/ORG/

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>comfy rolling

>>16920382
what toyota is this?

>>16920245
>toyota OP
>no suburban general
what are you, a racist?

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Hope you don't mind that I reposted your Saline Pic Xterra. It deserves being seen in the new thread.
Did you visit the hot springs in Saline?

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>>16920410
uh.. an american one?

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>>16920483
There are also some of the best petroglyphs in a canyon that I keep secret on the route you took.
These very large birds are just an example. There is so much else there to be explored . . .

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>>16920485
>buying a toyota not made by nips

>>16920245
Where is tayburb?

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>>16920511
Oh damn, I missed out on those. Were they in that canyon that the road goes towards and then nopes out on? We hit all three hot springs. Uppermost ones were nice but people got weeeeeird at the lowest.

Pic is pretty typical of the road. Fun crawling. Wish I had more time but I'm a Utahrd so It's a long ways away.

>>16920612
he drives a ranger you faggot

>burbfags pls just go already

>>16920642
That's not what I asked.

>yotafags pls just go already

>>16920680
>implying i like toyota
>implying what you asked even made sense
>implying youre not a faggot

>>16920698
Where the fuck is tayburb you yotacunt

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>>16920720
but anon
i am taybro

>>16920741
No you're not. You don't have a "y" intentionally placed in your photo name.

GTFO summerfag.

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Rolling comfy on the job.

>>16921008
What TAYoda is that

>>16920741
>fake tayburb
what has /ORG/ become?

>>16921012
S&S LMTV.

>>16921029
>>16921008
What's the difference between the three cabs? Standard, armored, and IED resistant?

>>16921062
Couldn't tell you, I'm driving a standard for a civilian government agency.

>>16920485
thats a cute doggo

>>16921073
Well that's boring.

>he's not even getting shot at

>>16921095
I'm getting paid to go wheeling in a quarter million dollar truck that can go anywhere.

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>>16921082
thanks m8

>>16921101
But you don't get to shoot terrorists.

>that can go anywhere.
Careful, yotafags will say it's too big.

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>>16920245
>not posting anon's shop cat

>>16921125
>it's only big relatively to the moon lad, so your argument is invalid

You guys are as bad as the yota kind

>>16922812
>it's only big relatively to the moon lad
What in the fuck are you talking about?

>>16921143
Cute Kot, anon.

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Towed my friend's VW buggy to El Mirage dry lake yesterday. The lake itself was closed but it was still fun to drive around on all the empty trails.

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>>16924553

>>16920595
>buying a toyota

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>>16924591
projecting much fuccboi

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We Lexus now.

Sorry for the existence of the roads but I've been too busy to test out the lockers offroad. ):

But it's here and it's got a leak in the gas tank!

>>16920741
You're not me.
I'm you.

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>>16921008
>>16921029
>>16921062
I can spot a Steyr dashboard from a mile away! Is that an old 90s?

Also to answer your question, the light medium off road vehicles are for troop support. They don't have much armour or armour mounts and are for easy towing by the medium logistics vehicles which are for tank support.

The heavy logistic vehicles have 15tonne hitch capacity which can actually tow like 50 tonnes making around 950 ft lb torque. They are for armoured division maintenance and are able to tow treaded vehicles and fully lift them. They're the only ones in the Steyhr logistics vehicles that can be armoured with IED protection, IIRC.

Unles they've put out new models in the past 5 years?

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And they said my nerf bars wouldn't protect shit.

>>16925669
Who said that?

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>>16925689
someone, I don't remember, we got in a conversation a few months ago when someone posted their yota with nerf bars and we were talking about how shit they are compared to true rockers when it comes to taking hits. Granted I didn't put all the wieght on these but it would have for sure bent up to my tub if it did.

>>16924572
So ugly it's cute. I want a VW baja bug or something

>>16925740
Well, that person's an idiot. As long as the bracket off the chassis is strong enough (which it should be), you should be able to jacket the entire side of the vehicle off the ground from those sliders.

>>16925740
Is it possible to mod suspension so the leaf spring will be at the top of axle, not the bottom? Looks like it will give a lot of ground clearance.

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>>16925800
yeah, that's known as spring over axle, that does offer more clearance. It's a little harder than a regular lift because you have to cut and weld on new leaf spring mounts. Plus with a vehicle with more power, you can get axle wrap on your springs

>>16925800
>>16925825
Yeah. The Canadian LSVWs have that and are incredibly uncomfortable as a result.

Those and (I think) the Suzuki Samurai are the only vehicles I can think of that have that design. They're just incredibly uncomfortable and therefore aren't really made much for the civilian market.

>>16925825
>>16925845
Why would anyone even want leaf springs on their suv? I just don't get what was going through the heads of jackasses who designed those suspensions. Like... lets fuck up their ride comfort, suspension travel and safety for... for what exactly?

>>16925845
a lot of pick up trucks with rear leaf springs come like that. It's like manufacturers have no idea it exists. Spring under is far superior, it protects steering components, and honestly, once you had lockers and a fairly large tire you need it to be underneath if you don't have anti wrap bars which would just defeat the purpose of the spring under clearance.

An exception would be like on the toyota pick ups, they just have the little 2.4l 4 cyl that won't torque around the axles. Or any under powered vehicles.

>>16925897
reliability, strength, and cost effectiveness. They can also be designed to hold a ton more weight then a coil or air shock. Such as why they are on suv's and trucks.

>>16921103
>>16920485

is the blue heeler's energy as bad as everyone says? That's the only thing keeping me from getting one.

>>16925913
>reliability, strength, and cost effectiveness
So basically poorfag's choice.
>be designed to hold a ton more weight
That's like exactly what one would want to do in his wrangler or samurai!

I get leaf springs on the rear axles of trucks, yes, they carry loads and shit. But what retard thought it would be a good idea to put them on all axles of small offroaders.

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>>16925956
>>16925897
Flex. They have a bit better flex compared to coils of the same length. The problem is that once they get too tall, they take up too much length to be worth it on samurais or wranglers.

However, once you're past like 38s, they no longer become that much better or cheaper. Besides, most people who go above 35s have the money for coils and 11 different shocks anyway.

>poorfag's choice
yes.

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>>16925501
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Anyone have a late 90's/early 2000's Blazer? Been wanting to get into the off road meme and they seem really affordable in my area.

>>16925956
I don't know. Honestly. It all comes down to cheapness in the end though. Because manufacturing coil suspension is harder.

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>>16925969
Now this is one of the most retarded brotrucks i've seen.

>Flex. They have a bit better flex compared to coils of the same length.
Nah, mang, not buying that. They do hold load better, but not the flex. Unless leafs are thing and skinny, but then they don't hold load any better than spring coils.

>>16925992
>Unless leafs are thing and skinny, but then they don't hold load any better than spring coils.
this is how people did samurai and cj-7 lifts for cheap back in the 2000s

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>>16925992
>>16925969
they have worse flex. Coils have better down travel and spring rate tune ability. But leafs are fucking amazing for modding already leafed vehicles for stretching wheel bases on the cheap, or lifting on the cheap.

for exampl. you can swap STOCK jeep wrangler yj springs onto a suzuki samurai for a small amount of lift, and to stretch the wheel base for basically 3 hundred bucks. And get a ton more flex.

why aren't portal axles a bigger thing

>>16926021
Cost and complexity.

It's another set of gears you have to worry about

>>16926021
expensive as hell, and not very well known or widely produced for a bunch of different axle types. I would love to get some and put 35's on my jeep without upgrading axles, but they just don't make them. Plus think about how custom they would have to be to fit different steering and axles for different vehicles.

On a recent DED episode fred williams put portal axles on a dana 60/80 I forget which one, but heres the episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KZPlwvaNR8 skip around to find them

>>16925529
wtf why is there a lexus in /org/? go back to /tg/

>>16926038
goto 2 minutes in for portal axles

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is leaf springs vs. coil springs the new ifs vs. sfa

I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF

>>16926045
kys

>>16925956
>So basically poorfag's choice
So, to drop the poor fag status you have to spend more on a less effective item?
>>16925992
>Nah, mang, not buying that.
One of the biggest benefits of leaves is they have a more constant spring rate and travel under a broader range of loadings. Without the aid of an adjustable airbag (which introduces a new set of problems), a coil spring rate won't cope with such variables, progressive or not, any where near as well as a leaf.
And FYI, the leaf sprung Jeeps and Suzukis you speak of have long been coil suspended (in all but the most obscure commercial applications) once coil technology was more proven from a reliability perspective.

>>16926072
unlike IFS, there is no advantage for leaf springs other than cost when offroading (weight capacity aside, of course)

>>16925992
well when it comes to vehicles under 35 inch tyres, you can either upgrade leaf springs for $500 or spend $3000 to upgrade coils. Or you can spend $3500 to upgrade coils and reach 38+ inch tyres.
sure the coils will be "better" but for the price differential, there's no point.

>>16926078
what weight is a jeep or samurai undergoing when rock crawling? other than the weight of your wallet.

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>>16925501
When are you bringing it stateside? I'll supply the beer...

>>16926091
>what weight is a jeep or samurai undergoing when rock crawling
You completely missed the point I was making. I was making the point that the mentioned vehicles were leaf sprung at a time when simplicity was king, and relatively unproven technologies offered more pitfalls than rewards. Same reason Landrovers and Landcruisers were once leaf, then progressed to coils.
>there is no advantage for leaf springs other than cost when offroading
And consistent repetitive performance. It also removes the requirement for suspension links/arms.

>>16926140
>You completely missed the point I was making.
so i did. thanks for explaining it better. i was agreeing with you regarding "cost", then
>It also removes the requirement for suspension links/arms.
yes it does. hence simplicity and cost.

but my other point still stands: if you had $10 000+ to spend on an upgrade, leaf springs past 38 inches would not be advisable.

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>>16925915
theyre very energetic dogs, if you can dedicate an hour or more of actual play a day for the first few years theyre pretty good and calm down a lot.
but part of getting them to calm down is they either need a job at home or to go with you wherever you go and to be mentally engaged to be happy.
and to keep them from getting destructive as pups they just need to have mentally engaging toys and time with you
she chills out really well on leash or with the saddlebags on but if you turn her loose in the woods she'll just go play all day.

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>>16925529
Obviously there's the unarmored variant, but there's also two different armored variants.

>>16926091
>unlike IFS, there is no advantage for leaf springs other than cost when offroading
But a leaf sprung SFA has more travel than double wishbone IFS. How is that not an advantage? And what advantage does the IFS have?

>>16926021
Because in theory they're perfect to armchair offroaders.

In reality there's a LOT of cons that some with them and it's nearly impossible to justify those cons for the cost when you can just run larger tires instead.

>>16926283
1. we're comparing SFA to SFA leaf springs to SFA coils. i still don't see any advantage to SFA leaf springs other than their enormous price advantage.

2. independent suspension has the benefit of desert running. solid axles have the benefit of being better on all other terrain.

>>16926266
to my knowledge, steyr didn't make any of the armoured LMTVs for Canada. prove me wrong, but i just haven't seen any in ontario.
the general consensus on light medium vehicles is that they're support for infantry who would rather carry the extra weight in terms of cargo / trailers than in armour. this is why nothing but the heavy logistics vehicles are really armoured. this is also why there are armour mounts on the AVGP caterpillars. if they're doubling as innafield logistics vehicles, they want to use the extra weight for the field antennas or comms instead of 2 tonne anti-anti-material armour that is constantly attached.

>>16926250
What kind of jobs do you mean? Not sure how I could keep her occupied since I live in a house in a suburbian neighborhood.

I might go with my second choice. GSD.

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>>16926326
they need to have a yard or something to protect or some other animals to look over, ie not locked up all day.
dont get a GSD if you dont have a lot of time, they get neurotic/destructive if understimulated

>>16926355
I have time, but not blue heeler time. I've been told by various people that a GSD is a good middle ground

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>>16926371
id look for something more independent and self sufficient personally, might not be a big doggo but its no good for you or the dog if you cant provide the care needed.
i bring mine to work with me some times if the gf isnt around too

>>16926316
>steyr didn't make any of the armoured LMTVs for Canada
Who cares about Canadia?

>>16926316
Is this taynigger from onterrible?
Are you serving in the forces or do you just autistically follow the army around?

>>16926495
>or do you just autistically follow the army around?
*autistic screeching*

>>16926481
Well. Canadia didn't have armoured LMTVs and I tried giving a valid reason as to why.

>>16926495
Kinda both. I used to be an aerofaggot until my love of sleep overtook my love of airplanes. Plus I always was looking at the ground vehicles.

[spoiler] I probably wouldn't have enlisted out of high school anyways but I'm just making excuses, heh [/spoiler]

I did do some contracted jobs with two bases in Onterrible a few times over the past two years. So it's nice just to see their military reserve fleet out of CFBs around southern Ontario.

>pic related
>the current g-wagen fleet from like the 90s
>THEY'RE ON LEAFS, GUISE.
leaf army on front and rear leaf suspension

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>>16926556
Oops. Forgot the picc

G-wagens on leaf suspension. Muh leaf army.

>>16926400
I suppose. I really want a big doggo tho :(

Bomp

>>16926847
You really want some big D in your life, don't you??

Best 4 door pickup to make an overlander rig out of?

>decent mileage/range
>small enough for trails
>big enough for gear and 3-4 people
>can haul dirtbikes without towing
>high reliability motor with decent power
>decent aftermarket
>not ridiculously expensive for the year

>>16929656
2nd or 3rd gen 4runner

>>16929709
>pickup
>can haul dirtbikes without towing
>4runner
Bruh...

>>16929751
Okay, Tacoma

>>16930063
Frontier is just as good if not better for less money.

>>16925969
Wireless propshafts?

>>16925982
Go with a 5.3 trailblazer

>>16930063
>>16930256
>4 people
Yeah, no.

>>16930478
Pretty much same size as the taco.

If the frontier cant fit 4 people neither can a taco.

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Having rocksliders fitted to my truck this sunday, gonna make driving over rocks not so stressful

>>16930631
Neither of them are going to fit 4 people in anything close to what could be considered comfortable.

>>16929656
>decent mileage/range
Please define. Decent could be 15/200 or could be 30/600

>small enough for trails
Please define. For most trails this could simply mean "Not an RV" while for a very select few you could be limited to a Wrangler or at least need bumpers and sliders.

>big enough for gear and 3-4 people
How much gear? 4 people limits you to a crew cab but if you stick to 3, don't have much gear, and you don't like the 3rd person then you can squeeze by with an extended cab.

>can haul dirtbikes without towing
How many dirtbikes? Is this going to be separate trips or do you need the vehicle to do all of this at once? Dirtbikes OR gear is easy. Dirtbikes AND gear is a bit harder.

>high reliability motor with decent power
>decent aftermarket
Both of these are easy to find. Aftermarket might steer you away from the Frontier.

>not ridiculously expensive for the year
Well that throws the Tacoma out the window.

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>>16930671
Yeah. That's a good idea

Peep the piece of granite propping up muh trucc by the skid.

>>16930478
>tfw
>10 hr car ride with 4 people in this Ferd Randy
Surprisingly comfortable as long as the back two people don't mind having a foot in a crotch.

>>16930256
>Frontier is just as good

Can we get a handler in here to corral this retard?

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>>16931062
Well I would. But we banned wranglers a while back, didn't we?

>>16931081
Damn...

I miss big red.

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What does /org/ think about my 93 Ranger?

4.0L V6
5 speed manual
Manual t-case
manual hubs
leveling kit
8.8" rear axle
Dana 35 TTB front axle

>>16931062
05+ frontiers have a better motor, better frame, better trans, and stronger suspension than equivelent years tacos.

And because the frontier uses pretty much a slimmed down titan frame all the titan suspension bits essentially bolt right up with minimal effort. People use titan control arms for cheap frontier mid travel kits all the time.

Aftermarket isnt as fuckhuge as it is for the tacoma but it is there and you can buy pretty much anything you need off the shelf for a frontier.

>>16931104
did you have to flip the leaf mounting points?

>>16930795
>well it depends on what you mean...
>about everything
>incapable of just making a decision and giving an answer on the information given

Know how I know you'll never make it to any sort of management level for anything?

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Can i join your thread?

>>16931295
You're judging me for not making a decision until I receive further information on a message board in which the question was not time sensitive, but not for him about asking us to make a decision for him with vague criteria that have no meaning.

>Know how I know you'll never make it to any sort of management level for anything?
I already am and I'm tossing around the idea of starting a business? If I were to ask someone how much material we need and they reply with "a lot" or "a little" I'm going to call them a fucking retard and tell them to give me a number.

>>16931352
No matter what McDonald's tells you, "shift leader" isn't management.

>>16931327
Yeah, sure.
Those subbies are [spoiler]un[/spoiler]surprisingly capable.

>>16931368
Shh. Don't be petty, anon.

>>16931426
Better than the Ram 1500 in the background

>>16931368
So you don't want the question to be less vague. Either you want to give an exact answer (and thus inaccurate guess) based on vague criteria, or you want to give a vague answer that doesn't tell him anything more than he already knew.

Or under this particular circumstance, there's also the possibility you're a fanboy that just wants him to buy whatever it is you like and you don't care about his criteria.

>haven't worked in the food industry since a summer job in high school
>make more than double minimum wage even after taxes
Keep projecting, kiddo.

>>16931473
Just by virtue of it literally being half its weight. I bet if you put solid axles on the subarus and they could be very, very good offroaders.

Why you would do it is another question, though...

>>16926400
You are living the fucking life.

>>16931159
Nope, just a day star leveling kit. that was all.

>>16931352
>but not for him about asking us to make a decision for him with vague criteria that have no meaning.
Plenty of information was provided to provide a meaningful response. you just went full pedantic autismo retard and tried to pick apart every detail for no reason other than autism.

> If I were to ask someone how much material we need and they reply with "a lot" or "a little"
Actual quantities and riteria were given you fucking twat.

>>16930795
>decent mileage/range
Everyone knows what truck mileage is. Typically less than 20mpg and usually in the mid to low 15mpg range. Trucks also have pretty standardized gas tanks.

Obviously enough information was given in this criteria to infer something in the 15-20mpg+ range with a 16+ gallon tank. Y're retarded ass couldn't figure this out?

>lease define. For most trails this could simply mean "Not an RV"
It's clear you've never done any significant offroading in your life.

There is a huge difference between trails you can easily do in a full size truck and trails you can do in a small and midsize pickup.

>big enough for gear and 3-4 people
3-4 people does not mean "three people in an extended cab". It means 3 people or 4 people. Meaning enough room to take 3 people with the possibility of fitting 4 people. Your response was full fucking retard.

>>can haul dirtbikes without towing
If you cannot understand a criteria as simple as "can haul dirtbikes without towing" you're fucking hopeless.

>>16931480
You are the very fucking definition of a worthless pedantic asshole.

>>16931480
I'm actually the third option. I'm in actual management, had nothing to do with your conversation, but felt compelled to call you out for pretending to be important.
You're not, btw.

>>16929656
You want either a midsize "1/4ton" or half ton crew cab. A 4' short box crew cab is big enough to fit a couple dirt bikes with the tail gate down. And I'd chuck a rooftop tent over the cab for touring purposes. I reckon a midsize like a Colorado or Tacoma is big enough for me if I was doing similar.
Other than that >>16931480 this. That's a pretty vague set of prerequisites without even a suggested price range.

>>16931759
>>16931770
>>16931826
How and why did you get so mad over literally nothing?

>>16931759
>Typically less than 20mpg and usually in the mid to low 15mpg range. Trucks also have pretty standardized gas tanks.
>Obviously enough information was given in this criteria to infer something in the 15-20mpg+ range with a 16+ gallon tank.
So... 90% of trucks.
That really narrows it down. Someone coming from an 82 F250 that gets 8mpg on the highway might define "decent economy" differently than someone in a 2000s econobox that gets 40+.>>16931759

>It's clear you've never done any significant offroading in your life.
I've have you know I've done much "significant offroading"

Most trails are perfectly fine for fullsize trucks, especially the trails you're likely to take an overland/expedition vehicle down and then expect it to get you back home 700 miles away. If he plans on doing some specific trails where fullsize trucks are known to have trouble, then that could throw a full size out the window, narrowing the search by a large margin.

>Meaning enough room to take 3 people with the possibility of fitting 4 people.
The only thing that would throw out is a single cab. How much gear you have that needs to be kept dry and whether or not you need that gear and room for a 4th person at the same time could potentially eliminate all extended cab options, narrowing down the search.

>If you cannot understand a criteria as simple as "can haul dirtbikes without towing" you're fucking hopeless.
You can throw 1-2 dirtbikes on a rack on the back of an SUV to extend interior space while saving on wheelbase. You can't do that with 3-4.

They're really easy questions that can take potential vehicles down from thousands to a few dozen, making the search a lot easier. Why are you so opposed to them being asked?

>>16931759
>Obviously enough information was given in this criteria to infer something in the 15-20mpg+ range with a 16+ gallon tank

15mpg with a 16 gallon tank is 240 miles. That's pretty pathetic. If he went out of his way to mention range I'd think he wants more than the bare minimum. For reference, maximum range for a 6.5 Suburban is around 950 miles, 5.7 is around 750 miles.

I've never had an issue with my fullsize that a midsize would have solved but mine is quite a bit smaller than most fullsize pickups.

>>16926072

Leaf sprung SFA Master Race reporting.

>>16931725
oh, so its the poverty tier 28 spline axle's? sorry i thought you swapped in a god tier exploder axle.

>>16931906
You really don't even need to be miffed to call a McDonald's shift leader a bullshiter after they pretend to matter.

Anon with the spare TJ gas tank skid, have you measured it yet? I've been away from these threads for a while.

>>16932386
>projecting that someone is pretending to matter
>projecting that they don't matter
>projecting their employer and position
You've got to be pretty mad.

>>16932108
Eh, the 11mpg the suburban gets isn't that bad. Around $85/week for fill ups

>>16931104
Best feature is all that mudd.

>>16931538
Yeah. Anyone who says size and weight don't matter off road should look at what people do with stock or near stock Volkswagen Beetles. Looking at you suburban fags.

>>16933529
>look at what people do with stock or near stock Volkswagen Beetles.
Pretty much nothing.

A lot of beetles on custom suspension bombing around the desert, but you can do that with pretty much anything. It really doesn't say anything of the vehicle's capability.

>>16933551
>this gayboy doesn't race class 11

>>16931104
Nice. Solid swaps are great. Same thing with the manual hubs and manual transfer case so you'll never have to worry about it being stuck in 2wd or 4wl.
also that little valence just hanging off a bit... heh. i miss my old bumper and the games of "find the valence" we would play whenever we mud.

>>16933529
>Anyone who says size and weight don't matter off road should look at what people do with stock or near stock Volkswagen Beetles.
Holy fuck you you guys are obsessed with small vehicles. You can play in the desert with literally anything. It doesn't mean they're special.

>>16933529
Light helps a lot, but imo it's over rated. My brother has a 90 yota P/U (ur-Tacoma), and it weighs under 3000 lbs since the body work is falling off, but my almost twice as heavy diesel K5 will go anywhere he can go that it isn't literally too wide for (well, he also can be a little more aggressive in mud) but on rock or logs or in the sand, my better geometry and better vehicle control skills mean I'm always pulling him out and not the other way around.

And it's not like I've got a better power to weight ratio.

In descending order of importance (IMO):
Flex
Absolute weight
Power to weight
Tire
Ground clearance
Width
Lockers
Gearing
Breakover
Approach and departure
Width (only applicable for tight trails)
Balls
Skill

Yeah, Suburbans are big, but even in a park, it'll shock you what someone with chops can do with one, and there are obstacles where the wheelbase is an asset. And for taking a trail to a camp? Piece of cake.

>>16933666
>skill is the least important part of the vehicle
skill is not part of the vehicle. you can't compare "skill" to "width" but you can compare everything else on that chart to each other.

skill should be in its own separate category

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>>16931352
>>16931368
>>16931759
>>16931906
>>16932386
>>16932415

>>16934078
>anon 1 asks for vehicle advice with vague criteria

>anon 2 asks anon 1 make that slightly less vague so as to offer better suggestions

>this angers anon 3 so he gets mad and accuses anon 2 of working at McDonalds and being worthless and tells him he's not important and will never amount to anything while accusing him of pretending to be important and bullshitting

Makes no fucking sense.

>>16934115
>anon 1 asks for vehicle advice
>anon 2 is cripplingly autistic
>anon 3 gets irrationally angry because he too is cripplingly autistic

>>16934115
>There's 3 anons, not 2
Now it makes somewhat sense.

Doesn't make it any less stupid though.

>>16920245
So I recently got bbys first 4WD and came across those bed tents while rabbit holing camping and such.
How are they?
I'm not a hardcore camper or anything. Just looking into the occasional getaway to the mountains/beach for relaxing and shooting things.

>>16934526
They're great. Allows you to keep the cargo space for, er, cargo without having to empty to car to sleep in it.

>>16925982
Yeah, a dedicated trail rig one. Completely stock.

Seeing as a good condition 4wd s10 blazer can be had for 1k it isn't upsetting to completely thrash the blazer.

The 4.3 is gutless, the vacuum actuator is extremely fragile, and the 4l60e doesn't like abuse.

The limited slip rear end is garbage too.

>>16935533
Is there a benefit of doing lsd on the trails vs live?

>>16935678
What are you even asking?

>>16932341
Nope, it's the stock 28 spline, it's less than ideal but it's better than the 7.5"

Trucks with the 4.0 Cologne all had 8.8 rear axles

>>16933567
Yeah, manual everything has been a godsend and helps me out with gas in the city. I get close to 22 on the highway with the hubs.

>>16935843
Live axles vs limited slip, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlCxj3-LhU


super neato

>>16936089
That question makes no sense.

Live axles and limited slip differentials are not mutually exclusive and dont have really anything to do with each other other than one being a mechanical component of the other.

You can have a limited slip live axle, or limited slip IRS, or an open differential live axle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdhPdEIc7-M

>>16936482
Iunno. I was just trying to figure it out, senpai.

>>16938494
>>16936089
Sounds like you're either confusing live axles with an open diff, or a limited slip diff with an independent suspension.
What exactly are you asking here >>16935678?

Are KC apollo 75W fog lights street legal?

>>16938819
I'm a different anon and trying to help you help him understand this, too.

Why is this thread so fucking dead?!
>>16938897
No.

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>>16939712
>Why's the thread dead?
My bet is the fighting. Wanna fight about it?

>>16920245
>https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=2389619
wow I live really close to some of you guys. that's cool.
I'm not really experienced in off road driving at all but I'm thinking about possibly getting into it in the future
just checkin it out here, so hi

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>client 2.5 hours out
>wake up at 7am
>brew a coffee
>enough time to drive in a straight line and take a backroad
>driving east at 7am and overcast with light fog
>get to drive without two sunglasses on
>window slightly cracked
>cruise 10 under the speed limit to minimise wind noise
>get to take the back roads and talk to farmers about maple syrup production for an hour
we comf today

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Hey its me. That retard lifting a 2wd Nissan hardbody. Here's an update.
>grabbed an LSD out of a pathfinder
>cleaned it up and welded on all the brackets
>ordered 2' feet of round stock uwpe plastic for a high class diy body lift.
>low as fuck gearing + stock tires I don't care about + LSD = burnouts everywhere until I get the body lifted and new tires put on and top speed lowered to 65

>>16940680
why

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>>16940691
Something to do on the weekends. I have a workshop and I live really close to a junk yard so it really doesn't cost anything.

Anybody here?

>>16941095
no kys

>>16941450
I already did. Being dead is a lot like being in 4chan.

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>>16940570
>pull into driveway just as "Speak Now" album ends
>voice hoarse from screaming along to album
we comf today

expect for the fact that I lose a hub cap and splintered the other 3. Note to self: never run +25 PSI on rocky trails. Especially when the mud is coming down from the snow runoff

i also have the broken back window from the frame flex... ):

also:
>tfw last time snow rolling
>plow through a large virgin patch of snow
>vehicle drips ice and snow for 2 hours afterwards
>going above 90 on the highway makes the vehicle rock back and forth
I ended up fixing the vehicle rocking by going into a pizza place for an hour.

>>16941095
sup

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oh and i saw this concept on a jeep submission today.

i think this is the only concept vehicle that has ever made me get goosebumps and pray for its existence

2nd gen Isuzu Trooper (3 door)
2nd gen Mitsubishi Shogun/Pajero (3 door)
1st or 2nd gen Suzuki Vitara (3 door)
Suzuki Jimny

I'm pretty sure I can get a fairly decent, high mileage example of one of the above cars for around 1500-2000 squid. Which one would be my best bet as a reliable daily driver that's tolerable on the roads?

I am falling for the meme and getting a K2500 burban. Should i get the barn doors or not? Planning to do a build involving air lockers

>>16939796
That's an interesting lift. Who makes it, and what's the model?

>>16920595
Does that Mopar really look like a Toyota to you?

Even the Non-Nip Nissan in the background isn't a Toyota.

>>16942355
>Suzuki Jimny
by far the least tolerable on the roads, will probably be the most capable off road though and will get the best mpg.
the vitara is kind of shit and the pajero is going to be more robust than the trooper (which is still an ok vehicle though.)
imo you should narrow it down to the pajero and jimny.
the pajero will be more comfortable, have more room and be a better overland vehicle. the jimny will be smaller, shittier on road but will get better mpg.
choose the one of those two that meets your intended use better.

>>16942750
Buy a 3.5+ litre 6 cylinder truck and toss the Jimny in the bed

>>16942280
Fender flares and a body cladding delete with a small lift and new paint.

>>16942874
to make it realistic, body cladding is "imporant" for modern SUVs. delet this yourself

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>>16943009
>body cladding is "imporant" for modern SUVs

>>16943101
look at all modern SUVs and tell me it isn't "imprtant" for resale

it's how life is

>>16943121
>worrying about the resale on a heep cherokee
wtf? thats not exactly a good reason to buy one. these things basically tank in value immediately. the only jeep that really holds value is the wrangler. worry about the extra potential $150 in resale you just lost from making it more capable is completely retarded

>>16943145
sorry. i meant for general sale. like they won't fit into the modern suv market otherwise.

good god i am way too drunk on a sunday afternoon

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>>16943155

>>16943155
the amount of alcoholism in these threads is astounding

>>16943155
is this blue land cruiser guy?

>>16943189
or is this?

>>16943214
:T

>>16943009
>>16943121
What the fuck are you even talking about? I was just pointing out what was done to it. The body is a stock ZJ.

>>16943248
And I was just pointing out why it needs to remain in order to sell on the SUV market today.

>>16943263
But it doesn't. Body cladding was a lot more popular in the 90s than it is now.

Plastic valances are popular now, but we don't have plastic body cladding coming half way up the door anymore.

>>16942355
Trooper and Trooper

>>16942280
>concept

It's a fucking ZJ with a photoshopped paint job, a lift and tires. How underage are you that you don't recognize that vehicle?

>>16943355
that's a type of concept

>>16943355
The paint job isn't photoshopped. It's not so much a concept as a fun project for some guys at Jeep to fuck around with a 93 ZJ they bought on CL. The Jeep is real, but it's photoshopped into that location.

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>>16943355
>throwing a tantrum over something so insignificant
wow
lol

>>16943954
remember that guy who asked for clarification on a question??

>>16944022
How fucking dare you ask for clarification on a vague question. You know how I know you'll never make manager? Because you ask for verification. Real managers take a wild uneducated guess and enforce it upon everyone else with an iron fist. You work at McDonalds and will NEVER amount to anything. I'm calling you on your bullshit. Stop pretending to be important you worthless excuse of a human.

>>16944053
Did you buy a samurai and not have it work out?

>>16944291
Bought a shitbox deathtrap sammy after someone here recommended it and somehow managed to trade it away before the wind blew it over on the highway to some idiot for his suburban which is a thousand times better.

>>16944395
>highway driving with the samurai
well there was your problem. if i ever bought a samurai, i'd probably load it into the bed of my Ranger in order to use it anywhere offroad.

also to be fair, this is /org/

>>16944424
The gutless piece of shit was shit off the road too. With it weighing as much as a golf cart and not having any power, you don't have to worry about digging down too far in sand or mud because it doesn't have the power to spin the tires. I'll gladly take this burban, deal with a few dents from trees and be careful not to dig myself in if I get into anything sloppy.

>>16944446
I've had so much fun in old samurais. I get what you're saying about the engine but the weight difference is something really rare in road legal vehicles which really helps it offroad.

>>16944477
They shouldn't be road legal to start with.

>>16943218
this>>16943189
was me. how did you even know that
ill kill u

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>>16944512
I'll attempt to kill you but just end up shooting your truck.

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>>16944714

any of you shitheads have any experience with the Nitto Ridge Grappler?

I'm currently on 35x12.50R20 Toyo R/Ts, going up to a 37x12.50 and was just going to buy the R/T again because I like them, but everyhing is creaming themselves over the Ridge Grappler. however I have yet to see a set in person. I need something with moderate off-road capability and strong sidewalls because it's rocky as shit here, but I also spend lots of time in snow and on the highway so I need something that's capable and comfortable in all conditions and I think the KO2 is overrated, not to mention it doesn't come in a 37.

so anywho. any thoughts on the Ridge Grappler or anything else to consider? must be available in 37x12.50R20.

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How difficult would it be to drop the front diff and install 4.10 gears. Its a TTB. The reason I want 4.10 is because I can get a bigger diff for the rear out of an explorer that comes with a 4.10 so it would be much cheaper to do the whole swap. I plan on running 33s

I plan on making this into an overlander. Its pretty fun driving it on back roads and the woods.

>>16945947
For that purpose, if you want a KO2 competitor I'd be looking at either Mickey Thompson ATZs or Cooper ST Maxx.
I like my Mickey Ts personally.

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>Get out of work
>Run to the mall to renew license plate tags
>DMV closed, no reason
>FUUUUUUUUUUU.jpeg
>Leave mall, get back in Murphy
>Start er up, put in gear, get ready to leave
>Guy running up to driver's door.
>Load up I_have_no_change.mp3
"Nice truck anon! Is that a 6.5?"
>Guy has a '99 extended cab long box 6.5.
>Spend hour in parking lot talking about 6.5 PMD relocation options.
MFW I'm not the only 6.5 autist out there.

On a side note, can anyone redpill me on the Halogen vs LED vs HID argument on fog/auxiliary lights? I try to research the points made here and come up with nothing. Only thing I can find is FAA research into pilots reporting LED navigation/landing lights are much more visible in incliment weather. I found another paper from the NC DOT saying the same.

On the subject of lighting, I reckon this Video's a good watch;
http://www.fyrlyt.com/
Sure, you could see it as blowing their own whistle, but I kind of share their view.
I'd personally prefer to run high wattage Halogens, second to 4200k (at the highest) HIDs. I don't mind LEDs as long as they're a low intensity designed for a good close range spread, as I reckon LED "driving lights" or high intensity lightbars have an awful ability to not only make the foreground incredibly bright, but also wash out the area the light's focused on in a way that makes it harder to make out contrasts (I believe it's similar reasons yellow tint glasses are great for snow or light coloured sand driving on a bright sunny day).
Disclaimer; that's my opinion, but I think that LED driving lights are a meme with an awful lot of momentum. I concede that the lightbars represent fantastic value for money in terms of "bang for buck", and depending on personal preference can make for a neater, more space efficient install.
Love to hear other opinions on the subject.

>>16946544
In regards to fog lights I think it was discussed in an earlier thread that LEDs simply don't have the penetration as the blue light is quicker to bounce off the fog itself.

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>>16946544
>6.5 autist
what did he mean by this?

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>>16946813
r u nu?

>>16946832
Yeah but why autist
aren't 6.5s common as fuck?

>>16946544
>makes a post about literal all crawling
>hurr tell me how i can get the most XTREEEM fog lights

kys faggot fuck.

>>16946096
i am never too busy to shitpost anywhere. All my job sites have computers at them so I get to cuck myself every. single. day. :^)

>>16946054
Year? 33s should be the maximum you can fit in the torsion bar'd Rangers without changing much. Rear end is a different story.

>>16946544
>>16946655
blue shifted light (low-heat LEDs) scatter too much when there are water molecules in abundance. get fog lights that are warm to the touch

led driving lights are annoying as fuck because of their glare. these are one of the things i wish were actually illegal. just so they stop comming stock on a lot of vehicles.

>>16946863
>>16946655
I think this promo gives a good idea of how much of a contrast washout you get with LED driving lights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddOwBApX0sI

>>16946887
Those LEDs are re-engineered to shit in order to provide a redshift that you don't find on other LED bars (chinkshit or regular). By evidence of the way that glare comes up over the horizon (I know nothing about cameras so maybe this point isn't too valid) and of the fact that it needs a heat sink, it's most likely that there are some redshifted LEDs mixed into the lights or they are all shifted themselves.
Also because of their supposed pattern, I'd guess these are completely illegal on road unfortunately.

Anyway, the whole point is that these aren't your normal run of the mill LED light bars. Which, by the way, would be fine in Australian and Californian terrain due to their lack of fog in most cases inland.

>>16946898
Even without fog in the equation, I still think that 5000+k LEDs and HIDs are far from optimum. With the Australian example, try spotting a brown kangaroo in the scrub with red dirt up the sides of the highway and you'd get the idea. I still don't think you can go past a large reflector housing and a low temp HID or high output halogen.
I'll admit I've never used a high end LED driving light, and have never witnessed the ARB lights IRL as opposed to on camera (which may make them look less favourable).

I think the shills for Fyrlyt have some good points even taking their obvious salesman motivation into account.

>>16946933
I have 75W Apollo KC lights that have a spot and fog pattern. I just aim the spot down as much as possible on the roads to make them semi "legal" and they still retain their pierce and fog pattern. If I'm really innawoods down fire roads or back roads, I'll just aim the spots higher because I want to see deer (or kangaroo like you said). But mainly I'm just scared of skinwalkers or mutant bears or something.

I have seen expensive LED bars and they honestly don't seem to give that much of an advantage from a spot / pierce pattern. The only down side is that unless you're lead vehicle, you can't have the spot aiming upwards. LED bars are no issue being behind you, though.

Anyway, what was your original question? Now that we're past the technical jumbo, we can actually figure it out, heh. Did you want to get some fog/ driving lights from something or another? Where are you?
Do you go to KFC for their tuesday specials or is it too expensive nowadays for what you get?

Hey guys. Can you safely use a bumper mounted winch + snatch block on a wooden trustle to lift another vehicle vertically into the air?

>>16925476
>me
>projecting
Weebs are so insecure ffs.

>>16946544
Best to worst, for general usage:
HIDs in HID housings
HIDs in halogen housings
LEDs in LED housings
halogens in halogen housings
LEDs in halogens housings

For inclement weather and really long range lighting I'd take LEDs out of consideration entirely.

Also while it doesn't seem ideal, there are lifetime warranty PMD relocation kits that move it to the top of the intake rather than to the bumper. Maybe that protects it from moisture better?

>>16946863
It's a 95 ranger it has TTB front suspension. And I plan to do a 2 inch lift w/ a f150 spring swap

>>16946957
This is presuming the lights are aimed correctly anyway. Without taking the aim into account, I'm purely talking about temperature colour and perceived contrast from within the light beam.
My original question was to simple incite aimed discussion. My current setup is a pair of Cibie Super Oscars I've converted with Lightforce branded 35w Ballasts/igniters and Chinese eBay 4300k globes. Before hand I had a pair of Lightforce Blitz 240 which I reckon are the single best consumer reflectors you can buy, but some meth head decided they wanted those lights more than me, hence the leftover Lightforce HID ballasts.

Why is the ferd 9" the most popular offroading axle?

>>16948027
Lowering the vehicle will cause significant wear on the winch. They are not designed to extend under load.

>>16949145
Can you name some negative points? That's why.

>>16949280
>ferd
there's a big one

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>>16946190
I actually had the ATZ P3s already. shortly after taking this picture I almost died when the truck decided it only wanted to go straight, and downhill, regardless of my input.

or in other words I wasn't a big fan of their snow performance. I was pretty happy with everything else though.

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Anyone ever drive on these Laufenn X Fit ATs or the Pathfinder S ATs?
I'm too poorfag right now for better all terrains, and I'm running out of rubber.

I mostly go on gravel country roads and occasionally have to climb some trails up the Sierras for work. There's also a lot of really loose gravelly sand and big rocks like the railroads have.

>>16949316
For you

>>16949381
I have a feeling that a set of lightly-used AT/MT's from a "better" brand would do you better

>>16948941
If you wanted to aim discussion, then why didn't you answer my KFC question, faggot?

Anyway, light aim has little to no effect on fog lights with no beam pattern. But no one makes aftermarket PURE fog lights, I don't think. There's simply no market for them.

I too fear methheads stealing my lights. At least I have a dashcam running in Taynger like 24/7. Takes up almost no battery, too. Anyway, reflectors do make a huge difference - more than the wattage, actually. That's a good point and good you knew that. But you can also get away with some tinfoil around a styrofoam bowl and a 100W light shining into it. IT'd probably make as big of a spread as a regular 50W bulb with good reflectors.

Do you have a pattern for your current setup? Since you're doing discussion, I'll try and get a pic tonight since /o/nterrible is projecting an inch of rain. That means I can run the spots on the road and no one will really know the difference.

[spoiler] I run the spotlights aimed up when driving on rural roads really innawoods and turn them off whenever another car approaches me. Aim them a bit to the right and it really puts my heart at ease when doing 80+ down semi-paved roads[/spoiler]

>>16949151
What if you use another snatchblock to keep the vehicle's front level? I too am interested in this.

>>16949625
Hey bae!
How're the LEDs now that spring's slowly rolling around?

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>>16949633
As bright as ever - its still Norway and the nights are still pretty dark

Got my Hilux chipped today, low-end power and torque improved decently. Next step is finally getting some better wheels, tires and flares, although I'm still debating wether or not to go with 31's and leave the fenders stock, or 33's and cut & mount flares

>>16949644
stock

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>>16949644
>as bright as ever
you mean you, or your hilux? <3

I wish it was as dark and snowy here. Might take baes to iceland if I don't sink too much money into the Land Cruiser this year. Then we can actually do some nice, winter stuff instead of this gay, cringey "winter" this year

>tfw shoveled snow less than 3 times this year
>tfw barely got to hear the virgin snow crunch under my duratracs
>tfw i never actually got to get stuck in snow and see the wall of snow fly out of my back tyres
>tfw i still call myself canadian
>tfw didn't even ice fish this year out of the back of Taynger
>tfw rain in january
fucking leafs istg

>>16949688
>duratracs
lmfao pleb
Vredestein masterrace

>>16946544
Are you the dude with the suburban ambulance?

>>16949736
ye

>>16949759
Shit i was just searching through forums when looking for 2500 builds and saw your thread, weird.

>>16949319
>fuckhuge babypeen machine can't handle for shit
Color me shocked.

>>16949319
Your large curb weight and really narrow tyres will do that to you...

>>16949319
Didn't you crash this pigfat mobile on a straight-line highway like 2 weeks after this photo?

You can't drive worth a shit. Please take all future auto advice and shove it firmly up your ass.

>>16949633
First of all, KFC sucks ass regardless of price.
>be me once a year
>get craving for fried chicken of Kentucky variety
>purchase, consume, remember why I don't otherwise have it
Ill just grab a burger or a pizza.

My current setup is a pair of spread beam lense Super Oscars (came with when I bought them) although ultimately I'd like to run triples with one spread mounted central to a pair of pencils, although if I found another pair of second hand Lightforce 170 strikers, I'd run four of those (I already have an old pair sitting in the shed) with a pair adjusted as spreads and the other two as pencils which would just fit in between the uprights on my bullbar under the hood line. I'd have to find another spot to mount a winch solenoid box though...
All my spotlights are triggered with high beam (as per local laws), so they turn off when headlights are dipped anyway.

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>>16949865
Thought I'd chuck up a pic because fuck it.
Train spotters might notice the "GLS" wide body bullbar waiting to be cut down and painted/powder coated black to suit the "GLX" narrow body.
>ARB bumpers general

>>16949822
That exact combination would be more favourable is such conditions.

>>16949625
There's very few tires around here that fit me, and it's only street tires.
Everyone around here has 17" or 20"-24"

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Should I fix my bronco up for off-roading?

>>16950273
trade it for the crv

>>16949145
>Why is the ferd 9" the most popular offroading axle?
It's not. Have you never heard of the Dana 60 or 14 bolt?

>>16949865
KFC is fantastic you spoiled little shit.

>>16950375
>spoiled
I'd prefer to buy a cheap supermarket cooked chook and eat that straight from the carcass then the greasy crap KFC tries to pass off as chicken.

>>16949319
We told you when you originally posted the crash you should've been using dedicated snow tires.

Now you're telling us the tires handled poorly in snow, which is contradicting what you said before.

Fuck you.

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any advice on how to unfuck and remove this fucked o2 sensor?
pic related

>>16949842
Don't forget
>Wasn't my fault the eclipse running bald tires slid out in front of me

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>>16946655
Playing devil's advocate they have no citations for their position. They cite the AMA position on LED street lights, but on further research the AMA warn against LED street lights because they disrupt sleep cycles, not because of better light penetration. Otherwise, I can find dozens of people who claim that Fyrlyt's claims are lies, but no scientific studies on the matter.

>>16946813
Who else would talk to a random stranger in a grocery store parking lot about relocating a failing PMD in their truck? I'm a 6.5 autist.

>>16946832
Not quite

>>16946849
>6.5 common
Not around here. It's all about duramax/powerstroke/cummins here :-\

>>16946863
This is what I keep hearing, but I can't find anything to back this point up. When I look online all I can seem to find is pro LED marketing talking points. The best thing against LEDs I can find is glare and lack of long distance projection.

>>16948344
>LED rankings
While I believe you, can you provide a citation? As far as the PMD goes, mine is good for the time being. I already relocated it into the passenger compartment with an added heatsink and cooling fan. I personally feel the intake is a very bad spot to put the PMD. When you park, the heat from the motor rises right up to the PMD, with no airflow to cool it down.

>>16949736
Yup

>>16949776
Which forum? I lurk several.

>>16946957
Original question is to find more info as to which light works best in fog and inclement weather. I have a pair of Hella 450s that are falling apart and I am looking to replace them. I'm in West Michigan, so we get a fair bit of fog, rain and a shit ton of snow from time to time.

>>16949865
I'm gonna go get some KFC right now since I'm on ketosis. Fucc.

Lemme try and get a picture of the spots in the rain if it rains before I leave work... Supposed to come down at 11pm so that should be when I'm leaving work. Perfect.

>>16950457
TL;DR version of what this anon did?

Or the long version works too if you have screencaps?

>>16950563
LED lights are blue shifted:
http://glamox.com/upload/2013/01/25/illustration_led-basics_01.jpg

Raleigh scattering affects blue lights more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering#Cause_of_the_blue_color_of_the_sky

Therefore, LEDs scatter more in air in general(more humid air). Yellow is preferred, though because blue is too close to UV and red is for rear of the vehicle (this is why rear fog lights must be red tinted [but not red shifted])

>>16950480
cut it flush with the hex head so that you can get a socket on it. hammer the socket on if you have to. then run the engine for 15 minutes to get it hot. then gorilla-force it off as best you can.

>>16940570
Hey where's taytay?

Is this the only time she posted in this thread? :(

>>16949822
Those were 285s, a whopping 10mm wider than stock but still a good with for a truck that sees snow.

>>16949842
I crashed it about a year later, yes. I would have been impressed to see even the best of drivers make it out of that situation without hitting the other car or a guard rail.

>>16950483
don't forget, he'd never driven in snow in his life and was doing 70+ through the divide

any more questions?

>>16950563
That's exactly the sort of discussion I'm trying to to cite. While a lot of what Fyrlyt is claiming mirrors my opinions, I don't want to fall down the trap of drinking the coolaid. And it's interesting you dug up the fact the AMA was actually talking about sleep patterns.
I don't want to come off as a shill, and I wouldn't be able to justify spending that sort of money for what they retail anyway, and would sooner buy second hand otherwise reputable brands as I have in the past.
Still, the thing I can't get past is with the current trend of blue/white driving lighting that washes out colour range, at least to my eyes, although ~4300k HID seems to work well for me at least with great penetration anyway.

On a different note, have you given the 12v fit out any more thought? I was also thinking with the ability to run a second alternator, would it be worthwhile having a separate 24v loop to run an inverter off?

>>16950735
Why is this site build like one of these quick weight loss pages? This is so surreal...
http://www.fyrlyt.com

>>16950677
I'm right here, anon. Having surprisingly civil
discussion with a mitsubishi /O'straya'RG/ friendo and a 6.5 autist about driving lights and their ranges

>>16950756
>Why is this site build like one of these quick weight loss pages?
Heh, that's the exact feeling I got too. Hence the coolaid remark.
Having said all that there doesn't seem to be any unhappy consumer reports either.

The other thing to think about is the flagship units are 250w EACH, so that's 500w worth of auxiliary lighting for a pair to achieve that output. But then I used to run a quartet of 100w auxiliary lights anyway.

>>16950875
I don't really see two of their 250w lights outperforming five 100w Hella 4000s to any noteworthy extent and with the $750 price tag on just two of those, I'll stick with the Hellas.

>>16950933
Same, for the money I'll stick with what I've got. Even if I found myself with some disposable funds to blow on a brand new set of lights, I'd sooner buy another pair of Lightforce 240 Blitz which retail at 2/3rds the price of even the base 150w fyrlyts, and 2/5ths the price of the 250w models.
I'd happily rock a set of Rallye 4000s too.

>>16950563 Don't remeber exact site, definitely not expedition portal though. You were describing how it used to be an ambulance and the previous owner rattlecanned it or something

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>>16950563
>warn against LED street lights because they disrupt sleep cycles

Yeah because 90% of LEDs are 5000-6000k (blue tint) unless the diode is coated to filter out blue light which kills output. The blue tint to the light wakes you, fucking up sleep patterns. That itself has absolutely nothing to do with light penetration.

>>16950563
>The best thing against LEDs I can find is glare and lack of long distance projection.

Which for anything other than an offroad flood light, are two of the three biggest concerns for automotive forward lighting. The other is precision control over beam pattern, which most LEDs also lack, most notably in light bars and it's also the biggest issue with PnP LED bulbs. They're incompatible with existing optics you've got little to no control over pattern. More light where you don't need it means less light where you do need it.

>>16949736
>>16949759

Anyone else with a former ambulance 6.5 Suburban or C/K 3500? I need the dual alt bracket from one. Might end up having to build my own.

>>16950995

The 4000s are fantastic and you can find them pretty cheap if you shop around. Most of their reasoning seems to be against blue hue and LEDs, but you can find HIDs in any color temp you want.

>>16951222
checc'd

get new piccs, burblade. i'm tried of pelting your rock guards with insults ;E

Also relevant:
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-rv-motorhome/barrie/1985-scottsdale-suburban/1245159950?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/sault-ste-marie/74-chev-suburban-all-original/1242208165?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

hnnng. 1970s burbs. this is coming from the faggot that just bought a lexus land cruiser

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>>16951311

Hold out a little bit longer, Tayburb. I'll get some new ones when I make some progress. I've just been collecting parts for the last few months.

>wiring for forward lights sans the roof lights and splitters for LED pods

>>16951311
>lexus land cruiser
bread on hood faggot

LC/Suburban discussion has it's own thread now, for those interested.

>>16950683
>>16950683

>>16952080
Looks like >>16941427 was a very well orchestrated post.

>>16952134
I love it when a plan comes together.

>>16950735
I agree 100%. I want to be able to explain the science behind it, not just parrot talking points from marketers.

As said earlier, I can't seem to find too much info on the subject. As far as the 4300k lights washing out colors, the LED marketers will say 4300k is closer to sunlight, and is easier on the eyes and shows better colors than a halogen. With no scientific citations I feel I would be a shill one way or the other.

As far as performance videos go, the only thing I can find is people comparing LED and halogen fog lights for "muh cool colors", not light penetration through fog. It's annoying as hell. The only video I can find that supports the pro halogen argument is this one:
http://youtu.be/m5j8ucUd7iM.

>>16950652
These is the kind of stuff that makes me personally agree with the theory, but I can't find anything to back this up, and LED marketers just pull the "muh light is closer to sunlight" talking point.

>>16951222
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, long distance isn't what you are looking for in a fog light for inclement weather. One can argue with a proper lens suited for a fog pattern could have superior light output over a halogen. I am looking for some sort of proof to disprove the LED marketer's argument.

>>16951030
Sadly then you've seen my lack of progress made on it haha. I made a build thread on a forum or two but I've been so busy with other things I forgot about them. Can't remember the sites but expedition portal rings a bell...

>>16950735
Still in research phases, and would like to bounce off a couple of ideas off an electrician at this point. That sounds purty neat but I also don't want to make it unnecessarily complicated.

>>16951311
>Square bodies also give me a hard on, but I can't justify another burb...

...yet

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>>16952134
You're welcome.

>>16952596
>the LED marketers will say 4300k is closer to sunlight

Funny, most just say whatever they have closest to sunlight. Usually that's 5000-6000k, I've seen as much claimed as 6900k which is obviously false. There's some variance as the color of sunlight varies and ambient daylight is much cooler than direct sunlight, but still. I'd give direct sunlight 4000-4500k and ambient daylight 4500-5000k.

4300-4500k is going to be the purest white and without taking differing color indexing between technologies into account, should provide the widest range of good color contrast though something with a green, yellow, or amber tint would likely provide the best contrast for most cases since green is the color your eyes pick up contrast in the best.

It's really all trade offs until you get into blue light and poor beam control.

>long distance isn't what you are looking for in a fog light for inclement weather.

No, but you do want good beam control and a low color temperature, both of which LEDs struggle with.

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>>16952596
>I want to be able to explain the science behind it
No kidding. I guess for myself I'm comfortable using what I know works for me, and that's sub-4500k-ish. Apparently HIDs start to suffer exponentially once you start going down in colour temperature below 4000k.

One place I appreciate LEDs is work-floodlight applications. They work great for campsite setup. A few of the older dozers and loaders at work have had old Halogen lamps "upgraded" to cheap LED units which work good at low speed as broad spread flood lights.

Sorry I can't offer anything further than anecdotal preferences.

>Square bodies

yum...
I myself can't decide whether the ultimate goal is an original 12H-T powered HJ61 VX Cruiser or a 2nd gen Bronco/6th gen SWB F100...
For the time being the Montero does the job.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6071752794.html
Any reason I shouldn't go check this out? Mostly gonna be for taking dirtbikes and camping gear out inna desert. How low do you think I could get it?

>>16953035
>maroon velour
>column shift bench
I can't think of a reason for you to avoid looking at it.

>>16920245
Are buggies cool for the city and doing off road?

>>16953175
what the fuck are you trying to ask

>>16953425
I think he wants to know if buggies are cool for the city and doing off road.

>>16953425
how dare you ask for clarification

>>16953425
You know how I know you'll never make management at your minimum wage McDonald's job? Managers don't ask for clarification. Stop pretending to be important. You're not, I am. You're worthless and will never amount to anything. There's plenty of info there for you to recommend whatever it is you like with no care of what he's trying ask. Stay BTFO, McDonalds fag.

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>>16953454
thanks for the clarification

>>16953467
fuck me right

>>16953777
mmmmmmm.........pasta

>>16953927
Not even pasta you worthless pile of unimportant hamburglar shit. Get a real job.

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>>16954049
pasta indeed friendo

>>16954058
Let me get a large #7 with a side of value to humanity. Oh wait, you're all out. Make that a side of fuck off and stop pretending to be important.

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>>16954155
but i am important friendo
you should take some vitamin c
it's good for you

>>16954327
Denial is the first step of being a poorfag Ronald. Try moving out of your mom's basement to start with. You're not Important.

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>>16954493
>Denial is the first step of being a poorfag Ronald.
actually the first step is actually being poor friendo
wanna try again

>>16953927
those are nice barrels anon where did u buy them

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>>16950457
I missed you yesterday champ. my bad. the Mickeys weren't on my truck when I crashed it.

>>16950652
>driving I-70 near continental divide
>snowed night before, was about 30 degrees
>roads were still fairly crappy
>I was doing 55ish in right lane, hadn't had any traction issues
>going downhill around a right lane curve, guardrails on both sides
>Eclipse comes shooting past me in left lane
>as he's next to me his ass end slides out
>makes it past me but is still trying to counter steer
>I hit brakes
>he catches a dry spot that shoots him into my lane
>my front bumper goes through his passenger door

that's pretty much it. guy was from Vegas, had never seen snow in his life and had no idea how little traction he had until he got to a curve.

has anyone run the trans-america trail?
i really want to do it this summer but idk if my old beat xj could do it without spending 3k to do preventative maintanence

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I tried to go do some comfy snow rolling today. it was warmer than I expected.

>>16956321
Try not to run into anything or anyone.

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>>16956432
>not mowing down trees when off road
>not denting your new winch bumper by having a mazda cucc crash into you going 70kmph
>not bitching to /org/ about it
it's not even summer yet

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>>16956432
will do, thanks mom

>>16956444
>not running into an eclipse

>>16956499
don't knock it 'til you try it, shit was cash

>>16956255
I've heard of it. Looks purty neat but I doubt I can get the time off from work to do something like that. Don't they recommend two to three weeks to run that?

>>16956564
anywhere from 2 weeks to a whole month
one way
and if i did it i'd run it both ways, out west first then take it back east again

>>16956530
>shit was cash
What did you have to pay out of pocket?

>>16956603
$0.00

>>16956597
>both ways
That's pretty stupid, just highway it back.

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SOMEONE MAKE A NEW THREAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>16957119
are you yellow yj guy?

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>>16957119
>new thread
>still on page 1
No.

>>16957204
prelude guy - are you posting on /ORG/ now?

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>>16957204
>gaylude goy

>>16957221
Nah, I just saw the giant "REEE" on the front page

>>16957176
are you yellow burb guy?

>>16957235
>not using catalog

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>>16957235
>he doesnt use the catalog
>his name is gaylude goy

>>16957204
Haven's seen you in a while. Have I been sticking to ORG more or have you been sticking to ORG less? I don't keep track anymore. Kind of miss jackal and firechicken.

>>16957309
I never post in this general, but I'm usually around the rest of /o/ at least a few times a week.

>Jackal
He was here last night, don't remember what thread though. I guess he's still working crazy hours.

>>16957332
>I never post in this general
So I've been sticking to ORG more.

>He was here last night
FIND HIM

>>16956597
Don't the people who sell the maps say it can't be done Eastward?

But then again those snobs turn their nose up at anything running it other than a dual sport motorbike