Hot Hatches

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yurop pls go

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>>16935065
Nu male pls go

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>>16935062
Because making something a hatchback improves a vehicles usefulness with a minimal penalty in in performance.

Just look at Subarus: the previous gen offered a sedan and wagon wrx, and the wagon was only 50lbs more.

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>anything other than the best hot hatch

>>16935062
Best mix is a sedan

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They're pretty fun, the fwd doesn't bother me too much and the power is nice. I wish it sat lower and had a little more pull early in revs and could get around small roads a bit better but overall, hot hatches are really fun with great practicality. I've had a keyboard and lamp in my trunk for 2 months that I forgot about, gonna remove them today and count it as weight reduction.

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My SVT has okay power but makes up for it with great handling and power to weight, and it doesn't guzzle gas 9/10

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>Hot hatch
>Not a single one on fire
How can you call them hot hatches if it isn't hot at all?

>Boring Mazda3
>Hot hatch
that's not how that works bro, also forgot the Focus ST, the RS doesn't belong

>>16935826
or the Golf R for that matter, Civic Type R is on the border

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>>16935062
>mazda 3 at the bottom
>still pretending like the speed 3 exists for this gen

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Seen an A-Class in elbaite green in the wild a few days ago. Absolutely marvellous color.

>>16935809
As expected of mershitdes huehue

>>16935062
Because they're a practical car given fun bits.

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>>16935062
Make hot hatches small again

>>16935062
whoever did this retarded collage forgot to switch the mazda3 with the swift sport

>>16936626
>>16935840
>the mazdas the only good car on there

>>16936630
Nice meme dude, but it still doesn't change the fact the MS3 literally doesn't even exist for this gen.

>>16936620
Hot Toyota Yaris soon

>>16936630
it's not a fucking hot hatch.

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>>16936635
So?
The fords will eat brakes, transmissions, clutches, diffs, catch fire around 40k
The VWs will shit out around 40k
The mini, fiat, and hyundai will shit out around 40k
The honda is fuck all ugly but it should be reliable.
Mazda will keep going into infinity and beyond.
Thats the ONLY thing that matters in a street driven car. Reliability.
Also
>>16936643
This

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>>16936664
>So?

So the new 3 has no business in a hot hatch thread you dummy.

>>16936657
>>16936675
But the fiat and mini and hyundai are?
The fiat makes less HP in top trim
The hyundai turbo only makes 15hp more
The mini makes less hp unless you get a john cooper version. Which isnt worth the money.
The fiesta makes only 15hp more and weighs the same as a 3.
You people are retarded

>>16935062
there is something with small cars that makes them just so fun

>>16936684
No, you fucking retard. It's literally a fucking econocar.

It's not fucking marketed as a hot hatch anywhere, whereas a Swift Sport and an Abarth are.

Fucking mouthbreathing retard.

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>>16936620
old golf 1 gti is perfection

mk2 is cool as well though

>>16936664
>says honda is reliable
>and mazda is also reliable
BUT ONLY MAZDA MATTER IT'S ONLY MAZDA FOR RELIABILITY I BUY INTO EVERY MEME THERE IS. EXCEPT ONES RELATING TO MAZDA.

>>16936695
Its hotter than things considered hot.
>>16936702
No one is arguing the civic you autistic sperg

>>16936684
Yes. The Fiat is tiny as fuck compared to the 3, and has completely different suspension, exhaust, and panels compared to the base model unlike the 3. Same for the Mini and ST.

I'll let the Hyundai slide because at least they're trying. The 3 is a hot hatch as much as a Juke or a base Civic hatch is a hot hatch.

On a side note, what's the general opinion on the yaris?

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>>16936740
Apparently its more hot than a mazda 3.

>>16936740
Good shitbox.

>Honda still hasn't made a Fit Si
It's like they don't want my money.

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>>16936711
>I think it's hotter than the other hot hatchbacks, there for my opinion is correct
Check the definition
"High performance derivative of a car body style consisting of 3 to 5 doors"
The mazda 3 is not high performance it's just a regular econobox.

>>16936745
hotter*
the mazda is just way better looking though

>>16935826
They haven't made the current gen speed 3 yet so he pictured the regular 3. The mazdaspeed 3 is one of the best hot hatches out, especially for the $$.

>>16936740
I want the Yaris GRMN looks kinda eh but still gonna be awesome

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>>16936757
They have, just not in the US. It's called the Jazz Si.

It also has 98hp.
Where's your god now?

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>>16936769
This. Ugly as fuck, but a 3 door subcompact with a supercharger and Toyota reliability is a recipe for perfection.

>>16936758
BTFO
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>>16936711
>>16936684
>>16936664
>hurr the CX-5 is a high performance OFFROADER SUV because I SAID SO

>>16936758
Yet the mazda has higher performance than most the "hot hatches" posted
Really makes you think

>>16936757
>that fucking feel

>>16936775
Smartasses like this is why I always qualify it by saying Fit SI with the 1.5l turbo from the Civic.

Fuck you Honda, that's not a fucking SI.

>>16936782
Maximum Sperglord

>>16936775
All I want is for Honda to bring back the Fit Sport (or call it the Fit Si to keep it inline with the Civic) and give it more than 110 bhp like they did.
Could use more torque, too.

>>16936775
>they didn't put a k20z4 in it

JUST

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>>16936764
>They haven't made the current gen speed 3 yet
>yet

kek nigger it's not happening, we're looking at next gen at best.

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>>16936799
>give it more than 110 bhp
I'd say like 140hp, to compete with the Swift Sport.

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>>16936797
>being this assblasted

keep projecting bub, you have been eternally BTFO'd

>>16935100
>Exploded into a fireball literally seconds after this photo was taken

>>16935349
I'd say the pull at 4k on the speed3 makes up for its low early rev pull..

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>Hot hatches thread
>Giulietta Quadrifoglio always ignored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXJBx3eMB5U

This car has the same engine as the 4C goddamit

>>16936832
this red pinstripe meme HAS TO STOP

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>>16936842
>pinstripes

>>16936832
>not offered in the US

Stop reminding me this exists.

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>>16936842

>>16936852
>huehuehue

>>16936852
Shame that it looks so fucking retarded.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CbeY9w63b0&t=13s

talk me out of it brehs

>>16936842
it makes it go faster

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>>16936849

Be patient bro, the new RWD Giulietta based on Giorgio™ is not so far from us.

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>>16936852
i made some gifs, this car would spank every rwd car in its class and above.

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>>16936873
I will literally

LITERALLY

kill myself if we don't get that over here.

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they are making a newer better looking model, i prefer the look of the 1st gen but they got rid of the weird ass, i liked it.

>>16936871
>fiat

>>16936891
yeah breh I know but that sound

>>16936878
RenaultSport are fucking wizards when it comes to FWD.

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>>16936898
desu abarths are my guilty pleasure as well because of these aftermarket shifters.

i fucking want one senpai

>>16936898
>that sound
literally the only thing people talk about, IT'S A FIAT, literally buy anything else and put on aftermarket exhaust then you'll get the same thing and a car that won't breakdown every ten minutes

>>16936878
literally how

is there some kind of meme awd magic going on there or something

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>>16936871
Listen to the Record Monza Exhaust, you won't want a 595 Abarth with the standard base exhaust...EVER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRNWlVTUxq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZlzFWdOuyI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkU9ssm3dMc

bonus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eowzCCdYzLw

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TRIVIA: There's another exhaust less famous if you don't want the 4 pipes Record Monza: the Record Modena.

>>16936914
>being this delusional

Face it, the Italian cars have ALWAYS sounded better than every other car/engine 9 times on 10 since the car industry is a thing.

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>>16936873
how original, once again.

>>16936914
you don't understand breh, one test drive and it has ruined my life. I can't stop thinking about it even though I know it's an unreliable piece of italian garbage. ;~;

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>abarth in OP's pic
>No sign of the godly twingo 133 RS

Come on.

>>16936871
Fiesta ST is much better and a tad more then that piece of shit. Fiat has terrible reliability.

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>>16936924
1) It's a photoshop

2) The proportions for a sporty RWD hatchback are these

However, don't even start this argument.

Everytime an Alfa is posted there's the mentally ill Bmw faggot ruining the thread...it's absurd.

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>>16936917
jesus christ I just want to die

it's so fucking good

>>16936939
>T-jet engines
>Unreliable

Pick one and only one mememaster.

>>16936740
Like this one it's a sedan though. http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/4115/The-Blitz-Electronic-Supercharged-Toyota-Yaris.aspx

>>16936923
>calls me delusional
>is actually delusional
brah just stop. Always is a strong word. and only the Abarth sounds good compared to other cars that are STOCK. that's it though

>>16936927
merci

>>16936927
I forgot to mention; the group N exhaust

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iGubgvI23zo

It is pure sex
Also, why is the suzuki swift sport not in that list?

>>16936916
LSD between the front wheels, the rest is the renaults chassis being good.

>>16936947
F.I.A.T. = Fix it again Tony! Brands have stereotypes for a reason bucko

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>he thinks hot hatches are unarguably the best

My Mercedes would dismiss your unprecedented and profound faggotry.

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>>16936917
>The Abarth logo popping out

>>16936942
no, it's alfa shilling
Im not a fanboy of either brand, but alfa pasta is stale as fuck.

>>16936962
I was laughing at that too m8

>>16936925
Ever dated an Italian girl?
You know she's a mess, her family is crazy, and there's a good chance she'll break your shit - but you still want to marry that girl.

>>16936950
This is the stock sound with stock exhaust.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9tm7mZhDII

You can hear that the engine note is the same and it's good.

>>16936987
im dating an Italian right now and I can say this is 100% accurate never wanted to marry someone more. Although that doesn't transfer over to a hunk of shit car

>>16936987
>Ever dated a girl

h-haha yeah dude all the time...

>>16936950
>>16936988

Let's see what other maker offers!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9jvKaaz6Pw

1.4 TSI with fake sound actuators KEK

>German engineering

When even a rebadged Fiat Punto sounds better...well, it's time to be BTFO

>>16936988

That sounds like a fucking propane forklift.

>>16937015
wtf I love propane forklifts now

>>16937010
>posts Leon FR
>not Leon or Ibiza Cupra

>>16936998
>Although that doesn't transfer over to a hunk of shit car

Stop spreading bullshit memes you mongoloid.

Lease that fucking car and buy a warranty extension so you're covered for 4-5 years.

How are we supposed not to shill when y'all only talk with memes as your backup source?

>>16937010
I've looked for aftermarket exhausts for the Fiesta ST and Civic SI and GTI etc etc etc but absolutely nothing can touch the 500 Abarth. It's infuriating.

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>>16937028
>can't accept the truth that fiat is literally trash
sorry bud find out the hard way, also warranties cover nothing if the can find a way out.

>>16937026
...what?

The FR is just a trim of the same car (Leon) and the engine (1.4 TSI) is the principal opponent to the FCA 1.4 Multiair.

It doesn't matter where it is mounted, the sound is the same...the Ibiza at least doesn't have that synthetic sound faggotry.

If you insist, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXT52mrGw8g

Generic as fuck.

>>16937049
Can't accept the fact that you niggers only use Consumer Reports as source, because simply is a mongoloid report based on people satisfaction and perceptions.

Why in these reports tesla is constantly missing? It's been years since their cars are on sale, we all know that the Model S is badly built in the interior and had a lot of electronic problems...yet it's missing in CR charts, and you know why?

Because the owners of these cars simply don't matter and don't report their problems, because like Audi owners they don't want other people to know they bought the wrong car and therefore questioning their choices in life.

Also if Fiat were bad cars the Germans wouldn't have set up this garbage because they're afraid of a little 500 selling so well in their country:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVF1Wr7GLQ

>>16937042
That's because the entire engine has been engineered to sound like that and produce such an angry note, just like Alfa Romeo has always did with their cars...but yeah, Fiat garbage...

>>16937050
Ah, you're comparing engines, not cars. That makes sense I guess, although the FR versions aren't the "hot" versions of their respective models (unlike the Abarth).

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>no rwd hothatch
WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO DO?

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>>16937077

>>16937077
Because it kills trunk space. Also because manufacturers are fags.

>>16937086
it needs to be shorter

>>16937076
No, the "hot" models in Seat's house are called CUPRA.

>Leon Cupra
>Ibiza Cupra

Even the sound of the Leon Cupra (aka a Golf R) is pure shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voavixL2Msw

This is the stock Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde or Veloce from MY2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jGXtz_qIpw

>>16935385
Hello SVT friend, have you run into any of the part problems yet?

So far I've had 3 problems that have been a pain.

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>Bmw faggots on suicide watch as usual after being BTFO'd from the thread

>>16935062
are there any rwd hot hatches, current or otherwise?

I've looked and all i can find is fwd and awd ones

>>16937291
There's the BMW M135i, but I'm not sure if the US gets that one.
You're pretty much gonna have to wait for the next gen Giulietta.

>>16937298
>US won't get that one either
end my life

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>>16937291

>>16937311
That's a wagon you dip.

>>16935073
What the fuck is with you faggots and your nu male cuck shit all the time. Just speak fucking english when you're insulting people. Fucking cock gobbler.

>>16936942

the alfa looks disgusting m8

>>16937329
The photoshopped Alfa that doesn't exist?

>>16936849
It's also garbage, so just be glad nothing of value was lost, americucks.

>>16935062
How can something be practical if it can't go over a curb or median without its undercarriage eating it.

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i like my hatch :^)

>>16936925
Sounds like you'll regret it if you don't buy it.

>>16935826
>>16935834
>Golf R should be out
>Focus RS should be replaced with ST
>Type R should be gone and replaced with the Si
>Regular Mazda 3 should get da boot cause we ain't gettin a Speed3

>>16936806
mazda speeds just aren't gonna happen, it lowers average fuel consumption for their fleet and they don't sell as well as miatas and rx models, rx9 is the best performance car we are gonna see from mazda.

>>16935085

Actually the hatchback suffered from significantly worse chassis rigidity.

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Weekly reminder that Veloster mkII will pwn the entire hothatch segment.

Do the relatively new hot hatches ever go to the used market with reasonable miles or whatnot? you goys got any advice on buying one of the relatively "new" hot hatches and whatnot?

>>16940068
t. Gookberg mcTinydick

>>16940068
It was a mistake to make the first Veloster not fast.

>>16940096
it's just like any other car, although the price might be higher just because there's a tarbo. Advice, make sure it's not shit that's the only advice I can give with the information you've given me

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>>16935062
Not too hot, but certainly it deserves posting. Just look at those aesthetics.

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>>16937109
>wanting the front part of BMW to be shorter
>fucking BMW

Shittaste detected

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>>16940815
GTC is beautiful