Is this the car that marked Volvo's surrender of their luxury

>Volvo
>luxury
>ever

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>>16779403
What is S90/V90?

>>16779403
Fuck off,

This thread already died yesterday and rightfully so.

>>16779403
Not really - the 200 series were not exactly luxury' and they were just a 100 series with a new front

The 700 Series was the 200 series with a facelift, the 900 was a 700 with a facelift

the 300 series was a DAF, the 400 was the 300 with a facelift

The Early Volvo's were nice - but never as plush as a Rolls or a American land yatch.

>>16779480
a premium FWD car
>>16779425
>>16779489
The 760/960/S90 were luxury cars, specially the Royal versions, and even more specially the Royal Level III Hermés
>>16779485
my question wasn't answered

>>16779495
According to your logic I guess an A6 is just a "premium FWD car" too instead of the mid-size luxury car it is.

>>16779489

Not quite.

the 700 series has a chopped back (side-by-side comparison shows that easily).

the 700 also has a bendix regina ignition system as an option

700 also has comfier seats and stuff

im thinking about getting a 2007 s60 AWD with a manual for about $6k, one owner, 110k miles. From what i've researched the 07 models are pretty fucking reliable. Redpill me

>>16779425
the 780 coupe cost 45K in the late 80s and had every electronic feature possible, beach burl wood accents and hand stitched Italian leather seats

>>16779910
>FWD-based AWD
I'd get a Mercedes S600 instead
https://westernmass.craigslist.org/cto/5961654057.html

>>16779935

how reliable are 22 year old mercedes v12s?

>>16779968
Ask a Benz forum I guess.
That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with them except for the wiring harness

>>16779403
>Is this the car that marked Volvo's surrender of their luxury aspirations to become just a premium brand like Audi?

>Premium brand
>Audi

Now this is shitposting inb4 muhh quattro, fuck off with your VW parts bin special

>>16779495
This. The -40 models were basic "car of the people" 4-bangers, while the -60 models were the luxury option, had 6 cylinder engines and all the extras possible. They're still pretty good for a car of the people and better than vws.

>>16780203
How is an overpriced VW parts bin special not a premium car? It's certainly not luxury...

>le audi isn't luxury maymay
you faggots need to fuck off back to plebbit with your dank maymays

>>16780228
WARNING BTFO FWD A4 OWNER

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>>16780228

>>16780258
ayy saved

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>>16780228
found the assmad audi fangirl

>>16782134
found the poorfag furrynigger who talks shit about cars he can't afford

>>16782196
can't afford to buy, or can't afford to maintain?

Anyone can get 8 yr financing these days so obtaining one of these POS's isn't that hard.. Now maintaining one after 2 weeks. That takes some cash

>>16782211
Can't afford to own, as a whole

What luxury aspirations? Volvo only ever had sturdy aspirations.

>>16782240
see >>16779495
>The 760/960/S90 were luxury cars, specially the Royal versions, and even more specially the Royal Level III Hermés

>>16782240
>What is the 960
>What is the V90
>What is the S60
m8 are you serious

>>16779403
That might have been the start of it, but they completely gave up on luxury when they stopped making 6 cylinder models to have only 4 (and 3!!!!) cylinder engines in their whole lineup

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>>16780228
>audi

>>16779898
7 series doesn't have a "chopped back" it's a different body entirely. However, drivetrain-wise, it's virtually the same as the 240's of the same era. Also the Regina ignition system wasn't really an option, moreso that Volvo got a bunch of them for cheap and used them alongside the Bosch LH2.4 systems to save a couple bucks.

>>16785784
Isn't the Regina ignition a piece of shit everyone complains about?

>>16782240
the new XC90s are really nice and can make a legit claim to being luxury, including glitched to fuck electronics

>>16786058
>4 cylinders
>FWD based
>luxury
They're premium at best, like Audi. You can't compare them to a X5 or a M klasse

>>16786108
T8 model has a pair of electric motors that power the rear wheels, making it just like the X5 xDrive40e. The next gen M class will probably be the same. Everyone is going to small-displacement twincharged 4cyl because of European regulations, with electric motors driving the rear wheels on the top models. In the next decade or so, everyone's going to go all-electric. ICE engines are on their way out for most applications.

Nobody in the luxobarge market gives a damn about cylinders or drivetrain layout anyway. It's all about interior design, comfort, electronic gizmos, and looking money.

>>16786203
>Everyone is going to small-displacement twincharged 4cyl because of European regulations, with electric motors driving the rear wheels on the top models.
maybe on econoboxes, I don't see MB or BMW quitting on large engines with at least 6 cyls any time soon, no matter the taxes. Taxes are a problem for those who can't afford them, not for the people buying top luxury. Same with Range Rover.

>>16786255
Taxes are a problem even for people who can afford them if they're kikes. The good thing is kikes don't usually buy Benzes. Too much association with the nazis.

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>>16786943

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>>16780228
>and then he said, get this, "audi is a luxury brand"
>he actually said it

>>16788217
but he didn't actually say it, he said "audi isn't luxury" is a meme

>tfw 960

why does literally everything cost $600 to repair.

>>16788986
Because you keep buying genuine Volvo instead of OE parts

>>16779871
>implying it isn't

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>>16779871
>FWD
>luxury

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>>16789050
>buying OE instead of aftermarket
lmao

>>16782220
>my car costs more than oil, gas, and tyres to own

>>16789331
Do you have a Renault Sandero?

>>16789383
Citroën Xsara Cuckasso
Literally only ever changed wear parts like brakes and belts
Even the clutch still works fine at 255k km of driving like a retarded african

>>16789402
Based France. I still don't know why there's this meme that French cars aren't reliable.

Audi is luxury by ameribetic standards though, remember that according to them more chrome equals more luxury

>>16786108
>4 cylinders twincharged and an electric motor producing 400HP and 472lb-ft together while still getting 50+ MPG city
>AWD
>luxury

Fixed it for you

Have you seen the new XC90 T8? Even just the power train is awesome, twincharged 4 cylinder with an elctric motor.
Since Volvo was sold by Ford to China and they can do what they want now their cars have really returned to actually being good cars.

>>16790058
>FWD-based AWD
FTFY

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>>16790086
>T8
>doesn't have 8 cylinders

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>>16790105
>luxury
>is actually fwd based

>>16779968
The Mercedes v12 was forced through production to compete with bmw. I would stay away

>>16791127
Nice meme

>>16779968
IDK, but I'll tell you that 70+ year old V12 benzos are still going strong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bq73voK5dA

>>16791127
cuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jll8fvhtE_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IIFxMIJFmI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvVPkTfTDZQ

>>16785996
Yeah parts are far less available and it's not possible to map for turbo without a ton of hassle etc

>>16790888
>T5 and T6 no longer designate turbo + cylinder count

THANKS GEELY

>>16791643
CÜCKED AGAIN
tbqh it's probably the revenge of the Swedish

>>16791643
THANKS OBAMA

>>16789510
Well, everything electrical fails every other day, so there's that.
Electronics are shit, but the moving parts work fine.

>>16793191
I almost meme'd my dad into buying a 2.1TD 605, but the mechanic scared him with horror stories about injectors worth 1k going to shit and then the replacements going to shit again.

>>16793252
>injectors worth 1k
For clarification, 1k each

>>16793255
>>16793252
Still cheaper than repairing a BMW

what a cancerous thread

fucking newfags

>>16793331
>calling other people newfags
spotted the nufag

>>16779403
It might not be luxury but it's certainly better looking than many luxury cars
hnnnnngggg

>>16786058
The electronics do need some work, I would also not own the car out of warranty. I had to replace a part of the computer controlling the car and it was 6k.

>>16794699
B is for Bullshit

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>>16793331
only newfags spend their time accusing others of newfaggotry

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>>16794907
This was the part, at the dealership the price was show it was around 6k, with labor and what not.

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>>16795899
>at the dealership

>>16796494
It's a brand new car, why wouldn't I take it there if it's under warranty?

>>16796539
So the dealership paid for the part because it was under warranty?
Once it expires you can get it serviced elsewhere for a fraction of the price.

>>16796561
Obviously I was just saying with the new volvos I wouldn't own it without a warranty, it's pretty much a giant computer.

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>>16796576
>it's pretty much a giant computer
a mainframe, so to speak?

>>16796941
We need him and the t-rex cop

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>>16796987
shittt I forgot about dino cop

>>16798543
Volvo was a generalist brand with luxury offerings, it was never a "luxury brand", don't kid yourself. Much like Mercedes-Benz.

>>16798543
Volvo was the car for the people, a reliable car that would be easy to fix by the average man if something did break.

Sorta the same idea as commie cars but without the poverty and cabbages.

>>16801354
>easy to fix by the average man
Kek, I have a 90s Volvo and only specialists are willing to touch it

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>>16779403
A volvo 850 was my first car, shared with my brother. For a 94 it was pretty good. Leather seats, auto off headlights, remote doors.

>>16802337
>fwd

>>16802337
did you have the FUCKHUEG radio with the CD changer in the trunk? it's pretty awesome

>>16802450
No, I was 16, it wasn't my car, and I didn't care about cars.

>>16802262
That's because most mechanics are glorified lube monkies. Up until fairly recently Volvos are easy as fuck to work on compared to many other cars, particularly eurowagens. Of course now they're total clusterfucks because Volvo have given up on being Volvo.

One of the cool things about the older ones is that every control in the car can be very easily operated while wearing thick winter gloves. That design philosophy has been flushed down the iShitter.

>>16803137
>One of the cool things about the older ones is that every control in the car can be very easily operated while wearing thick winter gloves. That design philosophy has been flushed down the iShitter.
I hadn't noticed it but it's true. Perhaps it's also the reason for the 850 having the window controls on the center console.

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this still going on?

>>16782245
i got this '86 760 turbo intercooler this weekend (bought it two months ago but it was in winter storage) although it's in need of some serious tlc it's still a luxxury car

my dd is a box standard 1.6 440 tho so i might be a bit biased

>>16803559
Sunroof in an '86 car, tell tale sign that it's upscale

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Got this baby for 9.5k, did I do good /o/? They go for as much as 12k here in my country

When they stopped selling rwd cars. Volvo s90/960 back in the late 90's was the last true volvos
t.Swede

>>16787065
back ta reddit the post mate. Get out of here with that trash

>>16805858
Spotted the nu male beta bitch manlet cuck

>>16805840
Wouldn't it be when they started selling FWD cars? Now that I think of it, the 850 I posted isn't even the true beginning of it, the 440/460 is. The 850 was worse because it was made to replace the 940/960 though. The first FWD is actually the 480 but it looks cool so it gets a pass :^)

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>>16805943
The 400 series were a mistake, just like the 300 series. They are all so ugly, the 480 is somehow kinda cool tho. They should have made the 480 rwd with more hp.

>>16805955
>The 400 series were a mistake
agreed
>just like the 300 series
those are cool in my book even if odd looking, but the 200 series is even odder
>They are all so ugly
I like how facelifted 400 series look
>the 480 is somehow kinda cool tho
agreed, makes me hard
>They should have made the 480 rwd with more hp.
couldn't agree more

>>16805955
>just like the 300 series
The 300 series is at least still RWD, though the drivetrains won't stand up to any hooning whatsoever.
Still, the FR transaxle layout is pretty neat, just like the early FR Porsches. Who knows, maybe it's possible to get an Audi transmission in there with a turbo inline 5 sourced from either Volvo or Audi to create some ungodly hoonmobile.

>>16805994
>The 300 series is at least still RWD, though the drivetrains won't stand up to any hooning whatsoever.
I didn't know about this
>Still, the FR transaxle layout is pretty neat, just like the early FR Porsches. Who knows, maybe it's possible to get an Audi transmission in there with a turbo inline 5 sourced from either Volvo or Audi to create some ungodly hoonmobile.
Go on please, 300 series are some of the cheapest cars available here. I don't see how an Audi transmission would fit a FR layout though.

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>>16805994
>>16806125
you can't just drop in an audi trans just because it's laid out similarly. might as well say gtr trans or corvette trans.
what you can do it drop in renault engines, as the 1.7 engine is a renault design with renault bellhousing.

>>16806147
Even then, how does an Audi transmission fit a FR scheme at all? Unless you're talking R8 I guess

>>16803559

>headlamp wipers
>not a luxury car

Goyims these das, wouldn't you agree, Anon?

>>16806160
The bigger Audis use a longitudinal engine, and the transmission in the 300 series (and Porsche transaxles) is in the back. Hell, the 924 even uses a 2WD Audi transmission.

Basically instead of a driveshaft going from the gearbox to the diff, you have a driveshaft from the engine going to the gearbox input.

>>16806173
nice, I didn't know that

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>>16786108
Idk about that m8. Maybe the last gen yeah, new ones are way nicer inside then the current X5.

>>16806213
They still don't provide you with the luxury of RWD

>>16806238
Its a 4500lb suv, who cares?

The V90 and S90, yes Id agree RWD is better.

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>>16806244
>Its a 4500lb suv, who cares?
If anything that makes the weight distribution more critical

>>16806238
Nothing about where in the car the power goes has anything to do with luxury.

>>16806404
LOL@U
You probably think luxury just means high quality appointments, kek. Top luxury cars (I'm not talking pleb stuff, I'm talking cars that are exotic tier) are all RWD or RWD-based.

>>16779489
WRONG!

The 700 was completely designed from the ground up. Nothing to do with the 200 except for engine and fuel/ignition systems.

The 900 was a back lift of the 700 for the sedan only.

200s weren't meant to be luxury, but you got much better features and furnishings than most cars. The 760 was meant as a luxury executive car.

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>>16779489
>400 was the 300 with a facelift
>a facelift involves going from FR to FF

>>16779403
>stole OP pic from Jans page
get fucked

>>16806792
What's Jans page? lol it's from Google

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>>16803708
all the glass is also a bit tinted and the windscreen has a very nice sunblock tin in the to part, everything is electricly operated and it the seats heat my ass in wintertimes. it also has enough chrome to rival an s class merc of that era. i'm not a big fan of chrome thoug, the bits on the side protection strips need to go and i'm in doubt about the chrome on the wheel arches. i'm going to drive a lot first, get used to it and fix existing problems or ones that pop up before i make any changes to the outside. i don't want to ruin it

>>16806171
i also have them on my 440 anon, first thing i installed after picking it up. but indeed people have no taste these days

>>16805955
>The 400 series were a mistake
though it's the most cheap old volvo you can get (340's are ugly won't drive/10) to this day i get comments from people about my nice fancy volvo. most people don't look beyond the badge i guess. i bought because i actually think it's a nice car and designed/build in the netherlands (i know it's half renault but fuck it) i'm never in a hurry so i can cruise comfortably to where i need to be, i can work on it myself and there are plenty of them on scrapyards because nobody want's them so parts are cheap

>>16808422
Funny, the 760s I've seen here don't have as much chrome. Must be a US market thing.

>>16808422
>designed/build in the netherlands
I guess that explains the breakup with the Volvo ethos. Buying DAF was a mistake.

>>16808803
where is 'here' anon? the NL on the plates is for Nederland as in Dutch.

the car is build in Belgium and i got it from Germany, where it was first registerd, it's a Euro spec car. but ikd, it even has a pinstripe on the side (wich must also go) i did a basic vin check and it came back with body style sedan/limousine, but it's not stretched or has a separation inside. i have papers from '98 so we will never know what the original buyer was thinking when he walked in to the volvo dealership in '86

>>16809025
Uruguay

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>>16808422
Since when is the S class considered to have a lot of chrome? is this a new meme?

>>16809106
chrome on the bumpers, on the side strips, on the windows (wich i do like on both cars) on the licenseplate light, on the doorhandles... one of my friends drives an s class with chrome on the wheel arches

but not a meme, just my hatred for chrome on some cars authisme triggering. imho it's more garish and flashy then luxury on squarish/brick shaped cars. just ignor me on that one aon, i like volvo's more then merecedes but i would drive the car in your pic everey day with joy if it was mine

>>16809305
Side strips and wheel arches are where I draw the line. Too much for my taste.

>>16805045
>S40
you dun goof'd anon
should have found a S70 for a similar price

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>>16809922
JUST
I had seen this one published at over 10k like 2 months ago, wtf
brb gonna grab the 12 gauge

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>>16810168
>he paid almost double for a worse car

>>16810168
>brb gonna grab the 12 gauge
good decision, I'd do the same
rest in pieces anon

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>>16779403
can't we say the same thing about Mercedes?

>>16779403
All Volvos were nice before Ford bought em, after they they were just plushy Fords.

Wasn't until Geely grabbed hold of them that they decided to be unique again.

I drive a 2005 S40 btw

>>16812212
>after they they were just plushy Fords.
Didn't they still have unique platforms?

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>>16812194
I'm okay with this.

>>16812939
They did, atleast the S60/V70

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>>16782240
>What luxury aspirations? Volvo only ever had sturdy aspirations.
Best post right here

>>16813178
lol the Volvo is like "I had nothing to do with that Benz getting rekt, I don't know what you're talking about"

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>>16813464

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>>16813595
>Crashing this plane... With no survivors!

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>>16813607
This post made my day, thanks m8
Have a bane porsche for your services

>>16813620
Kek, I had that one already saved for /o/-related baneposting.

>>16813631
I probably saved it from a post made by you then kek

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>>16813729
Ayy

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""""luxury"""

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>>16813753
Pic related looks pretty luxurious to me

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>>16813738
saved

Fwd a shit

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>>16814027
Oh yeah?

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>>16814061
>rwd
>cucks
>posts malaise alfa
shoo shoo

Make
Alfa
Great
Again

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>>16812194
What did they mean by this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Navigationsgerat-Comand-APS-DVD-ME7590-Mercedes-SL-231-A2319009005-/282380351840?hash=item41bf2e3960:g:re0AAOSwhlZYt9jr

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>>16814514
>Crashing this bimmer... WITH NO SURVIVORS!

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>>16814514
>>16814553
Please go banepost in your own thread
>>16814061
>>16814085
Same to you alfistas

Any issues with 2000's volvos? after the 04 facelift

>>16813788

Looks like some American shitbox from the same era.

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>>16816093
idk, doesn't look much worse than a S class imo

>>16815010
What facelift? What model?

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>>16807507
>lol what's Jans page?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Wilsgaard
please KYS

>>16816200
this, asap

>>16814943
don't tell me what to do

>>16816093
American shitboxes from that era must look really good I guess then

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>>16816172
>>16818168

Literal Ford shitbox has more plush seats.

>>16818295
loose leatherette≠more plush

>>16818537
t. never sat in a Crown Vic

>>16818552
t. never sat in a S-klasse

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>>16818295
>what is lumbar support?
BTFO by scheisse class

>>16818866

Its not a sports car, you aren`t supposed to get high cornering G`s

>>16818913
>ameribetic education
lumbar support has nothing to do with cornering, that's lateral support

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>>16819448
>ameribetic
spotted the bootlicking yurocuck
we're free to be healthy and /fit/ or diabetic hamplanets in this country, and that's beautiful
meanwhile your only options are being a lanklet or a manlet

>>16821266
Fat people should be summarily executed.

>>16818913
T. Fat American needs 3gs of lateral pressure before shifted sideways in seat

>>16822073
>>16822102
Stay mad
btw I'm a /fit/izen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DtuvfvMaWQ

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>>16822772
>amerilards doing mental gymnastics to compensate for their inability to do actual physical exercise

>>16806160
The 300 series uses a transaxle in the rear

>>16824089
>a transaxle in the rear
That's the most retarded thing I've heard in years of being here

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>>16825827
Transmission/diff is one unit and it's in the rear, what exactly is retarded about his statement?
(944 drivetrain pictured because it uses the same layout)

>>16825848
Damn. I take that back.

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>>16813178
>>16813595
>Fiat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yeCG6SS5wI

>>16813178
>>16825920
The internal parts are likely shattered though

There are rumors that Volvo got shat on a lot behind industry doors because they refused to make their cars softer and just used other cars as main crumple zones.

They finally caved in though in the late 90's

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>>16827717
>rumors
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0UqOHZAPHo
>where we're going we don't need crumple zones for babbies
also they didn't cave, they got FORDed and used inferior materials

>>16827717
>They finally caved in though in the late 90's
you might want to look at the pics posted above ITT

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>>16806171
This has headlamp wipers as well.

>>16829577
When and where it was built, only the top 1% coulld own it, so it's a luxury car.

>>16829593
Those were the GAZ Chaika and the ZIL.

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I dont even look at a car without 12 cilliders.

>>16827717
You do know that the 200 series had an extra foot of front just for making a crumple zone eh?

This is the longest surviving thread I have seen on /o/, impressive.

Who knew this would cause such anal seepage and rage

>>16831865
>implying it isn't the autistic OP self bumping the thread

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Had fun with this bitch last noght. Took farm roads to see how easy otd be to get stuck. She powered through tho

>>16833188
old volvos are awesome offroad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF5WwgFsGM0

>>16806425
>>16806374
>>16806244
>All these FWD apologists in this thread.
If Volvo put out JUST ONE RWD vehicle with a proper engine(5c,6c, or 8c) ,their sales would skyrocket.Thats been the missing key all along. Geely could even have the 4c as base models and have the bigger engines as higher trims.
Non-Meme-Brand+Durability+Safety+Peformance=$$$$$$
Why is this so hard? With the price range no one really is autistic over muh mpg.

>>16833811
>With the price range no one really is autistic over muh mpg
maybe not over muh mpg but yes over muh km/100L
in Germoney for example if you buy a brand new car people assume it's a diesel, even for top of the line full size sedans like the S class or the 7 series
I agree with you that it would sell like hotcakes though.
Also how am I a FWD apologist? (>>16806425 and >>16806374)

>>16833811
Volvo's demographic doesn't give a shit about that, and sales are skyrocketing. The new XC60 will probably wind up with $5K+ dealer markups when it drops.

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>>16835780
>Volvo's demographic doesn't give a shit about that
Wrong.

>>16836219

Volvo's demographic is literally soccer moms.

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>>16837612
>Volvo's demographic is literally soccer moms.
Wrong

>>16838249
>le ebic hipster maymay xD

>>16835780
>sales are skyrocketing
[citation needed]

No, the 850 when it moved to FWD

and the epic fail of those awful Bertone cars

>>16840591
>No, the 850 when it moved to FWD
The 850 was always FWD, you are saying the OP is wrong while providing the proof that it's right
>and the epic fail of those awful Bertone cars
you take that back

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>>16840866
>you take that back
Might as well say
>APOLOGIZE

>>16840389
http://www.carscoops.com/2016/10/volvo-enjoys-impressive-bump-in.html

The crazy thing is the XC60 sales volume going up, as the current one is close to being a 10 year old design.

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>>16780228
look at this assmad Audio fangirl lmao

>>16843273
>Audio

kek'd at that pic and saved it tho

>>16780203
Get back on your bus vag hater. You probably get zero vag with your gt86 or whatever bus you ride.

>>16782196
Good shit fuck that guy>>16779403
>>>16806147
>Even then, how does an Audi transmission fit a FR scheme at all? Unless you're talking R8 I guess
You're a super cuck r8 is a mid engined super car I bet you've never seen one let alone driven one. I think the old gen was a bit harsh but Audi is life

>>16809025
The side strips are original, Volvo dealerships sold them. My father had some slight silver lining below the trim on the doors of his 2004 V70.

>>16839668
>he doesn't know what or where IPD is

>>16844542
>IPD
You mean the Volvo Parts supplier?
Screw them, FCP Euro masterrace. More OE parts at better prices.

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>>16839668
>>16845011
>the triggered hipster is a self-admitted volvo owner
>he is also a hipster when it comes to buying parts and buys in a special snowflake store where nobody else who owns a volvo does
>mfw
Can't make this shit up rotflmao best thread

>>16843611
i hitch my gt86 to a bus now what bitch

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>>16845076
>paying extra for no good reason and getting kits assembled by the seller instead of the manufacturer
good goy

>>16779403
Volvo was never good

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>>16846780
>Volvo was never good

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>>16846780
>t. butthurt bmw fangirl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA88iWj2lLk