/ORG/ - Off Road General

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>>16831345
>Land Cruiser vs Suburban
NO.
I STARTED THAT LAST THREAD AS A JOKE. WE'RE NOT DOING THIS AGAIN

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>>16831345
>Very little posting about 4x4s we actually own
Speak for yourself

>>16831380
It's too late my friend. What is done can not be undone. This is chain of events you have set in motion.

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Have some dingleberries when icemudding

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Anyone here trying to buy some mud claw m/t? 225/10.5r15.

I'm in the southeast

>>16831402
pls no more wheel covers

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CAN YOUR SUBURBAN DO A 10 POINT TURN ON A TRAIL AND ONLY DESTROY THREE TREES?!?

>>16831411
The forests split from in front of me out of fear. I need not destroy anything.

>7 minutes old
>7 replies

Unusually fast in here

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>>16831408
>they said we'd be tired of winning
>pls! pls no more winning covers!

>>16831419
well yeah. It's just tayposter spamming his shit ranger to try and making us jealous that he gets to offroad for work ;_;

>only 6 posters so far

>>16831428
>try and making us jealous that he gets to offroad for work
He's succeeding. Most of us have to first find abundant free time outside of work, which is difficult as an adult.

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>>16831455
wtf your an adult?

>>16831459
Oh fuck I'm busted. Forgot only busriding toyota fanboys allowed

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>>16831471
pls self crit or gtfo

>>16831480
engrish, prease

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>>16831499

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>>16831511
what the fuck am I reading

Back to Suburbans with this discussion.

>>16831345
So the LX450 guy got back to me and he has yet to sell it. Offering $8300 for 230 miles on the odometer. 1997 so last year of the LX, eh?

The ad says the vehicle needs "TLC" but that's always a shitshow with what it actually means. Anyone want to take a stab and what that could mean for a 20 year old LC with 230mi on it?

>UZ SWAP WHEN

>>16831871
Also - what's a good counteroffer on this thing to not scare him off? Ad's been up for a month today.

>>16831406
I don't think your measurement is correct.

>>16831345
>very little posting about 4x4s we actually own

Maybe that's because anytime someone posts something nice, all the shitbox owners/buss riders hurl insults and the anons never return? This is why /org/ is dead.

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>>16832198
This thread needs more 4x4 goats, fast doggos, and cute wifeys!

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always be skeptical of the pavement jew

I never go here but I'm doing research for a stupid build idea I have, and I figured here would be the best place to ask.
What's a decent body-on-frame SUV or truck with a wheelbase of about 2400mm/94.5"?

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>>16832277
We out here

>>16832198
ORG business is booming. Everyone calls the nice Suburbans shitboxes and the shitbox Toyotas nice but we're all still here and posting.

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>>16832277
Otay!

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>>16831345
What's the point in arguing when the Tracker is superior to both?

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>>16832623
I'm not this guy, but I support his vision of trackalackers for all!

Is it even possible to cruise 65~ in a 2.5 yj? I might be grabbing one this weekend for retarded cheap as a new daily.

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>>16832285
>always

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>>16831345
ITT: fully built suburbans on 40's vs everything else on 33's and 35's

>>16831871
>>16831875

is he asking $8300 or are you offering $8300?

I'm as big a yota-fanboy as you'll meet, but christ 80 series have been priced way out of proportion. Yeah I get that they're super-overengineered and have cool redundant shit that's fun to jack off to, but christ you can get a lot father with that money on a different platform. TL;DR I'd offer him $5k.

>>16832759
The last OP Suburban was on 33s. The Arbitrary Suburban Edition Suburban was on 35s. One guy has one on 37s and one guy has one on 42s. It doesn't mean they're needed. But if you've got room for them no reason not to run them.

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Any KYbros here? Most likely heading down to near Daniel Boone (London district) for the weekend, interested in checking out some fun backroads. Not looking for an offroad park per se or anything crazy vehicle-damaging-technical (taking wife with me, no other 4x4s for recovery), but I do have some new all terrains I want to at least get a bit of mud on. Any public-accessible fire roads worth checking out?

>>16832529
Yeah, I know. Cancerous toyotaphiles ruined /org/. Keep posting the burbs' m8.

>>16832277
Hey, what's the snow around Silverton like now? Melting off?

>>16832759
>fully built
>he thinks there's a limit to how much you can build a truck

This isn't need for speed underground ya armchair offroader.

>>16832833
Lockers and if there's no rust, it could be worth it.
Plus sitting on '33 KO2s could be worth it heavily

>>16833069
>ARMCHAIR
Define it using constants bls. No arbitray definitions allowed.

>>16833139
Someone that does not wheel but thinks they everything about wheeling.

Similarly the guys with stock engines that have never swapped one but tell others to Cummins or LS swap everything.

>>16832434
>flat bill hat
Fucking kill yo...
>ears tucked inside flat bill hat
Oh come the fuck on, there's literally no way that is comfortable, nor does anyone in the fucking world think that looks good. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>16832404
Fuck off with your suburban bait.

>>16833237
Not baiting, legitimately asking.

>>16832879
Richmond here. Have no idea where to actually wheel, and don't no anyone into it besides myself. Would be really interested to get together and go wheeling if anyone around knows where the fuck to go.

>>16831406
Yes, were do you live. More pics?

>>16833049
>Hey, what's the snow around Silverton like now? Melting off?

Dunno. I'm in Denver (it's like 72F today!). I won't be down Silverton way until July. From what I hear, they got a lot early on but I'm unsure of how the melt is coming. If it's anything like here, should be well underway. I've seen a few posts that the local waterfalls are really flowing.

>>16833234
Faggots from California, they should all be exterminated...

>>16833279

I'm driving down from Indy have never been to this part of KY aside from visiting Makers Mark once. I'll probably end up exploring around the gravel roads, there's a few promising looking things on Google maps but it's hard to tell what's become private roads and what's been closed off. Last thing I need is to run up on a still (or worse, meth lab).

>>16833404
If you believe those stereotypes, please stay out of my state. And if you're trying to have a good time on gravel/dirt roads in the DB park, might as well fucking forget it. Every weekend they're crowded like city traffic, full of asshole yankees and yuppie faggots. I've tried that, and it fucking blows. God damn panhandlers every 20ft on the side of the road literally screaming at you to buy firewood, because you're there, you MUST be camping and too braindead to find a fucking dead tree. Fucking tourism initiative goading retards into coming here have ruined anything accessible by a sedan. That's why I'll refrain from going back until I find some actual offroad trails to ride.

>>16833404
South side Indy here

I recommend badlands.

>>16833364
Cummy's from Vegas, ya goober

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WHY HAVE THESE THREADS TURNED TO SHITPOSTING
CAN'T WE HAVE A THREAD WITH ACTUAL SUSTENANCE
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16833457
He asked about people who wear hats like that, fucking California fags do. Just cuz "cummy" is in Vegas doesn't mean he isn't a faggot as well...

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Yes I'm here about the Toyota bullying

Im still using the same like 5 pictures because I haven't done much with the Taco lately

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Name even one advantage the suburban has over the land cruiser.
Because it sure isn't
>towing capacity
>suspension
>lmao no i6 option
>differentials
>interior design(if it mattered)
>muh reliability, etc, etc

>>16833615
>implying the small block Chevy V-8 isn't far superior to the shit ass jap inline 6...

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>>16833477
>SUSTENANCE
Do you mean substance anon?

>>16833754
No, I feed off of quality posts. And captcha has the answer to the GM vs Toyota debate. NISSAN...

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>>16833813
Forgot the god damn picture.

>>16831345
>land cruiser vs suburban, suburban is literally worse in almost every way
fixed

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>>16833615
Besides price and availability?

>>16833440
Well more so I don't want to be the out of town asshole tearing across private property unknowingly.

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>>16833446

Eh I'm more of a "go offroad with a destination in mind" like to go camping and such, or just exploring around. For some reason just wheeling around a park specifically made for offroading seems offputting, I guess I'm weird like that. Or maybe because I associate it with the really serious guys that bash up their heavily modified rigs. I've just got a basically stock e-locked 3rd gen 4Runner with all terrain tires on it, and it's more or less my daily driver.

Have had a lot of fun with it down in the Charles C Deam wilderness actually, the gravel roads are super tame 99% of the time, but get caught in a flash flood down there and it's pretty wild. Have driven through 2-3 feet of fast moving water before and scraped up the skid plate on an underwater washout. Also there's a road off of Tower ridge Road that goes down past a cemetery and turns into an unmaintained trail with pretty sizable mudholes. Last time I was there I was still rolling on all seasons and by myself so I didn't risk it. My buddy has made it through in a pretty stock 3rd gen 4Runner on Cooper Discoverer AT3s. Definitely would be cool to head down there with other people.

>>16833738
>small block chevy
>doesn't have 8 quarts of oil capacity
>doesn't have a timing gear instead of timing chain like 3FE
>doesn't have oil squirters in the bottom of the cylinders like the 1FZ-FE
It's like you don't want maximum reliability

>>16833149
>Similarly the guys with stock engines that have never swapped one but tell others to Cummins or LS swap everything.
ROFL
I don't think there could be a better definition of an armchair mechanic/offroader.
The kind of people who attempt to pass off other poster's anecdotal stories as their own wisdom.

>>16833935
>Muh reliability

>>16833935
Yet somehow the small block Chevy is the most swapped engine into just about every car known to man... Hmmm

>>16833975

Yota guy here. I've always thought something like a 4Runner or Tacoma would be awesome with the 4.3L Vortec swapped on, and in a magical world where all of GM's shitty engine accessory components and stuff like fuel injection were redone by Toyota. Oh and keep the Toyota transmissions. I want domestic low end torque but keep everything else.

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>>16833975
*cough* jz *cough*

>>16833999
The 4.3 liter vortec motor is an excellent swap into a toyota, in fact it's been done plenty of times, they have custom bellhousings to bolt the 4.3 to the Toyota 5 speed transmission. It's a far superior engine compared to the junk 3.slow or even the 3.4

>>16834009
LOL, how many of those engines have been swapped into other cars? 1000? 10000? Still nowhere near the MILLIONS of small block Chevy swaps, that doesn't include all the LS swaps...

>>16833975
>because they cost a dollar and there's a million of them

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>>16833754
no
i meant sustenance

>>16833813
IMPOSTER

>>16834039
>implying if they weren't great motors that they wouldn't have made the same basic design V-8 from 1955-1995

>>16834020
>3.4
Now I'm triggered ;)

I certainly think the output characteristics of the 4.3 are superior in a truck/4x4 configuration, but as an overall package taking all components into account (including shit like alternators, power steering pumps, ignition and fuel injection system, etc) I'm happy to be driving a 5VZFE-equipped Toyota. I've definitely heard of people putting some serious miles on 4.3Ls, but I'd still give the overall reliability crown to the 3.4L.

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>>16834029

>>16834029
http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/1404-popular-engine-swaps/
http://www.revvedmag.com/engine-tech/engine/the-ultimate-power-play-top-5-engine-swaps/

>>16834039
100% this.
>>16834065
Your answer's in your reply. The engine in question has been made for so long there's enough variations to suit many applications and they're cheap. Brilliant they aint, accessible they're hard to beat.
>>16834020
This. The 90s Toyota V6s suck ass. Even the old siamese headed Buick 3800 makes for a much better power plant even if peak power outputs aren't too different.
I personally wouldn't go past an L series or KZ series four cylinder diesel though.

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these threads are really moving quickly these days
it tickles my taint and makes me feel warm inside

>>16834123
>The 90s Toyota V6s suck ass

I dunno man, I think the 5VZFE has a lot going for it, namely longevity.

See my earlier post >>16834069

Way too many 5VZs with 300k+ miles to say it "sucks ass." The 3.0L 3VZ? Ehh it probably deserves a fair amount of criticism. It's a less reliable, harder to work on, less powerful, less efficient 5VZ.

>>16834135
I lament that it's mostly "x vehicle vs suburban" though

>>16834135
People have no chill unless other people on the internet agree with them.
Why going offroad when you can comfy discuss which barn on wheels will get stuck further?

>>16834123
I can redpill you on KZ, if needed.

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>pic related
>past 2 /org/ threads
Damn I wish I had my Remington.

>>16834200
y would u kill birdie

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>>16834200
If you look close enough, you should be able to see mountain hills in the distance

>>16834158
Yeah... I wouldn't change out an otherwise functional 5VZ, as it is an adequate power plant for the application. But then I wouldn't bother rebuilding it if it failed either when there's many accessible GM V6 variants where conversions are well documented and adapter kits are "off the shelf".
My biggest gripe with the VZ engines is more power delivery for this application. Some complain that blown head gaskets are common with the VZ, but I doubt you'd ever see such an event if the cooling system was maintained.

>>16834200
>shooting caged animals
Yeah, you're definitely a dumbass redneck that can't wait to "hunt" animals that have lived in a protected area for decades. Just buy the shit at the store, poorfag. It's the same as your proverbial fish in barrel, except you don't have to beat your wife to clean them before beating her for cooking them wrong.

>>16834209
1. Crownon
2. Turkey liver is ridiculously hard to find here and the only time I can eat it is if I buy the whole turkey or kill one.

>>16834175
Don't need to, I'm reasonably well versed with them. Part of me wishes they were still completely mechanically fuelled, but then you could always simply build a Frankensteined 5L-T out of a 2L-T manifold.
Toyota can keep their 1KD though.

>>16834239
What the fuck are you talking about

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Any of you 4x4 suburban guys have an extra nv4500?

>>16834252
It's pretty obvious about this hick getting a boner at caged animals he's not allowed to kill.

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>>16834239
go tell hillary
she'll make it all better for you

>>16834239
It's not caged. Those were a group of wild turkeys that crossed my trucc and went behind a farmer's gate. Across the path. If it was a few months ago, totally would've done it too - their livers are too drained now. Also illegal, lmao

>>16834257
Cage? Are you talking about that gate? I'm pretty sure a wild turkey could easily fly over that little gate.

>>16834228
>But then I wouldn't bother rebuilding it if it failed either

The problem would be waiting one out for it to fail haha. Short of absolutely extreme abuse/negligence, and occasional cases of headgaskets going, I'm not sure what would really finish one off.

>>16834259
>>16834265
>>16834267
Seriously, sorry. I get bent out of shape because I live near this army base, it's a fucking sanctuary for wildlife. And surrounded by hillbillies, that cum themselves at the idea of "hunting" there because all the animals just walk up to you. I'm not mad that the animals die, I'm fucking sick of them pretending that would be a satisfying hunting trip, because they're all fat lady fucktards. And that's what I thought when I saw the pic.

>>16834311
They're lazy, not ladies.

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>>16834311
It's alright, anon. I very much appreciate your apology and I know your feel from those East Onterrible and Quebecois hillbillies like you mention who shoot shotguns in schoolzones sometimes.

I just took a picc on the trail and wanted to meme at the burb-posting, heh. Also like I said with the Turkey livers as I'm sad I never got some this Autumn... I would try not to shoot when not in season and try to obey the conservation as much as I can. So im actually glad you have such a response.
Hunting conservation is becoming a lost hobby in some states, from what I hear... keep up the good work <3

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Rocky Gap today.
Bolder field a little more sketchy then usual.

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>>16833875
your skin wrapped around a rim

>>16834359
Thanks man. I'm usually a pretty rational guy, but I don't get to complain much on the day to day. And trust that it sucks living in the land of the AK and SKS, where everyone thinks hunting would be best if they just had a thousand animals that couldn't move while they open fire. And that place exists here, but the national guard is the only thing stopping then, and they all bitch about the fence and security every chance they get. God damn hunting used to be fun.

>>16834387
>this contorts the unibody

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>>16834427
My XJ has a good chiropractor.

>>16834161
kek i guess thats true
p annoying

>>16834167
but doesnt arguing about the exact same retarded shit get old to you?
i was bored before this even started

>>16834009
>E39
>not M62TUB44
>lame

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>>16832677
Soup mang. Im going to hit that plane crash trail this saturday, you headed out for the weekend?

>>16834731
>M62TUB44
>bmw (((engines)))
>vanos

>>16834419
My tender white skin won't do, need nigger leather, where to get?

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>>16834943
>jews
>white
what kind of dishwasher did you get stuck in as a kid?

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>>16831890
I don't think you know anything about my tires

>>16833288
I'm in the western half of NC more than my hometown north of atlanta.

Someone already locked in to $325 for the set. Sorry

>>16834753
Work shit Saturday. Family shit Sunday. There could still be significant snow (haven't been up since last summer) which could make the crash site tricky to access. Just fyi, as you might wanna bring a come along and straps just in case. Take since guns if that's your thing as there's a lot of places to pull over, picnic, and shoot at shit.

>>16835057
Look at the measurements you gave again.
>"metric tread width/contradicting imperial tread width R15"
Maybe you were drunk or having a stroke?

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>tfw looking at full size jeeps or land cruisers
>both have the special snowflake tax
kill me

>>16834420
You libe in Russia?
Jimney?

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>>16834468
Went to a SUNN O))) concert today.
That's the best chiropractor

Sup with /ORG/ this week? Anyone do any sick drifts or anything in the YUGE snow? How are buffalos dealing with the half a metre (two feet?) of snow?

I'm going to go check out this land cruiser here: >>16831871 hopefully this week
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/cambridge/1997-lexus-lx450-land-cruiser/1238906962?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

And see what lockers and all he'll have. Wish me luck, /ORG/,

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>>16835302
was not me

>>16835319
Taylor Swoft and Sunn O. Get you a man that can do both.

>>16835227
Buy a Suburban and shut the fuck up.

>>16835380
>EIGHT HIGHWAY MPG

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>>16835380
Suburbans are either butt ugly or have IFS, so no.

>>16835395
Not this meme again. Worst case highway mpg for a stock 350 is double that.

>>16835410
>>16835395
>this triggers the fangirl

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>>16835410
Wagoneers are sexy as fuck but if the only reason you pay twice as much for a waggy as you would a Suburban is the weak SFA, then you've been mislead. The 1 ton IFS in the 2500 Suburbans is close to if not the strongest IFS ever put in a production light truck. Besides, a solid axle swap isn't hard to do on the IFS Suburbans.

>>16835456
>>16835411
>>16835380
Would you mind tripping up please? Just to give the other posters within this thread the option to filter out your irrelevant tripe. It would be most considerate :)

How comfy are suburbans in terms of ride quality? I know the old FJ60s have the best in terms of ride quality. Not sure of the 80

>>16835485
No safespaces here, toyota fangirl.

>>16835435
>I don't want a suburban
>HURR FANGIRL
The only fangirl here is you.
>>16835456
My parents used to have a wagoneer and an 80 series LC, and a wagoneer was my first truck. I'm mostly buying on nostalgia not practicality anyways.

>>16835485
Seconded.

>>16835066
Damn I could have visited my brother and got new tires. I used to live in stokes county north of Winston-salem. God I miss wheeling and getting drunk with my friends. Alabama sucks.

>>16835501
>implying I'm vested in any manufacturer what so ever
Sorry m8, but my kettle isn't black.

>>16835499
Very.

>>16835504
>here's why I don't want a Suburban
>now that logic has decided those reasons don't make sense, here's the real reason

If you don't want to have this discussion, then start off with the real reasoning rather than making up bullshit excuses.

>>16835504
You seem to be quite misguided with your fangirl accusation, so here is the reply you deserve >>16835552

>>16835552
I want a comfy nostalgia truck, and I don't want an ugly vehicle with IFS. I don't want to swap from IFS to a SFA. Sorry if the fact that your truck doesn't appeal to me offends you.

>>16835485
This.

>>16835485
voting

>>16835628
You want a truck because of nostalgia. That's it. It has nothing to do with off road. If it were a Camaro that your parents had instead then that's what you would be looking for. Don't come to ORG about it. We're make suggestions based on availability and capability. If you can't handle that, then you don't even need to be on the internet. You don't need to like what I like, but nor do you need to make up reasons not to like it. You can not be helped, especially not by us.

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Going to go look over a grand cherokee that was flipped in sand but apparently in good shape tommorow. It's already lifted and some spare parts like doors and a hood will be included.

Anything I should look for?

>>16835686
>>16835645
>>16835511
>>16835485
>wants to filter the guy creating the threads he refuses to stop posting in even though he has no interest in them

Go to the Land Cruiser Wins edition and quit your bitching.

>>16835712
Pillar alignment and any sort of dents or chipped paint at the pillar corners.. Easy to skew the top half even with minimal apparent damage.

>>16835712
Look for the weak axles, and consider looking at Suburbans instead. They may have absolutely nothing in common to what you're looking for, but they're better in every single measurable way. Trust me, I built one with diffs from a GM truck and and a Ford and only took me 6 years and $500 to complete.

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>>16835718
Or everyone could simply stay here in happy harmony without the egotistical autism.

>>16835739
>butthurt toyota fangirl trying to make a post about a cherokee into a an argument about a Suburban

You just can't help yourself, can you? Is it that hard to move on? How mad are you? Is your face red? Veins bulging out of your neck in anger?

>>16835753
>fangirl
I'm not the one with a vested interest in any particular marque. Again, my kettle isn't black m8.

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Some relevant shitty OC

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>>16835752
>posts that scream samefag
>no one accuses you of samefagging
>post screenshot to prove you were not samefagging anyway
Do you know how suspicious this looks?

>>16835806
>after 20 minutes in paint, IT'S READY!
Do you know how sad this looks?

>>16835790

Suburban owners are funny because they realize that the truck is almost useless off-road unless you swap the front axle, and change the transmission and rear axle. Pre 1997 Land Cruisers are better in every way.

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>>16835806
Is not samefag

t. some other guy

>>16835827
>unless you swap the front axle
See >>16835456
"The 1 ton IFS in the 2500 Suburbans is close to if not the strongest IFS ever put in a production light truck."

>and change the transmission
No one talked about changing transmissions in a Suburban, one guy talked about swapping a GM engine into a LC with the Toyota trans.

>and rear axle.
14 bolt comes stock under many Suburbans.

>Pre 1997 Land Cruisers are better in every way.
Except for price, availability, maintenance costs, and power/weight ratio.

>>16835485

>>16835833
>>16835833
>>16835833
NEW THREAD
>>16835833
>>16835833
>>16835833
PROBLEM SOLVED

>>16835827
Yes, but if I intentionally cherry pick a later model landcruiser in its heaviest configuration, and compare it to the lightest variant of 8th gen Suburban (and gloss over the fact it omits all the pros I stack up as an argument in order to achieve the arbitrary weight), you'll probably see I'm deliberately being obtuse in an effort to validate my fangirlism.

>>16835861
That comparison was between a 98 LC (first and lightest 100) and 98 4x4 diesel 1500 burban.

The heaviest 100 series was the last and weighs nearly as much as a 4x4 diesel 3/4 ton burban.
The lightest GMT400 Suburban would be a 92 C1500 5.7.
Neither of these vehicles were used. Stop basing your arguments on false assumptions, or are they outright lies?

>>16835878
>The lightest GMT400 Suburban would be a 92 C1500 5.7.
Which weighs less than a 97 90 series, by the way.

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>>16835878
>The heaviest 100 series was the last and weighs nearly as much as 2942kg
:')

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>>16835790

>>16835900
>Curb weight (without a driver):
>2335 kg / 5148 lbs
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/auta_details1.php
Sorry mate, but a J90 doesn't exceed that.

>>16835861
>cherry pick a later model landcruiser in its heaviest configuration, and compare it to the lightest variant of 8th gen Suburban
If one were to do that it would be a 4667lb 8th gen burban vs 5425lb LC100.

But that's not what happened. It was the lightest LC100, 1998 at 5225lb and a similarly equipped but more powerful 4x4 1998 Suburban at 5297lb.

And it was in response to someone (likely you judging by your units of measure) claiming that a comparable burban weighed 50% more than a LC. There's only one side cherry picking numbers here, and it's not the Suburban side.

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I'm currently a hasbike and am looking to buy a truck. I want something mid-size and capable offroad but practical. need 4 doors and reasonable room for 4-5 people preferably.

Plan to use it as a little camping/expedition vehicle and something to use whenever I go out and need to bring people along.

Needs:
4 wheel drive
decent offroad aftermarket
preferably a good amount of power
hoping for semi-decent economy but not expecting it
solid reliability
4 doors
something in the sub-20-25k range used.

I've considered pic related (Frontier) because I think they look cool and know they're based on the same frame as the Titan. The VQ motors are a gud. Decent aftermarket. They don't have the Toyota tax but are just as good

Also obviously considering the 1st and 2nd generation Tacomas but the 1st gens were a bit small and the second gens had some issues. Still wouldn't mind one.

Not opposed to a mid-size SUV or even a full size truck if the case could be made. I do prefer the bed of a truck though. Motorcycles, hauling shit, and such.

What say you /o/?

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>>16835910
I like it

>>16835925
>>2335 kg / 5148 lbs
The website you linked shows curb weight as 4680 on the 92 C1500.

>>16835967
Sell bike
Buy Suburban

>>16836005
As cheap as Suburbans are he could afford to buy a clean one, a trailer, and three more bikes and stay under the $20k budget.

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>>16836003
And a 90 series kerbs at 4045lb.

>>16836015
but GM a shit?

>>16835852

>strongest IFS

It's not about strength, it's about the lack of articulation. Without the cantilevering effect, all of your articulation comes from the rear axle.

>no one talked about the transmission

Because no one wants to accept the tragedy that is the 4-speed GM auto

>14 bolt

Maybe if you opt for the biggest motor. Many of the small V8s do not come with the 14 bolt.

>LC price
Man you're saying I have to pay more for an objectively better vehicle?

>availability
Because people that own LCs keep them forever

>maintenance
I'll give you this one. But that's more to do with the GMT platform

>power/weight ratio

4LO means anything GOs

>>16836019
Prado is a baby Land Cruiser.

The 1997 US Land Cruiser is 4834lb.

What country are you in, shitposter?

>>16836005
>>16836015
I'd prefer not to have to deal with a big ass SUV and a trailer. I don't like the idea of hauling a trailer offroad either. I'd rather have a truck that I could throw the bikes in the back of and haul out inna woods then unload and have a fun weekend.

>>16836038
That is literally a 90 series Landcruiser... Unless there's some other 90 series I've never heard of (in which case source please)

>>16836046

Frontier or Tacoma. The Tacoma is a better truck (opinion) and has a better aftermarket, but a Frontier would be cheaper. Also if you want big ol' knobby tires, you need to find something that offers axle gear sets so you can regear.

>>16836066
What's the biggest tire you can reasonably fit on one of these ~250hp mid size trucks without needing a regear?

I think a couple inches of lift and a 33" tire would be plenty for what I plan on doing while still preserving some street manners and economy.

>>16836046
Just get one of those motorbike racks that slots into the hitch. No reason to avoid a Burb now.

>>16836027
>It's not about strength, it's about the lack of articulation.
The 100 series uses a similar design IFS that doesn't allow much travel either. Most of it's articulation comes from the rear axle as well.

>Because no one wants to accept the tragedy that is the 4-speed GM auto
The 4L80e in all 2500s and some 1500s is fantastic. It's only the 60e that's garbage after 150k and they're easily swapped to the 80e for a few hundred.

>Maybe if you opt for the biggest motor.
All F44 equipped 1500s got the 14 bolt regardless of motor. All diesel 1500s got the 14 bolt. All 2500s got the 14 bolt regardless of motor.

Also every option was a V8, so no need to specify V8.

>Man you're saying I have to pay more for an objectively better vehicle?
You have to pay a lot more for a vehicle that's slightly better in a few regards and slightly worse in a few others.

>Because people that own LCs keep them forever
Because GM sold a lot more Suburbans to the US in the 90s then Toyota did Land Cruisers. And even though they're pretty much the same on gas, the burbans carry more of a reputation for being bad on gas so gas prices scare people out of them.

>4LO means anything GOs
If only it were that easy. 4lo helps but it can't solve everything.

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u guys are lame, go out and drive offroad, break some shit

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>>16836093
>100 series
Different anon, but he said pre1997
You're moving the fucking goalposts

>>16836085

A lot of people say 33 inches is the sweet spot.

>>16836038
>>16836058
Slightly off topic but i didn't even know there were land cruisers other than the 60, 80, and 100+ series full sizes.

How are these baby land cruisers like the 120 series? Just looked into it and we got them as the GX470. Found some for pretty cheap. How are they offroad?

>>16836112
No, I clearly picked an arbitrary model year in order to make my figures look more favourable, you must have missed it. It's not my fault you saw through my cherry picking.

>>16836093

>100 series
Which is why I said pre-1997, the 90s series

>GM auto fantastic
They're all shoddy

>pay more for a vehicle that's slightly better
We're in an offroad thread, just by pairing a V8 with a SFA, the Land Cruiser is already way ahead

>4LO can't solve everything
Tell that to the guys that wheel 4 cylinder TJs

>>16836121
p.gud

Decent aftermarket too surprisingly. You can pick them up for about $10k.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/project-vehicles/129-0407-2004-lexus-gx470-customization/

>>16836058
I'm now going to admit that I goofed up, but once again ask what country you are in.

When I said lighter than a 90 series, I meant 80 series. Sorry for the confusion. Not sure if I missed the 8 key or just had a brain fart.

That said, the Prado is a small Land Cruiser. The US did not get a 90 series LC. We got the 4Runner instead of the 90. US got the J80 and J100.

>>16836121
They're good. More comparative to like halfway between a Cherokee or a Montero in size, and run a Tacoma/Surf based 8" drivetrain as opposed to the 9.5 full floater.

>>16836121

>offroad

As much as these purists hate it, a lot of the modern vehicles with 'intelligent' traction management and suspension settings are pretty good offroad. But they're difficult to modify.

>>16836130
90 series wasn't sold in the U.S.

Also it was IFS.

>>16836142

My bad, 80.

>>16836121
The 4th gen 4runner is also based on the 120 series chassis

>>16836112
This discussion is referencing the previous one about weight, in which a 98 LC and 98 burban were compared. This year was picked at random by someone that doesn't know anything about land cruisers. He is attempting to move the goalposts away as he has done multiple times.

>>16836130
>They're all shoddy
No, they're not. Just the 60e.

>Tell that to the guys that wheel 4 cylinder TJs
>roommate has a jeep
>jeep guys are always over at the house
>everyone hates the 4 cyl Jeeps

>>16836141
They're really not. They come with gimmicky features that help out guys that are completely clueless offroad. To anyone serious about it, the features really aren't any help. The toyota crawl control is a big one. You can do the same thing with light throttle and patience.

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>>16836181

It's more stuff like this. Can't do this with open diffs and no traction control.

>>16836198
The shittiest of factory lockers in the rear and a decent amount of suspension travel and you could traverse that with ease, as well as being less likely to roll over since the vehicle can divide it's weight rather than following the suspension of the heavy end. The only thing making it look difficult is the 3" of wheel travel.

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>>16836169
K well I'm just making sure everyone understands THE J80 IS THE LITERAL BEST THERE EVER WAS.

I HATE MOST TOYOTA FANBOYS BUT DAMN IF IT ISNT THE SEXIEST THING EVER

>>16836211
Damn right it is.

>>16836210

You can buy a Cayenne for less than $9000. What offers all of your stuff for that much?

>>16836211
I can definitely appreciate the aesthetics of the FJ80, but for me the small improvements in capability do not come close to justifying the cost difference. If I could pickup a clean one for $2k in good mechanical condition I probably would, but the cheapest I can get one is four times that.

>>16836228
I bought a barely running Suburban for $600 that could do that. It's really not the least bit impressive. The only reason it looks impressive is because the Cayenne is struggling. That doesn't speak well for the Cayenne.

>>16835689
The truck is going to be used off road for camping and shit. All I said was that the special snowflake tax sucked.

>>16836198
>traction control
How's that relevant here?

>>16836247
Don't get mad at people for making suggestions to avoid something you complain about.

>>16836121
decent for light trailing but they have some funky aspects that would require significant work to fix.

Aftermarket isn't really that big. Mostly you'd be trying to make parts for FJ cruisers and 4 runners fit.

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>>16836252
But I'm not mad.

>>16836245

how is it struggling?

>>16836265
>one tire 3ft in the air
>vehicle not far from rolling over
>is going to slam down when the weight shifts

>>16836273

that's a lot of assuming. it seems pretty sound

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>>16836273

these things are like mountain goats

>>16836291
>that's a lot of assuming
Not hard to figure approximate distance under the tire when you've got a tire right there to measure off of.
Easy to deduce where the right front tire is, and get pretty close with the COG.
Also weight shifting and freefalling is pretty simple stuff.

>it seems pretty sound
To someone that doesn't know anything about the activity in the picture, I'm sure it does. Go watch some Jeep rollover videos. Often a still shot two seconds before the rollover will look just as sound as that picture does.

>>16836311

Well whateverrrrrrr. You can watch videos all over. These and Range Rovers are crazy impressive with independent suspension and road tires, and regardless of all of your (i'm guessing) professional analysis, they're still competent.

>>16836319
>they're still competent.
Less so than the vehicles you're comparing them to. The stuff you're showing only looks impressive because the Cayenne is so bad at it. If this were a vehicle with more wheel travel, all four tires would be on the ground and it would no longer look impressive even though the vehicle is objectively better for it.

>>16836332

you don't need to have four wheels on the ground if you can direct all the torque to just one of them.

>>16836353
It's not just traction, it's stability and predictability.

>>16836353
one wheel won't have the same traction as four familia

>>16836368

no, it's traction

>>16836370

then you send the traction to three

lol you guys will just keep on going. i love the cayenne and the range rover. fuck anything with torsion bars.

>>16836384
>fuck anything with torsion bars
Actually, as a Ranger owner, I agree.

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any aus bros, this was from my most recent trip down to esperance

>tfw looking to buy suburban
>60e transmission is known for shittyness
>can only find 2000-2006 suburbans with like 160k-200k+ miles
I'm so paranoid about something going wrong with these high mileage wonder-trucks. What mileage do any of you 'burban boys have on yours and what tips do you have for buying one?

>>16833279
dirty turtle
wildcat adventures

Anybody here have any experience with Chevy trucks with the 6.5 diesel? I know it's an engine that requires a fair amount of modifications to be good, that's fine by me, but is the underlying truck pretty good? Everybody I know generally has a good opinion of an older full size Chevy truck, but i don't know how the chassis compares to say, the 1st/2nd gen Cummins or the 7.3 Powerstrokes.

>>16831345
redpill me on the Toyota Tundra. looking at getting a 1794 edition.

>>16832434
You aren't welcome here.

>>16836085

Honestly, just try running it stock for a bit, or stock sized A/T tires rather. A Pro-4X frontier or TRD-OR Tacoma is no slouch offroad in terms of traction or clearance (Tacoma is def higher than Frontier). I will say that the 2nd gen Frontiers are still pretty tight in the back seat for a grown man to sit in for any sort of extended period of time. Have never dealt with 1st gen Taco or Frontier Crewcabs, I'd imagine they'd only be tighter. 2nd gen Taco rear row is about as roomy as it gets for a midsize rear row of seats.

I'd be tempted in recommending that you take a look at used half-ton crew cabs, honestly any one of the domestics will match that VQ40 frontier for mpg, although admittedly none of them are as fun to drive as a smaller stick shift midsize truck.

If you're willing to look at a few older options, or slightly higher mile options here's a few options out of left field:

1st gen Tundra: assuming frame is not rotten, and avoid occasional trans issues on early year trucks, these are about the sweet middle ground between midsizers and huge modern half-tons. 4.7L 1UZ is a great motor. Not modern V8 powerful, but usefully more torquey than any V6, and reasonably fuel efficient if driven sanely. Great offroad chops in terms of clearance, there's some aftermarket support as well.

higher mile 2nd gen Tundra: drives and feels big, but a Doublecab (like a fat extended cab) would easily fit grown people in the back, they're built incredibly well in terms of reliability/durability. The issue as with all Toyotas is crazy resale. You can buy a 2 year old Ram with barely any miles for the same price as a 5-7 year old Tundra with 70k miles.

A newer used F150 (fine one with optional rear locker) could also be a good fit, again assuming that you're willing to go fullsize truck.

>>16838122
Yes he is. He has a full time locked vehicle

How do these look for a stock TJ? My wheels are 16x8

https://flint.craigslist.org/wto/6026491778.html

>>16838094
The GMT400 truck platform the 6.5 is used in is the best of the era. The 9th gen 80s/90s full size Fords come close, but working on them can be a pain as Ford didn't think to make everything quite as modular as GM did. The 12v Cummins was a great engine though a bit overrated and the 1st/2nd gen Rams it came in just fall apart around it.

The 6.5 isn't nearly as bad as many make it out to be. 92-93 were probably the best years for it since those were the only years to have the mechanical injection and turbo charged combo. The cooling system was insufficient for prolonged towing and the electronic control module for the electronic injection on 94+ models was mounted in a terrible location where engine heat killed it.

Cooling is easy to upgrade and the PMD is easy to relocate if equipped, just make sure to get a good quality replacement with a good warranty if it does go out. The cheap ones will fail even if relocated.

Better turbo and a better exhaust system are a lot more helpful for power than one would expect. HO water pump and Duramax clutch fan will take care of most cooling issues.

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why the fuck are there 2 /ORG/ breads now?

WHAT THE FUCK GUYS GET IT TOGETHER

>>16838429
lmao some yodafag got buttmad and started a yoda containment thread as a safe space from the GM master race

>>16838424
Yeah, i was aware of the PMD and cooling issues. I've heard things about a vacuum pump delete as well? Or is that just a bubba "muh mechanical truck" thing? What type of turbo would you recommend as a reasonable upgrade, like an HX35?

Wut car is gud????? Comfy under 3k 20mpg highway, at least some aftermarket available.

>>16838558
suburban

>>16838575
>20mpg

>>16838557
Vacuum pump controls the factory turbo and just adds an unnecessary and failure prone system. HX35W is a fantastic upgrade and negates the need for a vacuum pump.

>>16838575
>>16838595
Might be able to squeeze it out of a 350 but I wouldn't expect that much out of anything but the diesel

>>16838558
A 2g Explorer or S10 Blazer with the 4.3 might touch those numbers on the highway driven carefully and kept stock, and they meeting your budget requirements. My V6/auto/4wd 3rd gen 4Runner will get 20mpg commuting in the summer (mostly highway driving with some lights and traffic mixed in), that's a stock height truck with all seasons. With beefy A/Ts on and winter weather, I'd guesstimate it at closer to 17ish. That and a 3k 3rd gen 4Runner will need some work, and is somewhat less than "comfy" IMO in terms of ride and seating position. Maybe a ZJ/WJ Grand Cherokee with the 4.0L again driven with moderation could hit 20mpg highway, probably not mixed though.

>>16838661
WJ overland averaged about 13mpg in town and interior, electronics, and drivetrain were falling apart by 125k.

>>16838676
I had a couple of friends with fairly (very) neglected WJs make it past 200k on original drivetrains, the front end on the one with 250k was absolutely horrifying in terms of the slop in various bushings and balljoints and such. A coworker ran a 4.7 Wj to 170k or so, rear end was noisy (he never changed the fluid ever), heater core was leaking, but engine and trans still seemed in reasonable health.

>>16838384
He shits up every thread he visits.

>>16839557
Who would have thought Mr Cumeater would be a cocksucker?

Went to Hungry Valley OHV Park in SoCal

No mud, sadly

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>>16840764
Forgot a pic

>>16840764
>OHV
>not upgrading to DOHC master race
fucking kill yourself faggot

>>16840771
>>16840829
no but really. i'm glad you had fun

enjoy the sand and dirt jumping before the wet season (or whatever they call it in the desert) comes along and dirties up your firewall and gets you gremlins in your spark plugs

>>16835319
I'm going to go see the Lexus in two days. He lowered the price from $8300 to $7500 and the only spot of rust is 2 inches on the tailgate.

Might just leave it, desu since it's pretty darn expensive for a cruisy

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Pic related, 454 cubic inches of "Fuck Toyota"

>>16840859
It's actually 605ci, making 550 hp and 705 ft-lbs. Which doesn't sound impressive until you consider it's a long runner intake design with a flat torque curve. It's built for low end power.

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>>16840859
Sorry pal... there's no 454 under the hood of that birb...

Try 605.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/lingenfelter-gmc-suburban-archived-specialty-file

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>>16840839
We had about a month of storms, then 2 weeks of very hot weather. Now it will rain again this Monday and Tuesday

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>>16840957
Beat me by 15 seconds damnit

>>16840859
I know it's a 605 in the pic, it is still a 2500 suburban. I knew autists would point that out immediately

>>16840973
Nice! Go spin some tyres in the mud on monday unless you drive a Toyota Suburban

At least you got to play around in the dirt so you can do some land scoping before rushing into mud puddles. Remember to take before and after photos!

... all we have here is a shitload of salt. from the road and my body.

>>16838074
Not a huge fan of "parks", and wildcat is for ATVs only. Thanks for looking into it tho.

>>16840859
Post related, strangely insecure GM owner shitting up /ORG/ thread

Let's see that 'burb as configured go where a stock 4Runner can:
https://youtu.be/YYDkQuP3HAs

>>16841830
Where is this? If it's within a few hours of me I'll take my Suburban.

Ordered a 1990 4Runner bumper for my 85 Toyota pickup, gonna have to make custom brackets/mounts but I think it's gonna look good

>>16841869
From video description:"Off Bend 'n Hickory Road in North GA"

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ITT why redecks love their pos suburban garbage

>>16843406
Get lost Toyotafaggot. A Suburban with custom installed parts from a Ford and an aftermarket diesel swap and 41" military tires will crush your stock standard 4Runner.

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>>16843465
keked a little

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>>16840859
>ifs

>>16843465
I don't even get this desu. On every other board known to man its toyota vs. jeep. Here is the only place where GM is even considered.

Jesus /o/ is a fucking shitshow.

FORD EXPEDITION >>>>>>>>>> SHITURBAN

>>16843917
It's all the tripfag formerly known as "gmc burbalade", he and his autism are responsible for every post with chevy involved in any way, he's highly autistic, highly insecure and highly opinionated, basically ignore all GM posts

>>16843929
i agree. especially the 7.3. too bad they go for like $25k with 200k miles..

>>16843935
>ignore all gm posts
that's not what the last three /ORG/s did

>>16843943
practice makes perfect, let's work on it together

>>16843969
fuck off furfag.

>>16843981
sup faggotlade

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>>16843981
you say that like it's an insult to him

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>>16833234
I heard you talking shit, dawg

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tell me about mr cummy
why does he wear the mask

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>>16843465
enjoy your giant heap of shit
i'll keep my toyota
200k and not a single issue

>>16843935
>he and his autism are responsible for every post with chevy involved in any way
Burblade here. I'm responsible for all posts on all forums that have anything to do with GM.

So are cheap suburbans good for basic offroading and car camping or not? I'm buying something within the next few days and don't want memes.
No more fucking memes.

>>16844541
Fuck off retard.

>>16844541
Absolutely.

But because a Land Cruiser will get further on tight technical trails, you should pay $15k for one instead of $2k for a Suburban.

>>16844541
This is actually what it's good for, light off roading and applications where you need lots of space.

>>16843322
Eh, six hours one way. Wont be any time soon.

>>16843465
Who has an aftermarket diesel and 41" military tires?

>>16843929
The Expedition is shit. You're thinking of the Excursion.

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Started body work on the scout today. So much fucking rust

>>16844584
>He thinks land cruiser can't be found for less than 6k

Lol someone lives in a cuck state

>>16845853
even in commiefornia you can find an 80 for less than that if you look hard enough

>>16845837
Move to Southwest, 50 year old cars' metal is in pristine condition.

But bring your own rubber and plastic.

>>16845853
>>16845860
>if you shop around you can find a beat one with 320k miles for $5k
>meanwhile the same money will easily get you a clean fully loaded burban of the same year with 120k miles

You can not reliably find clean LCs with under 200k miles for under $8k anywhere in the US.

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>>16840771
Aww dude that looks fun. Is that the one like halfway up the Grapevine north of LA?

>>16840859
That's not very nice

>>16844300
Cuz ur a gei boi hah goteem

>>16845910
https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/cto/6022511488.html
https://palmsprings.craigslist.org/cto/6017761700.html
Really?

>>16846002
Fuck. So is that $8000 1991 LX worth the money, then?

>>16846030
Is this taynger? Cause 8000 CAD is like 6 something thousand USD

>>16846002
>densely populated southern CA surrounded by desert
>ideal conditions
>only found 2
>100 miles apart
Under the best possible circumstances you still can not find them reliably.

>>16846187
Get good

>>16846061
Ya bae. Who dis.

Also see: region specific.
Turns out he has standard lockers so I'm just gonna wait. Not in a rush to buy so currently scoping out land battleships and pre-built TJs on at least 33s.

>>16846310
Hey ! <3
uguuuu~

>>16846002
Piece of shit with tiny diffs.
Toyota should've put a rear diff out of a GM truck and a front diff out of a Ford truck under it. How can it run 41" military tires and retrofitted GM diesel engine?
Get a Suburban, literally better in every objective if you completely modify it over a 6 year period
>Toyota fangirls

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>>16844584
LMAO TBQCHWYF

Like every autist in this thread has tried to sink to your level to explain, that's not the only thing that makes it better.

The Toyota J80 Land cruiser was over engineered, on purpose, to fulfill its purpose, fucking land cruising. The suburban is literally named after its purpose, a "haul your bratz and the other local U10 soccer stars personnel vehicle".

Because GM doesn't always make total shit, it also happened to be quite capable offroad. That doesn't mean it can compete with the J80 however.
To be fair, same model time frame j80 vs 90s 400. Many anons have already mentioned the advantages, but I feel that because of how they are spread throughout the thread it doesn't have a very lasting impact.

Here are the advantages of the land cruiser:
>1. The engine, assuming the L05 v8 vs. the 1FZ-FE I6 (some other anon said v6, this is incorrect)
>2. The transmission. The 4L80e is not bad, like you mentioned, doesn't mean it can compare to the A400 series
>3. LMAO an independent FUCKING suspension
>4. No torsion bar
>5. Size, articulation, and just about any other offroading metric that matters.
>6. Interior design, exterior aesthetic, etc.

The advantages of the burb:
>1. Price. Well done burb, well done... HOWEVER, it isn't even as much as you claim.
https://www.carsforsale.com/vehicle/details/28944126
https://lafayette.craigslist.org/cto/6001654774.html
ETC
>2. Maintenance, maybe. I have found LC owners take better care of their shit, but that's anectdotal and doesn't matter.
>3. Insert some other relatively unimportant aspect here.

DESU The few metrics that the burb wins has little to do with offroading.
>>16835852
P/W ratio isn't quite true, and price isn't as high as you mention.

Besides, those aren't even good metrics unless you're a poor fag who lives in nowheresville.

The j80 land cruiser is simply better. You can scream about 3k more all you want, but you are wrong.
I will admit the burb being ~2k is attractive though.

>>16846466
Let's be honest though, can a Landcruiser even run 41" military tires after it's been modified over a six year period? And if we completely ignore the Burb is over half a metre longer and it's the same size as a Landcruiser LMAO! It's even the same weight if I choose the heaviest Landcruiser example and lightest Suburban example.
Toyota fangirls BTFO

>>16846466
I feel like this post actually doesn't mention general build quality. Having driven both a suburban and LC, I feel as if it can't be stated enough how good it feels driving an LC. I mean, it was originally a luxury offroader. The initial market price kinda reflects the difference. ~30k gap between the models, it almost feels unfair to compare them. But burbfags will be burbfags I guess.

Also, I know for tacomas and newer 4runners the aftermarket is much bigger, but IDK if that applies to a j80.

>>16846540
Shame you guys didn't get the stripped back standard model, with non turbo diesel, manual and 6.5" split rims. Might have broadened the pool of second hand variants on the market.

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>>16846466
>1. The engine, assuming the L05 v8
The L05 is a bit underpowered for the application but still slightly more powerful than the 1FZ-FE. However the 255 hp/330 ft-lb L31 and 290 hp/410 ft-lb L29 are great. All of them here are reliable so I'd give the Suburban the edge here since there's more options and quite a bit more power without really sacrificing reliability.

>2. The transmission. The 4L80e is not bad, like you mentioned, doesn't mean it can compare to the A400 series
I would word that the exact opposite. The A343F/A440F is not bad, like you mentioned, doesn't mean it can compare to the 4L80e.
The 4L80e is is rated to handle quite a bit more torque reliably.

>3. LMAO an independent FUCKING suspension
Which is shared with the 100 series that was originally being compared.

>6. Interior design
Sorry, but this looks like absolute shit, and as you go on to rag on the Suburban about, is not an offroading metric.

>>16846519
Proving OP true.
>Toyota fanboys lying about facts
Lightest Suburban is 4680, heaviest J100 is around 5400-5500. That's not what was compared, as it would be unfair due to drivetrain and age difference. I don't need to cherry pick.
The Suburban compared was a 98 4x4 1500 diesel (far from lightest) at 5297
The LC compared was 98 4x4 at 5225 and was literally the lightest J100 available in the US.

This comparison was done to refute the unsubstantiated claim (likely by you) that an LC is "2 tonnes" and a Suburban is "3 tonnes" Come to find out you were referring to a smaller LC similar to the 4Runner that's not even available in the US.

>>16846655
Just shut up, you fag. What the fuck are you going to get out of "winning" an online argument with someone that is literally trolling?

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my dudes this shit has to stop
i like both burbs and cruisers. this is getting annoying as fuck

>>16846678
mucho satsifacion

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>>16846655
>he keeps trying to compair the burb to the JC100
SON YOU MUST ACTUALLY BE AUTISTIC HOLY SHIT


I literally set it up as a comparison between the 80 because the 100 sucks compared to the 80.

LET ME REPEAT...I DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT THE ORIGINAL COMPARISON WAS.

I WAS MAKING A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE J80 AND THE 90S SUBURBAN. BUT HOLY SHIT YOU DIDNT EVEN GET THAT.


I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE PRADO, OR THE 100, OR THE 200 OR ANY OF THAT BULLSHIT. THE J80 IS THE UNCONTESTED WHOLESALE VICTOR AGAINST LITERALLY ANY UNMODIFIED BURB.

It feels weird getting triggered by a troll, but desu I'm starting to doubt you are actually trolling, instead I think you may genuinely believe a 90s GM shitheap can compare with a glorious luxury offroad Toyota master race.

Your posts literally read
>Sad!
>Wrong!

You could at least put some effort into your research or your counterpoints, but instead you keep coming back to the SAME SHIT.

>awful transmission can compare
>power is the only thing that can be considered in an engine. Part reliability can be thrown out the window for a negligible boost in power
>Thinks pic related is a good interior, and posts a pic of some riced out radio in the LC dash trying to say the rest of it wasn't ahead of its time.

Nice try, truly shitposting at its finest

>>16846655
J80 is 4600lb, 3/4 ton Suburban is 5700lb. Just sayan

>>16846877
W..who pissed in your cornflakes senpai?

True, the comparison is a little weak, but go watch some YouTube vids with the suburban, it's not bad desu.

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>>16843465
>>16846519

If you're going to poke fun at me, at least get your facts straight.
I'm on 37" military tires, it's been under four years since I started modifying anything worth mentioning, and the diesel I'm putting in it was a factory option.
Anything else on it you'd like to make fun of let me know so I can check the accuracy. Yes it did have an Escalade front clip for a while.

I don't remember directly comparing my Suburban to a Land Cruiser but I suppose I could probably crush one if I put the u joint in my front driveshaft. I'd feel more comfortable trying to crush two though for stability reasons as the burb is a bit top heavy.

>>16833754

Did you get cab lights for Ram yet?

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>>16847024
>implying weight/size is a good thing when it comes to offroading
It's like you're trying to trying to trigger me anon.

Tbh I'd feel fucking boss driving that shit though

>>16847024
You have modded it though, and to the faggot who keeps responding's credit, the discussion was about unmodified trucks.

>>16847024
See Toyota faggots? It only takes four years to completely customise the Suburban to be superior to a Landcruiser! Also, it's not even worth directly comparing a Landcruiser to a Suburban, except when noting that the outright strength of a Landcruiser's drivetrain is lesser of a heavier application 3/4 ton Burb, and then openly citing 1/2 ton Burb weights as a comparison. Toyota faggots, when will you learn?

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>>16847146
kek this guy is getting me

>>16847146

It's wonderful you think my Suburban is superior to a Land Cruiser in every way. Thanks!

Why do you guys keep talking about the Suburban anyway?
Why not the lighter and more practically sized Tahoe/Yukon?

>>16847146
Just an FYI, the diesel 1500 used in the comparison weighs more than a small block 2500 since it uses the 2500 drivetrain and frame with a heavier engine.

>>16847202
You might have added /s to the end of your reddit tier post before not actually refuting any if the points

So I go get a drink at a bar and another threab is kill because of overplaying Burbs and LCs.

>>16846030
If anyone wants to help me decide if 8k CAD is worth a decent shape Lexus LX Land Cruiser, that'd be real sweet.

>bls hold my hand
>i was gonna buy this but due to the last 3 /ORG/s, i am confused now
>should just get a Jeep TJ tbbbh famalamadingdongsheboogiedoogiewoogie
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/cambridge/1997-lexus-lx450-land-cruiser/1238906962?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

>>16847255
We can at least all agree jeeps that aren't xjs are shit. 8k CAD is a steal for the Lexus. If you want an objectively better vehicle without mods, go with the Lexus. If you want to spend 4 years and a bunch of money modding, but only spend 3-5k CAD upfront, get the burb.

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>>16847255
After this thread I'm going to go take a look at some GX470's for sure.

Pretty much a V8 luxury FJ cruiser that looks better and costs almost nothing? Sign me up!

I had no idea we got the LC Prado's in the US before this thread. I had either not known about the GX or just assumed it was a crossover before.

Even the aftermarket is decent. A decent lift with external reservoir shocks and coil spring rear conversion is pretty cheap. Seems like a pretty cool little vehicle.

>>16847255
I'd love to recommend it, but only you can inspect it and weigh up what it's going to cost upfront to provide the required "TLC". Once it's up to scratch they don't cost much to keep running. Just buy consumables like filters in bulk off eBay.

>>16847289
Yeah I think I'll give this to my mom after two or three years. So I guess the Lexus can work.

However, I don't think the TJs are shite... ): Northern Cuckada crawlers are always filled with TJ, YJ, and the occasional CJ-7 crawler sitting on 40+s. They're the cheapest and pretty reliable as long as they weren't used as plow heeps
>MUH AMC

>>16847331
What are normal TLC characteristics of these? I just hope it won't require an engine rebuild after like 5k.

Worth running a cleaner through it or opening up a head or two?

>>16847320
Do it, they are pretty neat little trucks once you get all the plastic out of the way and lift them up a little.

FJ and 4runner suspension bits bolt right up.

The 1uz is gud motor.

I see them for $8000-9000 all the time.

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>>16847209
You really can't see that it's just trolling by someone that's pissed off about the threads? Fucking no one likes suburbans, save for the one guy that has a modded one, and he's not that much of an ass about his. Then there's the guy with the cruiser that fell for the bait, all the while acting like a faggot with the swift posting retard causing more jimmy rustling, no one else is really that invested in the cruiser other than those being trolled. It's b level shitposting, and it's fucking working. Just shut the fuck up about it and it'll go away.
Pic very related

>>16847352
As with any 4x4 it could be anything from drivetrain backlash to chassis mount corrosion. Nothing necessarily specific to Landcruisers, but Landcruisers are immune either.
Anything like that is detectable in an inspection/test drive anyway.

>>16847320
Did they make the GX equivalent Land Cruiser in the US? I know they didn't here since we have to import all those LCs and aftermarket pricing for them are in the 15k + range. Stupid.
What are GX pricing wherever you are?

Also aftermarket is definitely decent. The whole ARB line in Oz revolves around tay yodas for the Oceanic, African, Asian, and some European markets. The downside is dealing with the corrosion that their steel suffers from - but that's anywhere that salts anything.

>>16847483
Hmm. So the general fix-em-up as they go kinda thing. It's automagic too so we'll see what he can do. Then I'll have to check brakes and all. Such is new vehicle life.
I'll take an inspection on the undercarriage and the motor, mounts, and heads as apparently BLG says they're prone to rust.

>>16847445
>guy with the cruiser that fell for the bait
i'm sure he just enjoys the human interaction desu senpai );
>the swift posting retard causing more jimmy rustling
the best part of post irony is getting your questions sincerely answered whilst acknowledging that jokes are made along the way.

You do raise a good theory on who these burb v. yota people are, though. And if you're right, I'm not sure I'd call it b-level trolling since a LOT of effort has been put up to keep these threads going.

Anyway, thread's about to archive soon anyway. Wonder what the new ones hold for us...