who is the steve jobs of the auto industry?

>>16898341

>Overrated hack

Elon Musk.

obviously elon musk.

But musk isn't dead, heck considering his ability to regrow hair and overcome male pattern baldness I doubt cancer would even affect him.

>>16898347

>overrated

you realize Tesla released their first car in 2011, and is now fighting toe to toe with all the German luxury sedans? not to mention Musk had/has-ish a monopoly on Ebay transactions with Paypal, and is delivering shit to the ISS with SpaceX. He might be over-publicized, but he's far from overrated.

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Bruno Sacco

head of styling at German car giant Daimler-Benz between 1975 and 1999.

I might going a bit far to put Steve jobs on the same level, but the Iphone 4 was so avantgarde in a mercedes way.

>>16898369

sorry, 2008

>>16898369
in their specific niche market, yes.
Kind of an important nuance...

>>16898345
>>16898346
Atleast Elon is producing some of the finest electric cars that was proven to be a massive hit. That checks for the apple too. But is ELon producing any outdated shit like Apple do?

>>16898382
>but is Elon producing any outdated shit like Apple do?
Interiors

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>>16898369
>competitive with elite car companies
>receive massive green subsidies

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It's hard to say because there often isn't one man responsible for leading the show. The best example I can think of is pic related. Dude genuinely knows a lot about the game but really just never aligned with the right people to make something huge

>>16898379
Is that a real name?

>>16898387
>inb4 he cites loans long paid off ago

>>16898407

>>16898341
>>16898345
>>16898346
>non-scientists that sell old technology in fancy suits, innovation nowhere to be found
sounds about right

>>16898393
Alphonse you stupid nigger

>>16898417
"Muh low interest loans real lenders wouldn't agree to!"

Have fun with your auto bubble, dum dum

>>16898411
>not recognizing ferrari
how retarded are you?

>>16898387

>massive green subsidies

it's almost like there's a huge environmental crisis and we should be pumping cash into industries that can help to ease that issue.

anyways, i was talking pure sales numbers

>>16898380

>specific niche market

they're selling around 50,000 Model S's a year. that's more than a niche market, Tesla has engineered an attractive alternative to ICE cars.

>>16898426
I'd say successfully selling a dd-able electric car to the mass market is pretty innovative.

>>16898451
~15 million cars being sold new in the US, each year.

>>16898386
Tell me a car with an interior 25 years forward as a Tesla.

>>16898379
kek the file name

Also from what I've heard and read he was a real asshole.

>>16898460

https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurengensler/2017/01/04/us-auto-sales-2016/#32cd4eb57bb2

17.55 million actually in 2016, with 76,230 of those coming from Tesla

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/01/03/teslas-2016-deliveries-production/

So that means that .4% of all USA car sales were from Tesla. That might not seem very impressive until you stack them up against a very similar competitor, Jaguar, who only sold 31,000 in 2016 and took up .18% of market share. And that's with a more diverse line-up too.

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/jaguar/

That's fucking impressive, I don't care who you are.

>>16898379

Italians sure are ugly.

>>16898454
look up what innovation is then

>>16898443
>it's almost like there's a huge environmental crisis and we should be pumping cash into industries that can help to ease that issue.

There's not and we shouldn't. It does nothing but cost us money.

>>16898497
Jaguar has always done terribly in the US, the poor quality control of the 60s and 70s have tainted the brand forever

>>16898516
yeah we should blow all of out money on more important things like walls and environment destroying industries

>>16898530
There should be no subsidies for any private company at all.

If environmental damage is such a huge concern, then the free market will fix it

>>16898516

even the USA Secretary of Defense is saying that climate change is a huge issue.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/james-mattis-us-defence-secretary-climate-change-destabilise-world-security-donald-trump-global-a7630676.html

And the US military spends more time keeping track of the world than anyone.

>>16898549
>There should be no subsidies for any private company at all.
Exactly.
>If environmental damage is such a huge concern, then the free market will fix it
Don't know about THAT though

>>16898525

That's a shitty excuse. They only sold 148,000 Jaguars globally, with 5 different models.

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20170109/ANE/170109841/jaguar-land-rover-sales-jump-20-in-2016

>>16898549
free market only cares about money
capitalism is a shitty system and breeds awful people

>>16898549

>free market will fix it

Yes, look at 2008 when the free market ran the world straight into a huge recession and it took massive government intervention through loans (USA) and imprisonment (Europe) to set it straight again.

Free market will always fail.

>>16898516
>There's not and we shouldn't. It does nothing but cost us money.
Fuckin tinfoil wearing cuck.

>>16898551
problems we can avoid
>importing terrorists and uneducated dregs on welfare
problems we cannot avoid
>ocean levels rising

sorry for popping your "im in college and have never taken a logic or critical thinking class so im a liberal" bubble for you

>>16898650
No one mentioned immigration. And even if the sea levels are rising we can try to minimize the effects of climate change by reducing our part in causing it

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>>16898408
not an argument

depends on who died from trying to cure a totally treatable form of cancer with vegetable smoothies and yoga

jobs was a moron

>>16898579
We don't have a free market. The reason 2008 was such recession is because of the subprime on houses. And the reason people got those loans when they shouldn't have is because the banks are backed by the Federal Reserve (central banking). They can't fail. Central banking is not free market.

>>16898748

>yeah we should blow all of out money on more important things like walls and environment destroying industries

humans create about 5% of all greenhouse gasses, climate change is fucking inevitable, eco subsidies are a fucking sham so billion dollar companies can get tax credits. The only reason this climate change gets any traction is because liberals think its a good argument for more socialism so they constantly repeat dumb shit in the media like 97% scientists agree...

climate change wont make the united states more socialist when the #1 solution to climate change are carbon credits. wake up sheeple

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>>16898370
>sacco is the jobs of the car world

FUCKING DON'T INSULT SACCO.

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>Sells overpriced pieces of shit
>Total cunt

>>16898650

>importing terrorists

most domestic terrorism is from natural-born NEETs actually

>>16898994

Have you ever driven a Ferrari? They're expensive but they're fucking worth it.

>>16899009
I think you are mistaking Ferrari for Porsche

>>16898506
It is innovation. Innovation is not a synonym for invention, dumb shit.

>>16898549
People react incredibly slowly. By the time pollution fucks people over due to external costs, it will hurt the market much more than if they actually believed the science and tried to not to pollute in the first place.

>>16899003
This is the most childish justification. So if 100% of muslims murder and it still doesn't rival revolutionary negros total because there are much more of them, we must take more muslims in.

Gas yourself.

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>>16898341
Where as Steve Jobs wanted to turn everything into brushed aluminum, This man wants to turn everything into Carbon Fiber.

>>16899262

But I'm talking real world. The only examples of domestic terrorism in the past decade have been loners with mental issues who lashed out.

Charleston church shooting anyone? Virginia Tech? All NEETs

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>>16899278
Imagine a world if Akio Toyoda had his way we would all be driving Carbon Fiber cars, living in Carbon Fiber houses, wearing carbon fiber clothes, etc.

>>16898857
5% is a massive amount. That's like saying humans only contributing a degree C to the environment isnt much since it's only .3% of the absolute scale.

It's not inevitable if you take your fingers out of your ears.

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Ferdinand Porsche

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Overvalued, over-rated, only achievement was applying simple ideas of a technological field (actually he got others to supply those ideas)?

Huge narcissist?

Great PR team?

I give you his automotive equivalent, Carroll Shelby.

>>16899366
Interesting. But I don't think Jobs sued anywhere near as much so that probably excludes Shelby then.

>>16898341
the guy who designed the BRZ/FRS

>hey lets make this new sports car that's totally great but then no turbo because we're too cool for that lol right

faggot

>>16898994
you forget the part where Ferrari will black list you and even sue you, for making a blog post about how awful the customer service at a Canadian dealership was.

>>16899604
car is fine. a turbo boxer from subaru would have raised costs to buy/own. which means less sales.

they only thing they needed to do was not have that damn mid rpm drop in power.

>>16899674
they said they didn't have a turbo because it "would be tasteless"

yes that's an actual quote

>they only thing they needed to do was not have that damn mid rpm drop in power.

this was a factor in literally zero people's decision not to buy

>>16899690
entry coupe market is fuck because /o/tists.

>want cheap rwd coupe.
>want it to be Enzo Ferrari fast

which is why we're stuck with just the Miata.

>>16899666
devilishly true

>>16898341
Chrysler

The guy who wrote "the international Jew'

>>16898487
He was such an asshole to Lamborghini that he started producing sportscars out of spite.

Definitely Musk.

>>16898579
>massive government intervention through loans
>free market will always fail
>implying we have a free market when you just proved that we don't with your own previous statement

>>16898341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4VGQPk2Dl8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7qPAY9JqE4

Ultimate meme-mobile is a Tesla with apple play going on.

>>16898341
How has no one mentioned Henry Ford?
He didn't invent the industry, but he brought it to the masses.

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>>16901203
Because henry ford is dead

>>16901681
So is Steve Jobs.

>>16898347
Jobs did more for the computer industry than Musk has done for the automotive industry.

>>16902484
all Jobs did was introduce Xerox's GUI and Mouse concept to Bill Gates.

Bill Gates and crew had the real impact. By licensing a common OS to everyone. He standardized desktop computers.

>>16898341
Lee Iacocca

Tuner nerds probly lol

>>16898443
>we should stop drilling for oil
>but we should ramp up mining for minerals for batteries and solar panels
>we should also ramp up power plants that can barely handle summers as it is

>save duhhh earth!!!!