947560
um, the peak in power is from 6300 to 7000 m8

perhaps you should look up the word "peak" in the dictionary

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>>16947567
local and global maximum idiot

I show you a real curve, 370Z

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That how a real car looks, straight up, 6 cyl NA

>>16947401
>>Consumer reports meaning anything
That argument is only in regards them not being about to properly test offroaders and performance cars. Reliability surveys are the one thing of theirs you can trust.

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>>16947567
>moving the goal posts
>trying to invalidate an *entire range* of the powerband
b-b-b-b--ut muh specific output

>>16947592
You the boxing guy?

Dear OP,

look at the hp curve of the BRZ, this should tell you that it is not a real car but some fucked up thing from the laboratory begging to get shot

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>>16947592
>>16947579
>>16947572
wow the nissan internet defense force is out in strength today

who knew a fun little car could BTFO them so hard for no reason?

>>16947550
so why aren't you allowed to drive your mom's Yaris?

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>>16947609
Two can play this game my dude

>>16947618
because it's faster than a brz?

>>16947625
My mom's maxima is faster than a BRZ that doesn't make it a better or "fun" car to drive

>>16947633
good that you wrote fun in quotation marks

>>16947622
>I deliberately entered a thread full of things that I do not like
haha you sure did you fucking retard

>>16947650
??

You know that a guy crashed one of the first GT86 in the US while running at 10 mph through a corner because the car is so shitty?

Tyical BRZ/GT86/FR-S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNQPFwnLqco

>>16947330
Same power to weight ratio as an 1998 N/A MR2, but more expensive and uglier.

>>16947644
Because a shitposter like yourself can't fathom that a slower car can be more enjoyable than a faster car

>>16947657
Don't be mad, you can get a turbo kit for 2k USD from one of the broken BRZ

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The only correct answer.

>>16947657
If you need to tell everybody that you car makes fun something is wrong.

ITT: Stop liking what I don't like

someone could do a clinical study of autism on /o/ bench racers

>>16947675
as a 370Z driver I agree - buy the Mustang instead of the BRZ shitbox

>>16947678
If you need to tell everybody that their car isn't fun, something is wrong

>yeah i know you have fun in your car and everything but let me tell you why you're actually wrong

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Would a V6 Mustang be a decent alternative?

This happens because the BRZ is just too fucking slow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5daG0T14jY

>>16947693
YES - for sure

So many Triggered 86 shitposters ITT

>>16947701
I bet i could just post a picture of an 86 and within a few hours it would be full of people going REEEEEE V6 MUSTANG, 370Z and hit the bump limit

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>>16947693
No. Its like 5000lbs and cant turn.
Plus ford build """"quality""""

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>>16947675
>>16947693
>>16947706
I'd rather suggest the V6 Camaro. You get a superior IRS and a more powerful V6

>>16947705
oh wait that already happens and has been happening since 2013

>>16947705
This thread has picked up speed because of how upset a car makes people, sad really

>>16947708
jesus, buy anything with a V6, Camaro, Mustang, 370Z - it's really that easy
don't buy a 4 cyl with 200 hp - how hard can it be

>>16947708
and the worst interior ever put in a 21st century automobile

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>>16947715
>buy anything with a V6
>buy
>V6

>>16947354
>forgetting to mention the regular recurrence of rusty half shaft spines and the resultant bearing damage if left unchecked

>>16947714
We're out of chips, but there's still plenty of Torque Dip.

>>16947735
And transmissions blowing up and overheating if you drive it hard

>>16947541

Any aftermarket header fixes that.

>>16947330
>More expensive than a C5Z
>Slower than a C5Z
Buy a C5Z.

>>16947807
>Any aftermarket header moves the torque dip to another RPM
ftfy

>>16947330
If theyre still making these in a couple of years time I'm having one.

>>16948048
Maybe in a couple of years it'll have an I4 or I6 instead of a retarded-ass boxer

>>16948068
Good for you.

I'm just a lowly youropoor who dreams of mad skiddz and roundabout fun in the rain...

>>16947807
>he has to spend money to fix his grand canyon torque drop

>>16947609
Sorry some people don't take
>Nissan
As a legitimate reply to why the 370z is a better car than the 86.

>>16947470
>870kg
H*cking Christ that's amazing, wonder what was done to cut down so much fat on it.

>>16947692
>Wew lad i can really feel the road! I've never had this much fun riding behind a minivan! Who needs enough horsepower to overtake a Honda Odyssey? For the low price of 27k you too can indeed have fun(TM)!

>>16948113
>>16948142
Oh look, it's that one dork that knows NOTHING about cars

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why not buy a fun sporty car that actually looks good?

>>16948170
>Fiat
GTFO

>>16948170
FIAT...

NEVER!!

>>16947330
These will be the new Miata in a decade or so, mark my words. The bang for buck is just lacking my dude, 25k for 200 horses and 2800ish pounds with meh tires isn't a bargain for me. Get one used, but again the problem is going to be that everyone abuses these poor things and stuff, get used up like condoms when all the miatas fade away and die.

>>16948144
Can't hear you over the amount of fun I'm having in my gt86. I just can't believe I didn't pay 27k to ride behind Dodge Grand Caravans and Nissan Rogues sooner!

>>16947444
>with macpherson strut is a sports car

MR2 has McStruts, nobody with an MR2 complains about the handling.

86/BRZ has DoubleWish in the back wheels.

>>16948206
Too bad you were too stupid and bought a boring Accord to beat Civics at the stoplights

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>>16948217
>nobody with an MR2 complains about the handling.
By then it's too late.

>>16948187
>>16948182

its based on the miata

>>16948219
First of all I inherited my accord, and second of all it has 282 horsepower and can smoke the fuck out of a gt86 on any course that isn't 90% turns. (Also it was fucking cheaper than a gt86 when the person I inherited it from bought it).
>Yfw my hand me down accord is all around better and I still think it's a shitbox
Get literally 100% BTFO.

>>16948274
Holy shit MR2's are death traps.

My mate had one with a Celica GT4 engine in it and we were like a fuckin ballet dancer half the time in it.

>>16948286
but it's not a miata is it, it's a fiat

>>16948182
>>16948187

funny how you bash FIAT as a brand but drive a toyota/subaru

>>16948288
Jokes on you I don't own an 86, keep dreaming the Accord isnt an actual econobox it was designed to be.

>>16948302
>implying

>>16948301

its the same technology

>>16948288
>gifted a car
>talks shit about how people spend their hard earned money
Not surprised coming from a permavirgin

>>16948304
Dreaming about what? Having to race a gt86 is a nightmare. It implies the person I'm racing against actually paid 27k for an underpowered boxer car. I would feel sorry for them that they fell for the meme.

>>16948328
>T . poorfag NEET

>>16948217
nobody complains my ass. Have you ever driven an Mr2, or any short wheelbase mid engine car? Mr2's are notorious for snap back oversteer. no thanks

s2k is really the only car that is way better for the same money

>>16948351
Lmao kid please I could buy one in cash right now, but that isn't a wise decision is my point.

>>16948410
What makes you think you could buy an actual car you virgin loser, mommy and daddy won't pay insurance for another car

>>16948388
The snap oversteer is fun though...

>>16948434
>Lmao I'll just try to delegitimize his arguments with unfounded personal attacks. This will surely prove me right! Who cares about counter arguments?
86fags everyone.

>>16948443
not when you swerve to avoid an animal and suddenly become a dreidel

>>16948479
I mentioned above I don't own an 86, last I recall 370z is better car than an Accord. Are you that insecure being a beta virgin?

>ride sv650
>weeaboo brz revs at me at an abandones stoplight
>rev back
>hit 60 before he even gets to the end of the light
>he tries to blast past me after i slow down
>casually accelerate and prevent him from doing so
>ride 5mph under the speedlimit the entire 3mi single lane road with him riding my ass, unable to overtake me since i'm both faster and have more low-end torque

was a gud laugh desu, he couldnt have even ran me over with his pigfat piece of shit

beaten by a used $2k motorcycle, then mopped up by a barely functioning honda odyssey

top
fucking
kek

yeah tell me more about your "fun" at the back of the line fucking retard

>>16948668
The guy was a dumbfuck even trying to stoplight race you. With that said you are just as stupid, keep that up you'll get run over by some jackass

>>16947693
for benchracers yes but the v6 mustang is kinda shit unless you modified it and find out that getting one with a v8 would have been cheaper.

>>16948205
recent miatas are like 20-30k while brz/frs start at 15k.

>>16949329
don't be a faggot and compare new to used
used miatas range from 2k-30k depending on what generation you want
BRZ/GT86 used range from 15k-30k
Miata is always the right choice

>>16949325
How is it shit exactly? I'm honestly curious, it seems like a decently priced, fun sports coupe. Is it just bad in comparison with the V8?

>>16948668
One time I beat a miata in my work truck lol what a shit car bet I could destroy him on the toegay

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>>16947336
You got memed on son XD

>>16948298
>>16948274
Just don't lift off you pussies

>>16947339
I drove both BRZ & 370z before buying an FRS. 370z is quick, but does not feel as good to drive as the 86. The 370z feels like a japanese mustang, and the FRS is like a japanese porsche.

Chris Harris' video where he compares the cayman, 370z, and gt86 sums it all up pretty well.

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>>16950447

>>16950941
I drove frs and the mustang.
No fucking comparison. Mustang was complete garbage....

>>16947330
I wouldn't recommend any car instead, there is a reason the Toybaru twins hold the world record for most "Car of the year" awards.

>>16948668
You are bragging about being faster than an 86 on your motorbike?

I own both a GT86 and an SV650 and you are a retard my dude

>>16948668
>>16952105

Also, SV650 will still kill just about any car on the road. Godamn how can you actually be so stupid.

>>16949448
Actually the problem is that they dont get used as DD and they are a bit rarer while the toyobarus are probably DD in the winter.

>>16947444
If that's your criteria than the S2000 isn't a sports car.

>>16947330
literally anything else

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>>16947487

>>16952111

Then some 17 year old girl on the interstate is distracted by a text message and wanders into the lane of the SV650, hitting the bike and causing the rider to fall off and under an 18 wheeler

The rider should have bought a BRZ.

>>16947405
This

>>16947416
Nah, it's plenty fast

>>16948274
>b-b-b-but snap oversteer
You mean what they fixed in the second update on the sw20?
You mean the problem that is driver error?

>>16947330
>>16947330
Don't believe the memes, it's not slow. Fast just wasn't one of the top priorities of the design. It's light, feels like a proper sportscar, is a practical and economical DD and will reach your national speed limit faster than you will ever need.

If you're not planning to race it and know how to shift past the torque dip, it's literally the perfect car.

>>16947379
My love of all things VW has been confirmed by this poast

>>16952105
LOL NO U DONT YOU IDORT

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>>16947330
987 Cayman S

>>16947444
Is the 911 not a sports car either?

I bet you're the faggot who thinks his EG hatch is a true sports car because "muh double wishbones"

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>>16953126
>987 Cayman S
Just get a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 if you want a fast car.

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>tfw the brz will have less HP then a yaris in the coming years

>tfw toyota might be doing good things

>>16947330
>redpill

Fuck off

>>16953174
Reminder that /o/ would prefer a Fiat Multipla over the 86 if it did 0-60 in less than 6 seconds and had better skidpad numbers.

>inb4 what's wrong with the Multipla

>>16953194
>LS1 swapped Multipla

I'd drive the fuck out of that.

>>16953206
hook, line and sinker

>>16953194
reminder that given the chance /o/ would take a stang over 918 if 918 came on skinny tires and therefor had its full potential hidden just a wheel change away.

>>16947715
this. you niggers and your "twisties" are all you retards go on about in this car. plenty of cars can be had for the same price range that aren't slow as shit and still fun to drive around in corners.

>>16953245
ok like what then?

>>16953252
Fiat Multipla with an LS1.

>>16953252
Camaro.
It does 0-60 in 5 secs senpai

>>16953139
Does a 997 GT3 RS 4.0 cost the same as a BRZ? Because a 987 Cayman S does

>>16953275
Show me a 3 year old 987 Cayman S in mint condition with less than 20,000 miles for 15,000 bucks. Fucking cunt.

>>16953280
3 year old 987s don't exist you retard

>>16953288
WHY COMPARE IT THEN YOU DENSE FUCKING SHITCUNT

>>16953293
>DURR IT HAS TO BE THE SAME FUCKING AGE
That's woman logic and you fucking know it, stop trying to justify the shit excuse of a sports car that is the 86

>>16947330
>>16953273

100% honestly, 2nd gen firebirds/camaros are so much fun in twisties, make at least better torque than the FRS/BRZ/86 AND have 10x better street cred.

>>16953300
>HURR DURR THIS OLD AS FUCK RUSTED OUT RUN INTO THE GROUND SHITBOX WITH 200,000 MILES AND A MILLION FARTS IN THE DRIVERSEAT IS CHEAPER THAN YOUR THREE YEAR OLD CAR
Never change /o/, never change.

>>16953314
>Porsche
>rust
>200k miles
Stop being a retard and actually do some research you mongoloid, shit isn't some $3k Civic

>>16953314
>FARTS IN THE DRIVERSEAT
I never understood this argument. The people who tested/delivered/moved the car in any way before you buy it new probably farted in it well before you did

>>16953318
Still waiting for the price of a Cayman of similar age (mileage if you must) and condition of what I paid 15,000 bucks for.

>>16947551
Because when I'm racing I make sure to exit turns at 2500 rpm.

Learn to drive. You should never be that low in the power band in an aggressive driving situation.

>>16953333
Are you OP though? I don't see why you're sperging out so fucking hard

Is this a knee jerk reaction in a vain attempt to justify your shit car?

>>16953323
I bet a least 3 Japs farted in my 86 before it even left the factory. Also, I don't buy new, I buy one to four years old with less than 20,000 miles. You will have to agree there's a hell of a lot less gunk and slime and smell in a 3 year old car than in a 15 year old car.

>>16953343
Let me guess, you can't actually find a Cayman S even close to the price range we're talking about?

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>>16953345
>You will have to agree there's a hell of a lot less gunk and slime and smell in a 3 year old car than in a 15 year old car.
Sure, if you're buying cheaper cars, I've seen those S13s

Which is why I recommended a Porsche in the first place since it would most likely be a person's second car, stored in the winter, and well taken car of

>>16953352
OP never mentioned a price range. I went off the assumption of new or a year old
But here's a very clean Boxster S for the same price and pretty low kms in Canuckistan
>b-b-but muh age, muh farts, th-that's not a Cayman

>>16947330
Get an s2000, it's a lot cheaper and they're more unique, but please whatever you do don't get a fucking v6 muscle car

Dont Own a BRZ but own an ND which is a similar car their both

>lightweight
>Decent power to weight but not as fast as most sports cars
>good handling

So why would I get the ND a clearly weaker car vs a new camaro or mustang, simple. The Fun factor.

I have so much fun in the ND even in slow speeds vs having to go hard on a muscle car to squeeze some joy out of it.

>>16953368
Wow, that's even more embarassing than what I expected.

>more expensive
>five times as old
>has three times the mileage
>no roof
>eye-cancer inducing leather
>"very clean"
I said mint, not "pretty good for its age".

I wonder how much of the 50 extra bhp are still left in it.

If USED is the option only car that comes close to better value is an 07+ 350z. Everyone else here is talking out their ass with used Porsches

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>>16953386
>more expensive
Don't be a retard

>m-muh age
Rather own an older car taken car by someone who can afford it than a 4 year old car trashed by a rice kiddie
>no roof
Buy one you tard
>eye-cancer inducing leather
Shit taste. You probably have an interior with shit pleather and red stitching because its "sporty"
>I said mint
A 4 year old car isn't going to be "mint" either

>>16953400
You've driven the cars, right?

>>16953413
I own an 86 and test drove a 370z for shits and giggles, good car just out of my price range at time

>>16953427
But have you driven a Cayman or other?

>>16953433
No, those are retarded comparisons

>>16953436
Except they're not

>>16953438
I don't want a used Porsche with plenty of miles just to cash out for a major service there's a big premium with em

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>>16953403
>Don't be a retard
I'll give you that, I didn't expect the price to be in monopoly money, my bad.
>Rather own an older car taken car by someone who can afford it than a 4 year old car trashed by a rice kiddie
Rather own 4 year old car taken care by someone who can afford it than an older car trashed by a rice kiddie
>You probably have an interior with shit pleather and red stitching because its "sporty"
Shit taste, you probably have an interior with worn out literally barf colored leather because it was cheap
>A 4 year old car isn't going to be "mint" either
I'm literally unironically sitting in it right now and it literally unironically is, except for the dead flies on the windshield I collected earlier today.

>>16953442
They're reliable cars if you aren't a retard and actually maintain them, flat 6 Porsches are always tailing behind Lexus for reliability
>inb4 IMS memes

>>16953445
Please post more of your shit justifications

>>16953456
Dude do you really think "people" here can afford maintenance costs? I sure the fuck cant

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>>16953460
>>16953456
Can I just jump in and say that my Boxster has been pretty good on maintenance?

>>16953445
So you're not OP. Why the knee jerk reaction to the alternatives he was asking for?

>>16953469
Have you done a 60k mile service?

>>16953476
l did a 120k mile service last year

>>16953484
How much?

>>16953485
Like $300 for the parts at most, I do everything myself

>>16953459
No problemo

>actual trunk that fits more than a woman's purse
>rear seat that can fold down to accomodate a full set of tires
>or seat 2 fully grown men
>less fuel consumption
>maintenance cost is far cheaper
>engine doesn't literally piss oil
>crankshafts aren't made off glass
>up to date infotainment system

Need I go on?

>>16953490
How much you think it would be at shop or dealer?

>>16953494
What are you comparing this to?

>>16953504
Toyobaru compared to Cayman/Boxster.

>>16948494
Nothing ventured Nothing Gained you fucking pussy ass soccermom busrider piece of shit.

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>>16953508
A lot of those are wrong but okay. I hope you're enjoying you car anon, I'm just going to give OP some info on alternatives

>>16953499
Probably a lot more. Even outside of a dealer they see the badge and charge a premium when in reality most of the regular maintenance is pretty straight forward. Wouldnt be surprised if it was well over a grand
Like you have to jack of the rear of the car and take off the wheels to change the spark plugs, sure it's a couple extra steps but they're by no means hard. If you can't do either of those things you shouldn't be changing sparkplugs in my opinion

>>16953534
>A lot of those are wrong
>I can't accept that the car I hate for no reason is actually better so I say facts are wrong without explaining why
Classic /o/.

>>16953534
Love and appreciate Porsches but that's where my argument comes from comparing an 86 to Porsche makes no sense when maintenance comes into play. People forget that only a solid 15% of /o/ actually works on their cars while the rest benchmark and shitpost

>>16953544
>People forget that only a solid 15% of /o/ actually works on their cars while the rest benchmark and shitpost
Yeah I know, but I tend to assume that 85% don't even own cars in the first place assuming they even have a driver's license

>>16953541
I was never attacking your car. Still don't know how you took offense when someone gave OP and alternative to the 86 when he specifically asked for alternatives

>>16953558
>15 year old Boxster with ancient technology is a valid alternative to a 3 year old modern car
Round and round in circles we go.

>>16953599
No one asked you though

>>16953599
>ancient technology
Elaborate

>>16953603
>stop voicing opinions I don't like
No one asked you either.
>>16953609
25 year old Porsche engineering, from the era when they were almost bankrupt.

>>16953622
That's why they used that same engineering all the way up to 2010, right? You idiot

>>16953622
You're the one getting triggered over someone even suggesting something other than your precious BRZ meme car

>>16953305
>have 10x better street cred.

In Texas, 80's and up Firebirds and Camaros are fucking beaner cars. No white man would be caught dead in one.

>>16947352
>6.9 second to 60 with a 6 speed manual isn't bad for 200 HP.
That's really bad, that's slower than a fucking Honda odyssey

>>16953707
It's 6.2 actually

>>16947355
It's 30k for the sport package faggot, the base is 27k

Even then you're gonna blow a fuck ton more money than 5k trying to make the brz faster and better than a 370z

>>16953636
>That's why they used that same engineering all the way up to 2010, right?
That's why the 996 is the least appreciated 911. They literally had engines blowing up on the way home from the dealership. You're either underage or have no experience with 90's and early 00's Porsches. The facelift in 2002 made it somewhat okayish, but Porsche only really got good again with the 997.2 in 2008.

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>>16953707

>>16947352
>If you want to go fast, this is NOT the car for you. You can get a Subaru WRX, Chevy Camaro or Ford Mustang for the same price and have a much faster car.

It's not a car for tuns either

>slower than a K-pop car


Also you mazda cucks are almost as bad as gm fangurls

>>16953842
>le IMS meme
Most of those were replaced under warranty

You know the earlier 997s are literally just nicer looking 996s, right?

>>16953925
Did I just say they didn't fix it till 2008 with the 997.2 or did I just say they didn't fix it till 2008 with the 997.2?

>>16953937
The IMS was fixed in 2005 with a new larger design. The early bearing with a dual row design before 2000 weren't even an issue either

>>16953962
You're either underage or have no experience with 90's and early 00's Porsches.

>>16954008
Nice arguments you have there

>>16954019
I don't know another way to argue with someone who says the iconic problems of the 996 and pre-facelift 997 aren't actually problems. I've never heard that before. You're either clueless or lying to yourself to make a point, but I thought assuming you're a liar was rude.

>>16954036
http://imsretrofit.com/ims-101/
>By far, the single row ball-bearing used starting in model year 2000 through 2005 are the most problematic.

Read you nigger.

>>16954047
You're not making sense. Take your time to formulate a coherent point.

>>16954088
>reading is hard
fuck off

>>16953715
You don't even get an LSD with the base. And I'm pretty sure it's 29k in the States.

>>16954092
My point: the 90's, starting with the unveiling of the 986 in 1993, through the early 00's, ending with the facelift of the 997 were the worst years for Porsche, in terms of engineering.
Your point: "Read you nigger"

>>16954128
>give him a source
>he doesn't read it
Good job at proving you're illiterate

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i still dont get the Fiat Spider hate around here. looks a lot better than a ND Miata and you wont look like another boy-racer wannabe in a GT86.

why is 86 SO slow?
2003 WRX wagon has only 20 horsepower more, is noticeably heavier, has FWD-biased AWD and accelerates better than 86.

>>16954141
It looks like shit, RF or leave

>>16954147
Maybe because AWD and turbo you fucking idiot

>>16954149
>RF
who needs trunk space amirite?

>>16954157
how is FWD biased AWD better than RWD?

>>16954141
Memesters

>>16954166
Are you THAT stupid??? It's helps the launch """"acceleration"""" as you mentioned

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>>16954141
>buying a fiat

>>16954141
It looks like a Chrysler product from 2004.

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>>16947330
>Anything with full double wishbones and/or rear multi-link suspension
>Hydraulic or manual steering rack
>RWD or AWD

you're welcome op

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>>16954149
the RF is just, ugh. lits like they took a larger coup like an F Type then squeezed it down to size and gave it angrier headlights.

>>16954190
The RF doesn't look sp appealing but far better than Fiat

>>16954194
lol no

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>>16954194
i dont know how people can put these two side to side and decide the MX-5 is the more attractive choice.

sure there are things like engine design, aftermarket support and "heritage" that would drive plenty of people to go for the ND but on aesthetics alone i have a hard time justifying ever going for the MX-5 between the two.

>>16954239
I don't know how you see the Fiat as the more attractive one. It looks like any other overdesigned modern car with no real design language built to appeal to the mass market. It's a lump of a convertible with two grills. It's like Chrysler Crossfire-tier.

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Except that's wrong

>>16954147
>subaru
>FWD-biased AWD
What the fuck are you smoking

>>16954269
Old one looked like a lump of generic too, but at least it had a slimmer profile. The Miata manages to have a low beltline. No excuse for the Fiat's fatness.

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>>16954290
They have the same beltline because they're literally the same car
>Fiat's fatness
Literally how? The slightly bigger trunk?

>>16949484
The mustang gt/camaro ss is just that great

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>>16954305
Yes. Taller trunk, headlights placed higher, and less defined fender arches. The door curve swooping down on the Miata gives it a much sleeker profile to me.

It's not awful as a standalone car, but the Miata seems more competently designed to me.

>>16954141
Somehow the miata got a better engine even if its less powerful.

>>16954377
But the belt line is the exact same because the doors are the exact same

And the cars are so small that the slightly taller haunches are barely noticeable, unless maybe you're a manlet

>>16954397
How is it better if it's weaker and makes less torque? It's also piss easy to tune that Fiat Multiair (the single reliable thing Fiat makes) to make well over 200whp

>>16954406
>BSFC
>smoothness
>reliability
>no need for pigrich AFRs and boost cutting/heatsoak powerloss/inconsistent output
>reliability
>flat torque band
>infinitely better sound
>not a FIAT engine
>not piss poor FIAT reliability
>DOHC vs SOHC
>smoother & more reliable
>doesnt sound like a wet fart
>much lower maintenence cost
>did I forget BSFC?
>superior machining
>superior clearances and much narrower tolerances
>entire drivetrain meticulously optimized aka gram strategy
>still 500x more reliable than faultyair
>much better engine control logic
>smoother and more reliable (if you missed it before)

idk? what makes a engine good?

>>16954406
The engine is better on the street because it get more torque on the low end and also better mileage but its a sportcar anyway so you give a shit.
But if tune it and don’t care about turbo lag the fiat is better.

>>16954399
The lines of the curves are different and change my perception of the overall cars.

You might be right though. I am a 6 foot manlet, so maybe I notice things lower to the ground more. I haven't seen the Fiat in person yet. Miata just looked fucking great in reality.

>>16954444
Turbo lag is fun, remind me of the time I got to thrash around that Porsche 930

>>16954433
The Fiat engine can sound great, I don't know what they did in the 124 Spyder to make it sound like ass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CbeY9w63b0
The rest of your points sound like pure wankery for all things nip

>a engine
Finish grade school, kiddo

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>>16947534
haha it's the same fucking faggot who got BTFO in this screen cap. Same image name and everything. Why don't you get a good car instead of shitposting about your bad car.

>>16954457
>The rest of your points
Sound like you don't have a grasp on technology.

>Considering the amount of fine tuning that went into the engineering of the Skyactiv engine range, Mazda’s engineers had to ensure that the equipment used in production would be able to deliver finely and accurately machined engine components. When it came to machining the mounting points for the engine’s camshaft, the engineers managed to design a special rig to support the long drill bit as to prevent sagging during the drilling process. It is said that this special rig is able to deliver an accuracy of between 0.015mm to 0.05mm. As for drilling valve holes in the cylinder head, Mazda’s engineers were able to improve machining accuracy and reduce variations from a mere 9.4μm to just 3μm, or 0.003mm.

You got any data regarding FIAT's machining prowess?

>>16954482
I'm sure Fiat just managed to bang some sticks together and make an engine that somehow outperforms Mazda's

>>16954486
>somehow outperforms Mazda's
It's called a turbo. ANd it doesn't outperform anything. See how you can't speak in specifics, you have to refer to unsupported, opinion-tier generalities instead? Means you have a desire to argue, but without an argument.

>>16954498
>See how you can't speak in specifics
Neither can you, you just quoted something you googled

Do you think Mazda's the only company on the planet with tighter clearances? And that every other manufacturer has clearances looser than your mom's vagina?

>>16947352
0-100 is claimed 7.6 secs with some testers managing 7.3 seconds.

>>16954509
>just googled
But it's always been that way. Dont take my word for it, just ask Ford over 20 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAfUOfSY-S0

370z > 350z > S2000 > Miata > Fucking Solstice > then maybe an FR-S/BR-Z

>>16947529
>one thing you need in driving is power
see: Mazda Miata
Fuck off burgerfat, i dont need to read any more.

>>16947330
I would have to say a real sports car, such as the Scion FR-S or the Toyota 86 is probably the better option.

>>16953842
The 996 is the least appreciated 911 because the use of water cooled engines and "fried-egg" headlights marked a huge deviation from 911 design and style. The 986/987 also suffered from IMS issues, but neither are reviled by purists as much as the 996.

>>16954640
Miata isnt really a sportscar though

>>16947330
>what car would you recommend instead

A clean 2013 FRS or BRZ shell with an LS swap, more power at almost the same price as new one.

>>16954133
To be honest, I can't see what you're on about either, he's right in that Porsche was at an all time low in that time, understandably so, considering that they had to cut cost severely to stay in business. IMS is just the tip of the iceberg, the entire interior of that time was horrendously cheap and bad, the headlights are pants on head retarded, the tiptronic was absolute horseshit and oil seal of the crank shaft was so bad half the engines leaked oil to the point where you had to put a tray under the engine in the garage.

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>>16947330
Tfw I destory brz/frs's both on straights and turns in my 5000$ mini cooper s on the local track

Have fun with your mom-mobile anon

>>16954887
Just $500 and an afternoon bro

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>>16955096
>drives a Mini
>calls the 86 a mom-mobile

>>16955110
I've only ever seen women and vape kiddies driving BRZs

>>16955139
And I've only ever seen fat bitches driving Minis.

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>>16955150
Isn't that ironic?

>>16955150
Lel I wasn't even the Mini driver you were arguing with

>>16955165
My point stands regardless.

>>16954551
Is solstice even rwd.

>>16955150
>>16955173
The only bitch I see here is you shitposting about the Mini drivers you see staring out the bus window

>>16954276
non-STI are FWD-biased

>>16954950
>entire interior of that time was horrendously cheap and bad
It's ugly but no means is it cheap. Remember that interiors for earlier Porches were pretty fucking bland as well
>the headlights are pants on head retarded
Literally just kneejerk reactions from autists, the Turbo headlights were the best
>the tiptronic was absolute horseshit
As were every other automagics fitted to ports cars at the time. The NSX had to be detuned to 250bhp when paired with an automatic
>oil seal of the crank shaft was so bad half the engines leaked oil to the point where you had to put a tray under the engine in the garage.
One hell of an exaggeration, but the RMS is a $20 fix

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>>16955195
:^)

>>16955150
Lol you weren't even arguing with the right guy
Stay mad that your brz gets outrun by a shitbox lady-car

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>>16955173
>Can't come up with a valid argument back
F-ffffat people drive it

>Stay slow

Mini cooper drivers have LOW testosterone

>>16955321
Cars don't have hormones

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>>16955310
On what planet isn't
>And I've only ever seen fat bitches driving Minis.
at least as valid as
>I've only ever seen women and vape kiddies driving BRZs
!?
Especially seeing as it's 100% true? >>16955275

>>16955324
The owners do

>Mini Cooper owners trying to bully anyone
All of my keks you fags were born with dicks in your mouths

>>16955345
They aren't related

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>>16955352
Tfw so BTFO you have to use the "mini drivers r gey" line

Brzfags are so easy to trigger

>>16955412
I'll enjoy my slow car while I sit back and watch your shitty engine blow to kibbles and tits

>>16955418
Btfo

>>16955418
>watch your shitty engine blow to kibbles and tits
It's funny because your engine is just as shitty.
BRB head gaskets
BRB valve cover oil leaks
BRB timing cover oil leaks
BRB pulling engine to change plugs

>>16955519
The FA engine isn't the same as the old EJ my friend, keep grasping at straws though. People might start to think the Mini isn't so shitty if you keep repeating that suff

>>16955534
You're right, it's just gutless instead

>>16955541
I'm sure if I searched for a turbo kit off ebay it'd make as much power as a cooper, would probably break down just as fast too

MINI owners on suicide watch

>>16955563
What are Porsche owners on?

>>16955764
Bay Watch

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>>16955534
>>16955554
>>16955563
^^^ THIS

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>>16955837
DELETE THIS
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>>16955208
Not quite. 4EAT equpped models were 90/10 at crusing speeds but could go 40/60 under acceleration

>>16955837
That actually looks so disgusting

>>16955966
Acura's SH-AWD can go 30/70 under acceleration but it's still FWD biased AWD

>>16955534
>The FA engine isn't the same as the old EJ my friend
Yeah no, it's worse, and those are all problems inherent with high strong boxer engines friendo. I don't even own a mini faggot, keep grasping while you regret that monthly L.

>>16956008
Acura isnt Subaru

>>16956213
>Yeah no, it's worse
explain you are self

>>16953368
They're cheaper than the cayman because they're less reliable.
Not saying Porsche's are shitty and super prone to breaking but the parts are just undeniably way more expensive when normal wear and tear does do them in.

>>16956526
They're more expensive for sure, but not way more expensive that it makes them prohibitively expensive to own

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>>16947330
I've owned an FRS since 2013, both automatic and manual versions. They feel the same to be honest, though the AT is actually pretty decent, you just cant launch the car.

Anyway both versions feel slow off the line. The gearing and how low it is to the ground makes it feel faster then it is, you really notice the lack of torque in the summer when you are on the highway and driving up hill.

The car is fun though, arguably the most fun I have ever had in a car, there is a special feeling to it when you actually sit in it - feels like sitting in a cockpit of a fighterjet, yet the performance aspect is severely lacking.

Anyway I am going to be moving on to a Camaro SS (or V6) at some point. You can buy a Camaro V6 with 335 Horsepower and a 7,500 rev limit (great sounding exhaust) that goes 0-60 in 5.1 for the same price (even cheaper) then an FRS/BRZ though the car is about 500lbs heavier.

I love the platform of the FRS/BRZ/86 but the lack of power is something you will come to hate. Great looking car, fun to fishtail, great steering feel, but it's just too damn slow.

It's like having a really hot girlfriend that has a low IQ and won't give BJ's in bed.

>>16957047
>They feel the same to be honest
I bet everything 'feels the same' for a toyota driver.

>>16948124
They used 100 recycled coke cans to make the chassis

>>16953126
5 TIMES MORE EXPENSIVE

>>16953275
No they don't.
The cheapest non S Cayman you can get is still 10k more than a brand new GTS 86.