Why did GM kill Pontiac?

>>16862431
Because it wasn't profitable and they hadn't made a good car is forever.

so they could get their gubmint handout

>>16862448
how?

>>16862431
Cuz Pontiac a shit

>>16862448
The gubmint didn't kill Pontiac, GM ruined them far earlier, otherwise gubmint handouts wouldn't have been necessary.

Honestly it all started with shared bodies and engines in the '70s so that upper management could rake in more money on rebadges.

Because their FUCKING retarded.

Cause the only good car Pontiac had was the solstice

And no European friends, the Opel GT is a rebadged Solstice, not the other way around.

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>>16862444
>implying
>what is G8/GTO
>implying GM didn't gimp them to favor Chevy and especially the Corvette
>implying if they hadn't we wouldn't still have the Fiero around challenging the Corvette
>implying Pontiac didn't make the best production engines ever built

>>16862478
Sorry bud but, GM started sharing bodies in 1959.

>>16862460
gubmint wasnt giving GM a 50 billion dollar check with brands that werent making money

>>16862478
yeah real Pontiac died after 1981 anything after that is shit

corporate engines a shit

but they were on their way back as a brand right when they were killed

>>16862483
>Pontiac
>best production engines
Oldsmobile is way better than Pontiac regarding engines

>>16862496
OP here.

So far I'm seeing:

- wanting to favor Chevy
- needing to be more profitable (gibs)
- stupidity

>>16862498
only thing Olds had worth a shit was the Quad 4

neither them or Pontiac ever made anything amazing

>>16862505
pretty much

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>>16862460
GM had to agree to cut costs, sell assets and agree to corporate restructuring as a condition of the bailout.

>>16862505
Chevy 305's because Roger Smith hated inner GM competition and wanted to cut costs.

Because the government needed something they could point to as a drastic change they demanded in exchange for the bailout.

>>16862496
How the fuck do you even manage not to make money with some of your brands if literally all you switch out is the badge?

>>16862622
GM's only brands they created that lasted more than 25 years are Chevy and Pontiac. 90% of GMs brands already existed when they became part of GM

>>16862642
Lack of differentiation. Pontiac had become Chevy 2.0 by the 80s. Whereas they used to fit inbetween Olds and Chevy.

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>>16862483
>>what is G8/GTO

A Commodore and a Monaro respectively.

>>16862683
Oh yeah? Then what's a Caprice?

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Why do people bash the Aztec? I know nothing about automobiles though it looks gorgeous, and the Pontiac logo looks really nice, kinda like the Florentina logo in the Seria A.

>>16862478
This

Re badging ended them, even though they had some good originals

>>16862693
>Then what's a Caprice?
A Caprice is also assembled at the Elizabeth plant in Australia.

>>16862483
G8 and GTO (04+) are both aussie

>>16862703
It had a fucking SHITTY unreliable engine dude. If they would have not under powered it, it woulda been GOAT

>>16862498
How so?

>>16862703
>Why do people bash the Aztec?
>it looks gorgeous
When it came out, many people thought it looked hideous. People have different tastes and times change. Some people hate it while others couldn't care less.

Besides the shitty quality that GM does in all their econoboxes, there's not much to hate on. It was pretty versatile for its time and scored highly in crash testing by the NHTSA. Fuel economy wasn't so great, but it was built during a time when few people would care anyway.

Thanks to "Breaking Bad" TV show, it achieved a meme car status. List prices for used Azteks actually jumped up a few years ago (though I think they've settled back down).

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>>16862966
>someone actually paid ~$30k for the Aztec used in Breaking Bad

>>16862483
>I'm not a douchebag and I drive a GTO/GTP said no one ever.

>>16862703
Nice Subaru crossover

>>16862479
>their

>>16862703
It is still unbelievably ugly, man.

>>16862581
>when the government does a better job running your corporation than you do

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Gov't Motors, dude.

Pontiac was ended because 10% on the American Indian tribes lobbied the FTC with Elizabeth Warren (1/64 Cherokee) leading with the political pressure from congress. She was threatening endless investigations for limiting upward mobility for native american minorities within GM if they did not kill the division. See the endless attacks on native american mascots for further reference.

Oldsmobile-- same story, but the PC motivation was age discrimination both in and out of the workplace. AARP and John McCain were the proponents of this one.

Saturn-- NASA and John Glenn shut it down.

Hummer-- Hollywood porn industry lobby and their numerous CA congress people supporters.
SJW

>>16863409

Saab was just unprofitable and had to go.

Pontiac finally started getting their shit together after 2 decades of rebadging entry level chevrolet garbage.

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>>16862431
It's a shame.

The Trans Am WS6 is one of my favorite cars ever. I still want to own one some day

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>>16862431
Because their management was fucking retarded. Right as Pontiac was gaining It's brand image as affordable performance cars(thanks in part to the shitposters), they killed it in favor of a brand that will NEVER shake its association with the elderly. Just look at Buick sales now. Their bubbly designs a pretty shit too.

>>16862480
The G8 is a great car...

Go look up the top trim now. It's ridiculously expensive STILL and they haven't made those since like 2009 and they're 30k+

>>16863702
Buick exists for China where they sell like hotcakes

>>16863702
The reason they kept Buick is because they're huge in China.
Buick is the Mercedes Benz of cars in China.

They sell more there than anywhere else, even the USA. That's the only reason Buick still exists. Pontiac didn't have that name recognition, so they axed it.

>>16863409
Oh man I hope this is pasta.

Sell me your corvette when you can't walk anymore.

>>16864489

> Sell me your corvette when you can't walk anymore.

Sorry Kemosabe, but no can do. Both my son and daughter have dibs on it-- C7 with an Edlebrock TVS blower, kooks headers, stage 3 ported TFS heads and Stage 3 Monster clutch witch Tck master cylinder. It is unfortunate, but a family scwabble is going to break out when I can push the 80lbd 3rd peddle.

Until then, look up references to GM killing the Saturn division, the rise of Miley Cyrus' career and satanic cults dedicated to deity worship with names common to our solar system.

>>16862431
Because buick, although a shittier brand, was making money in China.

>>16864791

> witch Tck
with Tick

> when I can
when I can't

Fug'gen autocorrect. And how did you know I need a knee replacement? You with the NSA?

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I was upset when they were killed off because that killed my chance at getting a brand new UTE.

>>16863757
>Buick is the Cadillac of cars in China.
ftfy

>>16862966
>When it came out, many people thought it looked hideous.
The thought it looked hideous to such an extent that by the end of its run, its sister car the Buick Rendezvous, which had a much less 'unique' appearance, was outselling it TWELVE to one.

anyone have a link to that old /o/ thread with the stories about why GM fucks everything up so often?

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>>16864859

"L Cam-EenOOO..."

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With the perfect car built there was nothing left to achieve.

>>16864884

That would imply Cadillac sells well elsewhere

Which it doesn't, not that well at least, and this is coming from a Cadillac fan.

Buick is just a monster in China, outselling BMW, Audi, and Mercedes.

>>16864925
wow

a Camaro beat with an extremely ugly stick is such a great Pontiac

>>16863743

That's a rebadged holden though

>>16864969
not suprised I got trolled for championing an extremely basic lego-car

it's still a good car. the particular v6 is a good one- before emission standard cucking.

>>16864962

You no do anthropology, son?

>>16864969
also no way it's ugly. you're lying to hurt my feelings. admit it.

>>16864977
if its past 1981 its not a Pontiac unless its a Fiero

no Pontiac V8 and using corporate garbage just means its a rebadges Chevy or something

3800 a shit too especially sound

>>16864988
dude

its what I consider to be one of the ugliest cars of all time

>>16864921
http://archive.4plebs.org/o/thread/16507355/#16508325
Have fun.

>>16865023
>>16865023
>3800 a shit too especially sound
see now I know you're one of those faggy shills.

It's one of the most popular and reliable engines in the world, and what faggot cares about the sound?

Shill better. Blend in more.

>>16865035
figures a tasteless pleb drives a Fireturd lel

enjoy your 60s shitbox V6

>>16865039
thanks, I own the road in that girl

>>16862431
Pontiac is Ford retard

>>16865058
?

Because GM is trying to prove how shit american education is to the world

>Create Pontiac as the "excitement divison"
>Give them great car options
>Almost from the get go were as good if not better than chevy counterparts
>Chevy does a lot of autistic screetching to get it's point across because autism just speak, it fucking yells
>Pontiac overtime is forced to pump out more and more shitboxes and less and less fun and high output cars
>President billy bob and vice president Jimmy joe of GM figure OH WELL UH I THINK 2 LUXURY DIVISIONS IS FINE!
>Pontiac gets axed in 08

TL;DR, GM makes retarded decisions and can't count

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>>16862703
i always thought it was the front that was ugly
seems to me they tried to incorporate the trans am nose on it and it just didnt work
pic related is what would have been better

>>16865344
buick should have gone instead of pontiac
nobody wants to pay that much for a buick when you could get the cadillac counterpart instead

>>16865417
China disagrees with you

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>>16865407
They look conventional ever since nissan fucked up hard.

>>16865417
I can understand a 6 speed regal GS but wtf with the people paying 40K for a cruze with leather seats.

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>>16865469
>tfw i like the juke

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>>16864925
>>16864988
>>16865035
>>16865045

Don't worry about that guy. IMO the Firebird always looked better than the Camaro. Except the 4th gen Trans-Ams. I thought those were trying to look a little too aggressive. Granted i don't think any of the 4th gen Camaros look particularly good either.