Would you buy a tesla as a daily driver if you had the money?

No. IKEA tier interior and hideously unreliable. Also energy costs here relate in a way that makes a good diesel hybrid very nearly as cheap to fill up. Mabye I'd buy one as a collectible if I were a millionaire.

The fastest car money can buy

>>16839567
yes because it is the superior automobile for the modern professional on the move, friend

No because there is no rational reason to do so.

>>16839567
nah, I prefer physical controls. touch screen crap doesn't belong in a car.

its an atrocious car, if you can even call it that

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>>16839577

CHOOSE ONE:

A. Have an 8" long, 6.5" circumference cock but shoot your load after one thrust, two at most on a good day.

B. Have a 5" long, 4" circumference cock that will let you plow away until you want to cum.

>>16839758
the bottom one obviously

but seriously, the tesla gets around 300+ miles of range. can't say that for most sports cars

>>16839594
Yeah no kidding that shit is not the future.

Touch screens control panels must be significantly cheaper to produce than proper ones because I don't see how anyone except a beancounter could sit in a touch screen car and enjoy any part of driving it.

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It would just be something I'd use to and from work, to drive friends or get groceries - and even then I dont think it would be cope with the worst weather that can be thrown at me in my parts

I couldn't justify having one car for just those things

>>16839567

No.

The only Supercharger station in the area is 30 miles away and my house was built in the 70s so it has shit-tier aluminum wiring that would probably explode if I rigged up a 240v charging station to the mains.

>>16839567
Now? No.
In 3-5 years when there's a record of reliability and more infrastructure to charge them? Yes.

>>16839822
thats not how wiring works, so I'd go ahead and try it.

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No. Looks dated AF.
I'd go for aesthetic vaporshit like Lucid/FF/NIO/HybridKinetic

>>16839758
A.
I stay hard after I cum and my flaccid dick is probably at the same size as B so I could just soft serve.

>>16839567
>if you had the money

Wholesale auction for base model S is about 26k USD

>>16839587
>no rational reason to do so
There is no rational reason to buy any vehicle except a base model Corolla, truck, or van.

>>16839567
nah

>shit interior
>shit reliability
>retarded proprietary software you cannot modify without bricking the car
>big daddy helstra killed aftermarket

Its a good idea for a EV car but its WAY too similar to the current iphone and apples bullshit walled garden crap.

>Waaaaaaaah its OUR technology YOUR not ALLOWED to modify it
>Shit Battery Life

>>16839790
Only if you drive like a pansy. If you put your foot down it'll drain half the battery in a 0-60 run. Where as a normal sports car can go all day. Don't get me wrong, I respect its ability to accelerate insanely fast, but its just not quite up to what a ICE can do.

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>>16839567
no. a prius isnt worth the money when you consider that there ar cars that do better fuel econ than a prius and were designed to do the job from day one.

>Tesla had remote access to "your" car because the return of the feudal system is the future
>Touchscreen everything because FUTURE
>MY DAD DIDN'T HAVE THAT SO I HAVE TO FUTUUUURE

No. Production EVs are good tech in the hands of shitty people.

I'm waiting for someone who doesn't want the mythical millennial audience to make one, for those of us who did not grow up in the suburbs or take any social sciences for hs/uni

>>16840030
Other people have faster vehicles and can legally bully you on the road
Social status
You forgot wagons
Corollas kind of suck at everything except being a meme

>>16839567
no way dude

I hate that entire company too, but the car is trash.

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>>16840065
Here's an actual oil sand mine.
Idk what you're trying to shill, but a single oil pump is not how they mine oil sands.

>>16839567
No. I don't like the interior with its minimalistic nothing, I don't want a touch screen to control all functions of the car because it's cold and I want to wear gloves, no place to charge it, the facelift made it look like ass and it has always looked like a Ford.

>>16839567
damn straight

>>16839567
No.

It's ugly

It has a horrible
>giant ipad becuz muh gadgits
interior

It has proven to be of questionable reliability

It will have shite resale value

>>16840096
Actual oil sands worker here

The drilling rig is an extraction technique called SAGD, it involves injecting super-heated water and steam in a manner similar to fracking. The pit mines are in the northern part of the region where the layer of bitumen (the geologic term for oil sand) is closer to the surface.

But the mines are more profitable and currently more productive than the other method. Both methods have problems though--apparently the high number of roads and pipelines associated with SAGD cause issues with wildlife and forest structure or something like that, plus it uses a shitload of natural gas. SAGD is cleaner though, and it's the only possible way to extract oil from areas that could have future development.

>>16840052
>normal sports car you can drive all day
>driving like a madman
fuck off

>tesla cant accelerate like what ICE can do
it does it better

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>>16839567

No. If I have $140k laying around I'd build my own electric death machine or buy something like this. I don't want my cars interior to look like George Jetsons BSDM dungeon just because it's electric.

>>16839567
Not since they discontinued the roadster.

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>>16840065
I seriously hope you guys aren't dumb enough to fall for this.
The top picture is actually a copper mine.

just look at that pile of shit l m a o

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No. It would be a Chevy SS and supercharged or a CTS-V Wagon. Both in manual of course.

>>16839567
I do, and no.

>>16842767
Good thing copper is non-conductive and not needed for electrical motors.

>>16840543
>plus it uses a shitload of natural gas

What ever happened to the idea of using small nuclear reactors to produce the steam?

if I lived in a big city

>>16839758
A.

only low test beta cucks care about pleasing the woman

I wouldn't buy, only lease

buying an electric car is probably one of the worst investments you can make

>>16843973
>t. Gets cheated on

>>16843979
only low test beta cucks worry about being cheated on.

>>16839567
probably not, disgusting interior and questionable build "quality" and reliability

I'd rather get an S-class

>>16843982
>t. high test alpha cuck

>>16839803
yes, but also because trying to have proper physical controls for the huge infotainment systems in modern cars is a problem.

you can have a million buttons like previous Audis, or use some sort of joystick/jogwheel like merc and bmw.

>>16839576
horseshit.

where can you possibly live where electricity is so horribly expensive and diesel fuel cheap?

>>16839567
Nope. If I had the money for that, id be driving a 50+ year old classic thats been restomodded.

>>16839567

nah because i live in croatia and i wouldn't be able to charge it anywhere

>>16844010
Germany. Electricity is $.032/kWh average. Diesel was $4.50/gal today. A Tesla will use as much money in electricity as a diesel or diesel hybrid getting 46 mpg.

>>16844022
Oh, and both prices are after taxes, no hidden costs.

>>16844022
you know your electricity prices are artificially high because Fuhrer Merkle is propping up the solar industry?

>>16839567

I would buy an electric car for my daily commuting if I had the money (and if electric cars were looking more conventionnal).
I consider fossil-fueled cars as a hobby and electric cars just as a tool for commuting.

My plan is the following: commute by using an electric car, keep the petrol cars for hobbies, track days or week-ends.

I know that my hobby is polluting, but I can fix that by reducing my C02 emissions when going to work. Just be responsible so we don't have to deal with the death of species, global warming, and worst above all the dictatorship of ecologists.

>>16844029
Yeah. Doesn't change anything about the cost comparison.

>>16843958
If that was ever an idea then I've never heard it. It sounds like the plot of a retarded 1950s sci-fi B-film.

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>>16843940
Good thing copper is not needed for virtually everything that allows a modern society to function

>>16844040
Germany's EV incentives are weak. They also seem to be designed to discriminate against Tesla.

>>16844054
We already only use half as much energy per household as the burgers, we don't have to whitewash our conscience with "environmentally friendly" cars.

>>16844059
diesel emissions are awful. just look at how smoggy paris is.

german cities wanting to ban cars from downtown, or congestion fees.

>>16844076
Traffic is terrible anyway, electric cars would only make it cleaner, not better. I know it's impossible to make an argument for public transport against the /o/ mindset so I'm not even going to attempt it.

>>16844092
i used to live in japan. I'm all for massive rail based mass transit and walking.

>>16844109
rail based mass transit is for low test cuck weaboos. There's a reason Japanese people are slowly going extinct.

>>16839567
No. If I'd ever shell out that kind of cash on a car I would get one that I can actually own.

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>>16844382
There is a direct correlation between the decline of rail and the cultural decay of the United States

>>16843685
mah negroid

>>16839567
No, there is nowhere to charge it.

>>16839790
>accelerate twice
>battery dead

But it was worth ?

>>16843685
i dont usually like american cars but that wagon looks great
>manual
>v8
yes please

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>>16839567

Fuck yes. I would have a Tesla Model S P100D over any other car in the world.

>>16839567
>expensive, fast and "luxury"
>electric vehicle
pick one.
I would daily a cheap electric car as a beater, so i could still buy a real car and keep it in the garage. But i would never expend that kind of money in a EV

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>All these people acting like they wouldn't be excited af to drive a tesla

>>16846142

What is it about electric motors and a battery that has less value than an ICE to you?

>>16844041
>Actual oil sands worker here
>The drilling rig is an extraction technique called SAGD, it involves injecting super-heated water and steam in a manner similar to fracking. The pit mines are in the northern part of the region where the layer of bitumen (the geologic term for oil sand) is closer to the surface.
>But the mines are more profitable and currently more productive than the other method. Both methods have problems though--apparently the high number of roads and pipelines associated with SAGD cause issues with wildlife and forest structure or something like that, plus it uses a shitload of natural gas. SAGD is cleaner though, and it's the only possible way to extract oil from areas that could have future development.
Thats exactly how modern nuclear power plants work.Nuclear energy originates from the splitting of uranium atoms – a process called fission. This generates heat to produce steam, which is used by a turbine generator to generate electricity. Because nuclear power plants do not burn fuel, they do not produce greenhouse gas emissions.

>>16845734

That's not true. An electric car can recoup 50% of the power used to accelerate through regenerative braking.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/brakes/brake-types/regenerative-braking5.htm

>>16840068
>bully on road
I wouldn't merge a 4500 diesel monster into a tailgating Corolla. How would they bully you outside of not letting you merge? I used to drive a crown vic and some people wouldn't let that even merge until I forced it.

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>>16846171
Yes, I'm aware that's how nuclear plants work. Two astoundingly stupid problems with the suggestion to use nuclear plants in oil sands production:

1. SAGD generates the steam by burning the natural gas that is a byproduct of all oil extraction. So, instead of using a free byproduct of what we're already doing...we should use a super-dangerous astronomically expensive material under tight international controls? And have to completely re-engineer what's an already expensive extraction process?

2. We inject the steam into the motherfucking ground to get the oil out. Can you imagine how many people worldwide would want to use potentially radioactive petroleum products?

i'd buy a used panamera hybrid for 100k

>>16839567
Not necessarily. I'd rather drive a hybrid or something as a DD in the future, but not now. I DD a Z32 and it's fun and shit but the gas mileage is terrible, which is fine since I don't go very far for school and work.

I'd buy one to DD from home to work and that's it. Anything else I'll have a more fun car to drive.

while i was driving around where i live in florida i saw a Model S from Ontario with a tow hitch, it was fuckin weird. wonder what that guy would tow.

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>>16846736

It probably has the power to tow the biggest class 3 trailers available today, but the suspension couldn't handle the high tongue weight of most. If the tongue weight was low, and speed was also kept low, I bet it could tow a 10,000+ pound trailer with ease.

>>16847157
I meant class 5.

>>16843685
>Cadillac
>Land Rover

It's like they enjoy taking their cars to the dealership

>>16847157
>I bet it could tow a 10,000+ pound trailer with ease.

Yeahhhhh no. Not with those blender motors. It overheats after multiple 0-60 runs, There's no way it's handle a 10k lb trailer anywhere except for maybe a flat shithole. The only way you can get away with towing with a single gear ratio is running a big ass traction motor half the size of that smart car like a locomotive. Unless you get the motors to "no load" It's just going to use a fuckload of amps in the Tesla and overheat.

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>>16847181
Model X is a towing monster. The S can't tow a lot because it wasn't designed for a hitch, only aftermarket companies make them.

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>>16847217

>>16847217

>implying the battery wasn't dead and overheated after that. Towing a light trailer down a drag strip and a 10k lb trailer over a mountain range are completely different things.

My company just installed a shitload of EV chargers at the office so that aspect would be cool for me but my commute is like 4 miles. It's not worth it to me to have a dedicated commuter anymore. I just DD my truck.

>>16839567
No, its not very efficient, its REALLY heavy and there are few if not no electric stations near me

>>16847231
>>16847217
jesus christ the range on these things must be heavily reduced because of the weight

>>16844022
this is what happens when you shutter your nuclear plants, kids

>>16847235
>>16847276
https://electrek.co/2016/04/08/tesla-model-x-tow-test/

>>16843685
God Damn the CTS V wagon looks amazing.

>>16846136
>still hasn't completed a lap at Nurburgring without over heating.

Have fun with your 120,000 corrolla. Except corrolla can go all the way around.

>>16846160
I would never want to daily drive what would be the fastest accelerating car on the road. I only daily drive cars based on their nurburgring lap times.

>>16847181
>except for maybe a flat shithole
Welcome to Ontario!

Of course
Instant torque
Quiet
Environmentally friendly
Supporting an american company that's leading us into the future

too bad i'm broke

>>16839567
No, because electric cars aren't manuél.

>>16848781
>Environmentally friendly

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>>16849357

>This is a commonly held opinion in America, including the fucking president

>>16839567
>buying gimmick car only because the rest of the sheep do it
No, I wouldn't. The only reason to buy one is free charging and tax deductions. My country has neither, so Teslas are just poorly build gimmicks on wheels. It's probably not even eco, if you take into account the whole process of building batteries and energy conversion from power plants.

>>16845588
CTS-V wagon is kind of cool tho. Are negro hood rats driving those in the US of A? In slavland "chavz" prefer sedans.

Unlikely. Work has free EV chargers in Philly suburbs but I work from home in New York state (non-city). Climate would make the longer drives to the airport and work harder to do without stops.

I also think the interiors of Tesla cars don't reflect their pricetags in terms of build quality, I hope that guy they hired from Volvo changes that.

>>16847390
>250 miles
That's it? That's an effective 125 miles before having to turn around. Which is only 2 hours of driving at best

>>16847582
but it has.

the times aren't impressive, but they can manage a fast lap

>>16849366
and gasoline magically appears out of the ground under gas stations?

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>>16849482
Alright but like can people who dislike tesla please just do it in a way that doesn't reveal to everyone that they are an idiot?

You guys keep embarrassing yourselves.

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>>16839567
I'd rather get a diesel S Class

>maximum comfy
>torque for days
>any place that deals with Sprinters can work on it
>diesel is dirt cheap in Canada
>1400km range
>interior isn't made by Ikea
>AWD standard

>>16849892
Because superchargers won't wear out the batteries at all

>>16849917
Correct, current data shows you lose about 2% battery capacity every 5 years.

>>16849924
>Source: Elon Musk

>>16849917
depends on how hot the battery gets and how long it takes to cool off.

if you lose more than 20% battery capacity with in 8 years, tesla will replace the battery for free.

no one, even in the USA, drives more than 80 miles per day. so you wont' be using super chargers often.

>>16849931
http://www.teslacentral.com/worried-about-tesla-battery-degradation-its-23-miles-every-100000-driven

>Alright but like can people who dislike tesla please just do it in a way that doesn't reveal to everyone that they are an idiot?

>You guys keep embarrassing yourselves

>>16849482
I imagine the epa estimate bulks hit is about as accurate as they are for gasoline cars because their test environment doesn't reflect real world use

"yea dude totally 45 mpg civic"
>actually only get like 35

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>>16849913
Master race

>>16849939
>>16849943
>while others saw as high as 5.1 miles per 10,000 driven

Lol

>>16845566
>look at the correlation of these two unrelated things

>>16849943

The amazing this is, the Chevy Volt has shown no loss of battery degradation. There's one with 300,000 miles with no degradation.

>>16847582

I don't care about that.

>>16849924
>2% capacity loss every 5 years charging close to max charging current
Maybe if you only charge it once per year.

>>16850059
GM is very conservative about the way it uses batteries.
The volt has a 16.5kWh pack but is limited to 10kWh to preserve the battery.

>>16839567
I wouldn't daily a tesla if you gave it to me for free. I'm not a fan of the manufacturer having control over my vehicle.

>>16847170
>Range Rover
>Land Rover
>Same thing

nigga please

Land rovers are far more reliable than range rovers.

>>16850098
I had a 2011 early production run Nissan LEAF.

Put 20,000 miles on it over 2 years and lots of DC fast charging. first gen battery pack didn't like heat. when i turned it in at the end of the lease it lost 5%.

later leaf batteries don't have this problem.

>>16850119
every EV does that. though Tesla might not be as generous with how much excess they have.

>>16839790

>Tesla "sports car" - but can't disable esp and have no steering feedback.

>Mitsubishi i-Miev "city car" - good steering feedback and you can actually enjoy it without nannies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP0pEBI4Taw

Over here in norway, a tesla model s costs the same as a awd ford mondeo due to heavy government subsidizing. So I kind of get why people buy them here.
But how they are able to sell a single unit in the states baffles the shit out of me.

>>16851580
>But how they are able to sell a single unit in the states baffles the shit out of me.

there are 11 million millionaires in the U.S.

the car is a status symbol and a novelty

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>>16851590

Probably just status symbol.
As a novelty EV I'd rather get the ugly-as-sin Tango T600 and outrun the Teslas.

spending over ONE HUNDRED TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS on a car that needs software updates

you could buy a boat and a house for that much money

you could travel the world 12 times for that kind of money

you could get a phd and still have enough for a down payment on a house with that kind of money

you could live without a job for 7 years with that kind of money

>>16851742
>on a car that needs software updates

Why do you think this is a bad thing?

Could you please explain with resorting to feels?

>>16851742
>Free OTA updates is a bad thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAziCT6lPEw

>>16845566
B I G
O
Y

B E S T
T R A I N

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS9joDnVA9o

>>16851748
>there will literally be times where you cannot drive your own fucking car because the software it needs to function is updating
>the hardware built inside the car to utilize the software will eventually become outdated, causing the software to lag & eventually stop functioning.
>you will need to buy a new fucking car because your old one doesn't function correctly because of some autistic software that's not even necessary

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>>16851897
why does this piss me off so much

>>16851748

https://electrek.co/2017/03/15/tesla-max-power-launch-mode/

But fuck the peasants for not getting the P100D, right?

>>16851580
>subsidizing

you mean not taxing the fucking shit out of it like new gasoline cars.

>>16852068

As long as the state is completely dependent on heavy taxation on cars to make the budget work, it's in effect subsidizing.

>>16851918
Because Tesla is awesome and you're trying hard to be a contrarian?

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>>16851918
>>16852812

Seagull doors for the back seats and regular doors at the front instead of just 1 long seagull door on each side? Thefukisupwithdat?

>>16851960
>>16851908

Yeah your feelings make a good point

Oh wait no they don't because they are fucking feels

What you two retards posted amounts to woman 'logic'

>>16852279
it isn't. the taxes are so heavy because they want to discourage car ownership and all the negatives you get with it(see america).

>>16844092
>I know it's impossible to make an argument for public transport against the /o/ mindset so I'm not even going to attempt it.

I love driving but I hate traffic. Nobody who enjoys either leisurely cruising in a basic econobox/grand tourer luxobarge, or a sporty car with fun handling, likes sitting in traffic. More people off the roads=less traffic.

/o/ SHOULD encourage public transit because it gets drunk/distracted/banned drivers off the road, at least in theory.

>>16839567
It looks boring. No appeal.

>>16851162
Tesla doesn't, as far as I know. This means that there's more range, but you wear out the battery much quicker. Their batteries used to be smaller than advertised, but that might have changed.

>>16855261
the 60kwh is actually a 75 but software limited to 60. they lower the price, then allow you to buy the extra 15 later for a higher price.

if you are worried about battery life. get the 60 model and never buy the upgrade.

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>>16853048
>this stupid nigger thinks that literal facts are """""feelings"""""

>>16839567
No. I think they're boring.

>>16855541
Are you a woman?

Would explain a lot.

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>>16855703
>doesn't know how technology works

i'd say you might be the woman here but that's offensive to women that have more than 3 brain cells & actually have an understanding of how technology works in the real world

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>>16855722

I'd rather DD a 4C and spend the change on a used XC90 for the occasional time when I need a people/cargo hauler

>>16844022

VW made sure that nothing but diesel tech can be sold in Europe, bribed their way through German and EU bureaucracy.

Diesel tech is pure cancer. I live in slav Europe and during rush hour you can't breath from all the sooth and stink diesel cars are spewing out.

>>16855750
Are 7 adult seats not enough? Model X has that.

>>16855779
>what is DPF
Stop driving antique shitboxes and problem solves itself.

>>16855496
I mean that somebody took apart a 75 and it was actually closer to 70 than 75.

>>16855834
>driving a DPF in a city for short journeys, which most yuropoors do
LMAO

>>16855834

What do you think where all that shit from DPF goes?

Horrible dirty tech but collapse of diesel market would destabilize whole EU economy now so better get used to that lung cancer.

https://youtu.be/9oulaV4sGxo

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>>16852932
>regular doors at the front

They're auto opening and closing with an upgrade. Having separate falcon wing doors for the front would be cool, but one big one for both would be silly, IMO. It would look like a garage door.

One thing I am interested in knowing is how Tesla managed to keep the door sill at normal height instead of raising it to pass government standards for side crash protection.

>>16855547
>Hasn't driven one

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I seriously couldn't pick between the Model X and Model S if I could afford both.

On one side, there's a sexier car which is faster and handles better, but can only hold 4 adults, maybe 5 if they're small, in long distance comfort. I'll probably have to slide my seat forward more than normal to give the person behind me a decent amount of space unless they're short.

On the other side, there's a more utilitarian car which is slightly to moderately uglier and slightly less fast and agile, and can fit 7 people in comfort for long distance trips. I won't have to move my seat, plus if there's only 5 riding, I get a much larger cargo bay. There's also extras like falcon wing doors and automatic opening and closing front doors. Being able to take long trips with family would be awesome. Everyone would love riding in it, and I love driving people around.

I don't know. It's so hard.

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I would

but it would be this tesla

not their new ipads with a car attatched to them.

>>16839567
>Would you buy a tesla as a daily driver if you had the money?
If I had the money I'd drop a twin-supercharged Viper V-10 in it, putting the engine/trans in the back seat (MR setup), add a roll cage, and still use electric motors on the front wheels, welding in some form of protection from engine heat/noise behind the front seats, placing the air intakes and intercoolers where the back windows used to be.

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>>16839567

Would like Tesla as DD, long travel suspension truck for fun and some eastern euro commie car like wartburg or moskvich for chills.

Saleen Tesla GTX nigga

>>16853048

Can you point out the factual faults of that article?
Or maybe >>16855541 is right after all?

>>16853258

Lol fuck off.
Let me explain to you how it works:
The price of gasoline in norway is about 4 kroner/liter. The distributors make 2 kroner (most of the time less) each liter.
All the rest goes into the goverment pockets, and the liter price is 16 kroner.

The state NEEDS those moneys - as you know our current budgets are running with a deficit ("borrowing" money from the pension fund) since the oil price crashed.
Same thing with slowly converting all roads to toll roads, its done in small increments so that people don't really notice the effect.

The environmental bit when it comes to cars is purely a meme, but we don't have much media willing to report on it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html

So I will stand by what I say about this freeloading being subsidizing. Your argumentation at best is nothing but picking at semantics.

>>16840012
>Wholesale auction
How do I get access to this?

>>16850012
This is fake, probably some bongistan basterdized version of imperial units

>>16857796
You wish with all your heart to fly with dragons in the land of farts

>>16856102

>Not swapping in a Detroit 2 stroke and driving into the Tesla meets in 1st gear for maximum butthurt

>>16856972
new car sales tax is what %100 ?

I have the money and no.